One minor correction, a 3B is not a standard #3, a standard #3 plays an A#. Otherwise great information and great clips of the horn in action, thank you for posting this!
Actually, its a major correction! My description of the nos 3 & 5 bells is bit unclear. Both those bells have been modified. Of the five bells the only one that is unmodified is the KSP3, which is jut a standard no.2 bell. I have no idea why it is given the "KSP3" designation when it has no actually been modified.
Indeed they do! I get to hear them every single day and they sound amazing! (Also this video was made back in 2016. CTrail started service in June 2018 and 6695 showed off its K5UL in July 2018)
The CT rail Hartford Line EMD GP40-3H Engines use these horns in North America because the Engines used there needed a ultra low Manifold for the Tunnels on the Springfield Corridor
Up until the 80's I don't think any locos were fitted with bells, and from then on I think they were only optional until sometime in the last couple decades. We use them here for low speed same as the US but not very often since I don't think there's any rules that say they must be used. I've been told that some older drivers see it as an Americanization thing but I'm not 100% sure on that
DounutCereal Bells first became required on all steam engines in Massachusetts where I live in the 1800’s because people didn’t always pay attention to approaching trains at crossings and stations. The bell became an additional tool to the whistle to help get more people’s attention. Then, diesels and electrics came about and horns replaced whistles, but steel, bronze and brass bells all remained. Now it’s air horns but with ebells. :)
because I see lots of questions and a bit of misconceptions about all this stuff I'm just gonna put this up here. we have bells in AU on a good amount of locos classes but we don't use them very much because they aren't required in most states. we have a LOAD of US equipment because they sell it here, we don't have a horn code and if you can believe it shave and a haircut isn't limited to america.
Bruce thanks for the sharing and an enlightening video indeed especially when hear the same horn on different loco's all sound the same???? For the enthusiast and modeller having the right sounds are important but how often do we actually get the right sounds, and going back to the early NSW diesels that had Nathan 5 chimes each were very much different in sounds. What type was on the 40cl, and the one now fitted on preserved 4001 is very much Off, some have said its got a dud chime/trumpet, but being Canadian rather than from the U,S did the Canadians have this unique sounding air horn or was it specific to NSW? The 42, 43 and Mk1 44clas loco's also are said to have Nathan 5 chimes, but each were distinctly different. Certainly each were much sweeter and softer than what we hear these days. Likewise there are some very harsh sounding air horns I hear on trains passing by here on the Central Coast, the line is some 3 K's as the crow flies from my home and its a literal challenge in hearing wha'ts what. But, what types were found on those early diesels?
The 40 class were fitted with Airchime M5 horns. Both 4001 and 4201 currently have M5 horns fitted, and both have a couple partially blocked bells.The 42 and 43 class had first generation Nathan P5s. Here is a useful website: atsf.railfan.net/airhorns/
Thanks Bruce. I have that website marked as well as another couple, have yet to actually find a recording of the air horns that are close enough for our diesels. I would imagine there were alterations to the tunings on them for use here. Another air than has been changed in its tuning is the RVB types that first came out in NSW fitted to the Mk4 48cl, very sharp and clear. They were also on the 47, and 73 and all but the same tones, when fitted to the 422 and Jumbo's there was a difference again, but with them and especially the 422's it was the trail offs owing to the long air line between cabs.
Great video! I love the tuning it sounds awesome. I just don't understand why they would need an ultra low manifold when they have them up there, it doesn't save much clearance..
Just a heads up: ConnecticutRail (CTrail) uses these on their GP40-3Hs, with the unrestricted ones on locomotives 6695, 6696, 6697, & 6699. See these video(s): by FanRailer: czcams.com/video/rxxxfivIyng/video.html by Connecticut Rail Films: czcams.com/video/51zcJeXPK2M/video.html .
I thought this horn was made by an Australian company, not Nathan airchime! I like these horns! they sound a little like a K5HL! 5:58 why is that one flatcar in between the locomotives? 6:21 I think I've only heard a bell on an Australian locomotive twice! (i've never been there!)
1. The locos might’ve been under some form of test. 2. Hearing a bell is exceedingly rare in Australia, the only locos you have a chance of hearing them on are the CM or CBH class, as they’re American built and automatically turn on upon sounding the horn, though they always get turned off by the driver straightaway. Locos from as early as the 80s here do have them but it’s extremely rare to be able to hear them.
CFCLA/Rail first CMs have the bell connected to the horn as the same time when it's blown same thing you guys do plus I think the CM class is from America that's why the bell is turned on when the horn is blown
I'm curious of what is the proper horn sequence for crossings in your country. I noticed in some videos the trains blow one long blast before the crossing and some videos the trains sound a couple short toots before the crossing. Does it have to do with the railroad company or the part of the country where the trains operate? In US and Canada most trains sound two longs one short and one long before each crossing.
Only 6694 and maybe one other sound like trash because they came back restricted as fuck. 6695, 6696, and 6699 (as far as I know) sound like they should.
It was when Pacific National was trialling the 92 class C44ACi's on intermodal work before ordering more (they'd previously only worked the heavy coal lines and they did order more, the intermodal C44ACi's becoming the 93 class) and the model when fully fueled is overweight by a couple tonnes. The wagon with the tanktainer is for inline refueling and the box is to weight balance it/house the pump equipment. The 2 locos behind that were hauled offline as backup if something went wrong during the trial of the two 92's
Nathan do not sell their horns to the general public, and because this model of horn is quite new there are none fitted to locomotives currently being scrapped, so getting one of these horns will be nearly impossible unless you know someone who works in the rail industry who would be prepared to order one for you.
RailfanJojo No, Australian designed and built using GE internals. I can send you photos of them under construction in Broadmeadow, New South Wales if you'd like? Stop the condescending tone too btw, it's VERY unpleasant for anyone passing through...
6:03 : The sound every railfan loves to hear
Except barbers 😂 💇♂️
This is legit the new horn on the Connecticut CDOT GP40-2Hs
-3H.
Thats what i need on my van lol.
GP40-3hs used by CTrail in Connecticut also have these horns.
Awesome to see how these horns ended up on our GP40-3H's here in Connecticut! Great video!
I am only watching on a crappy laptop, but this AUS K horn sounds very similar to a K5H. It is a very pleasant sounding horn.
Rock On!!! GB
Beautiful tuned horn! It sounds like a canadian K5H, I love it.
Sounds M5ish to me
Almost sounds like an old cast P5
Indeed it's VERY close to the same chord as an Old Cast P5 (when running towards you at 70+ mph).
Beautiful sounding horns. Nice job mate.
CM3301 has a great horn and E Bell! I like how to he engineer quilled it too!
JS317Productions yeah ok.
All MP33C HAVE BELLS
Whopps caps
Cool story.
One minor correction, a 3B is not a standard #3, a standard #3 plays an A#. Otherwise great information and great clips of the horn in action, thank you for posting this!
Actually, its a major correction! My description of the nos 3 & 5 bells is bit unclear. Both those bells have been modified. Of the five bells the only one that is unmodified is the KSP3, which is jut a standard no.2 bell. I have no idea why it is given the "KSP3" designation when it has no actually been modified.
They use K5ULAULS horns on CT Rail GP40-3Hs, mate!
Indeed they do! I get to hear them every single day and they sound amazing! (Also this video was made back in 2016. CTrail started service in June 2018 and 6695 showed off its K5UL in July 2018)
Super looking power on those trains and great sounding horns. Nice job, mate.
i love theses horns
Now that's a great sound,Kind regards.
I've never heard a C44ACi blow its horn in real life, hope i will sometime!
They are deafening.
Is the c44aci essentially Australia’s version of the c44-9ws used in America or is it something else entirely?
@@glenbrown3011 no where close to RS5Ts
@@aether9747 these are hands down louder than the RS5T's.
The CT rail Hartford Line EMD GP40-3H Engines use these horns in North America because the Engines used there needed a ultra low Manifold for the Tunnels on the Springfield Corridor
RARE SOUND AT 6:21: BELL! Why don't they use their bell in Australia?
Up until the 80's I don't think any locos were fitted with bells, and from then on I think they were only optional until sometime in the last couple decades. We use them here for low speed same as the US but not very often since I don't think there's any rules that say they must be used. I've been told that some older drivers see it as an Americanization thing but I'm not 100% sure on that
DounutCereal cool. In the US, however, we usually use the bells at all railway crossings.
That'd explain why they're heard so much in youtube vids
DounutCereal Bells first became required on all steam engines in Massachusetts where I live in the 1800’s because people didn’t always pay attention to approaching trains at crossings and stations.
The bell became an additional tool to the whistle to help get more people’s attention.
Then, diesels and electrics came about and horns replaced whistles, but steel, bronze and brass bells all remained.
Now it’s air horns but with ebells. :)
Ditch lights too
I can't be the only one who thinks of the M5 when hearing this. I see other people say it sounds like the K5H, but it doesn't to me.
MP still advertising them on their website. Very unique sound when played on an electronic piano.
because I see lots of questions and a bit of misconceptions about all this stuff I'm just gonna put this up here. we have bells in AU on a good amount of locos classes but we don't use them very much because they aren't required in most states. we have a LOAD of US equipment because they sell it here, we don't have a horn code and if you can believe it shave and a haircut isn't limited to america.
Very interesting sound. What's more interesting is the lack of graffiti on the freight cars & cans.
I love austrailan trains
Bruce thanks for the sharing and an enlightening video indeed especially when hear the same horn on different loco's all sound the same???? For the enthusiast and modeller having the right sounds are important but how often do we actually get the right sounds, and going back to the early NSW diesels that had Nathan 5 chimes each were very much different in sounds.
What type was on the 40cl, and the one now fitted on preserved 4001 is very much Off, some have said its got a dud chime/trumpet, but being Canadian rather than from the U,S did the Canadians have this unique sounding air horn or was it specific to NSW?
The 42, 43 and Mk1 44clas loco's also are said to have Nathan 5 chimes, but each were distinctly different. Certainly each were much sweeter and softer than what we hear these days. Likewise there are some very harsh sounding air horns I hear on trains passing by here on the Central Coast, the line is some 3 K's as the crow flies from my home and its a literal challenge in hearing wha'ts what.
But, what types were found on those early diesels?
The 40 class were fitted with Airchime M5 horns. Both 4001 and 4201 currently have M5 horns fitted, and both have a couple partially blocked bells.The 42 and 43 class had first generation Nathan P5s. Here is a useful website: atsf.railfan.net/airhorns/
Thanks Bruce. I have that website marked as well as another couple, have yet to actually find a recording of the air horns that are close enough for our diesels. I would imagine there were alterations to the tunings on them for use here.
Another air than has been changed in its tuning is the RVB types that first came out in NSW fitted to the Mk4 48cl, very sharp and clear. They were also on the 47, and 73 and all but the same tones, when fitted to the 422 and Jumbo's there was a difference again, but with them and especially the 422's it was the trail offs owing to the long air line between cabs.
Great video! I love the tuning it sounds awesome. I just don't understand why they would need an ultra low manifold when they have them up there, it doesn't save much clearance..
A better idea would be to mount it under the frame like some P42dc passenger diesels.
Sits better in the Hole made specially for the Horn.
Just a heads up: ConnecticutRail (CTrail) uses these on their GP40-3Hs, with the unrestricted ones on locomotives 6695, 6696, 6697, & 6699. See these video(s):
by FanRailer: czcams.com/video/rxxxfivIyng/video.html
by Connecticut Rail Films: czcams.com/video/51zcJeXPK2M/video.html .
B, F, F#, A, C#. A very peculiar combination of chords.
THE LOCOMOTIVE AT 6:27 HAS A AMERICAN E-BELL
I see you doing shit about amercia
Also its made by MPI (motivepower)
Because it was made in America
they're all GE and EMD export locos lol plenty of locos have bells here
6:03 first time I’ve ever heard a non-American train do that!
The Shave and a Haircut is universal!
Would you happen to know where to get one😂?
Hey Rock Solid Railroad Videos, where can I order one?
this is what ive got on my truck hahaha :) eats up the air but
I thought this horn was made by an Australian company, not Nathan airchime!
I like these horns! they sound a little like a K5HL!
5:58 why is that one flatcar in between the locomotives?
6:21 I think I've only heard a bell on an Australian locomotive twice! (i've never been there!)
1. The locos might’ve been under some form of test.
2. Hearing a bell is exceedingly rare in Australia, the only locos you have a chance of hearing them on are the CM or CBH class, as they’re American built and automatically turn on upon sounding the horn, though they always get turned off by the driver straightaway. Locos from as early as the 80s here do have them but it’s extremely rare to be able to hear them.
CFCLA/Rail first CMs have the bell connected to the horn as the same time when it's blown same thing you guys do plus I think the CM class is from America that's why the bell is turned on when the horn is blown
Yeah we know that is the horn the GE C44ACis use
I'm curious of what is the proper horn sequence for crossings in your country. I noticed in some videos the trains blow one long blast before the crossing and some videos the trains sound a couple short toots before the crossing. Does it have to do with the railroad company or the part of the country where the trains operate? In US and Canada most trains sound two longs one short and one long before each crossing.
There is no regulation in Australia governing the horn sequence blown for crossings.
usually drivers just choose to honk once like 300 meters away and then honk when they get closer
So basically a Australian version of a K5LA on Amtrak
Leo Breslin um no it doesn’t...
6:03
what trumpets does it use?
Where did you get this horn? looking for one
Now CTRail uses K5UL-AU-LS horns on their GP40-2Hs
Yeah, but they sound like absolute garbage for some reason.
Only 6694 and maybe one other sound like trash because they came back restricted as fuck. 6695, 6696, and 6699 (as far as I know) sound like they should.
-3H. All were rebuilt.
@@FanRailer 6694 and 6698 have restrictors. 6695, 6696, 6697, and 6699 don't, and those are the best sounding in CTrail's rolling stock! :)
Will that horn sound the same on a regular K5LA manifold? And will the bells fit?
Yes same horns should be available from airchime
What is up with the train @5:40 ? Why 2 engine then rollinstock then locos? A test run?
It was when Pacific National was trialling the 92 class C44ACi's on intermodal work before ordering more (they'd previously only worked the heavy coal lines and they did order more, the intermodal C44ACi's becoming the 93 class) and the model when fully fueled is overweight by a couple tonnes. The wagon with the tanktainer is for inline refueling and the box is to weight balance it/house the pump equipment. The 2 locos behind that were hauled offline as backup if something went wrong during the trial of the two 92's
What notes does the K5UL-AU-LS play?
C#, F, F#, A, C#
Three Blind Mice.
C# E F# A C#
Note: The E is VERY sharp, which creates that warble
At 6:03 shave and a haircut 2 bits
Do you know where I can get one?
Nathan do not sell their horns to the general public, and because this model of horn is quite new there are none fitted to locomotives currently being scrapped, so getting one of these horns will be nearly impossible unless you know someone who works in the rail industry who would be prepared to order one for you.
6:04 SHAVE AND A HAIRCUT, TWO BITS!!!!!!!!
i do?
@@mdgfb05 he is just showing you a shave and a haircut horn
E bell
I bet the locomotives were american imports because they feature flashing ditch lights (an american locomotive requirement)
no these locos are desgined and Built in AUS
C44aci's are Australian built. Ditch lights flash when the horn is activated on them.
Michael No. They are GE Built. They were built in North America by General Electric and were shipped to Australia.
They were built in Newcastle, Australia. I was there!www.railpage.com.au/locos/cey-class
RailfanJojo No, Australian designed and built using GE internals. I can send you photos of them under construction in Broadmeadow, New South Wales if you'd like? Stop the condescending tone too btw, it's VERY unpleasant for anyone passing through...
Also why does austrailia have freaking american railroad stuff?
Because we bought locos that were made in the usa thats why
Because they sell world wide.
Please get the fuck outta Australia if you keep saying shit about America
@@andrewtailby4364 the locos were built in Newcastle, Australia.