EXPOSING Venom Motorsports 250cc "Superbike" with REAL TESTS!
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In another Episode of "WTF is this" we Debunk all of Vemon/Boom BD250's claimed specs. This is crazy
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0:00 Intro
0:29 Testing Equipment
1:18 Installing equipment
4:04 On the Road Tests
6:33 Top Speed and 0-60
7:39 Results and LIES - Komedie
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Yeah but can you get it to balance point?
It is time.... Ride a KTM 200 Duke or ship a RC 200 here for a race bike 😂
You know yam while you are punching down on Chinese bikes you should get the lifan kpx250 from venom too! I was hard thinking about getting that bike before just spending extra money on a midsize Adv bike but still curious about it
My title said 223 cc I had one
More PopTart than Kipper for breakfast bless him
This bike made me realize my ninja 400 is actually a powerful bike for what it is.
N400 is a literal superbike compared to this POS lmao
@@yammienoobGreat sense of perspective 😂 I love my 400 🤓
To think I actually considered one of these China bikes as a first bike LOL.
I too ended up with the "standard beginner bike" Ninja 400. It makes this thing look like a bird scooter 😂
The Chinese should clone the Ninja 400cc engine and bring out an adv version to beat out the Versys x 300.
My 150cc tops out at 62 but with a few mods like a new high performance variator I might get to 65
I'm waiting for the inevitable freakout from Venom once they discover these videos and how badly their plan to bribe a positive review out of you backfired
Time to rebrand! Goodbye venom! Hello [insert other word relating to a cool animal]!
Funny thing is he isnt the only CZcamsr who did this exact thing with this bike lol
@@trentbryan7374SONIC-BOOM ANTI-VENOM. New name. Same pos bike .
Could you imagine the amount of editing that it would take to make that thing even halfway cool? Ha
Never let them know your next move 😂
The biggest mistake Venom made was trying to get Yam to speak positively about this abomination.
That 0-60 time is the same as the 1984 Toyota Tarago van that I learned to drive in.
My very first car was a 1990 VW Polo Mk II with 55 rampant horse-power. It was by no means a fast car, but it would've eaten that Chinese Superbike for breakfast. From the numbers and from what I can see in the videos, this thing has holiday-rental-scooter/Honda SuperCub performance.
thoughts on installing a NOS kit? this bike deserves to go out with a “boom”😅
I really want to see the turbo from the busa get put on it too!
Let's get that motor out of there and bore it out 30 or 60 thousandths
Pill it till ya k!ll it !
Make the Boom go BOOM!!! But be careful - nobody wants a connecting rod through the leg.
DO IT YAMS
Very common on Chinese bikes. My first bike was Chinese and I thought people were speeding like crazy because according to my speedo I was going the speedlimit and people were aggressively passing me. It overreports by about 20%
holy shit. 20% is horrific. I thought my CBR250 reading at 10% was bad.
Jfc. And to think I was actually considering buying form them..
Yea, But you can get a decent spedo on any modern phone now. There's like so many app's and I've tested them. My current china bike is maybe off by like 4-5 MPH. This dude just went way to hard on this bike TBH. If your buying a china bike you know it's not gonna be be the best shiz. And on the old head's who ride have a stick up there ass of about the brand's they rep. And let's be real here. if you aint riding a china bike you prob are loaded or older and maybe loaded. Can't even get a Navi for under 5.4k in Austin out the door. And it's that or buy used. And I've run into less issues with china bike's then I ever did with used one's. Just don't be dumb and buy something online then go and ride it with zero knowledge on how to inspect your gear/bike. If your young you will NEVER be able to finance a bike, So.... I learned how to tune my china bike's to how I like them.
A lot of Chinese bikes have the speedometer installed backwards... 🕔
@@Mikesusendsadasdcyo teach me how to tune, like what did you use, I wanna give China bikes a try but mod it a little
I got a bike from Venom, years before this video. Its a Lifan brand, got 7K miles on it now, I just do regular maintenance, fluids, chain adjustment, spark plug, valve clearance adjustment. Still zero issues, its a tank. Lol!
Lifan is a good bike brand
Well, it's a Lifan after all as opposed to the other bikes on Venom.
I too bought from them a Lifan KPM200 and it's awesome.
However I'm worried about buying any non-Lifan bikes from them.
Is the company reliable?
Saw a couple Lifans for a couple grand a pop at a dealer close to my house. Dont know much about Lifan, are they a good brand for beginner bikes?
The Honda 230 engine is legendarily reliable so a copy of that engine should also be bullet proof
You forget the price range of these rebranded Venom bikes, you can get a brand new bike from Venom in the range of $2,000-$3,300 depending on which one you pick. A ninja 250 used are selling around 3K, the new model that was supposed to be released this year was set to approximately $4,920. I personally don’t regret my Venom as a starter bike.
You get what u pay for.. china quality aint cheap
Same, and online people always say "buy a cheap used bike" and it's a lie for many of us.
In my area everyone sells used bikes at MSRP ever since COVID. Everyone today feels entitled to their full money back for bikes with tons of miles on them. People have lost their minds.
If I had this bike the first thing I'd do is change the tach so that, instead of numbers, it was just random pictures. "Yeah bro, the bike redlines at toaster, but you should probably shift at milk carton to stay in the power".
Then I'd convert the speedo to it's natural measurements, "hectares per sidereal day"
Americans will use anything but the metric system to measure.
like a riding lawn mower? ( rabbit means faster)
Thats good
Man, you're really pissed off at them for trying to give you a bike in exchange for a good review. Well done, they deserved it!
hes pissed because the company is dangerous and could kill thousands of new riders looking for a budget bike trying to save money and enter the hobby.
Cant imagine anyone actually buying these bikes compared to used reputable brand, specially when comes to parts and service information. Quite competitive market
Well I almost died today. Some kid pulled right out in front of me while I was doing 50. Tried braking but there wasn’t enough distance. I hit the back brakes a little too hard and skid but I think that allowed me to steer left and escaped into the middle lane. I locked eyes with the kid after I skid by him. He had the “oh crap” face and kept going. I pulled over to catch my bearings. I’d like to thank all the motorcycle youtubers. Stay safe
@PapaYammie01 told me you had somehting special for me too and all it was pictures of his hairy bunghole. It wasn't special at all 😢. 0/10 don't recommend.
What has this revelation got to do with crap Chinese motorcycles?
Did you want to talk about Chinese motorcycles here? I think cf moto isn’t bad. How bout you? Any experience with Chinese motorcycles? Were you planning on getting one til you watched this 8 month old video?
@@johnstiles6663 I'm certainly not interested in your bs near miss story, but as you ask, I've had a few Chinese bikes brought to my shop and yes, they're every bit as rubbish as this one and no, I'm not thinking of buying one in the same way as I'd never buy a Hardley Ableson.
Perhaps your story might go down better on one of those crash compilations?
To be fair I probably did put it on one of dans videos. Idk it was 8 months ago. Yes I’ve had Chinese stuff in my shop too. They suck. I have only had a cf moto 4 wheeler come in tho no bikes and I was kinda impressed with cf moto. It’s not as reliable as Japanese but you do get a lot of features for the money. I don’t like Harley’s either. I probably will never buy a cf moto tho. I like Japanese bikes. Only ever owned kawasaki but mostly because of right place right time and abundance in my area
I'm so happy to have fount this channel. Yammie helped me pick my first motorcycle. But also helped me with which NOT to pick.
I was about to order a venom because they are cheap. I've never had a bike and I want something cheap and easy to ride but not lies. I'm still looking.
That company probably has deep regrets for their misplaced email 😂
lmao
That's bud light level of corporate fuck up.
No they dont,they are new capitalist, no shame just like their American idols
No ragrets
"Slower than a dump truck" made me howl 😂
They must seriously regret sending that contract 😂
I would be worried about the wheel bearing falling apart while riding. Or the chain breaking.
Ya , I wouldn't want my death certificate to say, "died due to boom Superbike deconstruction"
@@chas30012001He died due to owerspeeding the Boom-Boom with some bargirl..
@thomasauslander3757 that earned ya a laugh
Motorcycle goes *boom*
Your tachometer is counting electric pulses to the sparkplug so, since it is a four stroke engine, there will be two revolutions for each count in your tachometer.
Someone tell Yam how motors work. This comment should be higher!
eg fucken zactly!!
It ain't revving to 11k RPM dude lol
This comment is correct, spark ignites once per cycle and 4 strokes are two full rotations of the crankshaft.
If this was a two stroke engine then the ignition would be equivalent to the rotation.
@@yammienoob It doesn't rev up to 11k, but it does get to 10k just like a CRF230 does. The rest of the review, about the overall crapfullness of the thing is spot on. But you did mess up on that one.
I love the fact that you could have just made a video and called it, but instead you decide to destroy a whole company
liars hang from their own rope, just a little more effort and they might have got it to work maybe an engine from Harbor freight?
I was going to buy the Venom Ghost Chopper 250 as my first bike back in December. Thank God I decided against it and went with my Rebel 300.
Did you use the motorcycle odometer or the wahoo for the mpg calculation?
I lost it when he used a dump truck as a reference to 0-60 lmao
You should have Gixxerbrah test it to it's real limits! 🤣
NEED THIS
Gixxerbruh already did that. There's a video riding this bike on his channel.
Bro i had this exact bike in the uk but 50CC (still with twin discs) and imagine how i felt in the hilliest part of the world! Had it for 2 months and sold for an aprilia 2 stroke, never regretted it
I think the TTO was maybe reading exactly half of the actual RPM. There are different settings depending on what type of engine you use them on
Nail on head I think; 4 stroke engine sparking every other revolution, so reading half speed. Audibly that motor was doing much more than 5k.
@@derekm6236even when he revved it in the parking lot it definitely did reach 6k, 3k doesn't sound like that on a single cylinder, I think the Trail tech gauge is set for a wasted spark system
@@derekm6236Yeah, I own multiple single cylinders and that engine was easily doing 8500-9000.
@@mdzaid5925 lol no it wasnt
No dude these are cdi engines and they dont have cam position sensors they spark every revolution. you think the pick up coil ignores the contact on the flywheel every other revolution somehow??
honestly makes me kind of happy knowing there is atleast 1 bike that my honda civic could beat in a 0-60 lol
I have still yet to find a vehicle that my clapped out Honda accord could beat in a 0-60 race lol
Lmao bro a goddamn Prius from the 2000’s would kick this bikes ass 🤣🤣🤣
A Honda Civic, surely you have a 10 second car where you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
Yeah..but your civic would probably outlive u...😅
You know you're lookin at a high quality superbike when its 0-60 time is comparable to that of a decade-old dump truck
Bro that break down was incredibly awesome..class was definitely in session...I learned alot today..now I wanna challenge venom to ask them what am I really paying clearly 🤔 they lied on everything I hope they go down with the price also
The dump truck comparison was gold! 😂😂😂
If the speedometer is wrong wouldn’t the odometer be wrong too?
My thoughts exactly, maybe he used the bicycle thingy for mileage as well as speed? It would be good to get that clarified though, as an overly optimistic odometer would mean even worse fuel mileage!
Lol yes it does. 😂 I have a BD-125 and before I corrected the Speedo it was 50% off making a 10 mile run look like 15! The manual recommends a 500 km break in period. I wonder if that is their miles or actual miles lol.
@@NICKELGHANDI well 500km is kilometers so it's not anybodys miles.
was it per chance showing 100 when it was going 60 mph?
It would be really funny to see you guys port the engine and tune it up to give it a bit more power and see where it takes you
my guess would be a broken engine lol
dat .5 extra HP doe
Back to the shop in a hour
With a Chinese clone engine.... probably would either shred the insides of the engine or bolts would break and you wouldn't be able to put it back together
Into a ditch most likely.
10:05 The "2012 F-650 **DUMP TRUCK**" had me dying XD
I'm considering buying a venom thunder dirt bike. Should I avoid this brand name all together? Any recommendations on a good inexpensive first time rider dirt bike?
Is the tachometer set for a 2 stroke engine measuring the rpm as every power stroke for one revolution of the engine? A 4-stroke would have 2 revolutions of the crank and could be why the rpm is about half of what is claimed. The tacho yam put on is getting the signal from the ht lead.
I just made the same observation.
Yes it’s reading the spark not the rpm from what I can work out
I came here to say the same thing. Obviously his mechanical skills match his over expectations.
All being said, I've got a lovely old CM250T that can hit 90mph all day, 0-60 less than 10 seconds, and over 40 years old.
My guess as well. Many 4 stroke bikes use a wasted spark system, but not all, and not sure about this. But my guess is you are right
That thing is a death trap on the highway. Imagine thinking you're doing 70 and in reality you're only doing 50.
It is also illegal
@@user-yk7jk4lh9p not in California! its insane I have reported them to the DMV as well. I was a dummy to purchase a bike from them and this exact thing happened to me, I weigh 170 and when I started to incline I lost so much power, I thought I was going to get smashed. They lie so much on their site. "400lbs without compromising performance" ya.......................................................
Your tachs are perfectly synced, it’s counting electric pulses and it’s a four stroke with a wasted spark so it’s perfect spot on. Just multiply by two or change settings on your new tach
great work...enjoyed every minute of this..thank you
“Your going to have trouble keeping up with your local dump truck if you are driving a boom” 🤣😂🤣😂🤣❤️
Suzuki's T350 Hustler had only a displacement of 315cc, which was only 10cc more than the Suzuki T305 Raider, but cost a whole lot more.
After the dyno test, what do you plan for the bike?
I hope you can get a 450SS to try out. Would love to see it running with the RC390 and a Ninja 400 on the track.
That would be cool.
I have a ktm390 bike sucks new overheating all time bike is ass
Really liked this video. Enjoy the idea of fact checking rogue/niche bikes out there. More please 😁
My buddy bought a China dirtbike with that same engine, side by side to my crf230 they are pretty similar but the China bike took a lot to get it running right. If you want a good practice wheelie bike look into the 230s they are sweet.
Tammie if ya get your hands on a 350 GK Sporting Cafe Zontes motorcycle, you might even enjoy doing the review 😊
I enjoy these videos, actually get to learn from them. I would love to ride some day, hopefully soon. Y'all be safe out there people! Durban, South Afrika 🇿🇦✌🏾 Salute!
yammie, i'd like to thank you for potentially saving me thousands of dollars. at one point early in my quest for my first motorcycle i looked into this bike company/others similar. not anymore.
why would you even consider it xD
@@sverremoe4087 knew absolutely nothing about motorcycles/scooters when i first came onto the scene and these "look" the coolest for their price. obviously looks mean nothing
Cheaping out aint wrong, but know what you buy. Brands like CFMoto, GPX and Kove are rather cheap brands, from china, and have a good reputation. Given that GPX and Kove use Zongshen engines in some of their models (which I have plenty of experience with, they're really solid) there is nothing to worry about. But no name brands and small displacement? Usually a big no. When you see such a bike, the only good thing is usually the engine, because by the time you can properly review it without killing yourself, the bike either has been worked on or has broken.
@@darko_lengkeek-jakupovic i appreciate this reply a lot, thank you Darko!
bro... my first motorcycle was a chinese 750$ 50cc scooter when i was a kid. sadly i didnt know anything but i sold it nearly immediately and didnt lose much money. im NEVER EVER gonna buy a chinese motorcycle again. i see how it is possible for someone to buy one tho... and its sad
Can you point us to the little handlebar GPS speedometer gadget you used for the test?
just out of curiosity can you get it mapped to increase the power ? considering that is actually slower or the same as a honda 125cc with pushrod valves ?
..yes, but then something else will wear out faster.. the CCP did allow this production of engineering lies to be exported as the best Chinese technology....
By this time, I think you secretly love this " bike "
He does. In six months he'll drop the "Why I love my BOOM 229" vid.
@@adamduncan1589 The BOOM 229 vids are always fun
Out of all the languages in the world bro chose to spit facts 💯
Same with the Gixxer 250
Its a good marketing stratergy tbh. The company is not forcing yammie to priase it yet we keep on seeing this bike.
Pretty great consumer reporting to be honest; def wanna see a KPM/R 200 given the Yammiscope.
Everything you've said in this video, I concur. I own a Honda Super Cub AND a CSC San Gabriel "250", which is a rebranded ZongShen just like this Venom bike. Honestly, if they made a 150cc version of a Honda Super Cub, I'd gladly take that on the highway over this deathtrap. The first night I got it back, the centerstand spring just fell off, and I didn't realize it until the next morning. All throughout, the mirrors kept rattling so bad, I couldn't see anything behind me, and at random, the gears get stuck and you end up stalling because you can't put it back down in first from a fully stopped position. The spedometer is indeed 10% than your actual speeds. Save your money and your time.
You should confront Venom and report their response - That would be a gem of a video.
The rear tire appears to be installed backwards.
I have a suggestion for the dyno run bring a Honda CRF230 or CRF250 the dirt bike that engine is a clone of see if it even makes as much power as the original. That would be interesting.
Please do reviews on Lexmoto lxr 125s and taro gp1 and 2 bikes. Both have the same chassis.
did you try to connect to OBD with Torque apps to verify the actual numbers?
I want to know what can be done to it to make it a respectable bike. Can you hone the engine and install a larger piston. Update the PCM, and even update the sprockets. Looking forward to the dyno tests.
no it is a two valves those engines have low air admission, they are made for stable torque not horsepower, this engine is what it is, good for offroading, not on road
The way to make this thing respectable is scrap it and buy a motorcycle.
Change the gearing & carb
idk if ur rpm reader is right bcus its a 4 stroke so surely it only reads the spark every 2 revolutions so then the rmp meter would be right or am i wrong?
You're wrong. The magneto used fires on every revolution even though it's 4-stroke. His readings are correct.
@@UTubeHandlesSuck ok
I want to know how many HP you can add to the Boom and what it sounds like with no muffler.
These engines have a soft spot in my heart. Over the last 11+yrs iv built a very nasty 155cc version
They're likely counting counting the combustion chamber as the extra 25-30cc's of the claimed 250 cc
No. That would only be used in a compression ratio calculation. Displacement is simply a function of bore and stroke.
@doughoffman9463 Yeah, that's normally true, but with these overseas manufacturers they'll use that to bolster their products.
@@vintageludwig What I describe are the only correct ways to do it.But many (most?) motorcycle manufacturers routinely round the displacement to a nominal number for ease in describing an engine, not the exact number. This includes Honda.
3:03 The bike actually looks really good in this angle lol
New subscriber. Was lookjnv to buy one from venom as a new rider to learn as the price look affordable. Thx for a genuine review. Gonna keep saving for the Yamaha MT-03
Smart move!
I would like if you would try more Chinese brands such as Vitacci and x-Pro currently thinking about buying the Vitacci GTX EFi 250cc as a starter and would like a professional opinion
Can't ding the milage if you take it over 4th. You should know there's a problem when 0-60 lists as maybe. Still, you have to admit that if you have to commit insurance fraud, it would hurt less than losing a versys.
I guess my question is about the MPG, did you use the inaccurate mileage from the stock speedo or the mileage from the good GPS? As the speedo being off that far 20% (50 claimed 40 actual) would be 41.7MPG or there about.
Good point
That alson means that people are not getting the number of miles they think they are! So if they say they have 500 miles on the bike they only really have about 450 or less!
the original ninja 250 was the best small bore sport bike under 400 cc. I went one up on the front sprocket and 3 down on the back and it still hit 105mph and I rode it on the freeway daily.
i actuallly think your aftermarket ignition counter is off, too. that doesnt sound like 5k rpm at 5:52
Well done, bro...more people need to start doing honest reviews of these cheap Chinese garbage bikes. 😏
I swear, it's like we have to constantly remind folks that you ALWAYS "get what you pay for."
Have you checked the valves on this thing ? Most of the Chinese bikes are out of spec from the start .
I see what you did at 4:18 you doubled the bike's value! :D
If their speedometer is off, so is how it measures the miles. Which metric are you going off of for the MPG?
CHALLENGE: Take the price difference between this bike and a new Ninja 250 and see if you can improve this bike with it, make it more fun to ride than the Ninja, or cooler.
lol. For the extra 2 grand, you could buy a used 650 motor to drop in it.
@@RandysRides I agree but where is the challenge?
Ah man he's already replaced the turbo busa
The Rev counter you used is recording of half the true rpm a four stroke only fires every second revolution
How does papa Yam expect me to focus on the results board with all that paper on the floor. 😅 And he threw those to the side just enough for us to see them on the floor at the corner of the video.
I feel u have literally saved lives with the couple videos u have done on this bike.
You are the lockpicking lawyer of the motorcycle world 😂
I like how the tank says BOOM
It reminds me of a joke I once heard in Friends where Chandler was talking about his friend who had bent his radio antenna to make it look like he was driving faster.
There's a lot of people around the world who'd be happy and content to own such a bike.
1st world problems
It's amusing to note, that when the Japanese (notably Honda) first started appearing (mostly UK I'm guessing, don't know how they were received in the States) they were scoffed at. Much like we do with incoming Chinese bikes such as this. BUT the Japanese machines were well built AND reliable. They had to be. Either the Chinese manufacturers will work that out, or not.
Japanese competed on quality and reliability, Chinese compete on being dirt cheap. When it inevitably breaks you just throw the POS away and buy a new one.
Some of the Chinese manufacturers are pretty reliable these days.
But generally the build quality of smaller manufacturers like zongshen are still complete dogshit unlike CFMOTO or QJ
17 seconds 0-60? Dam.. my 4000lb 5cyl truck covered the 1/4 mile in 17 seconds and change... at 80something mph...
This is THE BEST video you’ve done Bro!
I got a hawk dlx and it’s a fun reliable bike!! Best part is parts are dirt cheap!
Thank you for rejecting their money and making videos showing this shit, it helps new riders know to look out for suspicious things
just tell yourself it is really a 175 cc and you might like it?
That’s y I prefer CFmoto over anything
Can you do a big motor swap and carb swap. I think they make a china 300 dual overhead cam.
For reference. My 1986 rg gamma 125 cc. Did over 90mph and 0_60 mph in about 8 secs.
Wouldn't suprise me if the chinese government has now put a hit on yammie after roasting the bike with several videos.
Dude, you missed an opportunity here... you should have headed over to AF1 and strapped it to the dyno. haha
EDIT: Whoops, Just saw the end where you are planning exactly that!
Is it a good starter bike? As far as balance weight and part price. I don’t mind if the speed is like a scooter just need a good reliable backpack starter bike
I'm an owner of an Xpro X24 (same thing different badge) and it's got 1300 miles and currently parked waiting for parts.. I finally got another bike after 9 years and I wasted so much money and now I'm stuck with it...
How were you reading mileage? Don't forget, if your speedo is off by like 15%, the odometer will be too.
The Grom definitely does not do 0-60 in 13 sec, the speedos are off by about 10% on Groms.
Also there's no way that thing is only turning 5,000 rpm at 70mph in 4th gear, or maybe it is and that's why it's slower than a lot of 125cc's lmao, just by the sound of it though, it seems like you may have the wrong setting on your digital tach.
Honestly, have your fun with this POS and then get rid of it. This bike needs to be eliminated, take it to a range, send some lead down said range and hasta la vista baby 👍🏻
Remove all of the plastic fairings, fenders, and the seat. Replace the EFI with a carburetor. Put metal full fenders on both wheels. Put a springer seat on it. Put long bicycle style handlebars on it. Give it just an analog speedometer. Call it a JANUS and charge $10,000.
Noob question but how does wrapping that wire around the spark plug wire get you a accurate reading?
Even if its not as powerful as advertised, i would still be happy to own something like this because its still a motorcycle and motorcycles are fun.
I'd be curious to see your breakdown of one of the 'better' chinese bikes like the KPR200
Better then any small engine bikes honda is putting out. Google frame welds or quality for Hondapower sports 2022 or 2023. Why is Honda still giving you halogen bulbs in your blinkers and headlights ? You're paying the premium shouldn't you get full LEDs?
that kpr 200 is slower than their enduros, and shoud not be ridden on roads with speeds over 60 mph!
Can you do a side by side comparison with the cfmoto 450 vs the ninja 400
Can you please do a similar review with Cfmoto 300sr/450sr?