2.4GHz PTMP Through Trees
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- čas přidán 7. 10. 2019
- Another no-line-of-sight test of PTMP wireless networking through my backyard forest. This time we're using 2.4GHz.
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I have one client, golf course, with a 1 km link through trees between the clubhouse and the turf care/maintenance building. Using just a pair of Nanobeam NBE_M2-13, It has been working flawlessly for one entire year so far, but will keep an eye on it through the harsh Alberta winter to see if snow coverage in the trees affects it. As a small, two person company, we always appreciate your videos as it is not always possible for us to test every piece of hardware in a real world scenario. Definitely a confidence boost to see your reviews before we jump into the deep end.
Yea - follow up on that...I'd love to hear how the snow affects the signal.
Sounds like you have the benefit to quiet 2.4 GHz spectrum (except when many golfers come with Bluetooth devices), most places the 2.4GHz band is now trash, noise floor is so high it's unusable for PtP and PtMP links..I've had to abandon many of my 2.4GHz LoS links because the constant interference.. 5GHz is still usable, but slowly congesting also.
@@CoreyThompson73 2.4 seems to work well in rural areas where homes are spread out. Ubiquiti has some good filtering technology and with sector antennas you're broadcasting a much stronger signal than a residential router inside a home. But that's about the only place it's useful.
First off, THANK YOU CROSSTALK! You have earned a customer for life. I own a small business doing security and networking, and you have certainly earned a customer when I have a need for this type of equipment.
I used this video, and put everything together MOSTLY identical. Worked PERFECTLY. Two separate buildings, one ~200 feet away, very light obstructions. From R2AC with the 10 dbi, to a Nanostation M2. I chose the Nanostation M2 because of its secondary RJ-45 and pass through PoE capability. Single PoE injector pushing power to M2, and from secondary port on M2, to AC-Lite, and a free LAN port at the injector. consistent 80 mbps over wifi. Second leg was ~800 feet, absolutely NO LINE OF SIGHT. Same setup, consistent 55-60 mbps over wifi. I was getting good signal a quarter mile away, in my truck, with NLOS, while driving to the barn. Straight line from that point would bring me through horse pastures and trees, so my .25 mile was much different than his, mind you.
This was my first time using them, but Im sold on Ubiquiti, and Crosstalk will be getting my business when possible. His videos were SO incredibly helpful..
Just used what I learned in this video to connect 2 Nanobeam 2.4 AC through some pretty serious forest. The distance is about 100 yards. This is a rural location with virtually no other 2.4 nearby. The only option was a low install height of 6 feet. Getting about 50/50 which works for the application needed. Thanks for showing it could work.
This is the EXACT video I was after!
same same.
Hi Chris, thanks for the very interesting video. I live in the suburbs close to other properties and had all sorts of problems on 2.4Ghz and ended up doing a scan and move my gear onto one of the less occupied channels. Did some testing on 5Ghz, got better speed and range. 2.4GHz here in Australia is a BIG mess. I've managed to retire some old gear so in the process of moving everything to 5GHz. So wouldn't be surprised if your range may have been limited in some cases by spectrum congestion.
I was watching the other video with the m900 hours ago only to find out its not available in my country because its licensed spectrum.. and now this ;-) ! got a client that really needs this link through his neighbours big tree !!
Great info....tks
good testing sir 👍
Try it with 24GHz and 60GHz next :-)
You might get to a point where the wavelength is small enough to get through small openings in the foliage..Boost the power enough, the foliage will melt away!
Lol. I'd love to see that test
they would be even worse, you have to go down in frequency to make it work.
JUST Microwave that forrest 😉
JUST like 5G 😘👌🏼😋
🤔 O now then the carbon wil arc and mess up the signal 😅🤧😉
Great video. Curious if a directional antenna at the AP would have enabled you to detect the signal at either of the 1/4 mile stations.
Hi Chris, i have been using using loco and rocket m2 pair under those conditions since 2009
I’d love to see this test done using a raiseable mount (maybe something like a section of pipe set into the ground with a second section that could be raised with something like a light boat winch).
That way, you could try the test again at different levels. Maybe you could also have several WAPs running at different frequencies, all mounted at the top of the pole, and you could then test them all at the same time, and see which works best, and at which height.
I was also a little concerned at how the cables were exposed between the Prism unit ant the Antenna. In my part of the world, Parrots love chewing through exposed cables like this. Have you looked at ways to Bird-proof installations like this (e.g. installing wire mesh around the exposed cables, and maybe also extending the mesh down around the Prism unit as well. to protect it, or would wire mesh upset the signal at that point)?
Chris, thank you for your time spent making these videos. Extremely helpful. I have some experience setting up PTP M2 and M5s. I recently set up a M2 PTP at my house for remote gate control and camera connectivity. When I enabled the M2 for PTP, my wife’s AirPods get real choppy when she’s inside the house where one of the M2s are located. Now, normally I can use this “choppy” signal to my advantage! When she calls me, I tell her I can’t hear her and I get to hang up!! However, this is not good for her business which requires her to be on her phone a lot at home (must be nice)! So either way I get an ear full. Do you have any experience with M2s interfering with AirPods? I’m running the lowest power settings and 20mhz spacing on the M2s. Thanks in advance.
Hey Chris, I really appreciate your videos. I have a UAP-AC-M-Pro mounted above a marina club house. It is fed from a Comcast Business router. I am having difficulty reaching other sailboats that are no more than 200 feet away. Is there a better Ubiquiti omni access point device to use that will reach further and stronger? Would the same Rocket Prism AC and AMO-2G10 2.4Ghz setup work better? I suspect I'm also impacted by the clutter of the sailboat rigging.
The testing is very interesting. Thank you for that. I want to setup a mutipoint ok n my property. How do I determine what I need before buying hardware? I assume you can't buy, test, and return.
This test was with an omni (possibly has a downtilt) and nano, would be interested to see this same test using 2 powerbeams.
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great info, thanks for posting it. sounds like 900 is the safer option, its almost guaranteed to work. even if 2.4 worked at the beginning, who knows what interference may pop up in future. thanks again -
Too bad ubiquiti and mikrotec have them listed as EOL. Read that the chip manufacturer stopped producing and the next available option would make the rockets cost 1k or more.
Thank you for this very helpful video. I have purchased everything you are using and attempting to set-up with very limited knowledge. Wondering if there is a how to guide set-up guide on this particular combination?
I have exactly the same setup. These antennas have a donwtilt angle. This one has 4'. So it has to be at a higher position for the nanostation to be in the sweatspot. Also the gain of the rocket2 can be adjusted. Did you have it at maximum? Thanks for the great videos. Interested to see what further experiments you will do with this setup.
Great video I was hoping for these tests to be done.
How many station can be connect at the same time?
Let’s say I have 500Mbs to share
Tanks
So mesh solutions seem to be the new way for large homes- but they have issues with smooth handoff. Is there a safe way to use antennas like these to cover a home outside and inside with a single unit? or too directional?
Greetings. What is that beautiful temporary pole stand/mount you used on the nanostation side? I would love to get my hands on one for site surveys. Looked through your links, but couldn't find.
How about when we have line of sight, what speed can i expect on a deployment with this exact hardware !?
TVWS would have a lot of promise for such installations. @crosstalk solutions, have you ever tested any TVWS gear?
Tvws is expensive and from what I've read TV stations in adjacent channels will drown you out. Adaptrums hardware doesnt appear to hit above 23mbps using two 6mhz channels
Is that access point setup really weatherproof? If not, how do you go about getting IP66 protection for an exposed setup?
Chris, I realize this video is 2 years old, but I'm curious if you ever tried the longer distance test shown here after assigning a specific low-band frequency to the AP rocket... that way, when you scan for an AP from the station, you can eliminate picking up all the other wifi signals between the 2 devices.
Is there a detailed write up or video anywhere with how to set up the PtP or PtMP with the current software? I’m looking to deploy my first Airmax setup
Lots of very green vegetation, so no chance. Plus when it rains you can halve the range again.
Nice video thank you
Did you try to change the channels to see if the interference of the other WiFi signals was the issues.
Hi Chris. Assuming that the rocket is out up on a mask high enough and there is line of sight and it is paired to multiple nanostations (5). Can the rocket handle the traffic? We are talking about HD surveillance traffic from all directions.
Would the 900 work at those distances?
what is the control program you use , for point to Multipoint ??? keep up the good work , your videos have taught me alot
Hi Chris, you might have gotten this question before, but i'm new here - Can I use that omini directional antenna and connect it to my router and extend its range, or does it require the use of the Rocket AC prism? does the Prism provide any power to the antenna?
Can you use a litebeam ac gen2 airmax on this system?
Keep in mind that the closer RF gets to the Frequency of light, the more it behaves like light. A simple explanation is that tree leaves block light and they also block RF. Try this experiment again when all the leaves fall off and your results should improve. The exception will be all the interference coming from the WIFI in the neighborhood.
What you are trying to do is a Near Line Of Sight (NLOS) path. It works best using high gain PtP dish antennas with narrow beam widths. I have several links on 4.9 GHz that run 20 and 30 miles with a 20 dB fade margin. Translation is that it keeps working even during heavy rain and snow storms.
As for 24 and 60 GHz range , expect ranges of less than a mile and severe rain, snow, and, fog fade. This why 5G at 33 GHz only has a range of 100 to 200 m, or a cell site every other telephone pole.
Good demonstration though and yes 50 or feet of antenna elevation would help.
The frequency of light is between 430 trillion hertz (red) to 750 trillion hertz (violet). 5Ghz RF is no where close to the frequency of light.
@@gwebocelestron9194 True statement. The pount of my statement was, that the closer to the frquency of light the more rf behaves like light in terms of propagation. Leaves on trees affect it as does dense foliage.
John, whats your email?
Did your AP network come up when you ran the site survey? This is a video that I wanted to do but that Omni should have been at a higher elevation ( maybe on your roof top). Also should have tried your same setup using two of the directional antennas. I believe you may have been able to establish a link that way.
You're right on both points - but I work with the equipment I have on hand at the time. And I'm definitely not going to install a customer's Omni on my roof. :)
I've got nanostation m2 for years it works perfectly and today I've got the nanostation m5 but signal is much weaker than the m2 even I did a comparison by hanging them one next to another and the m2 is much better I'm already thinking they sold me some broken antenna or I can't set it up properly
To eliminate interference as a factor, you can go down to a channel in the 2300 range. At least on older chips you could
@Crosstalk Solutions, hey Chris will you do an updated video of site to site vpn step by step?
Probably not.
🤣
Hello I have a question. I have 5Ghz radio and I'm about 3000ft away from my other 5Ghz radio. There is no line of sight, but the stuff in the ways only some tree limbs. It's Definitely not a forest but there's some limbs in the way. Would switching to 2.4Ghz radio be a good option instead of 5Ghz? Thank you
What device you tested best results even lot of trees Sir?
Hi. Is it possible to connect directly with your phone and laptop to the antenna at 600meters with clear LOS?
Dear sir !
I have plain point to point nanostation m2, from 13km can do or not sir?
Hi Chris of
Crosstalk Solutions
I am just wondering if the Nano Station M5 can operate Point to Point Bridge or point to point in non clear line of site at a distance of 300 meters and at least 15 meters on top of my roof?
Please help me out!
Hello I need your opinion. With TP-Link CPE510 should it work with a 500m with a few trees blocking?
cpe 210 will be better or nano beam m2 (5ghz need line of site )
2 questions first where did u get the stand for the stations. And my other is I have a pair of nanostations m5 loco and when I set them up they only work when the AP is in the remote location and the station is providing the internet any thoughts.
Not Chris, but: the first stand looks like a non-penetrating roof mount, the second looked like one for photography lights or microphones or such, can probably get used ones cheaply.
For your other problem: does this happen if you set IP information statically, and try to ping back? Make sure both radios are in bridge mode. Maybe play around with the WDS settings.
Wifistand.com. No idea on your NanoStation issue...watch my NanoStation video, factory reset, and try again!
how many meters do you think there will be an excellent signal with a line of sight
but how did u program the rocket as an ap
Hi. can you help me which equipment I should get. Distance is 1km have line of site just to connect my 2 houses. What is the best setup for me thanks
Did you ever get this set up? I would suggest the Ubiquiti LiteBeam AC 5GHz Gen 2 units. Get 2 - put them in bridge mode and point them at each other from both locations. Set them up and connect them to your routers on both ends and it should be good - base on open line of sight and assuming no crazy interference.
hello sir. can i use AMO 2G10 onmi antenna to my rocket 5ac lite (R5AC-LITE)? i am using this for ptmp. the maximum client distance is 2.5 kilometer,,
5ghz penetrate 1 tree, 2.4ghz penetrate 3 trees, 900mhz penetrate a forest
5Ghz can easily penetrate 200ft of trees if you use high enough gain antennas in a very un crowded location.
what would you use to collect/receive wifi about 2 miles away (we are very rural) but towers are about 2 miles away?
I was wondering if I install this on top of my house in a residential area. Should I be able to get internet around my place like in the garage or in the front by the street. Etc. Is this a good option or is something else recommended for what I was envisioning
If it's just around your house, a mesh setup would probably be better. If you're trying to supply Internet to your whole neighborhood, this is closer to what you want.
Crosstalk Solutions - Yeah good point lol. But I figured if one would work on the roof I wouldn’t have to purchase like 3 mesh devices. I have tried the mesh in a different setup at another location. It works decent but the speed on the last mesh is slow.
Does cpe and wifi router channels interfere each other?
Good day sie Chris
What device you can suggest
Im planning for a ptp setuo
Through trees
My isp: 20mbps only..
2.4 GHz through the trees can be tough. I've tried 5.8 GHz through one tree and it also is difficult unless using directional antennas and a lot of power. Although if you have enough gain, and enough power, anything is possible! - czcams.com/video/h23DxIYwp5Y/video.html
I have a house and a boat dock that are separated be about 250’ and a few trees. I need to get internet to the dock to support security cameras. I’m hoping you can tell me the best setup for my situation. I’ve watched several of your videos but I’m not sure what would work best foe me. I’d appreciate any help you could provide. Thanks
Run some fiber then static charges don't matter and your speeds are fantastic in the end and for eternity. A trencher is maybe $50-100/day and will do that distance in about 1hr in average soil. Otherwise regular Coax cable is available and would work well too since it's easy to ground. Media converters can connect at the ends. Otherwise get 2 Nanostation M2...lower frequency penetrates better
Hi, Chris... Is there a problem using the antenna in the station side? My setup is with an ap rocket m2 with stock antennas on a mobile robot at one side and a station rocket m2 with an amo 2g13 antenna on the other.
Is there smt wrong?
Taking into account (1) it's a point to point configuration, (2) there's no way to fit a 1.3m tall antenna on the robot side and (3) the robot is the server and i am the client...
Do these devices/antenna come in green or Camoflauge? Would be nice to hide them in the forest.
one could use multiple nanostations to hop the signal further could they not? AP/Station at each point say every 300 to 400 feet? if say you gotta arc the signal past a hill into a valley etc.
Technically yes. Have to power it all, though.
@@matthewkriebel7342 since nsm5 or nsm2 do not really take much power you could achieve it with lithium batteries and solar. I am working on a project to get sat internet connection or LTE across a couple KM in deep forest. Line of site always issue and thick trees.
What ip you need to set in your pc to setup all that?
What about 900 mhz test?
3:22 illegal tx power at 28dbm, also overloading rf chip
I may be having a derp moment.. but can these point to point radios carry multiple vlans?
Yes.
@@CrosstalkSolutions time to get a couple to learn with then :)
HI CRIS i have the same set up, using rocket m2 using loco m2. i have no line of sight also ang get a nice throughput. at 259meters thru many obstacles of houses and trees and still get internet. hope i can post some picstures ang gui SC.
I'd love to see pics - thanks!
That is encouraging. I have a 900Mhz setup because I was worried about the trees. I will have to try this 2.4Ghz setup and benefit from the increase in speed
Good day sir Cris, can I use this omni setup as a access point to connect smart phones and laptops? I'm here waiting for your generous reply. Thank you sir.
Did you find out? I'm trying to find out too if that works. I have to put an omni setup on a house to give wi-fi to 4 others about 200ft radius. Some of them through the trees. Don't know if works or not. Let me know please and thank you.
@@nicpuia7112 not yet sir
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That should work. I did that install differently though, with M5 on the first house that has internet, as AP and the other houses as stations. They're 200ft away from each other, works wonders through the trees.
As I've always understood it, ubnt devices use proprietary signaling so a regular home router shouldn't be able to work on it. They have wireless APs for endpoints like the UniFi line for that. If end users can connect to an AP without need of CPE I'd really like to be corrected as it would save us a lot of deployment expenses.
Can a Nanobeam AC work instead of the Nano Station M2 ?
Think it's slightly unfair to test this one with an ommi since the 900mhz was done with a directional.
Very informative and on point otherwise though :)
Well yea - it's not a real scientific test...I just test with what I happen to have on hand.
Yes you are cris, height is might. Thanks on sharing your expertise.
Hey Chris I have a couple of questions how can I pm you ? Thanks Ryan
You can always contact us at info@crosstalksolutions.com if you need consulting services! Otherwise, we have our Discord server.
have you had any point to point device pushing over 400mbps?
2 powerbeam 5AC gen2 on 2km push over 480mbps (80mhz) :D
How many client like LTB m5 on this device?
Please can I use it to share wifi directly to phones and laptops?
why not use directional antenna?
Because I didn't have any.
I know this is an old video... But, I'm trying to figure out if it would even be worth it to try but the trees here are just outragedly tall (Charleston, SC) .... But I have a building(s) and other structures that I manage their network so getting an antenna on the roof is not a problem But... I can get the signal over the trees most of the distance but, for the last few 100 feet or so it would be blasting trees and who knows what else.... And it's not really worth it to rent tower space here as the providers in this area are very much greedy and want 1000s or not 10's of 1000's for a small about of tower space...
please conduct a test in line of sight, please, please
I need your help. Where and when can I use an omnidirectional antenna. I am starting my own WIPS I will also be selling IPTV service my server is in the cloud I have a service that I can also resell
Good morning Chris I got a question for you sir
It's very possible to run a 2.4 network in a forest. Tree's make great towers lol
When I was a kid my uncle put a CB antenna in a tree about 20' up at the bottom. Talked to people all over
How if I use this 13dBi Omni Antenna with UAP-Outdoor+ in my wide back yard? I want to provide access to my guests (mobile phones) in my 200m x 200m back yard. Is it good to use this setup for directly connecting mobile users to this antenna and AP?
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Um, yeah. 1/4 mile through trees at 10ft..... not gonna get anything. lol
300mbit but 70mbit in speedtest. wtf?
2.4 isnt that good..
It's a way longer range than 5.0 so idk what your talking about
fast.com is so trash. Please stop using it. It says on my gigabit connection is actually 3.5gigabit... Come on now...
Well, fast.com measures your speed to the Netflix servers. ISPs love to do traffic shaping on Netflix traffic, so that might be what's causing it. For what it's worth, I get the same speed on fast.com as I do on speedtest.net.
Yea - I just like it because it's literally a fast speed test...and it has a BIG result that doesn't show my WAN IP. Works well for videos...normally I use speedtest.net for my own tests though.