The Acolyte: Qimir is Darth Plagueis and Vernestra is Lumiya!
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Jonathan breaks down the evidence that Darth Plagueis has made his 1st physical appearance in the Star Wars Universe and that a famous Legends character, Lumiya, could now be officially canon.
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Note: Tenebrous is now canon 😳 He does not have a back story and his bio on Wookiepedia is only 3-4 sentences, but he is canon now.
Feels more like trying to fish in dead pond.
It's comical that fools are still trying to spin this turd into a gem. In NO WAY will there be an amazing pay off. Even if for some unholy reason they do( there wont be), it cannot make up for all we have seen.
My wife, a mild Star Wars fan at best) could not make it through the first episode. She said " this just sucks as a show."
We completely agree with you we have only enjoyed the last three episodes overall the show has been a disaster from a writing perspective
@@40kedge Just because your wife didn't like it doesn't mean others don't. I like it and I am not a SW nerd.
@@elixxur Uh... others don't. LOL. Like a lot of others.
Fortunately, we can all like and dislike the show. It's okay to have differing opinions.
We are actually in the process of uploading a short explaining our main issue with the series. And it's not even directly a character or plot
Dude what a great theory! Very insightful!
I think we are fishing for answers and just coming very short on legends characters being cannon now. Darth Plaegus being in the show is so out there that we would be extremely disappointed if this doesn't happen. If the dark lord of the sith is tenebrus then this would make perfect sense.
The reason we believe that Plagueis is more likely than Tenebrous is simply just because of the timeline. Palpatine will be born in 47 years and we know that Plagueis dies at nearly 120 years old. So based on the timeline we really need it to be Plagueis or they are just going to need to expand his lifespan significantly. Tenebrous being this young at this point seems more of a problem than a solution. But, you very well may be right. These are all simply theories and we really won't know anything until tonight
Ah yes did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth plagues the WISE. A sith so power he couldn’t stop himself from getting carried off by giant Beatles and becoming a thirst trap for lonely women. Poor Star Wars.😭😭😭
DED 🤣🤣🤣
I would never think it’s the emperors hand with the whip she was legends from the Skywalker timeline I wouldn’t have even thought of this theory
The only reason we threw it out there was because of the whip and Lumiya technically isn't canon...so we'll see lol
Bro that would be wild!
It would, and we think it has a fairly high chance of happening. But once again, we never depend on Disney for anything other than screwing everything up 😂
Bro, they would be do dumb.
@@matthewdane1875 but that's Disney lol
I hope they aren't trying to make Vernestra into Lumiya. In the Legends Books, Lumiya was one of the Emperor's Hand assassins like Mara Jade but she was secretly being trained by Vader to be his "Shadow Hand" assassin and becomes a key antagonist to Luke Skywalker and the Republic after the fall of the Galactic Empire.
Turning her into a surprise Sith villain during a time period where the Jedi aren't supposed to know the Sith still exist is a waste of her character/legacy. It'll be even worse if it turns out the Jedi had a Sith on the council during this time and not one of them knew about it or remembers it 75 years later.
I Think Qimir = Imri Cantaros, whose master was Vernestra Rwoh. Imri had used the dark side of the force while around Vernestra before he was assumed deceased during the destruction of the Starlight Beacon.
Interesting. Definitely a good theory here
Watch final of THE ACOLYTE.
This aged well lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That's the thing about theories lol. We did a follow-up that went out this morning!
Ive been telling ppl for Qinir is Plagueis, they showed him sleeping was the big hint. But ive no idea how venestra being a sith lord 😊
Us too lol.
Regarding Venestra, she looks just like Lumiya if you hooded her. And she uses a lightsaber whip. Lumiya was a legends character and Leslye Headland seems inclined to use legends content
I think his master is plagus
It's going to be interesting to see if Vernestra is the true master or if there's another master...
I'm thinking it's Darth Tenebrous (Plagueis own master) in star wars cannon Tenebrous broke the rule of 2 he was training another possible apprentice...he is known as Darth Venamis.
Darth Tenabrous is canon 100 💯
I'm personally finding it hard to believe that Qimir is Darth Plagueis based on the context the show has given us, Qimir isn't very secretive like a sith at this time, and in ep 6 he said he was thrown away both by the jedi and sith, so I believe he could be the first knight of ren, but I do like this theory of Vernestra Rwoh being Lumiya, and I am inclined to believe Qimir was an apprentice to Vernestra Rwoh
Plagues also is another species
We explain that in the video
I think I’ve decided that Venestra is Qimir’s former Jedi master, but is not a Sith. She’s just a corrupt Jefi. I don’t think a Sith would be able to actually infiltrate the Jedi order to that degree. We have never seen a Jedi go Sith, but remain in the order undetected. I am pretty sure their lightsaber would turn red. I suspect that Plageus will be the Sith lord, even though the timeline doesn’t make sense, because they want to tie it in with the prequels.
Bro IDK, its interesting thoery. But its weird...if they do this I would cry bc I love Darth Plagueis and his story.....
In the end, you deserve subscribe :)
We appreciate that, brother!
It's possibly that Qimir becomes Tenebrous but that wouldn't allow Plagueis to be old enough.
Disney might take it a completely different direction...
Plagueis is going to be David Harewoods “ small role “ at the end.
It sure is looking that way
Cool idea, but I see no evidence supporting this. It’s well known what Plagueis looked like. Plus Luminya wasn’t born until after Sidious became Emperor.
By and large, yes, you're correct. But his ability to possess other bodies has to be considered. Unless other sith were able to do this, this is a trait Plagueis possessed
aged like milk
That's how theories work, bro. They're either right or they aren't. We're making a follow up video on this.
Our theory on Vernestra is close - she's evil. We actually think Plagueis hasn't even met Qimir yet
Eh, Plagueis couldn't do the transfer until near the time of his death around 20 years or so
we'll see how Disney handles it
I dont think Vernestra is going to be the sith lord, I do think she was Qimir's Jedi Master I think that much is apparent with the scars. It is strange for a Jedi to use a whip though, I would think this would be very looked down upon. A whip is designed to inflict pain, and its deceptive, both things that dont really follow Jedi code, you can argue a whip can be used for other things like indiana jones style but not so much with a lightsaber whip :) It is purple though, so we know she at least straddles the dark side at times, perhaps when she fights such as Mace. I think its possible your theory about Qimir being plagues, he did have body transference abilities and that is were palpatine learned it from. In the Dark Empire graphic novel in legends palpatine manages to get into a clone of his, luke confronts him and gets totally dominated and Leia has to come save him. So that idea is possible, it is strange how he says it was a really long time ago. I hope it ends up being Qimir is just a disgruntled dude who doesnt like the Jedi or Sith and wants his own way and path and that includes a disciple and partner. I get the idea Qimir wants something more, and he doesnt care for the Jedi's lack of caring for each other, because of their lack of attachment the Jedi never love or give themselvs to a another person completely. I dont think he likes the sith because they also have little attachment for each other, and the sith relationship always ends the same way. In essence Qimir is more balanced than either the Jedi or the Sith the way he comes across, he certainly has no attachments to his enemy's and wont play by Jedi rules, and is totally fine with letting his emotions give him power in the force, but he also has abit of softness and compassion to him and he was able to heal Mae( a power we have only ever seen from Rey and Kylo so far). He is a very interesting character and the one real brightspot to this crappy show.
I think Qmir is Darth Plageuis. Disney can change his canon species to human.
Okay... but does Qimir being possessed by Plagueis make him Plageuis?
I can actually buy that explanation at least.
That's what we don't know per se. Since Plagueis could possess bodies, we get the idea that he takes their life force - hence his ability to continue to live.
You ask a good question. The timeline is why we don't think he's Tenebrous. If this was 50 years earlier it'd be likely
@coruscantcourier I think I am falling on the side of it's the First Knight of Ren. The Kylo Ren theme playing 3x already in the series. But this is the first argument for Plagueis that has made sense and at least even address he is a Muun. So kudos there. You earned a follow.
Super appreciate that 🙏
Regarding the Knights of Ren theory, we actually think it's unlikely a Knights of Ren origin. Rather, we believe it's a hint at force healing. Qimir heals Osha is what we think they're suggesting, just as Kylo healed Rey.
It COULD be Knights of Ren, don't get us wrong, but they had so little screen time and the sequels were so poorly received that it doesn't make complete sense it would be them. But we're eager to find out! You might be right
biggest evidence is his look, he looks EXACTLY like plagueis!
We explain in our video Plagueis' ability to possess other bodies. We believe that's the case here due to some thinks Qimir has said
@@coruscantcourierhe could not cheat death. Old palps already said he could create life and save the ones he loved from dying but he could not save himself…
Your comment is out of context in a way. He saved himself from dying in the sense that he had the ability. He ultimately did not save himself due to his trust of Palpatine. The eternal struggle of the Sith
I don't know.... Mog's head shape looks kinda familiar... 😉
WHAAAAT???????
This aged well…. Literally any fan watching the series could tell plagius was not quimr
We already did a follow-up video to this. The fact is that Plagueis has the ability to move his Spirit into other bodies. It was just a theory as we had no idea what Disney was going to do. Clearly that's not the case and we are working on who Qimir really is - it will be a short that comes out today.
There was actually alot of nerd Star Wars fans like us that thought he could've been Plagueis.
They all gonna Dye, the secret student of girls mother ( The Sith) is Sol he's gone 2
The most characters that will stay are these tweens girls
But changing their characters Osho will be stronger with the dark side
Agreed. All of them dying is what makes the most sense. But does Disney have the balls to do it...
If this is the case, then it demonstrates that Disney is a worse writer than I am, and I just do fan fiction. You see: I write *original* stories that at worst hint at things that are established. I don't just up and steal characters from here and there without respect to them.
The series concept had a lot of promise and to create something original. Now: that promise has been squandered - the series is really, really bad. The only thing I can say to its credit so far is that it does seem to be original ... for the most part. If Qimir is actually Darth Plagueis ... if Vernestra is Lumiya ... then Disney is just stealing bits and pieces from much better writers then themselves to cobble together something far more amateur than the RP sessions I run.
The difference between us: Disney writers get paid to churn out crap, while I try to create and encourage good stories for free.
We agree with you lol
I’m not going to lie tho that lightsaber would’ve cut him in half even tho it’s a whip it’s still a lightsaber😂but he could’ve gotten it by force lightning by Tenebrous
Her whip would have sliced him in half dude.
Perhaps...
I think he's Darth Vindictus
That would be SICK...but that'll take a lot of explaining 🤣
No.
Once your essence leaves your body to possess another body your current is dissolved by the Force as the vessel no longer has one. Your argument is moot. Disney killed Star Wars brother. Absolutely murdered it.
Oh we agree that Disney killed Star Wars lol. No argument there.
We'll see if and how Disney deals with going from body to body. We haven't a clue where they're going
Could qimir be the in famous starkiller and to make him cannon he is the first of many alchemist/ micilodirion manipulation to produce force sensitive beings similar to the sisters - by the one the only Darth plaguis - both making plaguis and starkiller or the legend of starkiller ( similar to Anakin but different ) - by the time sidious has Vader under his control as you see in the game he has tons of clones of star killer this would be awesome ! And in my opinion, makes this show OK because it was getting bad. The first few episodes and it got better after five my opinion. Love ur theory I have the book of the sith -actually I was about to start reading it. I just got up to the first chapter. It’s really interesting. Guess which Sith they talk about first in first person Sorzus syn grower of living weapons and biological plates. Wonder which Sith, Lord or Sith Lords find this stuff interesting lol
Writing Starkiller in would go CRAZY. Fans have been asking for it for ages
I wonder does Headland want them pitchforks she should leave Plagueis and Tenebrous out of this show.
I can respect you on the fact that you are trying to make unities, creative imaginative theories, which is fine nothing wrong with that. But I’m gonna have to strongly solidly disagree with your theory. Seems too unlikely and just not even a close of the possibility within the canon
There really is no established Canon on this. Disney can essentially do whatever they want
That may be true but, the way they’re going in their direction, seems like they can make whatever they want; but to destroy the lore itself. We only have to see and wait how they’re going to pull it off. If they can.
This Ain't Star Wars it's Disney Woke Wars Changing & Messing Everything Up Again Retcon Everything George Lucas Created To Fit Their Own Canon Star Wars Ended With ROTJ & Heir To The Empire Is The True Sequel Timeline Possibly The First Two Seasons Of The Mandalorian . The Sith Were Thought Extinct For A Millennia They Certainly Weren't Active 70 Years Before The Phantom Menace Or Yoda Would Have Been More Alert About The Clones & The Whole War This Is Disney Destroying Star Wars Even More Than They Have Already. I Will Stick With The Expanded Universe Timeline & Fan- Fiction
Thank God I'm not the only one that sees legacy as the real story. I for one was unbelievably sad after Force Awakens came out because Jaina Solo who in my mind I watched be born, kidnapped escaped/rescued, indoctrinated through pheromone mind alterations and beat it (with help), and yet grow up to become a Jedi Master after having to kill her brother because a Sith Lady ended up catching his ear while he was in the mist of finding himself on a Force journey through the different traditions of the galaxy and lost his way. Disney killed her none of that happened. They killed everything about Star Wars for me.
I wish people would actually look up what "whip scars" look like before continuing that theory... those are not whip scars, guys.
I mean most people think it looks like a whip lol. And the way Vernestra reacted to the news makes us believe it's her and she's involved. And she happened to pull out a whip.
Sure, Disney's writing is awful and in most circumstances we'd agree with you. But it's Disney and they've made this series INCREDIBLY predictable.
@@coruscantcourier I really, really hope they are not whip scars, just because they are not accurate, but we will see. Leslye has been upfront about telegraphing things like that.
I disagree about Disney’s writing, since Disney is not the one writing any of these scripts and taking all of the writers as a collective like that is saying that Andor and Mando are also poorly written. I have loved the twists and turns of this series so far, though I had several issues with ep3 until we saw the wider viewpoint of ep7.
Plagueis was no Jedi but the lady with the whip was probably Qimirs ex master at some point or at least fought lol
Well this theory went out the window... Nice try though
We're currently working on a follow up video to this.
I called that about the green head lady the min that show aired.
Lumiya is human in canon. Maybe that explains the really really poor green makeup that totally reveals the normal human color around her eyes.
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Bros onto nothing 🔥🔥🙏🏼
Never know 🫠
@@coruscantcourier vernestra is not a sith at all. She was around during the high republic books, she was a hero who saved thousands and dedicated herself to the Jedi. Aside from her terrible representation in this shit show, that is her character. And Qimir can’t be Plagueis. Unless they race swap, which would make this show even more shit, and someone messed him up.
🤣🤣😂😂 what thaaaaa
Knowing Disney, they will surely invent some nonsense that breaks the canon, but nice theory.
we hope not lol
They need to wrap it up because my info says it has NOT been renued.
There are no credible reports as of yet suggesting the show is going to be canceled. We'll have to wait
They DID NOT MESS IT UP. They want to Destroy Star Wars, and this goal is a TOTAL SUCCESS. A++
They have a purposeful destruction job to do, and I give them A++. If I want to demolish my house, I will call Disney right away.
At this point, it almost feels that way
Completely idiotic. Really??
This video was made almost 2 weeks ago. We've already done a follow-up video.
Please don't bring toxicity into our comment section. We welcome opinions, especially those that are different from our own, but please be respectful.
💩 show, dumpster fire anymore. Hey anyone remember when Star Wars was AWESOME? SMH
We need Gareth Edwards back to direct everything
THAT is the world I’d like to live in 🙌🏻
If they keep rewriting canon all we are left with is pronouns , lesbians and lazy dialogue, I’m truely glad your so excited , but I started loosing hope when they made Luke Skywalker ( my child hood hero) a bum! I went to the midnight screening for Force awakens . By the time episode 9 was released I stopped caring . Let me say it again Pronouns
What they did to Luke is unforgivable
Star wars is now woke crap.