Inside Libya's Militias with Suroosh Alvi
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Suroosh Alvi explores Libya's militias. Libya has been plagued with violence since the 2011 revolution and death of Muammar Qaddafi. Earlier this month, Prime Minister Ali Zeidan was ousted over his inability to control the various militias operating across the country. These militias have opened fire on protesters in Tripoli, kidnapped the former prime minister, and have taken control of oil fields in the country's Eastern region. With little sign of the chaos dying down, VICE News traveled across Libya to take a look at these groups as they hold their country hostage.
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I bet they miss the stability that Ghaddafi offered, I know I would.
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They do,
don' worry, they do. Libya had the highest HDI in the african continent. Higher than morroco, south africa, etc.
Actually for all the evil Qaddafi has done he did his best to make sure Libya was on the top when it came to the standard of living in North Africa. He used oil revenues to benefit his people, from healthcare, free college, new homes for newlyweds he made sure his people would have bright futures compared to the nations around them.
MarsGundam ….I know, hence the comment I made
Here are some Facts you probably do not know about Libya under Muammar Gaddafi:
• There was no electricity bills in Libya; electricity is free … for all its citizens.
• There was no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
• If a Libyan is unable to find employment after graduation, the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
• Should Libyans want to take up a farming career, they receive farm land, a house, equipment, seed and livestock to kick start their farms -this was all for free.
• Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
• A home was considered a human right in Libya. (In Qaddafi’s Green Book it states: “The house is a basic need of both the individual and the family, therefore it should not be owned by others.”)
• All newlyweds in Libya would receive 60,000 Dinar (US$ 50,000 ) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start a family.
• A portion of Libyan oil sales is or was credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
• A mother who gives birth to a child would receive US $5,000.
• When a Libyan buys a car, the government would subsidizes 50% of the price.
• The price of petrol in Libya was $0.14 per liter.
• For $ 0.15, a Libyan local could purchase 40 loaves of bread.
• Education and medical treatments was all free in Libya. Libya can boast one of the finest health care systems in the Arab and African World. All people have access to doctors, hospitals, clinics and medicines, completely free of charge.
• If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government would fund them to go abroad for it - not only free but they get US $2,300/month accommodation and car allowance.
• 25% of Libyans have a university degree. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 87%.
• Libya had no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion - though much of this is now frozen globally.
Gaddafi wrote, “They want to do to Libya what they did to Iraq and what they are itching to do to Iran. They want to take back the oil, which was nationalized by these country’s revolutions. They want to re-establish military bases that were shut down by the revolutions and to install client regimes that will subordinate the country’s wealth and labor to imperialist corporate interests. All else is lies and deception.”
+ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Man-Made_River
Some that Dražen Aranđić states arent true at all, but yes it was Cuban style socialism with more state wealth due to oil, but with even less freedom of speech and less human rights.
hookah604
Freedom of speech is overrated and overused...
not all of that is correct. I've heard different view from actual Libyans
yourchannelization
Libya under Gaddafi had highest standard of living in Africa and better than half of South America and almost whole Asia. You just can't compare it to your US way of living to justify his overthrown and support to rebel thugs that killed him. Libya is desert wasteland with 172 tribes incomparable to European way of living and thinking.
I called this back in 2011...when they killed Gaddafi, I said "they will regret these days" and look at them now
RIP gadhafi, Libya was much better under his rule
dom40864 indeed.
Julianos entheus yeah he was quite cruel but Libya prospered the most under his rule.
Totally nop.. Libya if better without Gaddafi and Militia..
Julianos entheus Americans hate trump and he hasn’t treated anyone in a certain way
Lybia is just lost...
Julianos entheus i agree with you, because i seen it with my eyes
lordaragorn001 zero democracy
Another Somalia, thanks to NATO
+LordLebu only gays like to talk like that
Stan Mboks I can't agree with that. Why do they deserve it?
wtf ?
LordLebu Are you look like soldiers!? In your comment!?
there's a lot of hate flowing around when you should all be considering friendship and brotherhood
another NATO success story
It is, France can claim Libyan oil for a few decades. 150 billion frozen in assests abroad (probably in some EU countries and the US) which means its their money now. The war industry has had employement for a few months.
Jesus Christ. It seems like the Arab Spring brought nothing but war.
Qatar, Yemen, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Jordan, and Morocco have gone through government changes directly as a results of protests with comparably little violence. Unfortunately Yemen has a terror problem, but that is not a result of the Arab Spring in Yemen. Also Lebanon has been pulled into Syria, which is a result of the Arab Spring.
The West has the romantic thinking: believing that democracy can let moderate ordinary people to make their voice heard and create more neutral government. However, Africa and Middle East nations have very localized and luscious resources hot spots and vast number of poor unemployed uneducated population. That meant local, regional, tribal, and religious interests will overwhelm the desire for a unified nation or concerns for national interest. Once you take the account of democracy, minorities/ hot spots locals will be destined to be disenfranchised, thus creating huge incentives for violent solutions.
Yep but they still find a way to blame the US. Its just easier to blame someone else rather than look in the mirror and at your people who are an embarrassment to the rest of the civilized world.
mercedescl
So we should give up, I agree. Free for all. Uneducated, your muslim takfiris demand it.
lol you thought it was to help people? Bruh! We are the United States, we don't do that anymore.
Let the Barqa region have control of the oil fields, its their land, their people they can do whatever they want with it.
Do this channel purposly not allowe their videos to show up on sub box or its youtube?
Excellent coverage! Very well shot and edited.
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
the same thing happened in China,when the Qing dynasty overed,China fell into a same chaos,it's very hard to avoid this chaos after a long period of dictatorship for any country
+Chao Ma interesting,
but china has a majority of han people but libya is composed of many small bedouin and berber tribes
@freddy 19 Libya is mainly an Arab bedouin majority. I am a Libyan and I know.
Mohamed El Libeee well I am your neighbour from Misr and as you said it is mostly bedouins,bedouins are divided into many tribes and they put there own goals ahead of the countries,you have also high population of taureg people in the south west
+freddy 19 +Mohamed El Libeee it's a process of relocation of power,people could be divided into different interest group in many ways,tribe and faith is only a fraction.
Wait guys, are we sure they knew north korea was best korea?
In my opinion, the west have always made mistakes and will continue to make mistakes that if they don't stop meddling in this Arab world it would led to a total blown out war world wide, is good to learn and study a person or a certain region's culture before you take any action, everyone can attest to the fact that there was peace and stability in Iraq during the ruling of saddam, the same applies to libya, Arabs don't need a weak leader, a strong man with a very strong heart is capable of ruling a Arab country, what the west fail to understand is an Arab mentality with culture, behavior and character is like day and night with that of a westerner, the west just cause more deaths and problems, all this nonsense was not happening with those strong leaders were there, now the country is in the hand of outlaws, who is to be blamed? The west, but guess what, the ram you got will knock you down before first before anyone, Libya is a prove to this, the killings at the American embassy, you took out gadaffi, those you help to take him out turn round and kill your people but yet you don't want to learn.
6:59 Allahu Akbar could be more enthusiastic. 6/10.
I'm guessing thats the same North Korean Oil tanker that made headlines after being seized by US Navy S.E.A.L.S.
So this is what revolution looks like..
no this what a counter revolution looks like, a revolution needs years to achieve its purposes
qadafi was right, he said if he fell lybia will fall into civil war.
Seeing the power of the militias, and taking into account that instability is rising everywhere. Only two questions remain:
1. How do you create a militia?
2. Could I do it too?
I don't feel any sympathy for Libya whatsoever. U sold yourselves out to America and now your country is in total chaos. You definitely hot what you were asking for
Oooo yes, but that happens when you have a lots of uneducated people in one country.
Nikola Stamenkovic There are quite a number of educated in Libya. . . But foreign interventions is that hurt us in the truth. .
+Oozingmachismo24 You're Right , Libyans got what they deserved . they were just too dumb to govern themselves .
Religion always a problem...
not always, you don't see a Christian nation doing this… while Libya had a combination of factors leading to this present crisis, religion doesn't seem to be a factor thus far. Im gonna need you to do more background before you just start blaming religion for every problem
***** "you don't see a Christian nation doing this"
How about the Central African Republic?
Go fuck yourself
Reuven Goldstein The violence was started by Muslim militias when I mean those that are majority Christian such as France, Australia, The US etc. Besides the CAR is a volatile country to begin with.
As much as I would like to say religion doesn't cause conflict and evil men will do evil things with any excuse the facts are against me. The Crusades and other wars were purely about religion and multiple genocides have been due to religion. Religion is not a bad thing, but it is used as a tool by bad people.
everyone is saying that arab revolutions ar bad forget about the first arab revolution that starte all these revolutions the tunisian revolution this small countrie managed to make a new constitution and made 2 successful and peaceful elections
+kosksi sofiene Thanks why tunis got fucked up recently
+ᗺ buoyA Libya is rich country are you kidding why they are fleeing to EU.
+kosksi sofiene Because Tunisia has always been far from the GCC influence. Not worth meddling in.
+kosksi sofiene because Libyans were just too dumb to govern themselves
+Filip The Bastard
because the So called
( Libyan Revolution ) was actually not made by the Libyan people
it was made by the terrorists
yes , the one's who were fighting against the Libyan army were just thugs and terrorists ..
How do I know ?
I'm LIBYAN !
Gadddafi was not a Dictator but a monarchy and He help the Lyban people alot Lybia was seen as the Best nation in Africa to live in and he also gave aid to other african nations
Gaddafi was an African hero...not a tyrant
Temura institute of reform song? 9:21
4:23 The subtiles say, WHO THE HELL IS ZAIDAN? But actually he didnt say "hell". He just said "who is Zaidan? Who is he?".
Vice. Please. We libyans arent that aggressive.
Good upload
I would like more of Libya in the future.
Gaddafi was a great man for Africa! RIP
how i see it it's the middle easts version of the dark ages
your exactly right...except in the European version of the dark ages they had swords, knives, and arrows. In this version, they have machine guns, tanks, and bombs.
thanks
Yep you're so right
I see many Blaming NATO and the U.S. But what they don't take in to account is the fighters, if the people felt like their government was fair and just why then did so many rise up to fight. Yes VICE There is a pattern and it shows that Muslim can't keep a stable country always fighting among themselves, look at Iraq before the U.S. Invaded Saui and Shia were oppressing each other for decades after decades and it's still happening. I'm an opened minded guy but the when same shit happens time and time again I can't Ignore anymore. It's not NATO, U.S., or the rest of the world it's the Muslims that create these conflicts, no one else but the ones pointing the finger.
+john roig but what ppl object to is the supply of weapons to these freedom fighters by pseudo legal means by big countries.
+john roig fuck off
they should just make a playlist called, "damn africa what happened?"
I'm from Libya and have watched countless Vice documentaries, this is by far the worst one ever produced.
The glorification of weaponry is disgusting...
As a libyan this makes me so sad :(
RIP Abdlmun'im alsaid 0:20
so happy to see this video. Just proves what a latrine that region is, and glad to know they are doing a great job of hacking each other to death.
Has anyone ever playrd merceneries? It Reminds me of this
Song name in 9:25?
+MICHO 1230 It's the national Libyan anthem.
+MICHO 1230 It's the Libyan national anthem
After the war in Libya the media had stopped giving a lot of stories, so seeing just how useless the new Libyan government is was very surprising to see. I knew Libyan militias ran parts of the country, but not over 80% as it seems.
Gaddafi:Why are you doing this? *coughs out blood* ugh!
Libyan Freedom Fighters:we caught Gaddafi!
What libya would have needed was UN peace-keeping forces, and what it now needs is short-term foreign aid and a political dialogue. It's of no use to start a war now, there should be an agreement about federalism and agreements to hand over power to a central authority, however so far only the barqa region was successful in this.
And which country should take on such commitments? Who wants to risk their soldiers, who wants to pay for their stay there. Much more convenient to take a moment to bomb the country to remove a strong leader to assign considerable amount of money, and then wash hands. Аnd I remember how Russia has warned that it will be, what will be the collapse of the country that will be radicalization of population. Impression that Western leaders do not consider the consequences of their actions, and do not look at what will happen tomorrow.
Before you take out a dictator have a plan, for what comes after.
Note: The guy in the beginning of the video who said "Who the hell is zaidan?" is the one responsible for zaidans' kidnapping and he was killed over a month ago.
Lol! Got what was coming for him
I know one thing...all that money qaddafi was giving his ppl is all in the hands of western powers...what stupid muthefucker would give up free money for civil war and disunity...fuckin stupid!!
Instead of blaming other people, do your history
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Coast
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Tripolitania
RIP
Libya needs to be united again.
The biggest disaster ever to kill Geddaffi so sad , that they have betrayed the own people so sick people to go against their own people ⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️😡😡😡😡
The real reason for Gaddafi's end was that he wanted to change the way OPEC operated. He wanted to change the means of currency which exchanged oil from the US dollar (which is a fiat currency) to trading in a gold standard currency. This would radically change the distribution of wealth from oil from the consumers (the west) to the producers. Since America and the west's life blood is oil; and the fact that they have very little gold reserves compared to countries like Libya and the Arab states; they literally would not be able to afford oil any more. Frankly the only reason Gaddafi was ousted is because he was threatening the western hegemony. Don't believe that the west never backed horrible dictators; they will if it is in their interests without thinking twice about it. Sometimes you need an efficient dictator rather than a useless government.
It’s just kinda cold and daunting hearing the revolutionary anthem through those speakers while men who were just on the losing side of a civil war are sitting in silence looking down some just accepting their death. Despite all the politics all those young men’s lives are now ruined , just a horrible cost of war
please stop this war please
No
Now the big issue about Libya country is lack of governmental care.And to solve this issue is a big problem
Why such a short documentary?
cuz it's vice...
+Diva Bitch no its coz they could have been kidnapped
So a month of national debate, conducted among the many peoples and fuelled of media reporting, leads to revelation of what people want, a short list of 15-20 things (or less, depending on how the debate runs), which may be then put to referendum for prioritization, so that the budget available may be disbursed according to people's wishes, with so much transparency of resource allocation that satisfaction can but be guaranteed so far as may be.
didn't realize the full extent to which the country has been degraded
Potential client north korea : and how the hell north korea going to pay?
They make tons of money from arms sales, conterfiting USD, and selling high grade crystal meth through contacts in their embassies all around the world. They can generate quite a bit of capital using these routes.
TheJeffNasty The funniest part of this statement is the US does all that too. Hypocrite much? I guess the US drug is different but the fact that they control huge portions of the Opium pipeline isn't a good look after you say something like this.
Jason C
The US government doesn't sell drugs to other nations, instead independent drug traffickers do that.
Also, it is impossible for the US government to counterfeit it's own money. If I have to explain why this is I give up on you.
Jason C Uh chief, why are you attacking me for no reason? I'm well aware about US drug operations, the main airstrip they used is not far from where I live right now in Arkansas. I was just answering his question, no need to cry and be rude. :D
Aww snap, my bad dude lol. Sick of hypocrites.
8:05 Daniel cormier?
The tanker had the nort korean flag but this does not mean that the country was behind this traid. In fact it was a egyptian ship with nort korean flag
Is it a prerequisite that you must mumble in order to become a VICE journo?
✊Behold. yet i will tell you all this stop the war and come together💫and the light will rise again
Why?
Sad
Impossible!! I thought Libyans are now gonna have democracy, human rights, they're gonna all be rich and prosperous,living the good life like 'muricans...
on
big problems
This is why we need to mind our own business!
what a mess
THIS LIBERTY WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE US OF A.
Qaddafi isnt a dictator but a loved leader
I love how all these militia leaders argue that they are fighting for the good of their country in the name of Allah, but there is no country left to fight for.
Why can’t the West just start a ground military intervention, take over Tripoli & help install a coalition govt in 🇱🇾 where all Libyans, despite their ethnicity are treated equally with freedoms
Err.. Have you heard of Iraq? They invaded, toppled the dictator, took control and established a Democrat government yet its way worse than Libya to this day.
Wow , what a mess in the name of revolution.
yup spreading Freedom!!
Cyrenaica, I have never heard of "Barqa".
Honestly it looks like the idea of a large nation state simply isn't feasible for Libya or even wanted by it's people, Why don't they simply revert back to tribal lines or maybe to city states?
I dont understand who is weaponising them
When I was in Libya Gaddafi could go anywhere with very little security,compared to western country's.......Gaddafi was a Good Man not a "Dictator"
Some morons are coming on here talking about "democracy." But, the fact is that any nation must be created by one strong individual - as the English nation was created by Henry VIII. (The USA is really just the English nation at one remove - same ruling class.) You cannot just impose "democracy" on nation's who have not gone through this process. As we see in Iraq and Libya, the result can only be murderous chaos. But, that is precisely what the West wants. The West does not want to see African or Middle Eastern countries growing strong and united.
what amazes me is some of these buildings, the ones that are not destroyed, look better than some ghettos in American cities. exactly how bad was it before the Revolution.
I was hoping for the reporter to be Roussinos. When I heard the voice for the first few seconds, I thought "oh no" :(
But then the image appeared. And joy of joys, Suroosh Alvi is back on the front line :)
Now im gonna post the comment and savor the rest of the video.
this just shows that you should not overthrow dictators because they are the one that keep the dogs in check
As soon as someone becomes a person of power, all their previous ambitions go out the door and they think " Ah HAAA, what can I f*ck up?" It's sad for the people who voted. Just like it is in any democracy.
Maybe some people just need dictators to keep them in line?
Did Vice news also make a documentary about how foreign powers destroyed Gadaffi and than the country Lybia?
I think they should have just put up w gaddafi.
i know libyans they are very brave and strong
Rapture, The 8th.
gadafi and saddam hussain should have not been taken out of the picture ever!!!
Gadaffi was a good man for his country but killed by his own countrymen with western countries . what a painful death for a good heart ?? shame of u libya from india
The newest comment was 2 years ago that's the longest I've ever seen
Al Gaddafi was no tyrant or dictator. The was the guarantor for the system of Direct Democracy.
Yuhanna Isa Shalhoub
Did you hear all that on Qatari Al Jazeera?
Yuhanna Isa Shalhoub
Are you even an Arab? Of just some Zionist working in Langley Virginia?
It's back to business as usual for Libya - in its 1000s of years of history it's never been a democracy. It's always been ruled by a rod of Iron. Ironically the closest it came to representative government might have been during the brief period of the Roman Republic.
I love libya...
after Libya's fallen.
"Forced thefts"? do they have consensual thefts in Libya? What a fascinating culture!
WHERE AMERICA GOES CREATES A MESS IN WHOLE REGION
Some people in the world truly do need dictators to tell them what to do bc they are to stupid on their own
this reporter looks like Tim Tebow