DO WE KNOW THE GENDER? REVEAL? NEW CAR? (ANSWERING ALL OF THE JUICY QUESTIONS)

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  • čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
  • Answering a ton of the most asked questions about this pregnancy! We talk about our gender preferences and predictions, gender reveal, a new car, finishing the basement, and getting a vasectomy!!!
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Komentáře • 251

  • @shelleymullen8403
    @shelleymullen8403 Před 4 měsíci +34

    This is the Ben comedy hour. I couldn't stop laughing a laughing. He is a riot.

  • @sarahschalk5525
    @sarahschalk5525 Před 4 měsíci +104

    Make sure you voice it at every appointment that you don’t want to know the gender!!!! Sometimes they let it slip unless you remind them you want it to be a surprise

    • @jay-eve
      @jay-eve Před 4 měsíci +3

      Yes i did this before every ultrasound and my doctor still said he at 37 weeks thankfully me and my husband were to busy listening to the heart beat she was like oh thank god i almost ruined it

    • @mrs.p6128
      @mrs.p6128 Před 4 měsíci +8

      Yes! Remind the ultrasound tech, your doctor and the staff. My OB slipped because he hadn’t been reminded (since he delivered my first and I didn’t want to know then, I assumed he’d remember 🤦🏻‍♀️). Anyway it was when I asked about the heart rate and he said “his” heart rate is fine. I never told another soul what the doctor had done…when they said “it’s a boy” during the c-section, I was too out of it to react 😂 so it all worked out.

  • @christinem9280
    @christinem9280 Před 4 měsíci +21

    Thank you for doing a g&a about baby!! I am so excited to keep being on this journey!! I am hoping for a baby boy but healthy baby is all we pray for!!

  • @moriahkats6775
    @moriahkats6775 Před 4 měsíci +11

    I think you guys are will be so happy for waiting to find out. Everyone I know that has waited, said it's the most magical thing.

  • @AniaTworzy
    @AniaTworzy Před 4 měsíci +4

    this video is such a vibe! love to see you feeling better Katie!

  • @shelleybaker2358
    @shelleybaker2358 Před 4 měsíci +19

    Ben is such a great girl dad. I am excited for you all!

  • @kellyevans3040
    @kellyevans3040 Před 4 měsíci +8

    Congratulations on your 4th pregnancy, my daughter is currently 3weeks old (first baby) and I didn’t find out the gender until birth, best decision of my life. There aren’t many surprises in life, so was nice to have a surprise. x

  • @jojoteague4234
    @jojoteague4234 Před 4 měsíci +2

    My husband told me when I was pregnant it's one of the few surprises you get in life. It was hard waiting but so exciting. Our daughter was our first and only child. I'm so glad we waited to know.❤

  • @veronicacastaneda8865
    @veronicacastaneda8865 Před 4 měsíci +5

    This video had so much personality!! I love it! Haha

  • @abbytaylor9948
    @abbytaylor9948 Před 4 měsíci +5

    💙 been waiting for this video!!

  • @lydiaweiler6763
    @lydiaweiler6763 Před 4 měsíci +10

    My husband and I have three kiddos and all three have been surprise genders. I can’t put into words how special it is for your husband to tell you what the gender is right after baby is born 🤍 best moment ever

  • @elainanuhfer32
    @elainanuhfer32 Před 4 měsíci +22

    Been watching for 4-5 years now and I just want to say congrats 🥳

    • @krissyhudak2716
      @krissyhudak2716 Před 4 měsíci +1

      I’ve been watching since before I was born so I was about to be six, so almost 6 years I don’t find very many people anymore that have been following along as long as I have.

  • @Crystalc8683
    @Crystalc8683 Před 4 měsíci +35

    Y’all have to do an old wives tale video. That would be interesting to see! Love yall & Congratulations!!

    • @nc6669
      @nc6669 Před 4 měsíci

      YES PLEASE !!!

  • @jazzyj4765
    @jazzyj4765 Před 4 měsíci +3

    We made our loft into an extra bedroom. Yes, it did take away the loft, but it looks really good.
    I think your first step should be to get an architect/contractor to come in and show you different options(with turning the loft into a bedroom and finishing the basement, how many rooms you'd like in the basement, if you want a full bathroom in the basement and the layout) that way, you'll get the cost for it all and then can decide what makes the most sense.

  • @ablec8256
    @ablec8256 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Hi! I'm also pregnant with my 4th and due in September! I have a boy and 2 girls and now I'm having another boy! Prayers and blessings to your family! 🩷

  • @debgustin3266
    @debgustin3266 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Congrats!!! So exciting!

  • @janicewatts4444
    @janicewatts4444 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I am really excited that you all are waiting. Almost 34 years ago we weren't able to find out so I didn't know. Was excited when I found out. God bless you😊

  • @nicolebrown1396
    @nicolebrown1396 Před 4 měsíci +2

    I’ve watched y’all since you were pregnant with Ella! I love y’all and wish you the best on this journey!

  • @kylajarocki1928
    @kylajarocki1928 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Fastest I’ve ever got to watch a video lol. Love your videos! So excited for baby #4!!

  • @Jmw1979.
    @Jmw1979. Před 4 měsíci

    This was cute video I can't wait to click when see u post everytime! Ur cute lil family n relatable ty for sharing ur life it means alot been following since start of channel

  • @eellieelouisee
    @eellieelouisee Před 4 měsíci

    So crazy I started watching your channel when you were pregnant with Ella, now you’re about to have your fourth. it’s been so lovely watching your family grow 🤍

  • @caitlyntotten6780
    @caitlyntotten6780 Před 4 měsíci

    I’ve been watching y’all since Avery was “bobo”, watching how much you guys have grown as people and family is truly amazing! Wishing nothing but the best for your family!!

  • @ChristineS-sf3rc
    @ChristineS-sf3rc Před 4 měsíci +6

    That was a fun Q+A... 😂
    All the best with all your planning...
    I can see Ben going wild if at birth they say: it's a boy...😂🎉
    But I know he is also fine with a girl..😊😊
    God bless you all and hope the pregnancy goes really well ❤
    ..

  • @pinklife-kristina3066
    @pinklife-kristina3066 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I have 3 sisters and we are ALL very close. I love saying my parents have 4 daughters. So I get wanting another girl. Now I had my son first and then 4 girls in a row and love it. I am so excited for y’all. Also I had a suburban and it was perfect for the entire family. I originally bought the expedition and immediately traded it for my suburban for the trunk space. You will love a suburban 💗💗

    • @janicemichaloski5292
      @janicemichaloski5292 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Honda Odyssey is nice if you are ok with vans the doors can be opened hands free with is great with kids and having hands full 😊

  • @annjimenezbrisbane
    @annjimenezbrisbane Před 4 měsíci +4

    Hope it's a boy for you. I hope you have a healthy labour and delivery and everything goes well. Congratulations again. Sending ❤ from Brisbane 🇦🇺

  • @madisonclark1189
    @madisonclark1189 Před 4 měsíci +3

    I love the goofiness in the video 😂

  • @brittanylabeau4410
    @brittanylabeau4410 Před 4 měsíci

    Also I could not wait till birth!! I had 4 kids and I had a hard time waiting the 13 weeks to find out let alone 40 weeks! I think it’s awesome that you guys are doing it!! ❤

  • @missteihalybertie
    @missteihalybertie Před 4 měsíci +2

    I love yall! My parents had a girl at 18 then me another girl at 20 then a girl at 25 then a boy at 27 so I'm rooting for yall!

  • @hadassahyarden4956
    @hadassahyarden4956 Před 4 měsíci

    Congrats! Been watching yall for years and love it! I just had a friend three days ago that gave birth to a boy after three girls! My sister had four girls and then a boy.... fingers crossed for you!!!!

  • @theresa9925
    @theresa9925 Před 4 měsíci

    Katie, I had my son in 1972 & did not have the option to find out the gender. Then...even though I didn't have a C-section, I was put to sleep right before my son was born. So, I was the last to find out what I had. To this day, I am so sad I didn't get to see him born. I think it will be so fun for y'all to wait & I am so excited for your sweet family!

  • @reidhayley
    @reidhayley Před 4 měsíci +1

    You guys are soo mature for your age!! ❤

  • @darlynrookes8812
    @darlynrookes8812 Před 4 měsíci +1

    So happy for you guys

  • @kimdekenipp8671
    @kimdekenipp8671 Před 4 měsíci

    Ben is so funny. So glad you guys are having another baby. All 4 of my kids were a surprise.

  • @joeyhummel3437
    @joeyhummel3437 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Finally got to watch a video right after it was posted

  • @robertandcourtneywarner3789
    @robertandcourtneywarner3789 Před 4 měsíci

    I am so excited that you are going to wait until birth! We did that for our first and it was so special! Make sure at each ultrasound and appointment you make sure that they know you do not want to know the gender. Because they may let it slip thinking that you already know or want to know because that is the norm these days.

  • @MrKatt618
    @MrKatt618 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Im actually so excited you're doing the surprise gender! I wanted to do that with my 3rd but then i just couldn't. If i have a 4th a really want to do it!

  • @cindywersinger1367
    @cindywersinger1367 Před 4 měsíci

    That’s the joy of being pregnant is having the surprise at the end.. I had 3 and didn’t know the gender of any of them but that’s the way it was back 45 yrs ago😊

  • @jodeming5088
    @jodeming5088 Před 4 měsíci

    I have watched you guy’s since the beginning. I have watched you grow up into awesome adults and parents. A healthy baby counts the most. This old lady believes this time it’s a boy!

  • @gretchenalcorn5336
    @gretchenalcorn5336 Před 4 měsíci +11

    Trade the Jeep. Ben needs the pickup to haul all your merch. Get a Sprinter van or a mini van! Congrats!!

    • @SamGab0905
      @SamGab0905 Před 4 měsíci

      Trade the jeep for a grand wagoneer!

  • @elisatrrn
    @elisatrrn Před 4 měsíci

    I'm glad you're waiting, you've talked about it for a while.

  • @rhdem1harris768
    @rhdem1harris768 Před 4 měsíci

    I LOVE my 2015 Yukon xl! Ours has two screens for movies while we travel and has captain seats in the middle row. I only have 2 boys, 2 & 4 years old right now but I there’s so much room to grow!

  • @krissyhudak2716
    @krissyhudak2716 Před 4 měsíci +3

    20:40 ben push present😂😂😂😂 just kidding you go, Katie I’m happy for you guys. I think four is a great number and I’m excited to see what gender the baby ends up being.

  • @corik1065
    @corik1065 Před 4 měsíci

    I am so excited for you to wait to find out gender because I can’t do it (I’m not strong enough) and I feel like I can live vicariously through your experience. 😂 I am so excited for this

  • @Justablonde
    @Justablonde Před 4 měsíci

    I KNEEEEW ITT!! I commented about a surprise gender and y’all gave me the little eyes…. Suuuper excited, it’s going to be sooo special!❤️❤️

  • @oliwialasiecka5530
    @oliwialasiecka5530 Před 4 měsíci

    Oh Katie what a suprise! Congratulations for baby 4 I do think we are at the same age still haha♥

  • @caitlynholowatiuk7271
    @caitlynholowatiuk7271 Před 4 měsíci

    the gmc yukon denali’s are perfecttt for a family of 6!! 10/10 recommend

  • @louisebourne5779
    @louisebourne5779 Před 4 měsíci

    Hi guys, when I was pregnant I could not wait to find out what I was having so I found out with all 4 of my pregnancies. I have 4 boys and part of me would have liked a girl but I was never disappointed I was just so pleased that they were all healthy. I’m so excited for you both on your last pregnancy. I get that you want to wait to find out the gender at birth so exciting. Sending lots of love to you all xxx🥰

  • @tracybublik8141
    @tracybublik8141 Před 4 měsíci

    I just love your family ❤❤❤❤

  • @krissyhudak2716
    @krissyhudak2716 Před 4 měsíci +23

    I knew they weren’t going to find out the gender until birth just knowing that this was probably almost 100% going to be there last baby they’ve said this before and one of their more recent other videos. Katie is done for was always their number basically at this point if they were to get pregnant, it would be completely by accident and probably would be after they’ve done some tournament thing to prevent it or something so would be like so unlikely. but I figured at this point they found out for all other babies. This is their last one. It just makes so much sense in my head.

  • @mariechernjavsky6817
    @mariechernjavsky6817 Před 4 měsíci

    I think I might have missed it but when is the official due date🥰🤍
    And congratulations! I've been here since you announced Avery💕I've loved watching your family grow, especially now that I have my own growing family😊🌼

  • @gracegander6090
    @gracegander6090 Před 4 měsíci

    “Snip, snip hooray” 😂😂

  • @alexacabello9625
    @alexacabello9625 Před 4 měsíci

    Honestly I was team girl for your youngest two (I came with Ella so I didn’t have to guess with that lol). I feel like this is the boy ben wants! But I could definitely see you guys as Girl mom/dad! And I cant wait to see the video of boy/girl names that you guys like now and then after the baby is born redo the video!
    Hoping for a healthy little baby full of love! And excited for all this baby videos that are coming!

  • @karinhritz9381
    @karinhritz9381 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Each child does not need to have their own room. You just put two girls in each room. Then you still have the play area upstairs. You can finish off the basement as they grow and want a place to hang out with their friends.

  • @laurendohlman8917
    @laurendohlman8917 Před 4 měsíci

    I think it’s very sweet you are waiting to find out the gender. I’m praying for good health for the baby and Katie!!

  • @Shellyp24
    @Shellyp24 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Congratulations can't wait to meet baby boy or girl or both 💕 💙

  • @BabyNatie12
    @BabyNatie12 Před 4 měsíci +3

    Best advice is when ella and Avery gets older to have their own room put them in the basement but run some cameras so that way you can see them from upstairs and then as they get older you could do the same for the other two kids run cameras, so that way you can see them in their room and you could be more at ease to know that there’s nothing wrong with them❤

  • @elizabethkoobs1060
    @elizabethkoobs1060 Před 4 měsíci

    I REALLY want to know the gender. Kudos to you guys for waiting, though. I'm a Birthing Center RN. The births with surprise gender are just so sweet and fun! Be sure to tell the staff present at delivery to NOT announce the sex. Let Ben do it! I'm so excited and happy for your family.🩵🩷

  • @dianadosch6282
    @dianadosch6282 Před 4 měsíci +3

    If I had a big family like you all I would look at the Jeep wagoneer.

  • @lowryfamily06fe
    @lowryfamily06fe Před 4 měsíci

    Check out the Toyota Highlander. 💗
    Excited for you both. I could never wait until birth but I think it’s a cool experience for those who do.

  • @rosegray9933
    @rosegray9933 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Love your videos

  • @raynagoertzen5365
    @raynagoertzen5365 Před 4 měsíci

    “Oh you have an extra long bed, we’ll be fine”-Katie “yeah I do”-Ben AHAHAHAHAHAHA the way he said that

  • @hammettgirl
    @hammettgirl Před 4 měsíci +1

    A surprise gender is the best present ever!!! You won't regret it! I didn't know any of my kids genders until they were born. Before ultrasounds 😂
    Of course if you have a boy then you'll have to have another one lol
    And a suburban or Yukon XL is the way to go!

  • @taylorkaufman4574
    @taylorkaufman4574 Před 4 měsíci +1

    My third i didnt find out the gender and it was really cool! I was so certain it was a girl and got girl stuff and it was a boy it took me weeks to soak in 😅 im glad i did it that way once but i wont do that again haha. I'm excited for you guys!! If it's another girl, you'll have what i grew up with. My mom had 4 girls, too! ❤

  • @bethrowlette8933
    @bethrowlette8933 Před 4 měsíci

    With that high of a heart rate..YOU ARE HAVING A GIRL!!!❤

  • @Sarassparkles
    @Sarassparkles Před 4 měsíci

    i love the waiting to find out the gender, my mom did that with me and all my siblings

  • @devenlamar3900
    @devenlamar3900 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I got a mercury mountaineer and lots of trunk space
    Also had a Durango and that was great because it had the hide seats so I could just have one seat up in 3rd row, what I needed and the other 2 down for extra space loved that feature.
    Your just going to have to go look and shop. If u find a great salesman like I had, he let me take each one for a test week to see if it was a fit for me

  • @shelly0801
    @shelly0801 Před 4 měsíci

    I had a feeling you weren’t going to want to find out the gender until birth. I’m so excited! September can’t get here fast enough! I think it’s another girl 💕

  • @Bayzaat
    @Bayzaat Před 4 měsíci

    Have a look at the Nissan Armada, it has a fridge too and good trunk space. I have one and can vouch for it. We did not like the Suburban at all.

  • @Janet-nn7ng
    @Janet-nn7ng Před 3 měsíci

    Have you checked out the kia Carnival, Justin and Rachelle, and Brad and Rache both got them with the expansion of their family. They also are You Tubers. Congratulations on your baby❤

  • @Musiccompletesmex3
    @Musiccompletesmex3 Před 4 měsíci

    When you said “if it was a boy we would be like woah wait what can you MAKE SURE and double check” that was literally me when my daughter was born after my two boys 🤣 I found out ahead of time with the blood test and the ultra sound both confirmed girl yet somehow I still didn’t believe it until I made my husband go over and check after she came out 🤣🤣 I guess that’s the shocking factor after having only one gender. It was such an unknown for me to have a girl after being a boy mom for 7 years and now I couldn’t be more happier and blessed with this beautiful little girl and my boys. I think you guys would be amazing boy parents as much as you are girl! Either way I honestly can’t wait to see how this baby looks considering how beautiful of a mix each girl looks like!! Also I had a 3 row SUV before I had 3 kids and it was so tight like my oldest trying to climb in the back and the double stroller barley fit in the trunk. We swapped it out for a van and it’s the best decision honestly especially where the doors automatically open it saves you when your carrying multiple kids and bags lol also the dvd player is a huge plus

  • @aprilkearby6963
    @aprilkearby6963 Před 4 měsíci

    One step at time guys 😊❤

  • @MalacH1Mclean
    @MalacH1Mclean Před 4 měsíci

    I loved my expedition!!!

  • @carlasmith5781
    @carlasmith5781 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Wating till have the baby you know Nice surprise

  • @chloecole2274
    @chloecole2274 Před 4 měsíci +2

    “You have an extra long bed”
    “Yea I do 😏😏”
    HAHAHAHAHAA

  • @SarahNoelN
    @SarahNoelN Před 4 měsíci +4

    Why don’t ya’ll give one of the kids your room and make your master bedroom dreams downstairs lol

  • @Dancegirl1322
    @Dancegirl1322 Před 4 měsíci

    I don’t want kids but I always said if I were to have a baby I would want a surprise gender. I hear it’s the best surprise in the world and I’ve never heard anyone regretting it

  • @skymandude5711
    @skymandude5711 Před 4 měsíci +2

    Okay I read some of your comments let them know each time you get checked you don't want to know. My first reaction is come on just fine out but I understand surprises are amazing 😊🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @jordinantonetti9723
    @jordinantonetti9723 Před 4 měsíci

    I had my fallopian tubes completely removed and it was an out patient surgery but I did it mainly because of my lupus and the “pain process” was only like 2 days very minimal pain and you don’t bleed or anything like a period the worst part for me was coming out of anesthesia and the gas they fill you up with

  • @ambermclemore5005
    @ambermclemore5005 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Ughhhh I wanna knowww I know it’s your sweet baby boy

  • @aquariusgirl737
    @aquariusgirl737 Před 4 měsíci

    Don’t forget roof racks and travel packs that attach to them for trips!

  • @elizabethpenner2954
    @elizabethpenner2954 Před 4 měsíci

    Now I just want to fast forward this video til when the baby comes to know what the gender is!🤣🤣
    I’m a boy mom and was so sure we had a girl with my last pregnancy and I was so hoping it would be but nope we had another boy.
    And we have all the girl names we love but now boy names.😅

  • @abbigayleschwebach2818
    @abbigayleschwebach2818 Před 4 měsíci

    Been watching since Ella.
    I’m currently 8 months pregnant and have a girl and boy and we are waiting till birth and it is sooooo hard to not find out!!!

  • @katesmith3899
    @katesmith3899 Před 4 měsíci

    This baby is a content baby for sure! Love you guys but 100% this baby is definitely just a content money maker baby!!

  • @ernestminnix468
    @ernestminnix468 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I say you should do the lape be while before you can move kids to basement

  • @hanahmcandrew8117
    @hanahmcandrew8117 Před 4 měsíci

    You should do the old wives tale predictions! I’m very curious on the ring on a string!!! It was right for my 2! 🎀&💙 circle is girl back and fourth is boy 🥹

  • @tabihover3972
    @tabihover3972 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Get a Toyota sienna perfect I have one and I love it, Katie you will love it too ?

  • @kiwimama2825
    @kiwimama2825 Před 3 měsíci

    It's an amazing to wait until birth you won't regret it I promise .I waiting until birth with my 3rd I got to tell everyone what the gender was such an amazing moment

  • @angelab-cj8yy
    @angelab-cj8yy Před 4 měsíci

    I LOvED our suburban … had a 3 year old when I gave birth to quadruplets …. (We actually started with a 15 passenger van… but that is another story)…. Highly recommend !

  • @majinfam752
    @majinfam752 Před 4 měsíci

    “What juicy questions? We’re pregnant.” 😂😂

  • @supersparkley123
    @supersparkley123 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Team Boy! 🩵💙🩵

  • @EmilyLxxxx
    @EmilyLxxxx Před 4 měsíci

    I’m in my first pregnancy and my husband and I decided not to find out the gender!! It’s so much fun not knowing! I love that you guys are doing it that way too!

  • @elizabethpenner2954
    @elizabethpenner2954 Před 4 měsíci

    Go with a ford expedition max. It has way for room then it looks like and way more then any other large suv. you will not regret it!!

  • @jourdanwalden
    @jourdanwalden Před 4 měsíci

    We love unhinged Ben 😂

  • @aprilkearby6963
    @aprilkearby6963 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Team boy 😊❤

  • @dinkywinkydog1311
    @dinkywinkydog1311 Před 4 měsíci +5

    When you get this basement done and realize that it’s not a scary if you think it is having kids down there and you have a living room down there your upper living room, end up being just for looks and everybody will live downstairs and it will be way less of a big deal than you think it is and you’re gonna wish you would’ve done it long time ago

    • @leanncelested1030
      @leanncelested1030 Před 4 měsíci +2

      If my kids are under the age of probably 10 I refuse to put them on a different floor than me! I just can’t do it!

  • @krissyhudak2716
    @krissyhudak2716 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I think part of that with the whole being able to find boy names you like, and not very many girl names you like is because you have three girls you’ve already named three girls, beautiful names, beautiful middle names, and now if you were to have a fourth one. It’s a little bit harder because you have to find a fourth name that you really really really like Even though it’s probably at this point not one of your top names because one of your other three girls has the top name. which is OK because every girls name fits them Ella‘s name that her Avery name fits her. Addie‘s name fits her so I think that it’s just harder to find a girls name because you already have three girls, but it will be interesting to see what ends up happening some of your symptoms you’re saying are definitely leading it to be a girl, but then there’s some other ones that have been known to be boy symptoms, so who knows I’m just happy for you guys.

  • @carleehodgins
    @carleehodgins Před 4 měsíci +1

    I’ve always wanted to wait till birth! My vote is girl!! haevyn for a girl or Noxx for a boy!!

  • @jillywilly27
    @jillywilly27 Před 4 měsíci

    We have a Subaru Acadia it is has 6 seats, my parents love it

  • @kimmoyer2891
    @kimmoyer2891 Před 4 měsíci

    I think a van would be your best choice. It would give you the extra space you definately will need with 4 kiddos and all you need for a baby. When travelling it makes more sense

  • @marciadichiara5688
    @marciadichiara5688 Před 4 měsíci

    My daughters are 37 and 41. We didn’t have ultrasounds so both babies were a surprise. To me especially. Husband one of four boys and assumed boy. I had one sister and really wanted to raise girls. We all are soooo close. One has a son and the other has son and daughter