9 speed ZF 9HP48 and Chrysler 948TE TRANSMISSION SERVICE. You should know the TRUTH. Get Flashed.
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- In this video, I try to cover a topic thats keeps coming up in the facebook Jeep rooms..Can you, or even should you service your 9 speed transmission..No matter what Chrysler says, some are still determined to make this call for themselves and they have that right..But in this video I will let you know what you up against in trying to do a transmission service on your 9 speed transmission.
How to do a transmission service on the ZF 9 speed transmission here: czcams.com/video/suDFRqmxQhY/video.html
Has your opinion on this stayed the same or changed? Leave it alone or drain and fill? Mine has 117,000 miles with original fluid
@@brianw.520 leave it alone if its still under warranty. If not, yes do drain and refill.
@@OnlineMechanicTips I don't think it's under warranty, bought it used from a Toyota dealership. Also occasionally it will lurch forward and slam into gear when shifting at low speed (around 14mph)
@@brianw.520 Have you had it scanned.
@@OnlineMechanicTips by the dealer? No sir. Is this something that I can do personally with a scan tool or does it require the more expensive type? Also yes subscribed and love watching your videos and shorts. You've helped me a great deal. Currently trying to diagnose a misfire as well
People need to know that Jeep's definition of "lifetime" for transmission fluid is 100,000 miles, which is about the typical life of someone who trades in their vehicle.
Yes Chrysler and other manufactures that use ZF transmissions doesn't have a service interval on the transmission because if you do nothing to the transmission it will last past the warranty period that they give you. The issue is that the company ZF who builds and also designed these transmissions say these transmissions should be serviced 8 years or 50,000 miles which ever comes first. No transmission fluid not even the best and most expensive ones will last forever. So I would think some kind of service (even just fluid) would be better than no service.
Exactly.. and cheaper than a Transmission!!
This is what I would do if I bought a used vehicle with this transmission. I would pick a trans up from a salvage yard 20,000-40,000 miles if I plan on keeping the vehicle 5-10 years. Now, you can change the valve body, filter, torque converter and all seals as the years go by. You pay for used trans up front you way ahead of the game. Oh, change the sensors you ready like new.
Like clock work. I just came back from a road trip and during that time I crossed the 100k threshold and now the transmission is making the winding sound. Other then this, my Pacifica has been a great vehicle.
If you should not change the fluid why is the fluid black and burnt at 40,000 miles. Transmission now only last 60k if you do not service it and putting the filter inside the transmission case makes sure you do not change the filter. But now 2022 Chrysler vans tells you to change the transmission filter at 60,000 miles and it takes 14 hours to R&R transmission. Do not buy a New Chrysler with 60k on it unless they did the 60k service. It will cost you $3000 to try to save a transmission from premature failure. Next we will have cars with life time engine oil and no dip stick to check the oil. See how long and how it will cost for a new/rebuilt transmission first before you buy it. Back ordered!
all fluids have to be changed eventually, all fluids and lubricants break down over time.
Fuel for life. All 100,000 miles of it!
This is what i did.
Drain trans fluid. Measure the amount drained. Refill that amount. The fill plug is tricky to get too. But use a pump n mopar trans fluid for the 9speed
Thanks for your excellent, user friendly explanation. Great job!
YW, and thanks for watching the video bud.
Telling you to not change your fluid is a scam to get you to go to their dealership to get a new transmission.
JT, thanks for the info you have had so far on the 9 speed transmission in a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. My daughter has a the 4cylider. I told her when she wanted to buy this car we would be spending lots of time together on keeping this car going. Well now we are having the transmission rebuilt by a good transmission friend of mine. She was driving and it went completely out. It wont stay in park, it rolls, grinding through any gears. Any more info or tips on the rebuild of them if you know would be great for any owner! The Jeep had about 115, 000 miles.
. Wow, this the first year the 9 speed ZF version FWD trans showed up in the Cherokee. Not much you can do at that point. But, im not sure how a rebuild would be performed seeing that there arent any rebuild parts. (at least from FCA) When we have internal issues with this 9 speed ZF unit, it either gets a valve body or replaced. We simply have no other options. But I hope they get you back up and runnung bud.
Fill For Life sounds nice until you think about what the company considers an appropriate lifespan for a transmission. 🤣
Right? My Caliber transmission was burnt up before the car had 100,000 miles on it. Then they tell me I need a new $5,900 transmission. I rebuilt it myself. I don't trust anything Chrysler says at this point.
Great tips!! We have a 2019 compass with the 9 speed and our dealership told us the same thing… also said that because all the fluids are now synthetic we shouldn’t have to replace anything ((except engine oil changes)) for the first 65K
What’s your take on this??
I have 2017 jeep renegade trailhawk 2.4 it has 160 000 km I don't know it's need fluid change or not ?
Thanks for the info. I'm dealing work a big Trans leak on 2015 cherokee latitude with the 3.2 engine 9 speed trans
The same ZF 9 speed is fitted to European diesel Honda C-RV and Range Rover Evoque and Land Rover Discovery Sport. No need to change filters in most modern transmissions. If the filter is blocked enough to restrict oil flow, then the transmission is past its best and something will have failed inside.
As far as changing fluid goes, my own C-RV is now subject to a service campaign to actually change the fluid as soon as possible. Mine is a 2015 build with only 45,000 miles on the clock. No towing. It does 'moan' a bit in certain gears at cool oil temperature in certain gears and it will be interesting to hear whether this quietens after a fluid change. It's not loud now by any means, but it is somewhat noticeable.
By the way, it is an exceptionally nice gearbox with great change characteristics, especially for downhill engine braking, in the C-RV. Apparently this is not always the case in Cherokee or early installations in LR and RR models. I cannot fault it.
This is fitted to my Honda CR-V twin-turbo diesel. A 20015 model. It has a Honda bulletin specifying a fluid change at the next service. I checked for outstanding recalls and bulletins using my serial number and it came up. Mine has only covered 45,000 miles but some at this age will have covered two or three times the milage easily. They must have found some issue in service that indicates a need to change the fluid.
wow, I wonder why the need for the fluid change since they hammer in on us not to change it? curious..Thanks for watching bud
Looks like just drain the fluid and replace with new and hope for the best is all you can do.
Hey buddy, just want to say thank you for the video. It was very informative being that you are a tech at the dealership I have a 2015, Chrysler 200 with the nine speed V6 all-wheel-drive platform and I’m experiencing a noise that sounds like a wheel bearing that is intermittent coming from the front right side. It seems to be some thing that is very noticeable when the transmission is warmed up as opposed to the first 15 minutes of driving is there a bearing that is anywhere accessible that can be changed by pulling the front drive axle out or is there a bearing inside the actual transmission that goes bad on these things. My car has 85,000 miles and has been very well taken care of the sound. I am referring to is very similar to that of a wheel bearing noise that comes from A worn out wheel bearing , but I have pretty much ruled that out given the fact that the noise doesn’t go away if I turn the wheel in the opposite direction, taking the load off the right or left side, The same goes for the front as well. It just has that metal on metal sound that is similar to Worn out brake pads against a rotor, but I have new brakes all the way around any input would be grateful. Thank you very much.
We have this transmission in Hondas too. We suggest every 80k and it's $600. Beyond that, they don't want us doing anything to them.
Same here, but some customer insist on getting it done when they warranty expire..I did a video showing how its done and opened up the case to get to the filter. Very hard job ..Hey bud, Ide be honored to be on your elite subscription list, thanks for watching
In the Chrysler's, where did you fill? Left side of the diff housing while running?
Where is the place I can refill the trans fluid drained from the pan? How much will I need?
czcams.com/video/c4ZB1HIbmqk/video.html
Thanks for being a straight shooter
What does Chrysler consider to be the lifetime of the fluid or transmission?
This is a question every customer needs to be asking before denying a fluid service on any of their fluids. Nothing lasts forever.
Basically how much do you charge to change my transmission fluid. 14 Cherokee 3.2. Dealership says they won’t service because because of mileage
THANK YOU for the great "Demo" on how to replace the filter. Can you just replace the fluid every (I don't know 60,000 miles?) and not bother with the filter since you HAVE to drop the tranny to get at the filter? THANK YOU JT YOU DA MAN!!
Yes. Theres a drain plug on the bottom. We do drain and refills all the time bud
Hello. I want to buy a 2014 Jeep Cherokee. Mileage 45,000 miles. Gearbox ZF 9-speed transmission. is this box a problem? What breaks most often and when? Thank you
I change my tranny fliud in my 18 renegade 9 speed every 30000 miles but I use mobile 1 lv hp fliud it runs 10 degrees cooler too
Can you post a video on how to drain and fill the transmission fluid on a 2015 cherokee with the ZF9HP transmission..I want to service my wife's car and I don't believe any fluid as "lifetime"... everything breaks down.. her car fills jerky when shifting gears from parking to reverse and to drive.. thanks man.. just subscribe.
My main issue with transmission service is the fill plug.. it's kind of tucked away and hard to get to.. want to know how you would open fill plug without removing the entire unit from car frame. Thanks again.
Hey bud, thanks for watching and subscribing. Yes, I own a 2017 Cherokee with this same transmission and I have to bring my truck in for service and will do a drain and refill on it as well. I will film the process and explain in details what should be done, thanks for watching
@@CRHILTON87 there is a guy that has a video changing fluid on a 2017 crv and he had a funnel with a long neck for the fill plug
Hi, thanks for the video BUT where is the fill plug/hole?
Hey my friend it's on the right side of the trans just above the pan
Hi sweetheart. Do you do transmission comparisons? If so can you compare these two?
ZF 9HP transmission vs Jatco CVT
The ZF is WAY better. Those Jatcos are garbage...
Hi there. If I decide to do the drain/ refill, is ok to put exactly the amount that I take out and compare with the temp graph using the dipstick? And what amount will probably come out from the drain plug?
man bud, im sorry im just seeing this. But yes, you cant go wrong by installing the exact same amount that came out.. As far as how much come out, Im not sure, the last time I open up a 9 speed was to do a valve body and quite a bit came out when the VB was removed..Thanks for watching, please subscribe, thanks
@@OnlineMechanicTips
I read somewhere that about 4 quarts may come out when drained. I'll try it soon. Thanks!!!!
Hi again. So I did the drain and refill. Exactly 4 quarts came out. My renegade has 90k miles and I felt a huge improvement on its perfomance. I did have to buy a long silicone hose to use with my funnel for refill. I will do again maybe in 30k.
so where is the oil fill plug then? and how much oil does it take?
Its on the driver side below the CV shaft
Hey, my 2014 Jeep Cherokee has warning saying “service shifter” and “service transmission” with “restart vehicle t zero speed” with the traction off. This happened a couple of other times but upon restarting after many times it goes away and the car shifts smoothly for a month. Do you know what this can possibly be an issue of? Many thanks your vids are very useful.
Hey bud, what ever it is it likely was picked up by the computer. Im sure theres a fault code in your computer. Have you had it scanned? Also are you subcribed to the channel?
@@OnlineMechanicTips the code that came up one time after searching up said “clutch positioning error” and yes I am, real helpful content!
good day sir, do you have a video on how change tranny fluid and filter on a 2017 jeep grand cherokee laredo or do i even have to change it according to chrysler? thanks so much
Hello my friend. Your Jeep likely equipped with the 8HP transmission. I have a video on this service on a Ram 1500 which is the same transmission here: czcams.com/video/19CaOrzS1B4/video.html
thanks you for your kindness sir 🙂
@@OnlineMechanicTips i have about 69kms on it close to 70k. what is the service interval sir? thnks again 🙂
@@putszie0076 I think tge ZF website call for it at about 60k
@@OnlineMechanicTips thanks so much sir 🙂
Hello! After a failed reset oil life attempt, the message appeared ,,service transmission restart in park with vehicle at zero speed".
Can I reset to default values?
You should be able to depending on your scan tool. Did you just replace the TCM or something?..Please sub the channel btw.
@@OnlineMechanicTips I only changed the engine oil, oil filter, diesel filter, air filter
Nice video, No nonsense and right to the point. Now what I am curious about is the flush procedure for this box. Between which points does the flush take place?
The Valvoline rep that came out and trained us on there new so called flush machine had us using the cooler lines
Hey my friend please subscribe to the channel for me, thanks
@@OnlineMechanicTips So engine on and in neutral then because you cannot pusch through the pump?
@@OnlineMechanicTips So no bypass connections for the pump and in order to flush the engine you must run engine with gear in neutral?
Not much on the net on the 9Hp and with preliminary search on a 9HP for our hybridization project you have been the best source with your answer. Now how can I externally bypass the pump?
I have a 2018 Promaster City 2.4L 9 speed transmission that went bad. Somebody wants to sell me a 2019 Promaster City transmission and say it will fit and it's identical. How can I confirm this? I looked at both and they do look identical.
Hey bud, dont really go by looks. There should be a tag on those trans with part numbers on them. If they match you will likely be fine. Also are you subscribed to the channel?
@@OnlineMechanicTipsI am.. But there is no way to know using online resources if a 19 tranny will fit an 18?
@@OnlineMechanicTips for 2019 would you know if that tag is metal or stamped or just a white sticker?
But to Chrysler, the life time, is by a set mileage that they say is the "life time" of the transmission!!!
Thanks for posting this!!!
Great information thanks!
I'm thinking about buying a Honda Passport with the ZF9? What are your thoughts? Is this a bad trans?
I work where they make this transmission. It depends on the year. 2015 and 2016 were rough years for 9hp. Things got better with 2017 and beyond. Hope that helps.
@@theonlykog 2014-2015 were the bad years. Specifically 2014
Yes I liked and subscribed
Thank you my friend. I appreciate that.
subbed, thank you, i have a 2018 trailhawk 3.2... trans says its 9 speed but i dont think i have ever seen it shift into 8th or 9th?
Seen? If you drive a car equipped with such a transmission, you likely would loose track of what gear you in even if you paying attention.. When I go on a test drive, starting off im trying to keep track but loose track after about 6th gear. We test drive using the scan tool so for me its better to see what gear im shifting into when im trying to diagnose this type trans.
@@OnlineMechanicTips I went to California this last weekend and when i pull it over to shift it manually it tells me what gear its in, I could never get it passed 7th. i could shift into 6th.. but never not the other way around, after a phone call to my local jeep dealer they told me all the conditions have to be perfect for it to shift to 8th and 9th... meaning they have no idea lol. I asked her what the requirements were she had no idea. i dont think this is right
@@shawnwalden2669 Watch the "Alex on Autos" video about how the ZF9 works (czcams.com/video/Z7EMGnjEhmE/video.html). That 9th gear will not come into play unless you are hitting 80 MPH. He explained that this 9th gear was more for European drivers where the Autobahn is a race track (and part of the US such as eastern Colorado where the State Police does not actively enforce speed limits unless you are driving in an unsafe manner) and most American drivers may never get to the 9th gear. Depending on where you drive and how fast, you may not even get to the 8th gear.
I have a 18 renegade with the 2.4 and the 9 speed I've seen the tranny go into 9 gear but it happened when we where goi g around 90 mph and on a straight Hwy with no wind
Mine shifts hard from 1 to 2. Have you experienced this? Do you think it's low fluid? Thank you in advance
Thanks for watching..you should only suspect low fluid if yo have a leak..these trans are sealed..also first thing I would do is to make sure your TCM up to date..there are several computer flash updates out on this trans for shift improvements..please subscribe to the channel for me, thanks
@@OnlineMechanicTips I have a 19 with 56k doing some weird shifts...do I have to go to deal to update tcm?
@@ET74019 Hello my friend, curious if the check engine light on? Most dealers will not touch it unless the CEL on. Also are you subscribed to the channel? If not can you please subscribe, thanks
@@OnlineMechanicTips I just found yeah hadn’t hit it yet have been watching a few videos of yours since posting that comment. My light isn’t on..it’s just doing strange things...like most of the time I’m at 65 miles an hour it’s supposed to change to a lower rpm, it hasn’t been doing that lately, kinda comes and goes on that. Plus when I let off the gas to make a turn sometimes the rpms go up to 4-4.5 down to 3 back to 4.5 and gets stuck almost like it’s slipping gears or something..then all the sudden it catches at a low rpm like it should...I’ve taken it in before and they can’t duplicate it. It’s been happening more the last couple of weeks. I do have an extended warranty and I’m assuming that’s one of the things covered
@@ET74019 Yes, smart to get that extended warranty. The thing about that erratic shifting is that most of the problem is software related. Now I would say this, the only repair to this 9 speed ZF unit dealers are allowed to do is a valve body. And that plays a major role in shift pattern. But if your controllers has not been updated, thats the first thing they would do
Nice job,
When it starts having issues that is end of it. Servicing is wasting of money. Not only this car, all newer cars are no filter service. They have from inside behind valve body and clutches.
Thats not always the case. There are some things you can get done to repair this trans
@@OnlineMechanicTips I'm not talking about replacing trans. I'm talking about filters bro. Can you replace any newer Hyundai and Ford trans filter without tiring a part trans?
@@tamiibrock6176 All filters in ever trans can be replaced. Its just to expensive and to much work to do it on most newer cars. So the way you wording things kind of not accurate.
@@OnlineMechanicTips you're. My point is not a single trans filter can be responsible without removing from cars and taking a part trans.
Very informative.
Does this transmission have that severe bang when downshifting??
Yes it did
@@OnlineMechanicTips thanks. I do not see a fix for that issue.
@@theripoffchicago hey bud, there is no diy fix you can do. This is a ZF fully electronically controlled trans..everthing you need to know is in the trans module. Was there any fault codes? Also are you subscribed to the channel?
That explains why the dealer refuses to do a trans service on our 2015 200S AWD.
yes, lol, trans has to come out. czcams.com/video/suDFRqmxQhY/video.html
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“Lifetime" ATF means usually it lasts 100.000-120.000 miles and then you change it and the transmission. Sad things changing the filter is that complicated.
lol, You have a point..Thanks for watching. I would love to join your elite subscription group you have. Please consider subscribing to the channel,thanks
@@OnlineMechanicTips Sure thing dude! You've got really good content.
From what I hear they expect the transmission to last 100k then you replace the whole thing. So for life is about 100k lol
So far, my wife 2015 Cherokee limited has 208k miles on the clock. Same transmission, 4 service, but we have had the transfer case replaced do to bushing failure. Completed at 204k. Any vehicle can go the distance when maintained. Thanks for the video, keep it up.
Well if I'm going to pullbtge trans then I am going to replacevtge whole dam unit. Even if its been hot either that or change fluid before it get dirty. And keep it going as long as possible. Tgats a shame I think you could get alot more miles than if it could be changed out maybe change fluid every 50k and replace the trans when it gives problems. Wow.
Solid video!
very useful to know that
Thanks for watching, please subscribe..thanks
good job
..good to know now ill never buy a new one.
lol, awhhh, dont be like that...Guess they trying to keep up with the imports
You have to change it every 60,000 miles.
explain
@@OnlineMechanicTips they say its a lifetime fluid, then you ask what is the warranty on the transmission. Its 60,000. Thats the lifetime there talking about. So as with almost all synthetic transmission fluid every manufacturer recommends it to be changed at 60,000 miles. Im not talking about the filter. Just the fluid. You can call up every manufacturer that makes trans fluid and other oils and they will tell you the synthetic trans fluid only lasts about 60,000. So are are correct about how hard it seems to make a lifetime fluid.
@@OnlineMechanicTips they cant make it last your lifetime, just the designed lifetime of the transmission. Now most will get over 60,000 miles though.
Stupid chrysler never made a filter for the 9spd , i cant find any anywere plus the fluids ripoff
lol,,they make a filter, just not sure if they sell it by itself..I see them in the repair kit when we use to go inside to do recalls...They almost got a handle on them now..Most of the problems was on the early built units..Lots of improvements since then.
@@OnlineMechanicTips 2014-2015. The first 2 years were very problematic and that goes for all the car brands that used the ZF-9
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