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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 10. 2022
- Most Jeep wrangler models allow you to flat tow without accruing miles or having to worry about damaging the drive train.
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Flat towing is much easier for us than dealing with a trailer since we move locations often in our RV.
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May not be miles on the odometer but is gonna still be putting miles on all them bearings and differentials. Good job.
@One so more wear on all the moving components when the car isn't actually being driven
@One do you even know how a car works? Maybe it won't be wearing the engine and trans down but the suspension, bearings, differentials and more will still all be wearing down as if they're driving it, putting the transfer case in neutral doesn't disconnect everything
That also happens when you have your vehicle towed if you have a mechanical problem if it's not on a flatbed, the engine is the expensive part that goes along with the transmission you protect those everything else is relatively cheap to replace and throughout the normal life of a vehicle would probably wear out before the engine and transmission
@One damn you really showed me by telling me to read the manual, what an argument
dumbest argument ive ever heard⊠no shit the car parts are getting miles wtf you gonna do? it makes no difference, besides less wear on the engine cuz its not onâŠ
"the hook up doesn't take more than a few minutes"
that's what she said.
Ayo....sus
You are a man of culture
â@@brotherdj777who gives a shit, when you die you rot
@@RalfSRobotRalf do you think people will be held accountable for how they lived there life?
@@brotherdj777 donât care, anyways did you know Chinese farmers owned more then half of all live pigs?
Iâm sorry my car gets a trailer in a blanket to keep her nice and snuggly đđđđ
Mine gets jammed in with 8 other cars and hauled 500 miles away... I'm a semi car hauler btw đ
Odometer only days 100k but this under carrage looks like it's had 300k đ
We donât pretend otherwise. When we sell it, we will fully disclose the fact that it has been towed. đ
â@@fuelyourwanderyea im sure your an outstanding person who's gonna tell people everything about the car stfu
â@@fuelyourwander might wanna log the amount of miles it's towed if you intend on disclosing its been flat towed. Kinda like logging the hours on a motor that doesn't have an hour meter.
â@@fuelyourwanderdo you disclose to the DMV that the mileage is inaccurate? It's literally a felony
@@Acepilot235 that wouldn't matter because I idle for 7 or 8 hours a week, driving places.
The famously very reliable đ Chrysler wheel bearings getting put through the ringer on this.
itll hurt it less than driving it.
I was gonna say that, even if it cuts out the drive train, u-joints and wheel bearings get more wear. Anyone saying it doesn't add wear to those or "less than driving" both are rolling down the road exactly the same wether driven or towed.
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â@@graverobbermotorsports4606 get some help.
@@doirtlee why do you say that?
Is this unrelated to this thread?
Chrysler wheel bearings are great. Mine have taken a beating and are still original with 150K on them. Been jumped a few times..
isnt that dishonest? đł mileage is mileage. Whether driven or not. Its still putting wear and tear on everything except the engine đ€
Agreed. The chassis, transmission, suspension, and everything else sure feels it all the same đ€Ł
exactly. chryslers decision to that. Is mindblowing imo.
@@Xaalona everything else is cheap compare to the engine and trans.
The engine and the transmission do not rotate when towing like this. also there is minimal wear on the suspension parts in this configuration.
The only thing that rotates is the tires everything else doesn't move
"Honey where's the car?"
For the record you can only tow your jeep this way if it is 4 wheel drive! WARNING â ïž DONT DO THIS IF YOUR CAR OR JEEP IS 2 WHEEL DRIVE!
What?!? How would you put a transfer case in neutral on a two-wheel drive vehicle?
@@devitomichael if you find a way let me know
Yeah never leave your 2wd transfer case in gear.
I know SFA about vehicles, but even I know a 2WD doesnât have a transfer case. Just chuck the puppy in neutral and itâs all good.
@@gaijininja of course you wouldn't tow a 2wd in park
It seems most people in this comment section aren't aware the transfer case is behind the transmission, so if the transfer case is in neutral the transmission isn't spinning
Wait what? So If trans doesn't spin when in neutral, then how is it still spinning your driveshaft
@@ryannance9673 you gotta think about it backwards, the input is on the axles, which in turn spins the driveshaft, which in turn spins the transfer case (which is in neutral) which is then connected to the transmission. But since the transfer case isn't spinning neither is the transmission.
â@@DC-ct8tv you do realize the case is still spinning internally just not at the input shaft it will still need to be serviced regularly.
@@jesusofbacon literally no one services a transfer case đ€Ł if you can afford a 500k bus I'm sure replacing a transfer case (or jeep) isn't a big deal
Also how can one tow a vehicle in park doesn't the park gear locks off the transmission đ€
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Easier without. đ
@@fuelyourwander easier doesnât mean better đ
â@@fuelyourwanderAre you sped? đ
Trailer = no passive odometer manipulation and worn parts.
Funny this video is posted at a time when odometer fraud is on the rise.
In this particular case, easier does mean better. đ. Why bother with a trailer when Jeep fully supports and designed this vehicle to be flat towed? Yes, it wears the Jeep, but we do not want to have to deal with unloading, storing, maintaining a trailer. Itâs much more convenient. đ
"this enables the wheels to stop spinning and the Jeep to gently glide 1 in from the surface of the Earth while we tow it so there's no wear on anything"
I wonder how much that hover tow kit costs.
đđđ yea your supposed to disconnect the driveshafts. But you don't wanna get your clothes dirty or your hands
You obviously donât know him⊠He is true gear head, never afraid to get dirty, doesnât believe in gloves (even when welding) and I donât ever recall his hands actually being clean. đ
@@fuelyourwander ohh, hard man
â@@fuelyourwander not wearing work gloves is some next level stupidity
@@damienpride9860 thatâs some next level deflection away from the original point
Why tf would that be required? As long as the transfer case is in neutral the drivetrains disconnected from the engine anyways, imagine every time you rock up and go to leave with your car you have to put the driveshafts back in and out... This isn't a truck you easily remove em on
âItâs a jeep thing, you wouldnât understandâ
I sure as hell donât
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I used to do this trick in my YJ with no lock so they wouldn't steal it I used to jump back in it super stoned and trip out while I'm revving so loud and I'm in gear lol đ đđđ€Ł
LOL đ
I'd like to manage the tow vehicle lights wirelessly, similar to what's demonstrated in the TA67 Towaide control panel. Low Cost
I waiting to hear âI let my husband do all the workâ
Well it ain't even that much of a work to be fair
I'm sure he wrote the script to
â@cart6r Get your women vs men bs out of here don't have to shove that shit every where.
â@@NomminOnRam3nA script? I don't think there was a script it's a short guide.
Tell me you and your wife have problems without telling me
Towing a car behind an RV looks like people fleeing the IRS
We are not fleeing anything. đ
I've seen what happens when you don't put the transfer case in neutral. Big hole in the engine!
You know what solves that problem it's called disconnect the driveshafts.
â@@justinanderson9126nah just remove the engine, no way to destroy it if it isn't there
Just take the whole jeep apart and cram into the RV side compartments. Takes only 27 minutes
It donât matter if your transfer case is in neutral, you need to have your transmission in neutral because if you hit a bump that transfer case could actually shift out of neutral and into a gear a lot of people donât know that because it happened to someone that I know it destroyed their whole transmission not to mention their parking gear that rust on your gears for it to stop rolling on the hill Put your vehicles in neutral and if you donât then good luck fixing a brand new vehicle youâre gonna basically spend as much as a brand new vehicle just to get a new transmission and possibly many other new parts for that vehicle think smart not fast.
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Only one comma and one period⊠why even bother with any punctuation? đ€Šââïž
It's there to push the RV, in case it
takes a crap... đ€Ș
Itâs definitely a backup option in case anything breaks down. đ
@fuelyourwander that's the definite plus about having a toad! Just in case anything goes wrong with RV, you can unhook and go take care of things!
Man I hate click bait đ of course itâs gonna be fine if the transfer case is in neutral, I was expecting some carnage đđ
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So many naive people on this comment section. Jeep has been doing it this way for a hundred years and no, it doesn't put any wear on the engine or transmission.
But on everything else wich is still just as bad because what about the diffs the bearings thats still milage
â@@Guillo78 that's true but the bearings aren't under transmission load. It's barely any wear
A better SOLUTION might be to TOW the RV with the JEEP !
(Where a RV have never been before... who needs a road anyway ?)
LOL. đ
Tow bar arm is upside down where it connects to the baseplate
So many people are taking their dumps on this post. If they ever sell the jeep, they should just advise someone about it, or even better, replace the bearings being worn before the sale. It's kinda like asking for idle time logs on a work truck
Exactly! I personally maintain this vehicle and exceed any mfg requirements. If and when we sell, I wonât hide the fact that it has been towed, nor will I sell anyone a lemon. Thanks for the comment!đ
No bearing cost thousands and the jeep will spend weeks in the shop. Better to trailer it.
Had a customer come back the day after buying tires.was towed behind a motorhome, forgot to release the ebrake.
Ouch. Definitely something we always check. đ
OMG....that's sad, because that had to affect other parts of the Jeep too! đź
Passed u guys going from denver to kansas
why are the wheel bearings worn out it's only got 3500 miles on it:)
Wheel bearings have a life expectancy of 150k when properly maintained. đ
@@fuelyourwander how does one properly maintain a wheel bearing đ đ
â@@fuelyourwander call me when they fail at 85k
It's only a crime when you get caught... Or make a CZcams video explaining how you trick the odometer
The OP is like the most militant commenter I've ever seen haha....
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You know, Iâm kind of a car nut⊠My brain is a useless encyclopedia of everything car. But I had no idea that if you move the transfer case into neutral, you could put the automatic transmission into park, and no miles would accrue on your odometer. I knew that it would roll freely in neutral/park, but I had no idea that the odometer wouldnât be adding miles as itâs being pulled. Youâve just added something to my useless encyclopedia brain today, lol. Thank you.
You are welcome. đ
I love your Motor Hlmes it's beautiful
Thank you!!đ„°
Can you show a video while you towing it in a tight circle how do the jeep front wheels react do they turn?
The jeep wheels follow the RV. They turn in the direction of travel. Like most modern vehicles they have enough caster built in to the alignment- making them want to track in a straight line, but obviously capable of turning.
your rig is bad ass
Thanks!! We love it!â€ïž
Dude has 2 GoPro mounts on the front of hisjeep
Not letting it count the miles it's traveling is a felony in every state
We are following the manufacture recommendations. We are not preventing anything from happening. đ
What braking system are you using in the jeep and also, did you run all the wires for your lights or have someone install them for you? Nice set up
Tow truck:
I don't ker about your gotdam transmission!
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The only thing I can think when I hear this this song is MAYONNAISE ON AN ESCALATOR, GOING UPSTAIRS SO SEE YA LATER
Interesting visual đ. Thanks for watching. â€ïž
You might as well get a trailer for a couple grand more.. if your this invested already. Would suck to hit the trails just to find out your tire lights on for a slow leak cus you ran over a piece of metal
Itâs a risk. Thanks for the advice. đ
Do you have a video on why you went from a class c to a class a?
Check out the guy who flat towed it in 4 wheel low.
When people obviously donât realize that it says to do this in the owners manual
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The wheel bearings the carrier bearing on the drive shaft and the differentials etc are all still rotating not to mention the tires and suspension are still experiencing wear. If you can afford that RV just get a car trailer.
We follow the flat tow recommendations from Jeep. I agree that it sounds odd, but since jeep built it, I assume they know what is best! đ
@@fuelyourwander whatâs best is a trailer where nothing on the Jeep is rotating at highway speeds. But yes IF youâre going to flat tow Iâm sure the manufacturer knows the best way to flat tow it.
@@joshuadavis1547
You still have wear on the trailer.
You have an up front cost of trailer.
Then the loss of fuel mileage from the extra weight, which also adds wear to the RV.
All that adds up to a higher cost then flat towing.
@@wantblackwolf what you missed is the mileage on the Jeeps odometer isnât a true reflection of what the mileage on all the parts that are still rotating on the Jeep when being flat towed. So if I were to purchase that Jeep after them I would not be able to tell by looking at the odometer that I need to be either inspecting or servicing critical drivetrain components
@@joshuadavis1547 So you want them to spend more money to give you a better Jeep.
The engine and trans mileage is the only thing that matters. I don't buy used and expect the wear parts to be not worn.
It takes very little time to put a jack under the axle and raise so you can shake/spin the wheel to see what is bad. You are suppose to do an inspection before you buy a vehicle, it's not hard to spot worn parts. I always talk them down.
It would cost me less than $500 to replace the worst parts in my own garage. And I always give myself $1000 budget over the sell price for this. If you can't work on it yourself you shouldn't buy used from a private seller.
Yeah just donât do this with any 2wd jeep
Agreed! That would be really bad đ
Yeah your right . I was wondering why I couldn't find the shifter for the transfer case. đ
2wd jeeps exist?
I bought a pair of Nike and i also bought a pair of Jordan to run. Now I run everyday carrying a backpack with my Nike in it. And Guess what, whenever I run carrying my Nike in backpack with its laces tied, its so comfortable to run....đđ€Ł
Good advice! I thought Nike made Jordans - so did you you buy two Nike shoes or did you buy four? I always keep my laces tied while they are in the backpack as well. Thanks for watching. â€ïž
Wrangler is in great shape. Very low miles......mean while the jeep is lookin đđđâ ïž
Always if you buy a car that was flat towed a decent amount the car or truck may not have many miles on motor and tranny but you may have to replace alot of steering and suspension parts just because the car says 100k miles or whatever doesn't mean the rest of the car only has 100k miles
Should still have a transmission cooler installed for flat towing.
Thanks for the tip and advice. đ
Same goes for your transfer case and your front rear differential again it is not being lubricated while itâs in neutral at all itâs just burning, but donât believe a season mechanic as the Internet is the key of the world nowadays. Please watch the video I posted before anybody tries this.
So thatâs what neutral is for huh
How does the transmission stay lubricated while it's rolling? Doesn't that damage it? I'd rather save the transmission than the odometer
That "low mileage" Jeep might be sold (by its next owner, not you folks) without it's truth?
ok bobby
Oddly enough, that canât happen to me. No park means no destroyed transmission(if transfer case is engaged).
What's that song called that song is awesome
Wear out the transfer case vs transmission is common sense but sense isn't so common anymore. I disconnect the shafts so only the differentials and tires receive wear. Transfer cases aren't cheap either but transmission are expensive
Transfer cases do not have pumps and are only lubricated by the gear oil in the sump being picked up by spinning shafts and gears. How would this put any wear on the transfer case? đ
I'd sure hate to be the next guy that has to buy that jeep.
The next person to buy this Jeep will get a sweet deal. It is perfectly maintained and I would never hide the fact that it was towed. đ
2 questions,
1) does it get left running the entire time? At my old job moving trucks we had Ford rangers with a similar setup, they were manual so we were able to turn them off
2) Do you have faith in the safety cables to actually catch the jeep in the event of an emergency? Would chains work better?
Happy camping
The person behind is more worried I'm sure it's full coverage.
But can you explain how its turns ?
It just follows with the steering unlocked
What about the wiring for the brake for jeep and lights?
The wiring exists, just missed it in the video. đ
What about the need to circulate engine oil in the car to prevent damage? The engine has to be on for that.
No need to circulate engine oil if the vehicle is not running.
Is that a guns and roses cover I hear??
Well our dog was named after Axle Rose. đ
park?
Trailering is best
Pros and cons to both. We prefer flat towing. đ
Iâm going to be using my Touareg V6 gas, juuust to tow an old Jaguar out of a garage and down a driveway for pickup. I donât care WTF happens to the Jaguar, which is good, because Iâll simply be wrapping a recovery strap around the wheels. Donât have the keys. Donât care what gear it was left in. And itâs on 4 flats.
Sounds like a great way to spend a Saturday. đ
You should have a trailer to carry the car, the trailer would have real lights working
Iâm not so sure that the xfer case will adequately oil with it in park. Mileage and travel will tell. Hope it does for your sake. Safe travels
Thanks. We follow the flat tow recommendations from Jeep. I agree that it sounds odd, but since jeep built it, I assume they know what is best! đ
Instructions unclear now my driveshaft speared the car behind me
Thatâs unfortunateâŠ. đ©
Resellers: WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
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Whats the deal with this. I don't live in the us so I've never seen anyone tow a car behind an rv. Is this jeep for getting groceries when the rv is parked? Here we just drive our cars.
Exactly. When we are parked in the RV, we still like to visit the grocery store, go to dinner, sightsee, etc. Much easier in the Jeep. đ
Always curious about this. I donât tow cars like this. Does the car being towed scrub the front tires when turning? Or does the steer tires naturally follow the line of the towing vehicle?
Good question. They naturally follow the line of the towing vehicle.
I have to ask is this rv park in Golden Colorado right off the freeway??
Man.. there's Always someone to jab in the comment section huh my fellow wrench head's đ
If you guys are comfortable towing yr ride in Neutral, great. đđ
God Bless n Godspeed to you on yr travels.
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That's really good knowledge thanks for sharing that. đĄđœđșđž RUN!!!
need to get a nuetral locking plate to make shure niether gears stick bump into a gear. and destroy your transfer box or transmission.
Good tip! Thanks. â€ïž
I would trailer it if was going all over the USA. Save on some wheel bearings and tires. Imo
Trailers need tires and wheel bearings....
The miles aren't counted cuz the jeep is off
You have to flat tow in park. If you leave the transmission in neutral you break the transmission.
How?
@@singamajigy my guess is neutral on the transfer case isnât enough of a neutral to not spin the transmission output shaft. And since the pump is on the input side damage can occur to the transmission
I bet you didn't count on nine bazillion comments on this one! đ€Ł
Comments are insane!! But we love them at the same time. â€ïžđ
Bruh the rig is so strong itâs making all four wheels turn in parkđźđźđźđź
Easy way to kill a differential is to reverse feed it and starve it of oil. Made the mistake of flat towing an np435, and because those transmissions are fed from the flywheel side I completely destroyed a set of synchros.
Not if you disconnect the battery
differentials do not have pumps that can be reverse fed, nor do they have synchrosâŠ. đ
@@fuelyourwander differential may not have a pump, but transfer case has one.....
And operating a diff in Coast can and will cause excessive wear on the gears..... And possibly the locker/ posi unit as they are designed to operate a certain way......
Best way is to drop the driveshaft
What's Park... I've got this R, 1, 2, ...
Who tf is singing back in black because that sure as hell isnât Brian Johnson
I think it is Steve Johnson. đ
You should lock the blue ox arms first
Thanks for the tip. đ
Do you use the jeeps tail light for braking or do you use the RV tail lights
We use both the jeep and RV taillights, blinkers and brake lights. đ
Regardless of how you look at it your still putting miles on it as long as the wheels are spinning should have just trailered it
That is true, but we like to flat tow it because its simpler overall - one less thing to have to deal with. đ
How much was the tow bar and where did you get it?
We use the Blue OX tow bar system. We have used it on all of our RVs. The price varies depending on what you need (weight, type of vehicle, etc).
It doesnât matter if miles get racked on the jeep, it depreciated as it rolled off the assembly lineđđđ
Have you ever looked at the depreciation figures on wranglers?
yea wranglers hold their value extremely well
I can see this guy knows a lot about Jeeps.
How about steering? Looks like the front tires will wear out realy fast like that
The tire naturally follow the RV. No additional wear. đ
Skip to the part where you accidentally leave it in gear. Thanks
If that happens, we will be sure to share it. Iâm sure it would be horrible and epic at the same time! đ
no miles on the odometer because their transferred to your bearings in the boxes lol disconnect drive shaft an elevate front tires on a tow behind gbyaa!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trailer is a big hassle. Flat-towing is far easier and worth the additional wear and tear on the vehicle. đ
Its funny to see how hurt some people are about towing jeeps this way, these comments are funny, good video explaining how to do it though
Thanks!!đ
How are the back tires moving if the transmissions in park
Transfer case is in neutral which allows the tires to rotate freely. đ
@@fuelyourwander putting the transfer case into neutral may allow the front tires to move but it has got nothing to do at all with the back tires once that transmission is in lock or Park whatever you want to call it them back tires are not going to move unless you take the drive shaft out
Well, we have towed it 10k miles this way with no issues. And fyi, transfer case is behind the transmission. So when the transfer case is in neutral it isolate all 4 wheels from the transmission. đ
Who is that singing? Not many people can pull of a Brian Johnson
No one can pull off Brian Johnson. đ
@@fuelyourwander amen to that
I think its axl rose
This only works for wrangler btw
I thought you said that the jeep was going to be in park if the transfer case is in neutral it is not in park
That might not be how Chevyâs workâŠ. But in a Jeep the transmission and transfer case are two very separate components. We tow with the transmission in park and the transfer case in neutral. đ
Wouldnât that technically count as rolling back the odometer since youâre still putting miles on your jeep?
Not my knowledge. We just follow the manufactureâs guidelines on how to flat tow the Jeep. đ
Rip transmission if itâs all wheel drive
We follow the manufacture recommendations when flat towing. đ
That is bs doesn't increase miles there are so many jeeps out there with way more miles then they actually have they should make you report your tow miles if you see this jeep for sale in future don't buy yes the engine and Trans doesn't gain miles but the t case suspension axles all gain miles
My Wrangler, a 2007, is different or whoever had it before towed it differently. It has over 300,000 miles on it but most of that was flat towed behind an RV. So my miles registered. It still has it's original, unbroken, drivetrain.
Just tow the rv with the jeep!!!..lol..
Hopefully it never comes to that!đ
mpg more like gpm!
If u flat tow a Toyota that way you'll smoke the transfer case
You can flat tow a 4Runner with one little easy mod
@@davidaix5771 if you pull the drive shaft