Speaking Freely: The OT Panel (Now in 4K!)
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- čas přidán 8. 05. 2024
- Remastered for a new generation in 4K! In 2000, four Scientologists who had reached the level of OT VII (Peter Alexander, Tory Christman and Greg & Debra Barnes) sat down to discuss the difficulties they faced on Scientology's upper levels.
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This was my first honest talk with other OT's, in 2000, after escaping out of Scientology...after 30 years "in". 🌹2024: Scientology is STILL trying to stop their critics & ex- Scientologists & failing utterly.
"EPIC FAIL" 👍🌹🤗
I love you Tory!!!!
Great insight into Scientology. I can’t help wondering how these people are today. Do you keep in touch with them Tory?
I have stayed in touch with Greg, and he is doing great! He and Deborah soon after this divorced. Peter I do not know about, either .💖👍🩵
2024: One thing I need to clarify: I did *think* I had "huge wins on OT 3". However, the fact is Scientology (via L Ron Hubbard who wrote me telling me to 'handle/get rid of Epilepsy & we'll see you back in the Sea Org then"), constantly insisted I get off my medicine for Epilepsy.
So after OT3, I figured I'd now "handled/gotten rid of" Epilepsy. So I stopped taking part of my medication that controlled seizures, completely. Thus:
I went into Status Epileptic...multiple Grand Mal seizures. I called a friend who I knew was on the fence & would take me to the hospital vs miles away to a Scientology Dr.
At Morton Plant hospital my Drs told me once I came back to consciousness:
"5 more minutes and you would have been DEAD".😎
I hope you share this with Lara FM, Jessica, DOA and the rest of gang protesting in LA. ❤
1:10..."I found out my church was LYING to me...." Deborah Barnes .
" Why are we when "in", as Scientologists ~always~ fighting?" (Me)❤ Note: Tory Bezazian was my married name. Soon after this, my now ex- husband divorced me, stayed "in" Scientology & re- married another cult member. My name is Tory Christman 🌹
Yes, I know you Tory. You’re an inspiration to me. You’ve got moxy and integrity 👍🏽
Just caught this video and it's just mind blowing that this discussion was 24 yrs ago and these people are saying exactly what those leaving today are saying. How in the world can this cult keep it's tax exempt status??😡
Such a cautionary tale of how intelligent, well-meaning people get sucked into this nonsense. Thanks, Mark
So great!! I watched this in about 2017 when I was scouring the internet for info- I was just floored by all of your videos. I’ve watched the long interview with Debra and Greg Barnes a zillion times; it’s just fascinating. Cheers to Wise Beard Man! 😊
This is how speaking out should be. Wonderful, classy and impactful people. Not this ridiculous soap opera we have going on today.
Really excited to see this one. I never watched it before it was removed, and Tory talks about it all the time. Thank you for giving it some love and putting it back up.
I’ve wanted to watch this video for years but I couldn’t find it. Thanks for reposting it!!!
This video needs to be shared by everyone, all these facts are still true.
I thought I watched every single one of your videos but I somehow missed this one, thank Dr. Wog for the re-upload!
Same, or else my memory is becoming suspect 🙄
@@upmayo9741 This and other videos were taken off of CZcams because of copyrights on the music I used. They now allow the music and give the ad revue to the copyright holders.
@@MarkBunker That's unfair, it should be at least 50/50 with you.
@@upmayo9741 it should…but I am at least happy they can stay online now.
What happened to the Barnes? They are so terrific, they should have a channel.
This is so good - thank you Mark Bunker
Thank you for posting your videos. They are illuminating.
Saw it when it first came out on his website. Can’t believe 24 years have passed! Where did the time go?
So Amazing. Thank you for sharing this 💜
This is such a good discussion, hope more people get to watch/rewatch all of your excellent content Mark.
Awesome! Thanks for posting this one, Mark. And in 4K no less. I have never seen this one. I love the one with Greg & Debra, they’re so captivating. I have rewatched that one a couple of times. I’m excited about this one also since it has the ever lovely and amazing Tory Magoo 😊
Thanks Mark, amazing videos ! 🥇☺️
One of my favorite videos from the xenu tv days
Yes! I'm so glad you brought this back! Thank you, Mark :D
Thank you for posting these. Great discussion on this episode. Looking forward to watching more. What would be interesting is what happened to these after. Of course, we can see Tory on her channel :)
This sums up the cult very well. More of this needs to enter mainstream media for the masses to see.
This one was removed at some point, this is a really good one!
OT3-8 were there to separate the wheat from the chaff.
This is incredible footage. Mark you are a real OG. I would love to get an update on how these people are doing. Especially the Barnes family, they seem wild lol!
This is soooo interesting. Thanks Mark.
Bridge to total enslavement
Loved it. Thanks Mark!
21:55 „ golden age of brainwashing „
These re-releases are fantastic.
Just Wonderful
20:44 „the only thing fun was eating „
I absolutely love the Barnes and I hope they are doing good in the present. I would love to see them in some of the more modern videos with Aaron or Mike rinder.
Enjoying your videos greatly wise beard man. Keep them coming
I only wish Mark had asked them how much it cost in 2000 year dollars to get to OTVII.
Tory all these videos you did before the Aftermath Tv show they sold your idea Mike Rinder did it LOL You are an amazing women then & now Much love ❤️🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼❤️
💎💎💎❤️
Never in, but saw this and marks other videos about 10 years old-and have been following this ever since. Great to see again.
So many Hawaiian shirts in this era of Scientology-watching.
I would love to see a follow up about everyone in this video (except Tori, we know her 😊😊😊)
I think Debra said propaganda but with her accent it sounded like crapoganda and now I have the BEST new word 🎉🎉🎉
Greg is so handsome. I heard he divorced Debra and has since come out. I don’t know if that's true...maybe just wishful thinking on my part.
Did Peter ever get his son back?
I ran into Peter's son years later in Pasadena and he had a rift with his father at that point. I have not heard from him since.
What happened to the Barnes couple? I always wondered!
They split. Greg was living in southern Florida last I heard and I think I Debra was in Hawaii.
@@MarkBunker Aww that's sad, as long as they are both happy now, is all that matters
Mark Thank You so much for posting theese...It helps put meaning to the history of this ongoing struggle. Of course we are able to understand alot thanks to Tori...
These are such great interviews... especially because they were made right after we all 4 shed "the church" of scientology.
The woman with black hair is an odd one. Also she and her husband do not seem like a well matching couple. Does anyone know if they stayed married after leaving Scientology?
They divorced pretty soon after this.
Whenever I watch these, I always think: How can you believe this rubbish?
but the truth is, I can never understand their reasoning because I was never in their position.
It’s like trying to write what sound is to a deaf person. You will never be able to understand their frame of reference
Sounds like they still believe in "the tech."
We did not have access to ALL this information on the Net. I got "in"...in 1969! Scientology is a slow train of mind control. Watch "The Truman Show"....that IS how Scientology works. 🌹
I do not, and I don't think the Barnes' do. None of us have seen Peter, so who knows? Thankfully we are ALL out! 👍💜🩵🌹
@@ToryChristman-ky3cx please don’t misunderstand me. I never blame individuals. Sometimes I just have to stop and remind myself to get out of my own bias.