Vintage Gaansaraswati Kishori Amonkar -- Bilaskhani Todi -- from Arun Dravid's Original Archives
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2020
- This recording, from a concert on 23rd of March 1977 at J.J.School of Arts, Mumbai is made available by courtesy of Kishoriji's senior-most disciple, Dr Arun Dravid, from his vast collection of her original live recordings from concerts before 1990 which had the distinct stamp of Jaipur Gharana, yet enriched with her skilled beautification of it with her quest for Bhava. As a result, these reflect her refreshingly youthful voice, vibrancy, and musical content not always found in her later concerts.
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I have been deeply pained by a comment from puremusic 1980 (which, and replies to it, have now been deleted) that has lashed at me with deeply hurtful and hateful language with regard to these uploads. I have discussed this comment with Kishoritai’s son Mr. Bibhas Amonkar who has nothing but gratitude to me for preserving and digitising his mother’s music during all these years. Bibhas is also pained at the puremusic 1980 comment, but supports the project of making her music available to music-lovers at large. However, to avoid such painful acrimony in the future from people like puremusic 1980 who, without disclosing their identity, may use many means to discredit, intimidate and harm me, I have decided to stop uploading on CZcams Kishoritai’s best music particularly from her younger years. Instead, I will work closely with Bibhas to upload it on a website that will be owned by the Amonkar Family Trust which is in the process of being registered with the authorities. So please wait patiently for a few months till I publish the rest of the treasure on that Trust website. This way, I will not have to face offensive comments from hateful people ever again. Bibhas has agreed that the 15 uploads released by me through the Sangeetveda1 channel recently need not be taken down. I am most thankful to all those who have given fitting replies to puremusic 1980 in my support.
Dr. Arun Dravid. - Hudba
No singers get the divinity which just overflows in Kishori tai’s music. In two minutes of listening my eyes are welling up. 🙏🏻
The best there ever was 🙏🏻
This is further to all very kind and supportive replies I have been receiving from my fellow music lovers. I am completely in agreement with your sentiments. However, I would like to consider the pros and cons of uploading the recordings on a website. I am currently stuck in the U.S. due to the Covid situation. When I am able to return to Mumbai, I shall have a detailed dialog with Kishoritai's son Mr. Bibhas Amonkar placing before him a copy of all your replies on this subject. If he agrees to continue the uploads on CZcams, I shall resume the releases. If the best way forward is to upload them on the Amonkar Trust website, then that will be the new format. Hence I request all of the music lovers and Kishoritai's fans to wait until we make the final decision. Till then, please enjoy what has been uploaded already by Sangeetveda1 as well as by some other channels.
Thanks a lot! It makes absolute sense. Recent recordings will keep us occupied until then :)
Dear Pt. Dravidji Thanks a lot for your kind words. As I understand this problem arose after the upload of Kishoritai’s recordings. If there isn’t a problem, is it possible for you to upload the recordings of Mogubai Kurdikar as you had said earlier and after discussions with Mr. Bibhas Amonkar, you can decide the fate of the archival Kishoritai recordings.. We will all be very grateful as the same are very difficult to come by and very few even on CZcams. If discussions for even the Mogubai Kurdikar recordings are required we can understand..
Please consider that you are doing a social service (समाजसेवा) by uploading these recordings hidden from the majority. I have not read 'hurtful' comments you mentioned. However, I am not sure why you should become so sensitive to get affected by comment/s of one nasty person or a group of persons having malicious intention. Since I began by mentioning "Social Service,' I will also highlight some examples. As you know, all great social reformers, such as Agarkar, Karve, Tilak, Savarkar, Ambedkar, etc. have experienced extreme hate from a section in the society. Our bad experiences are really nothing compared to what those persons had gone through then. Therefore, my suggestion to you is just laugh and ignore such comments and follow my solution as below:
a) You can write you memories/anecdotes or relevant information in the notes below each video and disable comments OR b) You can open the comments and participate in the discussion with the audience. In case you get an inappropriate remark, you can just delete it.
Hope my suggestion encourages you to continue sharing your treasure which will help enhance appreciation for your Guru's art and sacrifice. Your social service is spreading joy in a section of the society.
@@rareindianclassicalmusicpr8744 It is the wish of Mr. Bibhas Amonkar to publish remaining original archives on the family Trust website. I shall try to convince him to continue the CZcams platform. This will take some time as I am currently in the U.S., unable to return to Mumbai. Please understand that there can be copyright issues. There has to be the family's consent to continue to publish these. Please have patience, and let us find a safe way forward. I assure you, I will do everything possible to release all the balance recordings of not only Kishoritai but also of Gaanatapaswini Mogubai Kurdikar. Just have patience. Thank you. I am fully with you on the underlying sentiments you all have expressed. I will print out all these comments and show them to Bibhas Amonkar when I meet him.
@@arundravid4352 OK. Thanks.
Best form ever of bilaskhani Todi. Extremely beautiful rendition by Vidushi kishori amonkar. Lover her voice. My all time favourite artist
No words to describe and express my feelings
Tai, you will always be unparalleled. 🙇🙇🙇🙏🙏🙏
This is uncut string of Sweet JILEBI !!
:-) well said -- its counterpart is treacle tart, in English
🎉❤🎊💐🙏
Dr Dravid, please think of the divinity in Kishoritai's music and ignore adverse comments. There will be always people who are petty, gross, and damaged. Ignore what they say. Please share the music in any form you feel appropriate. We will applaud your efforts. ... Dr Milind Padalkar
Divine. अद्विताय। ताई खुप खुप धन्यवाद।
Thanks for this
Wah mast 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
No words, just grateful....
Bliss ahaaaa
Very nice 🙏🙏🙏
Beautiful
Devine experience in few seconds
v.nice
This is lot different than other version available on youtube.
😊will certainly expect to be intimated how to acvess the Trust website, once it is uploaded.
An ardent follower of her divine music, I look forward to listening to those recordings of her yester years. Namashkar.
Excellent ! What beauty............................................. what mastery ! You listen to this and just bow in admiration.
In case you have not seen this earlier, please read the comments by Mr. Arun Dravid and others regarding an unfortunate & sad situation which I came to know today. I have already provided a solution. Please second in case you agree with my opinion.
@@rareindianclassicalmusicpr8744 Firstly I would like to mention that the 3 / 4 full concerts of Kishori Tai that you have posted have been a gift , a blessing. I for one have derived so much of joy and solace from those uploads. So again I must Thank you. I am a person who has more than a very serious interest in the music of Kishori Amonkar. It is in this connection that I came to interact with Shri Arun Dravid. Off the current situation where Shri Dravid mentioned that someone posted a derogatory comment directed towards him in the context of his recent uploads on Sangeetvada1 - I have not read them - I don't know what all this is about. I followed every upload on a daily basis and then suddenly they stopped. Given the state of these times initially I was a bit concerned - I thought and Dattaji - whom I am told is an elderly gentleman may have had an health issue ( God forbid ! ) Anyway it was only after reading the situation here that I realized what has happened. I have read your comment to Shri Dravid about his suspension of uploads - I totally agree with you , with Aditya Kulkarni and others. But I have interacted with Shri Dravid on an earlier issue - that was when he stopped Adina Haider of Basant Bahar from uploading recording of Tai's concerts in the US ( Festival of India ) . One recording in Chicago was released - it was force ably, amidst a lot of noise taken off. ( I must say that subsequently someone released it and it is available on You Tube - but Haider Adina will not upload the 3 others fearing reappraisal. ) During this episode I interacted at length with Shri Dravid - this lead to nothing but unpleasantness. An earlier episode many many of Kishori tai's uploads were suddenly removed from Sangeetveda1 . So THIS is the third time ( I am aware of ) where something has happened pertaining to Shri Dravid and Tai's music. ) I find it laughable that anyone could have been so hateful in their comment/s - that he should feel that he would be harmed , humiliated or injured in any way due to uploading Kishori Tai's music. Similar issues of copyright and involving permissions from Mr. Bibhas Amonkar were sited then as they are being on this instance. WHAT can one say - Shri Dravid is clearly a very intelligent accomplished person . If he chooses to take such a stand then it is his decision - I don't think I would like to say anything to him even though I have very strong feelings about this matter. This is why I am replying to you without saying anything to him. Just a Thankyou for what he has released to date. A comment about attempts at uploading all his collection on a Amonkar Trust website - I do not believe he has an idea asto how difficult it would be to be able to set-up / administer and run a web-site such as what he envisages. But again who am I to say anything. That is why , on this instance I will not put my thoughts across to him. In ending I just wish that he continues with his uploads - he will have out thanks and gratitude.
@@anandketkar2191 Thanks. I understand. After knowing the history, I am unable to control laughing:-)
@@anandketkar2191 Additionally, I read somewhere that there are many unheard/unreleased live concert recordings of Pandit Kumar Gandharv available with his family members. I assume that people read my notes below most of videos. For example, I have written a note, relevant to this topic, below multiple videos:
"My appeal to everyone:
Please try to digitize and upload if you have old and precious recordings, especially live performances, of legendary musicians. Currently, your contributions will be valued and most importantly, those legends will be appreciated for their art. In the future, there may not be any demand for your so called "priceless," "gems" or "treasure" if you suppress or ignore those recordings which are in your possession right now."
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@@anandketkar2191 Dear Shri. Ketkar, I just read your long comments which is obviously written without any knowledge of two serious episodes that hindered my continuation of release of Kishoritai's treasured recordings. Particularly the deletion of the previous set of recordings on Sangeetveda channel (not Sangeetveda1) had a very bitter history which you may not know. I DID NOT STOP THE CHICAGO CONCERT UPLOADS. I simply have a background of how the entire Sangeetveda channel was taken down by Google on account of copyright complaint by a person who misled Tai and engineered it. I just advised Basant Bahar channel to be careful with such people, and he then removed the Chicago video. I want to set the record straight. If you wish to know full details of both ugly incidents, email me and I shall give you the full history so that you don't cast aspersions on me. Thank you.
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Dear Friends - there is One Rendition of Todi - where at the end Madam Kishori ji sings Tarana - with Balkrishna Aiyer on tabla - and he recites the Bol - that was a Beautiful combination I ever heard - I am not getting that Mehfil's link - If anyone has please let me know
Dear Dr Dravid,
I am of your generation, though just a little younger. Like you, I am appalled by the idiocy which has been generated by the 'social media' which seems to determine so much of what happens in today's world. It brings both good and bad - the good includes CZcams which, in the opinion of Deepak Raja is now the foremost medium through which we now encounter Hindustani classical music - and the bad which includes all those social channels in which people are encouraged to express whatever opinions they like, no matter how uneducated, poorly informed and frankly stupid those opinions may be.
Unfortunately, the latter is a fact of life which we of the older generation must come to terms with. However, there are checks and balances which do help. 'Trolls' as they have come to be known, will receive their just punishment by those who will rush to the defence of those who are trolled and the stupidity or malevolence of the trolls will be soon be revealed for what it is.
In my own case, I know that if I make comments on newspaper articles in relation to any currently sensitive subjects, at least one or two abusive replies are guaranteed to follow. I just ignore them and am content to know that 99% of other readers will also ignore them.
However, it is important that we do not succumb to the pressures of the trolls - as one commentator has already pointed out. We must fight back and defend our sense of propriety and our sense of what is reasonable. So please do not feel hurt by what has happened in this circumstance. Rather, fight back and continue your life-long contribution to the world of Hindustani music.
I have just listen Bilaskhani Todi of Kishori Tai, loaded by Adtiya Kulkarni. Most of the listeners viewed it as Rageshree . I am also of the same opinion. Kishori Tai may be experimenting by finding common tunes of both ragas as these two rags of ' viraah ' ras ( sorrow mood) . This is actual exponent of Bilaskhani Todi.
The other one, Tai uses murchana on gandhar to make it sound like Khambavati(a close associate of Rageshree). In fact, she uses the same bandish as her Khambavati. Such was the genius of our Tai.
@@gauravdjgm Gaurav, correction: the Moorchhana on Gandhar is in fact with Rsgeshri, not Khambavati.
"You cannot segregate ” feeling ” in life from “feeling” in art; for their roots go right down to that land which everyone owns but no one knows-i.e. the human mind."
Kishori Amonkar.(10 April 1932- 3rd April 2017)
What a Bilaskhani with the essence of traditional Todi this is!!OMG😲I think this is one of her best Todis!! Blessed to listen itself
Can I have Lyrics?
Dear Sir , why give a chance for puremusic to be successful in hurting u and stop the uploads ? If it has turned in this direction , Puremusic stands successful in his objective , isn't it ? Rather continuation of the great work would be a better idea to defeat Puremusic . After all ,with so many public comments supporting , u might have realized that your direction is correct . pl. don't stop uploading . Websites and other forms intruding the direct access are the obsolete modes of reaching the music fraternity now. Let the music world listen to Tai . The viewership numbers itself is a token of millions of fans .
Dear Suhani, Kishoritai's soon had asked me to stop uploads until his website is ready where he would like to upload future recordings. I cannot go against his wishes. Please understand my constraint. I am still trying him to persuade him to allow me to continue these uploaded. You can approach him in Mumbai to request him to let me continue these uploads.
It is my personal opinion that Vidushi KISHORI Tai is Greater than her mother (Mongubai Kurdikar), Kesarbai Kerkar and Hirabai Barodekar
I have been deeply pained by a comment from puremusic 1980 (which, and replies to it, have now been deleted) that has lashed at me with deeply hurtful and hateful language with regard to these uploads. I have discussed this comment with Kishoritai’s son Mr. Bibhas Amonkar who has nothing but gratitude to me for preserving and digitising his mother’s music during all these years. Bibhas is also pained at the puremusic 1980 comment, but supports the project of making her music available to music-lovers at large. However, to avoid such painful acrimony in the future from people like puremusic 1980 who, without disclosing their identity, may use many means to discredit, intimidate and harm me, I have decided to stop uploading on CZcams Kishoritai’s best music particularly from her younger years. Instead, I will work closely with Bibhas to upload it on a website that will be owned by the Amonkar Family Trust which is in the process of being registered with the authorities. So please wait patiently for a few months till I publish the rest of the treasure on that Trust website. This way, I will not have to face offensive comments from hateful people ever again. Bibhas has agreed that the 15 uploads released by me through the Sangeetveda1 channel recently need not be taken down. I am most thankful to all those who have given fitting replies to puremusic 1980 in my support.
Dr. Arun Dravid
This is so hurtful to all of us Arun Dada. I wish we get ways and paths to access her music somehow and without disturbances. I am just so grateful for your persistence in your attempts to communicate Kishori Tai herself, to us. It has helped me and many singers widening the horizons in this never ending oceans of music. Her music slowly has seeped deep inside us and I have always felt that each note of Tai leaves me with a deeper and better understanding of music itself. Thank you so much and please please do make her music available for us. I apologise for the comment from my side too.🙏❤️
The few months will seem like years for us Sir. But I respect your decision. I also feel pity for the person who is unable to comprehend the magnitude of your generosity. If not for you, so many of us would have never gotten access to this treasure all our lives.
@Arun dravid Sir, quick suggestion: why not upload with comments disabled which way it woudn't give a way for hateful speech? One person creating this issue is really harming all of us and your so painfully preserved musical recordings. I really think youtube is still a better way to reach most of the world which is patiently waiting for the miracles to unfold. I respect your final decision though. :)
Every day at least 10 times or so I try to search youtube to see if any new upload came through....This is the anxiety level everyone listening and waiting for uploads through Sangeetveda1 has I am pretty sure.
@Arun Dravid I second Aditya here. Sir, while we understand and empathise with your pain and anguish, if these beautiful and pristine uploads stop, it would seem that Puremusic 1980 has been successful in his malicious motive and this seems to be the sole purpose for which his/her profile was created on the same day as that on which the shameful and reprehensible comment was posted. It also sets a dangerous precedent that any person can make a fake profile, post unverifiable comments, make insulting and derogatory remarks and thereafter succeed in his/her attempt to make uploaders like yourself/Sangeetveda1 and others from stopping uploading precious music and get away with this scot free. While starting a website in the name of Kishoritai and uploading the recordings there seems like a nice idea, it cannot match the reach of CZcams which will give not only students of music but also lay listeners a chance to listen to Tai’s concert recordings. Most people wouldn’t even know about a website unless they specifically search for it or are expressly told so. The final decision obviously rests in yours and Mr. Bibhas Amonkar’s hands but it would be in the interest of the music and music lovers that the uploads on CZcams continue while disabling the comments and later the recordings can also be uploaded to the website as well to form a database/archive. Another option could be to form a CZcams channel exclusively for Tai’s live concerts from your archives and the uploads can continue obviously with comments disabled. Music lovers should not suffer the folly and malice of one person.. That said if stopping the uploads on CZcams is your final decision we respect it..