The shooting range where you fire over a busy road
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- The Brünnlisau shooting range in Switzerland has its targets on the other side of a major road. And it's safe. Here's how and why. Thanks to everyone at the Schiessanlage Brünnlisau!
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This video has a correction: the subtitles should say "Schusswaffen [firearms]" not "Schutzwaffen [defensive weapons]". My transcriber and translator was German, but not Swiss German, so it's an understandable mistake! There's unfortunately no way to fix that in-video, but hopefully it still makes sense.
It's okay Tom
I see
Thanks
My favourite channel never fails, great video. 25years in the British Army Royal Engineers 🇬🇧
This should get pinned.
Don’t worry, it still makes the same amount of sense to me, which is absolutely no sense, because I don’t speak German
I like how Tom said "about 2 hours from Zurich" as if not every town in Switzerland is at most 2 hours from Zurich.
Lots of cities are 1h or less from Zurich. Basel, Bern, Lucerne, St. Gallen, Winterthur and some more are reachable within 1h.
and some are quite a bit more. such as Geneva or Ticino.
Bruh Geneva is about as far away as you can get from Zurich and it’s only 3 hours away, Switzerland is mini.
What about Zurich itself?
@@yungamurai but distance != travel time. Geneva is the second biggest city so obviously there are good connections between it an Zurich. But yes, Switzerland is still very small.
Living in southern Germany I've heard the expression: "Switzerland doesn't have an army, Switzerland is an army".
An Exceptionally True statement regarding Switzerland!! 🤠👍🇨🇭
😂Das kann ich unterschreiben😂
One of my favorite lines I've heard was back in WWII when someone asked a Swiss what would they do if Germany invaded Switzerland. The reply was, "Well, each of us would shoot twice then go home." (The German army was twice the size of Swiss population at the time.)
In america, 85% of our citizen are armed. Our entire country is an army. There 8million people in Switzerland, American has over 400million registered guns lmfao not including all the ghost guns we have.
@@mrrod3004 yes but Americans just use it to shoot at each other
Forget shooting over a road, the electronic targets are AWESOME
We have a similar electronic targeting system at our gun club in Wisconsin. We have a 1000 yd range too.
As an American member of The Swiss Rifles of Washington DC, in 2000 I participated in the pent-annual Eidgenössisches Schützenfest in Biere, Switzerland. I remember standing in the lobby of my hotel in Lausanne and observing a number of Swiss men checking in at the front desk. Their full-automatic Sturmgewehr-90 assault rifles were bungee-corded to the outside of their luggage. This Federal Shooting Festival included a large and well-attended parade through Lausanne. Only in Switzerland!
The motorists are in far more danger from the surrounding cars than the overhead bullets.
and the wildlife. idk what kind they got out in switzerland but in upstate ny deer jump out in front of speeding cars all the time. it's like a huge problem here.
@@env0x I feel like there wouldn’t be many deer or other wildlife with all the gunshots in the area.
@@blakemcmillan5680 You'd be surprised what animals get acclimated to. If the deer in the area aren't hunted, they might just ignore the noise.
No they aren’t, they don’t drive like maniacs
@@djsilversun doesn't have anything to do with bad driving
Accidents happen all the time
Tom shooting is just as strange as him vaping, he's growing up so fast
He's in his rebellious phase
Interesting that you see it that way. In my mind, I have always associated those activities with rebellious teens - literal ones or addicted in the teen years or just some who got stuck at that age mentally for too long.
@@ignorasmus I bet you’re fun at parties.
@@ignorasmus ye and i bet saying your opinion on youtube makes it even more mature
@@TempApollo13 Almost a teenager!
I know you don't wanna get into the politics of firearm Ownership, but I have to say, I do like the respect you showed everyone involved. Well done.
Personally I love how he openly admits his bias of living in a country without personal ownership of firearms makes him unqualified to debate it with people from other countries. I wish more people on the internet were the same.
In general I think its weird to tell people who live in another country, or on the other side of the planet, how they should live.
It was an apologetic video for sure.
@@Theviewerdudejust because you live somewhere else doesn’t necessarily mean you are unqualified
@@mlggamingpro2578 yes you are
@@jamessheppard4372 America has hundreds of shootings every year. And a lot of those are school shootings where victims are predominantly children. Just because my country doesn't have a school shooting problem doesn't mean I or anybody else with a working brain is unqualified to say "That's f*cked up and you should do something other than giving people more guns which just amplifies the problem".
I grew up in Switzerland, 1971-1984, and this puts a wide smile on my face :) (we were used to seeing soldiers , conscripts?, in public transport, with their heavy 7,5mm Sig, while riding to the boyscouts events etc.)
Why did you leave?
@@kostasmihalopoulos882 leave what?
@@damirostruz Leave Switzerland.
"About 2 hours from Zurich". That could be almost anywhere in Switzerland.
I mean fair enough but there are some parts of Zurich that are two hours from Zurich during rush hour😂
@@regrettithesadspaghetti8521 Me crying at the Brütiseller Chrüz
@@regrettithesadspaghetti8521 I was going to say Zurich... 🤐
@@regrettithesadspaghetti8521 Ah, I see you have a Los Angeles.
Thats true xD
Big red arrow in thumbmail is appropriate for once.
edit: I meant on CZcams in general, I assume Tom's arrows are always appropriate.
I feel like when Tom places one, it's always appropriate in a Tom Scott thumbnail. He's never placed a red arrow for no reason 😊
Tom's arrows are always appropriate.
What a welcome change. I despise those arrows and circles with a passion.
For once.
@@safe-keeper1042 more than emojis or overexcited faces in the thumbnails? :D
I love to see you pointing a light at responsible gun ownership. A population can be armed and very safe, it all has to do with environment and training. The gun club I'm a member at here in the states opened in 1956, and they've never had a single serious firearm-related incident or accident, and yes, if you attempted to break a safety rule in malice or in ineptitude, you would quickly be shown either the asphalt or the right way to operate. Great video.
Mass shootings were unheard of in the US 50/60 years ago... what's changed? 🤔💭
@@aconcernedcitizen6056 what’s crazy about that is fully automatic firing guns were available to the public back then
@@sciathoir They still are but not new ones and they gotta be pre ban
@@aconcernedcitizen6056 people, people as a whole have moved closer to the line that the general public wouldn’t dare cross 50-60 years ago. The problem the US is facing today isn’t solely a gun problem. It’s a mental health problem
@Temp. perfect way to describe it. The guns aren’t shooting, we are shooting the guns. A lot of shooters show signs of mental illness
I've been at a gun range here in the US where a teenager who had come with two adults turned around (facing the seats) with a loaded gun in hand. The rangemaster walked over and told the adults they were being ejected, and the teen was banned for a year. They protested and he told them "You're responsible for him, he could have killed someone, and you weren't paying enough attention to even notice - you're lucky he's not dead." Mind you, the kid was still holding the gun. The adult scoffed and asked why (about the luck in the kid not getting killed) and the rangemaster noted four people in adjacent stalls with weapons in hand, who had shifted their stances to face the confrontation (though still pointing their guns downrange, something they could remedy in a blink). The rest of the range (25 stalls) had stopped shooting, and everyone was shifting around to get out of the potential lines of fire. That's the thing about a bunch of trained shooters, nobody had to organize it, nobody had to tell anyone else what to do, they just did it.
When the two adults realized how much the situation had already escalated, they backed down and packed their things. The kid apologized, not to anyone in particular, but said he didn't mean to point it at anyone and he didn't mean anything by it. One of the guys who had been at the ready said, "We know - that's why you're still alive."
thats the coldest line I've ever heard. if that was all directed at me with my parents acting that way I'd feel ashamed every time I saw a gun.
That's what I've seen happen also. I'm English and saw a fellow European getting a little "blasé" with a pistol and the range master came down on him like a tonne of bricks. Safety is a critical component of good gun ownership and doesn't take anything away from the pleasure of shooting.
Cool story but it didn't happen
Cap
True story guys, I was the gun
"Breaking the safety rules surrounded by military trained firearm enthusiasts is, ah, not a great plan." I loved that sentence.
The so-called 'American Sniper' (Chris Kyle) was murdered at the firing range by an acquaintance. Tom's statement was a little naive. Action beats reaction.
@@thePronto perhaps, however, this firing range has very strict firing procedures, requiring you to be laying down before even loading the rifle. The breaking safety rules surrounded by military trained enthusiasts would have plenty of opportunity to enforce the rules before an action happened.
@@thePronto Key word here is American
In a similar vein, who would be dumb enough to rob a gun shop? And yet a surprising number of attempts are made (here in America, of course.) But the variables are so much greater than what Tom was talking about, of course.
@@donjones4719 It is very silly to rob a gun shop or attempt murder at a shooting range. But robberies and attempted murders happen everywhere. The point Tom makes is that a murder at a gun range is no more likely than a murder anywhere else because being surrounded by trained military men essentially balances out the increased presence of firearms.
Great video Tom. Glad to see somebody doing journalism & showing the reality of something.
Gosh, I love my country. I lived in London for many years and actually never wanted to move back to Switzerland. Since returning, I’ve had an uneasy friendship with Switzerland, always missing England. How strange is it, that it took an English man’s numerous videos to make myself fall in love with my native country again. Thank you Tom!
Switzerland for the taxes, London 3 weeks a year to buy stuff and catch up with family. It's a nice compromise.
Imagine riding past in a double-decker bus, haha
Surprised to see you here!
I think You can actualy do that without problems.
Well played
I FEEL LUCKY!
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT famous last words...
That's actually insanely good marksmanship for someone with no experience and iron sights at that distance. Kudos.
Those rifles are very accurate and the sites super high quality. The 90 or 57 both shoot very well indeed at 300m. Good shooting I agree but a lot of people would be surprised at how accurate they can be with those rifles.
That's not very far. I'm not a very good marksman but I would have had a significantly tighter group.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness But you have shot before. So you aren't relevant.
actually surprisingly easy to hit the center center with the Sig 550 on the 300 m range. But still very good shooting by Tom.
@@TheReaverOfDarkness "no experience"
This was cool to hear. I took 2 semesters of German in high school, as well as having a German exchange student come live with us for 6 months, so I learned a decent bit of German. Let me tell you, it is an entirely different thing to hear someone speak Swiss German. Little things you notice that you're like "That was right, but why did it not SOUND right?" its very interesting.
Fun Fact: That is not Swiss German, that is just normal German with a swiss accent
If someone speaks swiss german, then even most germans won't understand it (south germans mostly do, their dialect is similar)
Spotting a swiss person in germany is very easy, the dialect just shines through :)
Like a Geordie speaking to a Cornish native...
not sure if you caught it, but even toms subtitle guy (a german) made a mistake. southern germanic dialects are very hard to understand for speakers of "official" german.
The guy in this video spoke his very best and clear Standard German, not Swiss German. And he did a very good job at it. If he had spoken in Swiss German, I assure you, not even the Germans would have been able to understand most of it.
This is a really cool approach to a long distance firing range in an era where space and range is severely limited due to the rapid expansion of civilization.
I appreciate the instructor making the effort to speak in High German despite clearly being a Swiss-German speaker 😂
That's why I could understand it! Thanks for bringing it up.
That's quite normal to do that if we talk to non swiss people. It's just more likely for them to understand it :)
The accent was very strong though.
"high german" ???😂😂😂😂😂
@@bazingapuzza accents are fun
I love the aesthetic of the old CRT monitor system and stand.
Goes for the saying "if it ain't broke why fix it.. Refreshing to see it still being used.
I want to believe that it’s an analog vector display.
Fallout Vibes?
I love the functionality of it. CRTs are a good display technology that are highly adaptable and have better colors, not just a quirky aesthetic.
@@lepidotos I don't think any of that applies to a monochrome display that has a mostly static image.
I remember a shooting range I went to in Kent many years ago, it backed onto the Thames Estuary. I was firing either the LMG (Bren) or GPMG.
Every time a large ship came up the Estuary we all had to stop shooting because you could theoretically shoot the passing ship, I think that most of them were container ships but I know there was a gas terminal somewhere not too far away so an automatic rifle hurling 7.62 at a floating gas cylinder probably isn't great for the local landscape.
But what if I want to see a big fireball? It could be fun
It’s so interesting to think that the best way to prevent someone from doing something
Is to make it not impossible
But as logistically impractical as possible
People who want to do something want to do it easy
And it would be a lot of work to hurt someone through this range and even then
It’s such an impractical way to do it
As someone who has been shooting for over 40 years, that's damn good shooting for someone who has never shot before. Especially considering the distance and use of iron sights! Good shooting Tom!
The fact he's laying down helps though, right? (not saying Tom isn't a good shot, but it helps?)
I'm genuinely curious as I've never shot anything in my life so I have zero reference for how hard it is to shoot
@@agustinvenegas5238 getting used to using iron sights is already difficult. It’s NOT like just putting a dot on a target.
That is true, considering Tom is not - I repeat: NOT - a sleeper agent for the KGB. Oh you thought they were disbanded? Good!
@@agustinvenegas5238 Laying down while shooting does indeed make you much more likely to hit your target well as it is much more stable than standing up or shooting from a crouching position. You can compete in many different ways of shooting, at very varying distances. What's a good score in one competition might be a rather disapointing score in another because of the varying difficulty. All competitions are equally difficult though, as your competitors have just the same situation as you.
Those diopter sights are really good for that sort of shooting
Didn't expect the target feedback system thats just this casual super complicated air pressure system measured with microphones
Edit: thanks for telling me its not complicated, but im gonna stay amazed
It is nearly standart in all swiss shooting ranges, where you shoot at a range of 300m.
I had this exact thought, it's so cool!
It not only tracks the position of the shot. It also checks if the shot was fired from the right booth. So if i shoot from booth 7 to target 8 the shot wont be recognised. This is also done with microphones
It's not complicated at all, that's one of the reasons it's such a good idea.
@@felixmerz6229 True, quite simple technically, but way more complex to set up than just eyeballing where the bullet hole is with your eyes.
That target updating system is genius. Honestly that range is awesome!
That is a brilliant setup. We need that kind of thing here in the states. No paper to put up and nobody has to walk the range. Super safe.
You should check out the German city of Munster, Lower Saxony (NOT Münster!). The German army (Bundeswehr) has two military training areas north and south of the city which they use to fire long range artillery over the city. When you're in the city, you can see the projectiles flying over you and hear the distant sound of warfare, very idyllic.
Also very idyllic is the chemical dump right next to the city.
"very idyllic" hehe
That's so cool
I wish Tom does a video on this.
seriously? somebody please make a video of it!
I'm not surprised they've had no incidents. Rule following runs deep in Swiss culture.
Well it's also almost impossible for them to have a down range accident as they already disclosed
let me tell you, its really not, at least not during covid. i feel like we have some of the loudest anti-sense covid deniers
@@77Beneboy That's exactly what I wanted to say.
Well one of the best places in the world to live.
The substantial 'demographic' differences are also a major factor
Your opening statement is CLASSIC!
As an American, I'm jealous of a country where decisions are based on facts and a rational calm acceptance of the facts, rather than the raw emotions that politicians can inspire from the lowest common denominator based on optics.
You mean like banning organised racing because of one accident that occurred in another country? That's Switzerland. The same nation that is debating tightening its gun laws to "EU standards" despite being one of the safest nations in the world for it and many EU nations being far more dangerous.
You elected those politicians. Take responsibility.
@@johnn17golf you literally bear no responsibility if you didn't vote for them.
@@ForOne814 You're just as responsible if you chose not to vote.
Anyone who voted Trump voted for the destruction of the USA. Anyone who still supports trump is a traitor to their country.
Sadly, no such places exist.
Weapons laws (weapons in general, not just firearms) are universally idiotic. I have yet to find a jurisdiction where this isn't the case. As near as I can tell, politicians for the most part seem to realize that they don't understand the subject and need expert testimony to help them out - but for some reason government institutions have an uncanny ability to find "weapons experts" that are just shockingly incompetent.
The fact that the cows are just chillin there next to a busy road and a shooting range
It seems like you've never been to India 😂
In switzerland cows are everywhere
Those cows probably own their own service rifles too
Bertha be like 'them flies are fast yo...'
There's a reason why Swiss cheese has holes in it...
i love how Tom delivered the line "you will very rapidly not be holding a rifle anymore"
@Hexahectaenneacontakaiheptagon A sociaty that self polices itself is how we have lived for millenia.
n.b. Couldn't you have picked a shorter user handle ?
@@trespire hm yes self polices itself, I hope you understand how redundant that is, and it’s society, also the very definition of a society is a community of people that are policed by something different then.
Hello fellow geometric username
@@trespire I looked it up. Something about Colorado and 627 sides.
@@Havron ah yes, shapes, the best type of username
Those little screens showing where you hit is really cool.
I love your opening statements - finally a Brit that gets it. Hats off to you, Tom!
Wow. The coolest part of the range is the electronic targets. I was wondering at the beginning of the video “how do the targets work? Do they have to travel across the road to set up paper targets? Are the targets metal and get spray painted over so you can see bullet impacts?” Using pressure waves to triangulate the bullet impact is by far way more satisfying. It tickles my engineer brain.
In the older days you had Humans under the Targets sitting on a chair. If the shots were shot they stood up and inspected the Target and covered the holes or changed the Target. After that they waved a colored Flag depending on the Pointring you hit.
@@Floodinator You still have that at Bisley in the UK!
They had a similar system, but smaller of course, when I was shooting BB-guns as a kid.
GPS, Gun-shot Positioning System
We had these same targets for training in the Army
This method for calculating accuracy is quite ingenious.
Indeed. It's mentioned like it's nothing and I kept thinking about it when the video ended.
@@tomorrow2 do you know what this system is called? id like to look it up, very interesting.
The same concept is used to calculate the epicentre of earthquakes
Indeed very interesting but definitely not the most brilliant thing humans have achieved.
@@participantx Triangulation
Very Green wastes no paper.
it's super cool how they have those electronic targets that you can see next to you
I went to a shooting range in Switzerland when I was young, it was a great experience, seemed very safe.
Tom shooting a rifle looked like something out of a dream. Feels like I'm going to wake up tomorrow and not be sure if this was a video or not
If this turns out to be a dream, I will be very very mad
@@wiraydh this is a dream
@@wiraydh this is a dream
@@wiraydh this is a dream
I have a deja vu on 3:25
I love the descripition of the place: "about 2 hours from zürich".. this applies on the whole country 😂
Except some parts of Zürich, depending on traffic.
@@RFC-3514 Damn q
I live on the "Röstigraben", I take a ~1.5 hours train ride to Zürich 🤣
* by train
Not Samnaun
Nothing like eating lunch and watching some Tom Scott. One of my favorite past times.
From the sky it looks dangerous, but the concrete barrier makes sense. Our gun range here in the states has a similar feature, but 10 feet above the ground to prevent stray rounds from going into neighboring homes' yards since our club is in the middle of a residential area. We were there before the houses, but we take great care to protect our neighbors.
I do take issue with them saying it's impossible for bullets to go through that because mighty immediate thoughts were several weapon systems that could absolutely Pierce through that concrete, however, if he said it's impossible for small arms to fire a bullet through that then I would have agreed
I was wondering how often a shot hits the wall. Fairly rare I suppose.
@@the_undeadHe probably meant it in the sense that "None of the weapons we ever use here would" kinda way.
@@the_undead they ain't gonna let you in with .50 cal there, that is obvious, so yes, for the weapons allowed there he was correct.
@@Sig509 even .50 would get you like. 1 inch of concrete pen.
I used to love Tom's old videos being a computer science and linguistics nerd myself, and years ago I was conflicted with all the seemingly random subjects for his new videos. But it really grew on me, and it's great seeing him adventuring and showing a lot of interesting stuff from around the world in bite sized quality videos.
"I used to love Tom's old videos" oh no
This video was a bit boring. Not much story or history to it.
@@oswinoswald131 Pineapple flashbacks.
You don't learn if you're not learning about everything
I think it was a great transition to specific nerdy video to niche but broad subject. I loved his videos then, and I love his videos still.
Another great episode!
This is a great video about responsible gun ownership. Loved learning about the firearms culture in another country!
As a lieutenant in the Swiss army this video is very accurate. We don't mess around with gun safety.
As a soldier of the swiss military i know this is only true wenn there is no amunition or offcers around
Most gun owners in general don't. The fastest way to have your guns taken away is to misuse them.
@@HalcyonVoid Unfortunately, that’s sadly not common here in the States. For individuals with proper training or instruction, its true, but the overwhelming majority of gun owners here had zero instruction beyond what their Uncle Cletus told them while shooting at road signs.
@@comet2085 Things go mostly well in Finland too, but it's always fun to train your golf swing loading when officers aren't around
I was wondering what would happen if I would hit the wall (for whatever reason). Sure, the wall is thick enough for the projectile to not penetrate it.
So the question I have is how far and in which directions could a projectile bounce off the wall? Isn't there still a chance for a "freak accident"?
All fun and games till a cartoon circus drives through town with a comically tall giraffe poking out the top of the caravan.
But, really, with the way things have been lately it's reassuring to see a place where being sensible just... works.
Great video :)
Most countries have height maximums for vehicles, so I imagine when applying for an oversize permit for the giraffe, they would close the shooting range 😁
A lot of countries prohibit live exotic animals in circuses due to the horrible conditions they are typically held in. Not sure about Switzerland but it might not be allowed there.
@@questioner1596 Good point! The animators will be relieved.
@@TheArilin realy thight laws so now practicly imposible
@@questioner1596 how would they know though? It’d be very easy for that to slip between the cracks
Ive been staying here for the past week and drove past this shooting range thought i recognised it! Such a stunning area for it to be in too.
This is possibly one of the dopest or if not the dopest gun range I’ve seen.. I would love to test my marksmanship at this range !!! Freaking awesome
Whoever wants to shoot at passing cars doesn't need to be at a shooting range to do so.
this is the only fact that matters
@@DarthWillSmith Why would you say that? Imo this video had quite a few facts more interesting than that one.
@@Tzizenorec True, there are a lot of interesting facts in this video but on the topic of why people aren't going to the range to shoot at cars, in a country with compulsory military service where most soldiers who serve keep their weapons, this is the only argument you really need. If someone wanted to go down to that road and shoot at cars, they don't need the shooting range to do so.
@@Akiironzo well, they need ammunition to do so. Iirc you can't just buy ammunition in a store, you'd have to illegally smuggle it from the firing range
@@warwickthekingmaker7281 Correct
The cars are safe because they are neutral
hehe
Shouldn't they be in gear?
@@RatKeeperDude no they coast as switzerland has no beaches
You are very clever but this is insane.
how tf are you verified as world war ll
That's a fascinating setup for shooting. If you can predict the path of bullets, you can have them flying right past you without incident.
Hah, saw this video suggested for a while, but didn't realise it's about Switzerland. Thanks!
In Switzerland you can go to the "Jungschützen" which is the juniors (15-20y) section of those shooting ranges, for free! Teenagers learn how to shoot with the rifle you shot, stgw 90, over 300m. You also learn the most important thing, gun safety! It's very ingrained in our society, everyone I know that owns a gun has the necessary training and respect. Back when I was still a member of the shooting range, around 17 years old, I would have my personal assault rifle at home, but we would leave a piece (Verschluss idk the word in english) and the ammunition at the shooting range. I would walk through the main train station and would ride the train with the rifle on my back to go to the shooting range. No one ever bat an eye.
That's very cool. Switzerland has by far the best aditude and policies on firearms that I've ever seen.
Verschluss = Breach or Breachblock :)
@@FlexDB nice, now I know 😊 thanks!
Back in the nineties where I lived, they would take the whole rifle home. They also didn't seem to check if anybody had some ammo on them when they left.
@@frankmeyer1473 ohh wow! I don't think they checked if we took any either but honestly I never would've dared to take. It's just such a big no go, I think everyone would feel ashamed if someone was caught doing that. I was barely allowed to take an empty one home, I thought it would make a cool necklace pendant. Was cool with 17, I guess haha.
I was there a few years ago. I even walked alongside the line of the shooting and listened to the bullets whizzing by with their loud supersonic booms.
That must've been awesome... somewhat grimm and war like, but awesome nonetheless.
Hey I remember that video from you going to shoot guns in Switzerland
I didn't expect to see you here haha
Hi
I saw the title of this video and immediately remembered the video with you and Bloke on the Range!
Common sense, math, tech, courtesy and respect put to good use. Very cool set-up
That’s so cool! Brilliant targets
"Two hours from Zurich". Half of Switzerland is within two hours of Zurich. Just say, this place is about half an hour from Bern. ;)
but at what speed .... ?
@@Kyrelel at exactly 120 km/h plus 3 km/h of tolerance
@@georgobergfell accurate
@snooby66 at normal Highway Speed 120kmh or 74mph (Switzererland is only 350km Long)
@@georgobergfell 5km/h with most speed cameras, the 20 CHF for a ticket when it's not the case isn't that bad
I was a gun owner and enthusiast for 40 years, and I had never heard of these electronic targeting systems. I am very impressed that the acoustic method described works with such precision.
you arent anymore? why?
@@ottersirotten4290 Well, i cant say for sure, but i know a lot of people eventually as they get older get rid of guns as they are expensive to shoot, and peoples physical abilities may not allow them to get out and hunt or go to the range to shoot as often.
I was a Marine stationed near San Diego that had setup a little bit more advanced than this that ranged between 100 out to 500 yards.
I used to work for a major telecoms company headquartered in Illinois (you can probably google which one >.>!).. In many US states, they have microphones planted at major intersections in cities whereby the local police authorities can use this mic system to triangulate gunshots to specific city blocks, often times specific buildings. Of course, this is essentially a larger scale version of what is going on with these sensors, but it just goes to show how sound wave propagation is a sound (excuse the pun) method of determining a point position.
Shot finders using microphones has been common tech for over a decade. Military uses it to find threats. Police use it in cities to monitor gang activity etc
I just love how there are cows behind the shooting wall, just chilling.
swiss gun etticate is truly fascinating, safety over everything, I love it
It's amazing how the concept of this place could be deemed extremely irresponsible and dangerous, but because of the sheer amount of respect and willingness to follow the rules, it is probably the safest gun range ever.
I thought the point is to scare the users into following rules. The word "lawsuit" is enough to put the heebie-jeebies into anyone. 😁
@@largol33t1 The Swiss don't have as much of a contrarian attitude as, say, Americans; you will generally see them following the rules out of respect rather than needing to have a fear motivator like lawsuits.
And a big wall.
Is this the only place in the world where no one sneezes?
@@justinfiorini3142 More seriously; that's what the foot-thick wall of concrete is for; since only certain types of bullets are allowed to be fired at this range, if its able to make it over the wall it would safely pass over the road without endangering motorists.
You struck a commendably even-handed tone, as ever, Tom. Well done.
Agree. I just hope that technical measures don't dominate the discussion here. Culture makes a big difference too. Gun worship, guns as a symbol of masculinity and power, gun marketing, gun politicization, mental health in general: all are very different in Switzerland. If America could aspire to a pre-Columbine culture, on both sides, then gun control would be less of an issue.
@@jimcrelm9478 Unfortunately that's impossible with NRA lobbying for gun manufacturers (instead of gun owners). The more fear they monger (on both sides), the more profits (and deaths) they result in.
Guns are not a symbol of power they are a tool. Culture in a nation of 300 million is not monolithic either.
@@snowballeffect7812 How does the NRA lobbying gun manufacturers result in more deaths exactly?
@@jaysoto1182 they've fought vehemently to prevent closing the gunshow loophole, which is how a lot of firearms are legally sold to illicit weapons' dealers and have impeded attempts for waiting periods and mental health being part of background checks. The ease of access to a weapon also leads to increased suicide rates. The NRA used to actually advocate for gun owners, but they're now only manufacturer lobbyists. They'll drum up fear when dems are in power, causing weapon and ammo sales to skyrocket. Then during repub terms, they consolidate power and ensure manufacturers are protected from potential lawsuits. They've been very good at their job, until recently when it turns out the ceo was siphoning money off the top for himself.
Culture is never a monolith, but it's clearly different how we venerate firearms compared to anywhere else in the world. There are literally more weapons than people, with nearly 400,000 of them unregistered (that is more than most countries have total). We literally value access to firearms are a more important right than access to food, water, housing and definitely healthcare. Obviously not everyone thinks this is the right way to do things, but clearly not enough people think differently enough to change any of this.
There is clear evidence that access to a firearm increases successful suicide rates, which is the majority of gun deaths in the US. Instead of coming anywhere near trying to address this problem, instead the NRA got the CDC banned from even studying gun violence as a morbidity factor.
That's awesome, love it
thats an awesome range , love it
"I'm British, I'm not exactly qualified." -Tom Scott
I like your profile picture
Uncharacteristic self-awareness for a Brit...
@@eliharman True. It’s never stopped them before.
@@eliharman I think you Might need to work on your own after watching some of your vids
I wish more British people knew how ignorant they were on the subject of guns... Looking at you Piers Morgan and John Oliver
Tom before discovering coffee: "Welcome to the world's only paddle-through McDonald's"
Tom after discovering coffee:
😂
If this is what coffee does to him, I'd hate to see him after an energy shot.
Someone ruined the 666 likes
Tom is really learning all of the hobbies. Caving, coffee tasting, shooting... he's got something big planned.
😂 😂
This is not the only shooting range in Switzerland that goes over a street. In the town where I live there is a shooting range where you shoot on the side of a hill, over a valley 300m wide and the targets are on the hill on the other side of the valley.
Also, when I was 13 years old my whole class helped at a shooting competition to write down the points of the shooters and control their licences. It was a good way to earn money and it was completely normal for the parents to let us work there, like any other job for teenagers. Everybody new that it was completely safe. There were even some kids our age shooting.
The longer I watched the more impressed I got, there's a lot we can learn from the Swiss
Wath "Bloke on the Range" YT videos. A Brit living in Switzerland. Also, his mate "Chap" (Anglo-French-Swiss), takes part in the Videos as well. They also have interaction with Ian McCulloch of "Forgotten Weapons" YT videos.
@@petergaskin1811 excellent recommendation. I quite enjoy his vids as well
"You will very rapidly not be holding a rifle anymore" made me chuckle
Same XD. Just imagined someone standing up and then wondering where their rifle went, to turn around and see three people about to throw them out.
i like how forced pg it was
@@2KOOLURATOOLGamingYears of Academy training wasted!
And if you were the least bit mouthy I would add unconscious to the equation.
The classic British love of understating.
this is just an excuse for Tom to write his shooting trip off from taxes.
why did I read it as texas
In England we don't have that. Our national tax is based on income and property ownership but the government works it out for us. We get a letter either once a year (or once a month depending on what you choose). VAT is usually already on the item when we buy it IE on the shelf it's a pound for a can of coke, the cashier rings it up, we pay 1 pound
@@Hensch me too
@@finintuk sorry mate I'm 16 and only know the basics. I have no clue about Starting your own company. Cheers school!
@@Hensch Same here 😂
This is awesome!!!
I'm just amazed of how legible his speech was. I almost didn't need the subs. I'm Norwegian with English as my second language.
I got invited to this range when I was an active German Bundeswehr reservist. Shooting across the road was something I did not expect. It was a fun day though. Also the hidden bunkers in the mountains are a brilliant sight. If you visit Switzerland and are interested in military stuff you should visit one.
Hattest du die Möglichkeit dir die Betonwand anzuschauen? Ist es wirklich unmöglich den Schuß so abzufeuern, dass das Projektil an der Oberkante der Mauer abpralt und in einem nach unten gerichteten Winkel auf die Straße stürzt (Trudeln)?
Is it open to the public?
I remember a traffic stop in Switzerland while jet fighters taxied from underground hangars on one side of the road to the runway on the other. I guess that's just what happens in a country with limited level terrain in the valley floors.
Waiting for an adolf account to reply about visiting switzerland.
@@Anno_Nymouse weiss nicht, aber ich denke nicht das betton gut in schuss abprallen ist
There is a range like this where i live, but its over a river where people can swim and kayak. as far as i know its impossible to get an angle to shoot one of the swimmers, even if you tried. you'd have to jump off the wall of the range after climbing it and land in the drink, then start shooting and you are way out of "accident" territory at that point. People still hate the range though because the backdrop is a berm and not a baffle that catches the lead. that means lead leaches into the water over years :(
must be an easy problem to fix
I can get the complaints. It's not the shooting or that it's over the water. It's just that there's no consideration of what happens after the shooting is done.
@@falahati how you envision that ?
@@harrickvharrick3957 build a better backdrop? build a small ramp to pervent lead getting into the water? all these are cheap solutions.
what is this place called :o
we have one here too, normal shooting range have various stages up to 200 meter, but those using mouser had to shoot from the 350 meter, which was through the forest, over a road everyone use to daily driving and there was a raised ground/hill and then smashed down logs so people could lie down and shoot, but they were about 10 meter above the road in total when shooting to the targets on the range....also, I think it was only those who were in the Home Guard which i guess is similar to USA national guard? or what those people in rambo 1? civilians with some some training with military arms that will assist military if something happens
...same situation in my little swiss village. A few months ago i was walking the street home and suddenly a bang and --swoooooosh--
a few meters above my head i heard the passing bullet...it took me a second to remind myself...ahh, the boys are playing again...
Toms last statement was such an incredible point, and expressed perfectly.
Edit- I think I've started a war or something.
But it doesn't apply in the US gun argument. This is not even close to what gun owners in the States want. This is something most countries already have-- safe gun ranges.
@@bokchoy9294 Trust me, I know.
@@bokchoy9294 switserland dose also have a high amount of privately owned firearms, tho the requirements for getting one is much higjer than in the us.
In the US, the vested interests hammered exclusively on "the right to bear arms", just so everyone will ignore the bit about 'well-regulated'. This video? This is well-regulated. It is the responsible exercise of a right that makes it worthy of not being infringed.
@@Ealsante it's OK to be wrong your only human
"you very rapidly, will not be holding a rifle anymore"
Never gotten goosebumps from Tom...
I mean similar with firing ranges I've been to, people who take guns seriously don't tolerate dumbassery when the outcome can be so grave.
@@NighttimeNubbs Yea it's the same here in the US as there. There are virtually zero incidents of purposeful shootings at ranges... it'd be suicide. And they also don't f*ck around here with newbies not following the safety rules to the T. At my range, one small mistake gets you permanently banned for life. They have a whole 'box of shame' of membership cards they took from people, sitting behind the counter.
@@grobbs666 but we’re not discussing purposeful shootings but accidental ?
@@user-re4mw3ne3l Well they go together insofar as the prerequisite is serious violations of safety rules. Both accidentally and purposefully shooting someone requires a gun to be pointed at another person for example.
I know, right? 😯
That design is actually genius
New bucket list item
Those grazing cows thinking: "Those humans are at their thunder-sticks again"
I like to think if cows do think like that, their internal monologue is still like:
"Mooooooo.... moo..."
There are ranges in Switzerland that have cows grazing above the targets. Raise the gun up by about 3-4 inches and you would hit them.
Funny enough, that's what I how I refer to rifles, most of the time. "Donnerstock", meaning thunder-stick.
We have deer on our range regularly. We have had to stop shooting due to deer standing in front of the 300 yard berm
They are possibly thinking: "Nice how quiet it is here down in the valley. One can't sleep up on the Alp when the army is shooting it's artillery right in to the rock beneath us all night. Even the cupboards of the herdsman were shaking up there." True story, I was herding cows in the Swiss mountains at age 14 together with my 15 year old boss. Teenagers sleep better than adults and we were naturally quite happy to leave the parents down in the valley and run the farm on our own terms :-)
I love how everyone is talking about the cars but no one is commenting in the entire cattle farm pasture right before that. Just has a bunch of cows Vibing right below a shooting range. Oddly serene.
Cows never care about anything in less it gets in the way of their food, which is everywhere. My buddy's property is a cow farm, we have to wait for the cows to shove off every so often, as the rifle fire doesn't concern them in the slightest.
Worst case scenario.. _"free burgers tomorrow"_
@@LostShipMate firing a weapon near to livestock is not the same as having a high velocity round passing over their heads. If you've never served in the military and had to pull targets on the range during qualification and marksmanship training, its quite an experience to hear the loud "crack" as the bullet breaks the sound barrier above your head and then you see the hole it made in the target.
@@jeffburnham6611 I don't see any steers in the trenches.
"Vibing" is a brand now? When did that happen?
the algorithm has been shoving this video down my throat for 11 months
"Shoving it down your throat" you mean displaying it on a screen you can easily scroll past? That's a very intense way of describing it, it's just a video.
@@fyrusgrey5153 mayonnaise
4:30 "You will very rapidly not be holding a rifle anymore." - Best line ever Tom
And that's why you don't take away guns. lights out, goodnight.
@@kod593 Wrong story.
@@kod593 The situation being discussed literally involves taking away someone's gun. And with the highly regulated nature of this venue, they aren't going to simply hand it back to you. There will probably be paperwork, retraining, maybe a meeting with some government officials....
Channelling a bit of historymatters
Dunblane massacre: 17 dead; 15 injured. Only legally held firearms used. Britain's worst mass shooting.
If guns are available - and they never need to be - someone, sometime will use them.
This is definitely not the only shooting range that goes over a road in Switzerland. These installations are all over the place and many shoot over some sort of public space
I'm interested. What's the solution for sound pollution. Roads makes sense, but over other public spaces. Supersonic bullet going above you makes a fairly annoying and loud sound.
Are you from Switzerland? I’m curious if you’re only allow to discharge your firearms at the range or if you have enough property you can do it at home?
@@TealJosh there are sound barriers around similar to ones you might find around highways, since most of the noise is made at the gun. plus at least the army rifle is not as loud as one might think after even just 100m .
@@solless2504no one has ammo at home
@@solless2504 In theory on private property when you can ensure that you can't accidentally hit someone (fencing, warning signs, etc.), you don't have neighbors that mind the noise, manage environmental impact, etc., then yes. Practically it's very unlikely that you have such big and remote private land around here where this works out, Switzerland is not that big :)
That is a shocking range but also so very very cool
Oooh, that shooting range calls for a road trip. Thanks! It just saddens me a little bit that you cannot shoot standing up. But I love the target hit visualization.
Tom Scott talking about Swiss safety rules. Nothing can hurt me now.
Unfortunately, this video is inherently political (in the US at least) since neither major political party is interested in safety reform. Many Democrats are interested in abolition (not all) and most Republicans are interested in the expansion of gun ownership rights. Calling either party out gets frowns from both sides.
@@june4135 or you can find thst the existence of guns is not inherently political, but bringing up any sort of US politics is what makes it political.
@@burstvgc existence is political
@@june4135 this video isn't inherently political as it comes from a youtuber from the united kingdom and a video about one interesting swiss gun range
So... if you are surrounded by people with guns, you are not likely to misbehave... interesting, I knew there was a reason all these "gun free" zones have so many shootings.
"This range is genuinely 100% safe otherwise it could never have been built"
Another bloke who knows the range ;-)
What about if a bullet skims the top of the wall and loses velocity and falls into a car
@Robert Swann You underestimate the velocity of a round. I bet if you go outside and throw a .308 cartridge as hard as you can at a car window it will shattter it.
@@out_on_bail Skimming the top of the wall would cause it to ricochet upward and completely miss the road.
@@aryanpashtun416 I can guarantee you that you can't throw a .308 BULLET (the part that leaves the barrel) hard enough to even crack a windshield or side window. A .308 bullet weighs around 9 to 11 grams. the 5.56 bullets they were shooting are much lighter and would love energy much faster after grazing a concrete wall, not to mention using aerodynamics from deformation, making it slow even faster, and most likely not hit directly point-on.
Wow you are an amazing shot. I’m sure the guy who worked there was surprised!
Wow, now I understand 😂 ! I drove on this road, in holiday a few weeks ago going to Luzern, and I increduly noticed the targets ahead my car on the left. Then I carefully looked backward on the other side (I was driving) looking for, and I seen the stands. At that time I thought "well they must close the road sometime to be able to shoot" and find it crazy, thought nobody will trust me back at work in France. Reality is even more crazy!
Funnily enough, this range is not unique in Switzerland for shooting over an active road. There are plenty more, for example the ones of Chrüzegg (near Menzingen, ZG) and Grynau (near Tuggen, SZ). It is always interesting driving under them in a convertible, when you can really notice the shots being fired overhead.
Those are safe too right? And does it feel kinda cool like your in an action movie?😎
go to switzerland for the holidays
come back
friends asking how was it?
you respond with: they were shooting at me
Came here to say that. Gruess us wattwil
dude, in the area of Pilatus (Mountain) in Schwarzenberg, there is a really crazy one. you can allmost touch the bullets which are flying through the air overhead.
Literally pass under the one near Tuggen twice a day in a bus. Sometimes when i look at it i hope they calculated for higher vehicles😅
I like how even when the people that appear in tom's videos know at least some english, tom still makes the effort to find a translator while they can use their native language on the interview. as a non-native english speaker, i know that i would be way more comfortable in front of the camera if i don't have to be worrying about having an accent or messing up words, etc. and i appreciate that
I wouldn't have ever guessed you weren't a non-native had you not said, your writing is literally native level, probably even a bit better than your average English speaker tbh 😅
Yet you're still self critical.
What's your mother tongue? (if you don't mind me asking). You have a great attitude to language learning.
Everyone has an accent 🤷♂️
actually they weren’t speaking there native language but german. i am a swiss and if they would speak swiss german it would have bean almost impossible to translate it to english
@@bobfranklin2572 kinda late but thank you!! my native language it's spanish, i've been spending most of my time on the english-speaking side of the internet for a few years now though so that's probably why
Cool video !
You should do a shooting video article about UK gun culture. It's quite amazing how different it is between countries based on history, law and culture. There is a growing scene in the UK although it is unfortunately still a hidden scene due to only seeing negative press in the public eye.
Is it really growing? That's a positive given how small it is. Firearms history in the UK is fascinating given how unrestricted the general populace has been since before the 1900s. Except if you were a Jacobite in Scotland.
Amazing how the microphones measure where the bullet hit!
Military vehicles also use microphones to state the direction of just one bullet flying by.
Triangulation is really fun when you start to think about it.
It's the Sius Ascor system they use all over Europe. Very expensive but very accurate.
There are some open-source projects with microphones and a raspberry pi which do the trick as well, if you happen to own a range and don't want to fork out money for a Sius Ascor (which is German and thus very user-unfriendly designed).
Study engineering. You’ll do cooler things.
agree, that was a very interesting detail. I was wondering how they could measure the hit without having something get hit by the bullet.. and audio's the way!
The YT channel BlokeontheRange shoots at that place IIRC. He's done vids on this place as well as others. I commend you for stepping outside your comfort zone on a regular basis for our enjoyment.
Yep! that's where I learned about this place.
Yep, the moment I saw this video I immediately recognised it from his videos!
Didn't Bloke say this range was going to be shut down at some point?
@@minerat27 hahaha me too
@@beetooex I do remember a video from that range but nothing about closing in the near future, but there's also a video on the range in Gimmelwald (a really old one that closed in 2020 with manually rope pulled targets and such). Maybe you mixed those two up?