After what Gibson has been doing to Dean this seems very justified. Like I keep saying, if you want a Gibson you go buy a Gibson, the Dean hanging on the wall probably isn't going to be much of a threat. As for PRS fighting over a name, It's petty but Gibson needs a taste of their own medicine.
When I read "Theodore" my mind went to the Chipmunks: Alvin, Simon, and Theodore. The name was kind of dumb but I liked the look of that tulip shaped guitar. It's something new!
PRS realized it's more embarrassing for Gibson to just keep producing this monstrosity than to fight it Gibson basically kicked McCarty to the curb and didn't care at all about him post 60s
I was in the local music store last week, this Gibson was sitting there, I picked it up, it actually felt ok in the hands and played nice, but it's super fugly, I also noticed a fair bit of finish checking on the back of the neck, kinda weird, the checking was coming from the binding but only where the side dots were. I have seen a lot of new Gibsons with finish issues.
Imagine fighting over the way a piece of wood is cut. Imagine fighting for the exclusive right to cut a piece of wood in a specific way. Imagine stepping on people you could have collaborated with just to have access to a different shape to cut wood in. Guitars are so stupid that normal people no idea.
Guitar companies suing others is pathetic! Especially as Gibson will sue a company for the single cut shape, like they did with PRS! If people can't tell the difference between them, then they are in a very small minority.
I’d imagine the McCarty estate should have the final say. Also it’s ridiculous that PRS thought they had a chance. Not only do the Theodore and McCarty models look nothing alike but if push comes to shove Ted McCarty’s legacy is with Gibson. Heck the only reason PRS cared about him was because his experience with Gibson. Also I’m a Fender guy and still highly respect PRS for what they contribute to luthier and guitar engineering.
Hi Phil, thanks for mentioning that the Leo Fender name, likeness and signature are property of G&L. It’s what Leo wanted and I try to honor his legacy the best I can. - Dave
And yet PRS decided to at least start action here in this case… Gibson didn’t MAKE them object to a guitar which has a person’s first name 🤷🏼♂️ It just shows that this is the kind of thing big companies generally have a tendency to do. I also don’t quite see how PRS gets credit for deciding to drop this issue after all… if they want the high ground over Gibson don’t make an issue of it in the first place.
I love the look of the Theodore, and from all accounts they feel and play great. Then again, I think the Moderne is absolutely awesome too. You can have your boring Les Pauls and Strats, I want something different.
"Readers' Digest version." I'm old enough to remember that, Phil. At my house growin' up there was always one on the toilet tank for a little sit-down reading.
When I saw the thumbnail pic and the "PRS and Gibson are fighting over this guitar" title, my thought was: fighting over what? Who gets to disown it the fastest? I think it's one one of the more uninspired and unattractive designs out there. YMMV
Gibson should fix their head stock and stop ripping off customers and suing smaller manufacturers. Those pickups and bridges are not good enough for the price. The fact that the epiphones sound pretty close should confirm this.
I think the McCarty family had a legal right since it’s his name and they used it without permission but now that Gibson lost to Dean recently in a countersuit by Dean and has millions of dollars to keep legal battles in limbo PRS probably decided to back off because of the cost of legal battles….but I also wonder if this was a strategic move by PRS since Gibson has been trying to sue various companies over silly issues. Gibson did use Ted name without permission on a new guitar unlike old guitars they didn’t patent and maybe this was a move to wake up Gibson and show others can play this game. But I may be assuming too much.
@@HunnysPlaylists That sounds like the start of an argument right there. Wood makes no difference. Plexiglas guitars sound the same as mahogany, and Maple guitars. Russ Ballard played a guitar made out of a solid billet aircraft aluminum when he was in Argent. Mark Farner played a Veleno guitar made almost entierly out of aluminum, after his Messenger started wearing out. The Messenger was largely metal. An aluminum neck with a tenon that was designed like a tuning fork. There you go. I await your rebuttal
@@onusgumboot5565 tonewood is denied for two reasons: 1) the "skeptic" community imploded and the remnant need new frontiers. 2) understanding tonewood requires abstract thinking (which is so hard-locked behind a high iq range that I think less than 30% of the population even qualifies for it).
@@onusgumboot5565 or example, the strings on a guitar operate conceptually similar to the diaphram on a microphone: turning vibration to sound. the common referain against tonwood is 90% "WOOD ISN'T ELECTRIC LOL" (showing the intllct of the skeptic), and 10% "it's all amp and pickups."
so McCarty designed the guitar while being employed by Gibson, Gibson used a name which was not trademarked by PRS , yeah sure they decided their time was better spend on something else (or in other words their lawyers told them that they would not going to win). And yes the guitar is ugly, as was the V, Explorer, Modern at one point
Gibson makes like 3 or 4 guitars worth buying. A J45, LP standard, SG standard and ES335. They been making the same shit since their start. Definitely a boomer company with no new innovations. I own 2 Gibson SG's They're ok.
The MIJ Epiphone Elitist guitars and basses from the early to mid 2000s were better quality instruments than the Gibsons from that time, which is probably why Gibson quit making them. The instruments were equipped with Gibson USA pickups, CTS pots and Switchcraft jacks.
Yet when Gibson tries something new, the market reaction is "No thanks, I only want the exact same thing as I already have.". Given this attitude, I doubt that Gibson would sink money into new production lines when that money could be invested in new tooling and paying the staff better so they could ask them to give a shit about the products they are making, so that the customer could be assured that when they pick up a... No wait, it's Gibson. The customer and employees can go stuff 'emselves.
Fighting? Over that? Why? There's no reason to fight over a soon to be discontinued guitar!
Put "Epiphone" on the headstock and price it at $499, and then maybe.
Looks like Gibson copied the tulip design from Teisco
Looks like Ted drew this guitar in the 50s
He did @@samright4661
NO YOU KEEP IT ! , NO YOU TAKE IT!!😅
😂
PRS could put out their own version of this guitar and call it the Ted Pineapple.
They can’t it’s trademarked clown
Considering the design, Ted McCarty had a good reason of not releasing that guitar.
After what Gibson has been doing to Dean this seems very justified. Like I keep saying, if you want a Gibson you go buy a Gibson, the Dean hanging on the wall probably isn't going to be much of a threat. As for PRS fighting over a name, It's petty but Gibson needs a taste of their own medicine.
When I read "Theodore" my mind went to the Chipmunks: Alvin, Simon, and Theodore. The name was kind of dumb but I liked the look of that tulip shaped guitar. It's something new!
Haha, that's what I 1st thought too..
I like the look of it, fine … ON SOMEBODY ELSE !!!! hahaha
PRS realized it's more embarrassing for Gibson to just keep producing this monstrosity than to fight it
Gibson basically kicked McCarty to the curb and didn't care at all about him post 60s
I was in the local music store last week, this Gibson was sitting there, I picked it up, it actually felt ok in the hands and played nice, but it's super fugly, I also noticed a fair bit of finish checking on the back of the neck, kinda weird, the checking was coming from the binding but only where the side dots were. I have seen a lot of new Gibsons with finish issues.
Paint issues is Gibson's brand mark.
@@papasmamas1 I guess it's partially the nature of nitro cellulose, but I feel like I see it more often, maybe it's always been the way.
QA issues seem to be a long time part of the Gibson brand identity!
I actually like the Theodore. I'd like to try a lefty one but there will never be a lefty Theodore.
So they are fighting over and over priced Tiesco Del Ray Tulip? Maybe Tiesco should sue Gibson. Just sayin'.
I came here to make a very similar comment😂 ngl, i own a tulip and they really do look similar
They’re fighting over using the “Theodore” name and branding
It's too ugly to be a PRS
Gibson can keep the Tulip. I like my SGs but not the company that sues everyone. Thanks for the shout out bro !
Imagine fighting over the way a piece of wood is cut. Imagine fighting for the exclusive right to cut a piece of wood in a specific way. Imagine stepping on people you could have collaborated with just to have access to a different shape to cut wood in. Guitars are so stupid that normal people no idea.
Guitar companies suing others is pathetic! Especially as Gibson will sue a company for the single cut shape, like they did with PRS! If people can't tell the difference between them, then they are in a very small minority.
I’d imagine the McCarty estate should have the final say. Also it’s ridiculous that PRS thought they had a chance. Not only do the Theodore and McCarty models look nothing alike but if push comes to shove Ted McCarty’s legacy is with Gibson. Heck the only reason PRS cared about him was because his experience with Gibson.
Also I’m a Fender guy and still highly respect PRS for what they contribute to luthier and guitar engineering.
This is not about legacy its about who owns trademarks to a name and who doesnt.
I'd be like: You keep it, no problemo brothers.
Hi Phil, thanks for mentioning that the Leo Fender name, likeness and signature are property of G&L. It’s what Leo wanted and I try to honor his legacy the best I can. - Dave
Gibson is going to discontinue the Theodore soon because of its lackluster sales
People fight over the ugliest things, that'd be like 2 studs fighting over 2 ton Tessie at the buffet. Aint no way!
Common denominator in most of these lawsuits - Gibson.
And yet PRS decided to at least start action here in this case… Gibson didn’t MAKE them object to a guitar which has a person’s first name 🤷🏼♂️ It just shows that this is the kind of thing big companies generally have a tendency to do.
I also don’t quite see how PRS gets credit for deciding to drop this issue after all… if they want the high ground over Gibson don’t make an issue of it in the first place.
Dear lord why? They can keep it... It's almost as fugly as musk's cybertruck
Ain't no damn cybertrucks
@@TranceMasterJack 😂 Use your words
Correction. Everyone is in a lawsuit - with Gibson
This was the bridge both companies decided was too far? Good grief.
Theodore gets the Dork Award.
$2000, wow. You used to be able to get a Teisco Tulip guitar for $10.99 at Thrifty Drugstore.
Quite the kerfuffle over what is little more than a bar napkin doodle. (A Ted McCarty doodle yes, but still . . . )
Paul probably didn’t have the drawing or knew it existed until Gibson put the guitar out.
He's a personal friend of Mccarty
@@the_panos meaning he knew every doodle of the man. 👍🏾 got it
I love the look of the Theodore, and from all accounts they feel and play great. Then again, I think the Moderne is absolutely awesome too. You can have your boring Les Pauls and Strats, I want something different.
Loser gets the guitar.
😂
"lawsuit" is almost as annoying a buzzword as "AI".
"Readers' Digest version." I'm old enough to remember that, Phil. At my house growin' up there was always one on the toilet tank for a little sit-down reading.
Dear gibson, it's a tulip. It looks bloody awful, there's no way I'll be adding it to my collection and I own a Firebird X.
When I saw the thumbnail pic and the "PRS and Gibson are fighting over this guitar" title, my thought was: fighting over what? Who gets to disown it the fastest? I think it's one one of the more uninspired and unattractive designs out there. YMMV
I can't believe PRS and Gibson are fighting over a 59' Danelectro body. LOL
Eww. They can break it in half and keep it.
I don’t think you can trademark or copyright a number. I think that’s why Intel changed from 286, 386 and 486 to “Pentium”
Gibson should fix their head stock and stop ripping off customers and suing smaller manufacturers. Those pickups and bridges are not good enough for the price. The fact that the epiphones sound pretty close should confirm this.
4:08 SpongeBob pineapple. SB, not SG
I wouldn't fight anyone for a Theodore ... 🤮
I think the McCarty family had a legal right since it’s his name and they used it without permission but now that Gibson lost to Dean recently in a countersuit by Dean and has millions of dollars to keep legal battles in limbo PRS probably decided to back off because of the cost of legal battles….but I also wonder if this was a strategic move by PRS since Gibson has been trying to sue various companies over silly issues. Gibson did use Ted name without permission on a new guitar unlike old guitars they didn’t patent and maybe this was a move to wake up Gibson and show others can play this game. But I may be assuming too much.
Do you think that all the guitars that Gibson made from 1957 to 1961 (five great years) combined today are worth more than the entire Gibson Company?
Tokai should be suing them both for ripping off the Talbo 😅
This is like watching the captains of the football team and the basketball team fight over who gets to take the ugliest girl in school to the prom.
Like that girl, this guitar also lacks a gag reflex.
Reader's Digest! 😂😂😂 i get that! Lol......ha..... oh no.... I'm old enough to know what that means 😢
GIBSON could always rename it the Tulip, lol.
Why thats ugly. Means it’s not selling you can have it…
This is literally a teisco tulip
They’re fighting over THAT design? It looks awful.
I don't like pointy on guitars. No long sharp horns like Ibanez no flying V's. No SG. Definitely no tulips
What, a moment of sanity in the guitar world?! At least now we can get back to arguing about tonewood. 😂
It's real, no need to argue.
@@HunnysPlaylists That sounds like the start of an argument right there.
Wood makes no difference. Plexiglas guitars sound the same as mahogany, and Maple guitars.
Russ Ballard played a guitar made out of a solid billet aircraft aluminum when he was in Argent.
Mark Farner played a Veleno guitar made almost entierly out of aluminum, after his Messenger started wearing out. The Messenger was largely metal. An aluminum neck with a tenon that was designed like a tuning fork.
There you go. I await your rebuttal
@@onusgumboot5565 tonewood is denied for two reasons:
1) the "skeptic" community imploded and the remnant need new frontiers.
2) understanding tonewood requires abstract thinking (which is so hard-locked behind a high iq range that I think less than 30% of the population even qualifies for it).
@@onusgumboot5565 or example, the strings on a guitar operate conceptually similar to the diaphram on a microphone: turning vibration to sound. the common referain against tonwood is 90% "WOOD ISN'T ELECTRIC LOL" (showing the intllct of the skeptic), and 10% "it's all amp and pickups."
@@onusgumboot5565 firstly, wood vibrates, and each wood vibrates differently thanks to density and composition/shape of its rings.
They just want people to play authentic tonewood.
That guitar is fugly
It will sound the same as any other 2 humbucker guitar... why fight?
Fighting over junk.
I dont think this guitar is selling very well anyway. I dont like it and no way id pay 2 grand for it either.
I like the design well enough, but talk about overpriced. This should be marketed into the low/mid-range of US-made products.
must be a lot of hipster dollars still left out there
pov: you're Gibson Moderne in a fight for ugliest guitar ever made and this is your competition.
so McCarty designed the guitar while being employed by Gibson, Gibson used a name which was not trademarked by PRS , yeah sure they decided their time was better spend on something else (or in other words their lawyers told them that they would not going to win). And yes the guitar is ugly, as was the V, Explorer, Modern at one point
Gibson and PRS can take their crap guitars and go shove it... 💥
why tho? that is hands down one of the ugliest shapes currently being built. figures its a gibson... modern anyone?
It’s ugly flat out just let em have it 😅.
The common denominator … Gibson
The Theodore is one really ugly guitar in my opinion.
Just coz it’s Gibson! I hope PRS wins 😅
It's an ugly guitar anyway, so who cares? The only people that will buy this guitar are people that don't really play guitar to begin with.
Ugly Guitar ~ There is a reason it was never produced. Money Grab!!!
Silly looking. 😂
holy crap! a guitar uglier than an sg??!! now that is an accomplishment.
Gibson makes like 3 or 4 guitars worth buying. A J45, LP standard, SG standard and ES335. They been making the same shit since their start. Definitely a boomer company with no new innovations. I own 2 Gibson SG's They're ok.
lol
The MIJ Epiphone Elitist guitars and basses from the early to mid 2000s were better quality instruments than the Gibsons from that time, which is probably why Gibson quit making them. The instruments were equipped with Gibson USA pickups, CTS pots and Switchcraft jacks.
Yet when Gibson tries something new, the market reaction is "No thanks, I only want the exact same thing as I already have.".
Given this attitude, I doubt that Gibson would sink money into new production lines when that money could be invested in new tooling and paying the staff better so they could ask them to give a shit about the products they are making, so that the customer could be assured that when they pick up a...
No wait, it's Gibson. The customer and employees can go stuff 'emselves.
Yes, bring back the robot guitars!!
🤖⚡️🎸
Pre-boomer
PRS doesn’t own the name Theodore 😂