@@avendurree Not really a dream in some MMOs, once other classes have ways to get crit as easily as Slayer, they'll be just as good. It's just currently Slayer has crit for free which the other classes lack unless they sub into it, and given how crit works in NGS compared to the base game, Crit is pretty silly.
I like big damage, doing frame perfect combos, flaunting my own skill to myself and always doing at least 90 floors on bloody palace, so yeah, Slayer is for me.
Slayer doesn't feel as clunky as some of the other classes I tried to get into in NGS, and I always prefer aesthetics over mechanics. I like iaijutsu, but otherwise am not a fan of katanas, and would much rather have a cool gun with a bayonet as my weapon of choice, so Slayer was an easy pick for me.
People apparently had problems when the Slayer came out. Apparently, the Slayer class is a revamp of the old Luster class, that also used Gunblades. The problem was that the Luster had Aerial capabilities, and it was a melee class with long range attacks, so old Luster players found out that it is very different from their class, focusing on long range with melee attacks. It left them sitting ducks in the air
@@garreonlefay6703 And that's really their fault for thinking the Slayer was gonna be a 1:1 copy of the Luster. None of the classes from base PSO2 were exactly the same in NGS, so they shouldn't be surprised Slayer isn't.
I picked up on Slayer pretty fast. Within the first day I learned it's rotations and discovered the best way to deal damage. With only learning the s taking me longer. But the reason I did was most likely because I mained Luster in base. It took me a week to learn Luster's rotations and almost a month to learn the optimal way to play. Even 6 months after I started I was learning new nuanced stuff of Luster. So that experience helped a lot with Slayer, since both of their game play is very similar.
I really like Slayer, the risk/reward type of playstyle. I picked it up real quick because it reminds me of Ranger's WA in a way and that was it. Mastered it right there. So I have 2 mains now, the ranger and the slayer.
I struggle against Bujin a little because I'm not a huge fan of constantly spamming counter. I can do it it's just not as intense lol (why I don't play my Braver class as much). That's my only complaint. It's ridiculously fun and the grenade kicking is one of my favorite PAs so far 👌🏽
@@AlmostLakai94 the move art of sirius can evade a lot of bujins attacks, and rigel move art can also put you above most of them. If you don't want to counter slayer has the mobility to evade a lot of bujins stuff. And even when you do, side step counters or the weapon action into weapon attack follow up get you back into the fight fast
Yea slayer can beat braver, also as a hardcore luster main back in pso2, this new slayer is not really that hard more like a normal difficulty and others think it is hard but nope, the class just released recently so of course it feels new and kinda hard (except me it is so easy to use due to being luster main) Also sega should update other class as well because it is so weird that all class is kinda basic looking while slayer is like brandnew that devs put a lot more attention to it xd.
True there's no double shift(dash) no space command for rising up and down (stay arts) also the double weapon action. The 3 style of luster varies as well
Slayer with Braver sub is also pretty nasty, and also the add on skill generate for braver and slayer being for crit is pretty amazing. Too lazy to math but maybe we can get like 40-50% crit rate now which is pretty nice I suppose Br/Sl would work too? But you don't get as much benefit from Slayer that way.
Slayer has easily ended up as one of my favorite classes. And my main build is Hunter/Braver. I Really like having Braver as my sub-class but slayer skills is pretty awesome as well
I'm still leveling slayer and my gear isn't optimized, but I think it's gonna be my main for my t2 who was gunner/ranger. I love the gun blade for its pure style. I have felt a little squishier but not enough to bother me.
Coming from Hunter Sword I really wasn't sure if I was going to like Slayer at all but I am loving it. Trying to parry through an attack with pa's when I started Slayer was hilarious, old habit I'm breaking after 1600 hours maining Hunter lol.
Skill has short animation, Fast pace, High dmg, Not too hard to play and Easy parry. I wish Soaring blades were that easy like Gun blade. And Braver imo is like turning the game into super easy mode
You must be really good at countering with both of Bravers counter skills. Most people arent that skilled and just opt to spam Braver skills without getting the insane benefits from Bravers passives. Very high skill ceiling. I cant stand when people say "easy" because, for normal people, that isnt easy. (Ive always loved high skill ceiling classes in games. Especially with counters)
Was a Techter main since I started playing this last year, and got my first solo S-rank in purps about a couple weeks back which is not easy to do with that class let me tell you lol. Techter will always hold a special place in my heart, timing downs properly and knowing when to use compounds provides a sort of puzzle-solving aspect for each boss which I quite enjoyed, and also I just like playing support. Been waiting for Slayer for a long time and I have to say it'll probably be my main class from now on because of how much easier it makes it to solo content. It is a goddamn DPS monster, and the time splits I have gotten for purples with it have matched or even exceeded the ones I've gotten with the class that I've been playing with for months....and my Techter setup is far more optimized than my current Slayer setup (I did not anticipate Sega pulling a Sega and switching up Gunblade's damage type at the last second, thus I had invested heavily in addi Deftmeltechs confident that the armor would be good for both Techter and Slayer, silly me). Hope they give Techter a much-needed DPS boost, but until then I'm probably maining Slayer.
For me i think techter dps is fine, maybe a slight boost but i want it to actually feel like a support... its just one skill we can push virtually any time to fart out a shifta/deband cloud. Like seriously buff shifta and deband. Why play techter if you want to support when you can play ranger and give a better offensive buff to your party with weakbullet. Deband? That may very rarely stop a one shot from a giga and thats about it? One niche scenario? On top of it being defensive so if your team doesn't get hit its useless? What about overemphasis? When resta is abundant and there is no way to tell your allies PP to check if you should give them more pp. Heck of the non techter classes I've played a good amount of, needing PP on downs was almost never a concern. Heck when I have techters in my party that move NEVER gets used... Bro just give techter some support. I beg you Sega
It all comes on your playstyle, I struggle to play on certain classees like Techter, but I trend to think on the fly what to do, because of that I don't have problems to adapt as Slayer, Braver is kinda like an easy mode nowdays if you ask me, but in the end both classes are nice, my current setup is Waker/Slayer as I'm very used to Waker to discard the class at the moment.
Idk how people are falling for the whole flavor of the month gig, braver is still superior unless your literally a god at Dodge timing and button mashing after every input. Why do all that when you can still get faster clear time on braver
The latest random challenge has Slayer having the fastest times in 2 out of 3 cocoons and the other cocoon has fighter being the fastest clear time lmao.
Tbh I've been stuck on Bouncer/Slayer as of late. I myself am extremely indecisive in how I like to approach combat and like to be able to approach from pretty much any angle at anytime if I can (as they say: jack of all trades master of none but often times better than a master of one) and multi-ing jet boots and an elemental gunblade let me do exactly that while also capitalizing on elemental down boosting (or physical down when I switch to SB/GB). Plus gunblade allows me to close gaps while simultaneously regaining PP which is really nice for any melee range weapon
I love slayer class but I feel like it's missing something that makes it more engaging. If it has some mechanics from Luster class like the forms but make them as active skills, I would say it'll be very fun changing forms with different move arts. I dunno but that's just how I felt about the Slayer class.
>Braver fully optimal DPS locked behind high skill ceiling Weapon Action Counter and Braver passive skill that acts as another source of DPS, both demanding perfect timing and enemy knowledge >OP: "Psh, Braver is totally easy and accessible" Idk about that one, chief. Just framing abilities with Slayer is a lot easier than learning how every enemy in the game moves/attacks and forcing yourself to hit counters for max dps potential. Braver takes more discipline than any class in the game. Theres also the fact that with you needing to play up close, youre at the risk of getting one-shot or eating big damage if you fail either of your counters. I come from Fighting Games and insane Action Games like DMC, just framing is childs play. Perfect counters leading to huge dps are for men.
My favorite right now is Fists Fighter sub Slayer. Slayer on its own is fun, and definitely feels powerful from a numbers perspective...but Fists "feel powerful" in a way that makes me personally happy in a similar way to punching everyone's heads off with ballistic fists in FO:NV.
giving this a like just because you had the cojones to admit youre not good enough for slayer haha. Personally I'm loving slayer, and funy enough I feel like it really reminds me of playing base game braver in a lot of ways. It's like a middle ground between base game braver and luster (much easier to play than luster tho lol)
I can agree. Playing luster in pc was a breeze but in ps4 and w/ controller? Yeah id take slayer instead since my only concerns then is trying to survive and see if i can pull off relentless blade (which i end up doing either a skip to normals or doin a slug shot instead).
Tried game now, and found this video, even though it's old, i dunno why slayer considered hard, i literally spam "weapon action" button which looks like average melee attack, and it parry everything, from any angle, you're like invincible, you don't need any timings, you just spam it. Braver at least need to block at the right time, even though the timing is quite easy.
Braver is definitely more forgiving a class to play and has solid DPS with a katana build. With bow, the burst damage potential is higher, at the cost of sustained DPS. Basically a modification based on preferred paystyle. One of my characters runs a Braver because it is so solid. Slayer, I am still feeling out on another character, but I enjoy it immensely. Even without perfect play, the DPS is through the roof, but you still have to get good with the class to crank out the numbers even with less than perfect play. For Slayer, I recommend that if you want to go with it, play it from level one and focus only on using that class' mechanics from the start, switching to main once you are comfortable with the rotation of the PAs to work out the other stuff. Gunner gets you used to being aggressive due to how that class handles and how it is crit dependent as well. Fighter could work, but gunner is also precision specced. As I said, both classes are solid and fun in their own way.
Honestly as someone invested in the ratech side of things and prefer asthetics instead of mechanics id go with slayer. Id follow the ratech trend by going slayer/waker by after seeing it in action id break tradition by going slayer/gunner instead (my gunner's at level 70 so early neos a gunblade). Id still like to try slayer/waker tho one day and level waker as well.
I transitioned into Slayer pretty easily since I played a lot of Luster back in the base game, and my muscle memory of how to play Luster hasn't failed me for Slayer due to how similar they both are. If they nerf Slayer for whatever reason, I'll still main it, the class is an absolute blast to play.
ive played luster a lot so it was pretty smooth for me to transition into slayer some of the moves are the same as lusters just turned into PA or just different input to use same move.
it´s a range class and ranger is my main class since retem purp cause we hadn´t active ranger for it. I stick on ranger but i think slayer is a better option as a sub-class now compered to the gunner. If feels better with pp management with slayer then gunner. Next class what comes is a pure melee class or range/tec (phantom like) or melee/tec (etoile)
yeah i am sricking with force/braver bouncer, played a lot of luster/phantom but slayer for me ist it honestly, it is cool yes but the countet window is short and in the future you are bound to get more ways to get crit also i dont have like 30m to change all my addi capsules so thats that
Slayer as main-class is great fun, But suck ass a Sub-class, Too many main-class restriction skills -- Like.. for example : Slayer as main class benefits from other class active skills like Braver and Bouncer But the others did not really benefits from Slayer at all, well outside of the passive skills anyway.
I low key would main slayer and have braver as sub . because both there kits are interesting to use tandem with eacother. I made a combo with slayers gap closer and the short range braver combo.and use slayer counter tons of slashing and close range combo's
When I was 16, I used to be able to play DMC3 perfectly. Getting hit even once was considered a failure for me. I've kept that mindset through the years in many other games. Slayer is the closest an MMO has ever felt to a character action game for me. Even BDO felt lacking. I don't mind the Slayer's squishiness at all. Why should I worry about defense? Wanna know the best defense? Just don't get hit. And with Slayer's mobility and being able to frame-cancel out of almost any animation with a Weapon Action, I have all the tools I need to do just that. I don't even touch the other classes anymore. I'm all in on Slayer.
I understand where youre coming from, but, your takes are wrong. BDO is far more difficult and less forgiving than PSO2. And with Braver, your main objective is to stick close, burst damage, and use both of your counter abilities to avoid all damage and punish with the most dps in the game, resulting in you never taking any damage if youre skilled enough.
I agree with the general comparison but imo Braver is like sleeper easy mode and Slayer is like average difficultly. Once you get the hang of it Slayer is pretty easy but I have to admit that I might have a skewd perception on difficulty because of my experience. The only reason I'm still playing a bit of Braver is because Katana fashion is unmatched imo
for me its slayer that are better since im basing on adrenaline a class can give you... You can hold block on braver but on slayer you have to time WA properly and dodge properly..
I can only imagine they'll make slayer a little more forgiving in time. Braver was fairly brutal when it first came out and took a couple patches and surveys for them to hone in on where it's at.
@@XeroJin84 luster was also already beyond broken when it came out. Not to mention NGS and base being very different games. It's very likely they'll lengthen some timings and invulnerability frames like they did with braver, ranger, and most of the classes in game. There's also just the typical new class bugs. The amount of times I've heard the counter queue and still gotten hit in the last week is more than I ever did with braver.
I like the the visuals on the class and the aggressive play style but the double the ammt of pa based on wether or not you are holding a direction is unfun. To me it feels like carpal tunnel: the class.
I have to admit i transition to Slayer easily due to how i used to play Devil May Cry series as a kid, since that game surprisingly has Slayer Mechanic(Relentless Blade being Exceed, and directional skill input) tho it being the Carpal Tunnel class is i can see why people think tbh, unless you know the Relentless Blade timing you will ended up spamming and giving yourself a carpal tunnel XD
The way I see it, i will play braver if i just want to turn of my brain and do damage and be safe at the same time. All PAs have generous s, no need to perfectly time button presses, its impossible to die as braver because of how generous the auto parry is every PA. If i want to be more engaged and be an actual try hard at the game, ill swap to slayer which has a little bit more complexity in its mechanics and actually have to time inputs and counters.
I main braver and sub slayer and multi the gunblade to katana. So I use everything but slayer skill with my braver. I send u a video of my build so far ok.
Before I even watch the I know Kero is gonna lean more towards Braver. It’s okay I do to:). I just can’t get used to the basic Slayer attack it feels off to me.
From trying to level both Braver and Slayer. I feel braver is easier to play. As for slayer I think 8m gonna multi weapon with another class. That way I some simplicity and some power, but I still need play time with both classes.
Im a JB Bouncer Main since PSO2. But lately I dont really know. It feels like the boots cant quite keep up anymore with all the Damage builds. Im honstly dont know if I would want to main Slayer. I would need to get a whole new armor set plus agments plus weapon. Dont know if its worth it tbh.
As others said braver if you want turn off your brain also braver if you want more on skill that involves parry with a shockwave not just braindead parry with no counter just plain block.
Slayer. Ngs did braver DIRTY and still has it feeling weird, they should've just called it something else so I wouldn't attach the og to the new thing. Slayer is fine since it embraces it new vibes and plus it's fucking fast
braver is a stable class, fun gp, ez to understand/play, slayer class is the same both is good meanwhile partisan user: I can't use my tornado right now because ill get hit and die....not now...... NOWW!! *get hit and die anyway* sega pls we need to cancel u cool animation
id say br/sl katana gun blade is a great combo you have a great gap closer w the charged gunblade and WA the gunblade WA does huge dmg and has range to its hits so if its a hit you can land the parry on use gunblade WA save the katana WA parry for moves w shittier hitboxes and timing it also gives you a huge high dmg aoe PA that groups enemies too to then go into braver aoe and shrek a group of enemies i see /sl being a great utility overall since braver has the skill for melee/ranged dmg conversion too so far id say slayer as a sub for braver or for launcher ranger are the two best uses of its actual kit itself that doesnt require any mixed stat setups (te/sl is seemingly nuts rn)
The latest random challenge proved you wrong. Slayer has the fastest clear time in 2 out of 3 cocoons (and the top players 4 of each of those cocoons are slayer. Guess which class got the other one? Fighter. Lmao.
the answer is very easy neither slayer took gunblade and took the "blade" part away only focusing on the shooting part. as for braver? i respect bow bravers but i despise katana bravers because everyone flocks to it its obnoxious and probably the holder of the worst weapon due to the blade of the weapon always being flashed for 1 second hardly even able to see it before its gone again giving you no time to admire the design, but then again i forgot most people playing it are like squirrels on crack. i wish braver was buried and never returned for ngs and instead a new class that focuses on the saber aspect and maybe a pistol like classic pso but then again sega dosent care about pso anymore only about scratchs and their sinking ship of a game.
Um I'm an amateur coming in with PS4. I know people who plays Slayer tons better than I. I went Braver because of your recommendation but for a 'filthy casual' like me? I love slayer. It's fast,furious and strangely enough? I die as often as if not less than I did as a braver. My HP is only 660 and I have no wear near top gear and use trunk gear because it lessens dam maybe? But yeah. Slayer all the way.
Slayer has lower defense than Braver by base so that could be the reason for your death, and don't worry after a bit of practice you will be able to live longer as Slayer, and if anything fail a single Dread Keeper IV can help with survivability its a loss in DPS but the worst DPS is the dead one
I used to play katana braver quite a bit when I was fairly new because of how easy it was to use After a bit I replaced braver with soaring blade bouncer because it gave me more options and more damage Eventually I multy weapon soaring blade and katakana wich gave me more options and more damage, use soaring blades when braver time not running and use katakana with braver time running. That became my set up for bosses But the class I use most of the time is gunner With the sub either bouncer or braver Now after playing with slayer I use Gunner/slayer Slayer/gunner Bouncer/braver Ranger/gunner Ranger/slayer Slayer in general doesn't do more damage over all than my bouncer/braver, but it has more options in my opinion But I can say it has a way more stable damage output compared to my bouncer/braver wich oscillates Burst damage wise I don't really feel like either is better
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The answer is simple, regardless of what the add, what you find more fun is the best class
@@avendurree Not really a dream in some MMOs, once other classes have ways to get crit as easily as Slayer, they'll be just as good. It's just currently Slayer has crit for free which the other classes lack unless they sub into it, and given how crit works in NGS compared to the base game, Crit is pretty silly.
I agree, given the long periods of grinding need to play what you enjoy. I’m enjoying slayer combining photon arts has reminds me of DMC.
@@avendurree effortless damage, you nail it.❤
I like big damage, doing frame perfect combos, flaunting my own skill to myself and always doing at least 90 floors on bloody palace, so yeah, Slayer is for me.
Sorry I like the slayer just because it's gunblade
Slayer doesn't feel as clunky as some of the other classes I tried to get into in NGS, and I always prefer aesthetics over mechanics. I like iaijutsu, but otherwise am not a fan of katanas, and would much rather have a cool gun with a bayonet as my weapon of choice, so Slayer was an easy pick for me.
People apparently had problems when the Slayer came out. Apparently, the Slayer class is a revamp of the old Luster class, that also used Gunblades.
The problem was that the Luster had Aerial capabilities, and it was a melee class with long range attacks, so old Luster players found out that it is very different from their class, focusing on long range with melee attacks. It left them sitting ducks in the air
@@garreonlefay6703 And that's really their fault for thinking the Slayer was gonna be a 1:1 copy of the Luster. None of the classes from base PSO2 were exactly the same in NGS, so they shouldn't be surprised Slayer isn't.
I picked up on Slayer pretty fast. Within the first day I learned it's rotations and discovered the best way to deal damage. With only learning the s taking me longer. But the reason I did was most likely because I mained Luster in base. It took me a week to learn Luster's rotations and almost a month to learn the optimal way to play. Even 6 months after I started I was learning new nuanced stuff of Luster. So that experience helped a lot with Slayer, since both of their game play is very similar.
I really like Slayer, the risk/reward type of playstyle. I picked it up real quick because it reminds me of Ranger's WA in a way and that was it. Mastered it right there. So I have 2 mains now, the ranger and the slayer.
I struggle against Bujin a little because I'm not a huge fan of constantly spamming counter. I can do it it's just not as intense lol (why I don't play my Braver class as much). That's my only complaint. It's ridiculously fun and the grenade kicking is one of my favorite PAs so far 👌🏽
@@AlmostLakai94 the move art of sirius can evade a lot of bujins attacks, and rigel move art can also put you above most of them. If you don't want to counter slayer has the mobility to evade a lot of bujins stuff. And even when you do, side step counters or the weapon action into weapon attack follow up get you back into the fight fast
Hunter...
Yea slayer can beat braver, also as a hardcore luster main back in pso2, this new slayer is not really that hard more like a normal difficulty and others think it is hard but nope, the class just released recently so of course it feels new and kinda hard (except me it is so easy to use due to being luster main) Also sega should update other class as well because it is so weird that all class is kinda basic looking while slayer is like brandnew that devs put a lot more attention to it xd.
True there's no double shift(dash) no space command for rising up and down (stay arts) also the double weapon action. The 3 style of luster varies as well
Phantom class is more challenging for me as phantom katana, PA has variation when using weappon action
I enjoy Brraver more
Slayer with Braver sub is also pretty nasty, and also the add on skill generate for braver and slayer being for crit is pretty amazing. Too lazy to math but maybe we can get like 40-50% crit rate now which is pretty nice I suppose Br/Sl would work too? But you don't get as much benefit from Slayer that way.
Slayer only has a couple main class skills. Do those skills make that much of a difference?
Running BR/SL(Because Braver is better, dps-wise)
Kerropi don't need to be so humble. But slayer is a great class for massive dps
But is it worth being a glass cannon?
@Roval Jax just don't get hit lol
Jk
I’m rocking slayer/braver gun blade/bow it’s pretty fun
Slayer has easily ended up as one of my favorite classes. And my main build is Hunter/Braver. I Really like having Braver as my sub-class but slayer skills is pretty awesome as well
I'm still leveling slayer and my gear isn't optimized, but I think it's gonna be my main for my t2 who was gunner/ranger. I love the gun blade for its pure style. I have felt a little squishier but not enough to bother me.
Coming from Hunter Sword I really wasn't sure if I was going to like Slayer at all but I am loving it. Trying to parry through an attack with pa's when I started Slayer was hilarious, old habit I'm breaking after 1600 hours maining Hunter lol.
Loving your content my dude. So hyped to play this game again!
Skill has short animation, Fast pace, High dmg, Not too hard to play and Easy parry. I wish Soaring blades were that easy like Gun blade. And Braver imo is like turning the game into super easy mode
You must be really good at countering with both of Bravers counter skills. Most people arent that skilled and just opt to spam Braver skills without getting the insane benefits from Bravers passives.
Very high skill ceiling. I cant stand when people say "easy" because, for normal people, that isnt easy.
(Ive always loved high skill ceiling classes in games. Especially with counters)
Was a Techter main since I started playing this last year, and got my first solo S-rank in purps about a couple weeks back which is not easy to do with that class let me tell you lol. Techter will always hold a special place in my heart, timing downs properly and knowing when to use compounds provides a sort of puzzle-solving aspect for each boss which I quite enjoyed, and also I just like playing support. Been waiting for Slayer for a long time and I have to say it'll probably be my main class from now on because of how much easier it makes it to solo content. It is a goddamn DPS monster, and the time splits I have gotten for purples with it have matched or even exceeded the ones I've gotten with the class that I've been playing with for months....and my Techter setup is far more optimized than my current Slayer setup (I did not anticipate Sega pulling a Sega and switching up Gunblade's damage type at the last second, thus I had invested heavily in addi Deftmeltechs confident that the armor would be good for both Techter and Slayer, silly me). Hope they give Techter a much-needed DPS boost, but until then I'm probably maining Slayer.
For me i think techter dps is fine, maybe a slight boost but i want it to actually feel like a support... its just one skill we can push virtually any time to fart out a shifta/deband cloud. Like seriously buff shifta and deband. Why play techter if you want to support when you can play ranger and give a better offensive buff to your party with weakbullet. Deband? That may very rarely stop a one shot from a giga and thats about it? One niche scenario? On top of it being defensive so if your team doesn't get hit its useless? What about overemphasis? When resta is abundant and there is no way to tell your allies PP to check if you should give them more pp. Heck of the non techter classes I've played a good amount of, needing PP on downs was almost never a concern. Heck when I have techters in my party that move NEVER gets used...
Bro just give techter some support. I beg you Sega
Well those two are easy anyway. Try SB or Partisan or Wire. If you Braver mains really think Braver is the most difficult melee class.
It all comes on your playstyle, I struggle to play on certain classees like Techter, but I trend to think on the fly what to do, because of that I don't have problems to adapt as Slayer, Braver is kinda like an easy mode nowdays if you ask me, but in the end both classes are nice, my current setup is Waker/Slayer as I'm very used to Waker to discard the class at the moment.
I'm loving Slayer but it's so damn squishy😅
watching your group just "melt" the dark Falz like that Effort! 4:30
you can hit sub 10with a real good rando team but normally a random team will take like 14ish minutes
Idk how people are falling for the whole flavor of the month gig, braver is still superior unless your literally a god at Dodge timing and button mashing after every input. Why do all that when you can still get faster clear time on braver
Yea fr couldn't be me.
Maybe not everyone is into braver?
Braver is boring
The latest random challenge has Slayer having the fastest times in 2 out of 3 cocoons and the other cocoon has fighter being the fastest clear time lmao.
I appreciate the honesty.
Tbh I've been stuck on Bouncer/Slayer as of late. I myself am extremely indecisive in how I like to approach combat and like to be able to approach from pretty much any angle at anytime if I can (as they say: jack of all trades master of none but often times better than a master of one) and multi-ing jet boots and an elemental gunblade let me do exactly that while also capitalizing on elemental down boosting (or physical down when I switch to SB/GB). Plus gunblade allows me to close gaps while simultaneously regaining PP which is really nice for any melee range weapon
I love slayer class but I feel like it's missing something that makes it more engaging. If it has some mechanics from Luster class like the forms but make them as active skills, I would say it'll be very fun changing forms with different move arts. I dunno but that's just how I felt about the Slayer class.
Slayer is easy mode. Just spam wep action. Lol. Fighter DS still best/ most fun for me.
>Braver fully optimal DPS locked behind high skill ceiling Weapon Action Counter and Braver passive skill that acts as another source of DPS, both demanding perfect timing and enemy knowledge
>OP: "Psh, Braver is totally easy and accessible"
Idk about that one, chief. Just framing abilities with Slayer is a lot easier than learning how every enemy in the game moves/attacks and forcing yourself to hit counters for max dps potential. Braver takes more discipline than any class in the game. Theres also the fact that with you needing to play up close, youre at the risk of getting one-shot or eating big damage if you fail either of your counters.
I come from Fighting Games and insane Action Games like DMC, just framing is childs play. Perfect counters leading to huge dps are for men.
I appreciate your honesty in stating playing perfect aint for you.
SL/BR for best Crit DPS (don't forget to generate add-on skills for Slayer)
Yeah I think I lke Slayer/Braver better than Slayer/Fighter
What?
this is too easy. BR = No AOE. SL = AOE. Periodt.
My favorite right now is Fists Fighter sub Slayer. Slayer on its own is fun, and definitely feels powerful from a numbers perspective...but Fists "feel powerful" in a way that makes me personally happy in a similar way to punching everyone's heads off with ballistic fists in FO:NV.
I feel ya, for me playing slayer is like im using Lucky.
giving this a like just because you had the cojones to admit youre not good enough for slayer haha. Personally I'm loving slayer, and funy enough I feel like it really reminds me of playing base game braver in a lot of ways. It's like a middle ground between base game braver and luster (much easier to play than luster tho lol)
I can agree. Playing luster in pc was a breeze but in ps4 and w/ controller? Yeah id take slayer instead since my only concerns then is trying to survive and see if i can pull off relentless blade (which i end up doing either a skip to normals or doin a slug shot instead).
Slayer downs enemies and bosses a lot! I’ve been soloing UQs and I’ve done the bosses so much it’s been back to back
Now solo purples
I’m sticking with my beloved jet boots until the end of time
Kerro wont say it outright but slayer is the meta class now. The fact the class alone has made the termina fixa outshine fatale now says alot.
It's funny that slayer with auto-skilling is much stronger than human manual play
Thats what Im trying to say.
However, Slayer needs to just-frame and counter/dodge appropriately, which is an aspect of skill.
Did he get a fresh cut??
Looks nice asf
Tried game now, and found this video, even though it's old, i dunno why slayer considered hard, i literally spam "weapon action" button which looks like average melee attack, and it parry everything, from any angle, you're like invincible, you don't need any timings, you just spam it. Braver at least need to block at the right time, even though the timing is quite easy.
Slayer is where is at for me, I'm here for it. Luster main so Im baised, Much love for Braver.
Braver is definitely more forgiving a class to play and has solid DPS with a katana build. With bow, the burst damage potential is higher, at the cost of sustained DPS. Basically a modification based on preferred paystyle. One of my characters runs a Braver because it is so solid. Slayer, I am still feeling out on another character, but I enjoy it immensely. Even without perfect play, the DPS is through the roof, but you still have to get good with the class to crank out the numbers even with less than perfect play.
For Slayer, I recommend that if you want to go with it, play it from level one and focus only on using that class' mechanics from the start, switching to main once you are comfortable with the rotation of the PAs to work out the other stuff. Gunner gets you used to being aggressive due to how that class handles and how it is crit dependent as well. Fighter could work, but gunner is also precision specced.
As I said, both classes are solid and fun in their own way.
Honestly as someone invested in the ratech side of things and prefer asthetics instead of mechanics id go with slayer. Id follow the ratech trend by going slayer/waker by after seeing it in action id break tradition by going slayer/gunner instead (my gunner's at level 70 so early neos a gunblade). Id still like to try slayer/waker tho one day and level waker as well.
I transitioned into Slayer pretty easily since I played a lot of Luster back in the base game, and my muscle memory of how to play Luster hasn't failed me for Slayer due to how similar they both are. If they nerf Slayer for whatever reason, I'll still main it, the class is an absolute blast to play.
I may go back to Bouncer as soon as I get enough resources to build a Neo Astrean Jet Boot, but I’ll stick to Slayer for the time being.
ive played luster a lot so it was pretty smooth for me to transition into slayer some of the moves are the same as lusters just turned into PA or just different input to use same move.
Same! Id even got used to base gunblade prior to ngs.
it´s a range class and ranger is my main class since retem purp cause we hadn´t active ranger for it. I stick on ranger but i think slayer is a better option as a sub-class now compered to the gunner. If feels better with pp management with slayer then gunner. Next class what comes is a pure melee class or range/tec (phantom like) or melee/tec (etoile)
yeah i am sricking with force/braver bouncer, played a lot of luster/phantom but slayer for me ist it honestly, it is cool yes but the countet window is short and in the future you are bound to get more ways to get crit
also i dont have like 30m to change all my addi capsules so thats that
I just comeback playing(lv20) and notice there are AI teammate help me when I go farming, anyone know how to turn it off?
Slayer as main-class is great fun,
But suck ass a Sub-class, Too many main-class restriction skills --
Like.. for example :
Slayer as main class benefits from other class active skills like Braver and Bouncer
But the others did not really benefits from Slayer at all, well outside of the passive skills anyway.
What about hunter vs slayer? My main character is braver but my alt character is hunter
Which is better?
Me: yes
I low key would main slayer and have braver as sub . because both there kits are interesting to use tandem with eacother. I made a combo with slayers gap closer and the short range braver combo.and use slayer counter tons of slashing and close range combo's
I find countering enemy attacks as a slayer is a piece of cake, braver is a bit harder, also slayer is far more mobile.
Slayer being a speedy class seems like sega wants to give the ranged folks a piece of the fast action other recent classes have.
When I was 16, I used to be able to play DMC3 perfectly. Getting hit even once was considered a failure for me. I've kept that mindset through the years in many other games. Slayer is the closest an MMO has ever felt to a character action game for me. Even BDO felt lacking. I don't mind the Slayer's squishiness at all. Why should I worry about defense? Wanna know the best defense? Just don't get hit. And with Slayer's mobility and being able to frame-cancel out of almost any animation with a Weapon Action, I have all the tools I need to do just that. I don't even touch the other classes anymore. I'm all in on Slayer.
I understand where youre coming from, but, your takes are wrong.
BDO is far more difficult and less forgiving than PSO2. And with Braver, your main objective is to stick close, burst damage, and use both of your counter abilities to avoid all damage and punish with the most dps in the game, resulting in you never taking any damage if youre skilled enough.
I agree with the general comparison but imo Braver is like sleeper easy mode and Slayer is like average difficultly. Once you get the hang of it Slayer is pretty easy but I have to admit that I might have a skewd perception on difficulty because of my experience. The only reason I'm still playing a bit of Braver is because Katana fashion is unmatched imo
for me its slayer that are better since im basing on adrenaline a class can give you...
You can hold block on braver but on slayer you have to time WA properly and dodge properly..
I can only imagine they'll make slayer a little more forgiving in time. Braver was fairly brutal when it first came out and took a couple patches and surveys for them to hone in on where it's at.
They didn’t do that with Luster and it was a lot more complicated.
@@XeroJin84 luster was also already beyond broken when it came out. Not to mention NGS and base being very different games. It's very likely they'll lengthen some timings and invulnerability frames like they did with braver, ranger, and most of the classes in game.
There's also just the typical new class bugs. The amount of times I've heard the counter queue and still gotten hit in the last week is more than I ever did with braver.
slayer is perfect the way it is get good
@@symbiotex1751 try being less toxic
@@Mecht ITS NOT BIENG TOXIC ITS BEING REAL u need to adjust to the game and class not the game or the class to adjust to you
I'm still all in on gunblades even when Fi/Hu was still the meta for it
I like the the visuals on the class and the aggressive play style but the double the ammt of pa based on wether or not you are holding a direction is unfun. To me it feels like carpal tunnel: the class.
I have to admit i transition to Slayer easily due to how i used to play Devil May Cry series as a kid, since that game surprisingly has Slayer Mechanic(Relentless Blade being Exceed, and directional skill input) tho it being the Carpal Tunnel class is i can see why people think tbh, unless you know the Relentless Blade timing you will ended up spamming and giving yourself a carpal tunnel XD
For me the braver is more fun to use so I will be using slayer as my main and braver as my 2
The way I see it, i will play braver if i just want to turn of my brain and do damage and be safe at the same time. All PAs have generous s, no need to perfectly time button presses, its impossible to die as braver because of how generous the auto parry is every PA.
If i want to be more engaged and be an actual try hard at the game, ill swap to slayer which has a little bit more complexity in its mechanics and actually have to time inputs and counters.
I think ranger is still the best class :D.
Blight round + Rifle Grenadier is indeed juicy :3
I was a luster in So I played this in NGS
I don't care how much it's changed between the Two
It's the same class to me
I main braver and sub slayer and multi the gunblade to katana. So I use everything but slayer skill with my braver. I send u a video of my build so far ok.
me when I play both:
i like slayer i use it as a main for the crit bonus my sub is force for the reduced pp use seeing my tech crit bring a smile.
Before I even watch the I know Kero is gonna lean more towards Braver. It’s okay I do to:). I just can’t get used to the basic Slayer attack it feels off to me.
From trying to level both Braver and Slayer. I feel braver is easier to play. As for slayer I think 8m gonna multi weapon with another class. That way I some simplicity and some power, but I still need play time with both classes.
Im a JB Bouncer Main since PSO2.
But lately I dont really know. It feels like the boots cant quite keep up anymore with all the Damage builds.
Im honstly dont know if I would want to main Slayer.
I would need to get a whole new armor set plus agments plus weapon.
Dont know if its worth it tbh.
Me either but I’m thinking in June when new armor and weapons come out really just practice till then
I would still stick to being Bouncer JB main. Though Slayer is really good so I'll give it to my second character.
As others said braver if you want turn off your brain also braver if you want more on skill that involves parry with a shockwave not just braindead parry with no counter just plain block.
Or you could just play ranger, who is needed in any content because blight rounds lol.
Or Techter. Either of those two and players will thank you.
Slayer uses a gunblade. That's all I care about 😅
Damage-wise = Slayer >>>> Braver.
Aesthetic, imma say Brav wins by a bit since AYAYA power is too much to beat.
i want hero class that all ty heeheehee
Slayer. Ngs did braver DIRTY and still has it feeling weird, they should've just called it something else so I wouldn't attach the og to the new thing. Slayer is fine since it embraces it new vibes and plus it's fucking fast
I gonna be a slayer main until a New class with a mix Melee/Tech like luster or Hero
Techter
@@DC... scion classes
Slayer lacks 'Luster' to me.
braver is a stable class, fun gp, ez to understand/play, slayer class is the same both is good
meanwhile partisan user: I can't use my tornado right now because ill get hit and die....not now...... NOWW!! *get hit and die anyway*
sega pls we need to cancel u cool animation
id say br/sl katana gun blade is a great combo
you have a great gap closer w the charged gunblade and WA the gunblade WA does huge dmg and has range to its hits so if its a hit you can land the parry on use gunblade WA save the katana WA parry for moves w shittier hitboxes and timing
it also gives you a huge high dmg aoe PA that groups enemies too to then go into braver aoe and shrek a group of enemies
i see /sl being a great utility overall since braver has the skill for melee/ranged dmg conversion too
so far id say slayer as a sub for braver or for launcher ranger are the two best uses of its actual kit itself that doesnt require any mixed stat setups (te/sl is seemingly nuts rn)
Which Gunblade PA has grouping? Also what skills should I focus on with slayer as a sub?
@@PaleVoyager god i gotta remember the name but its your one that slams the ground w no direction input and makes u rise up w direction input
I'd go slayer out of gunsword principle lol
I play multi braver slayer sooooo yeah. Slayer is obviously meta...for now anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if it got a nerf
What sub class you use?
I normally run Force sub class.
@@keroppi i want ask one more thing sir, is there can change voice line character? I wrong setting and this voice like little squirrel😂
Slayer is ez
Slayer sub baraver
Braver is the best class in the hole game and the 2nd best class in the hole game is techer with a force sub class
Eh. Debatable.
The latest random challenge proved you wrong. Slayer has the fastest clear time in 2 out of 3 cocoons (and the top players 4 of each of those cocoons are slayer. Guess which class got the other one? Fighter. Lmao.
the answer is very easy neither slayer took gunblade and took the "blade" part away only focusing on the shooting part. as for braver? i respect bow bravers but i despise katana bravers because everyone flocks to it its obnoxious and probably the holder of the worst weapon due to the blade of the weapon always being flashed for 1 second hardly even able to see it before its gone again giving you no time to admire the design, but then again i forgot most people playing it are like squirrels on crack. i wish braver was buried and never returned for ngs and instead a new class that focuses on the saber aspect and maybe a pistol like classic pso but then again sega dosent care about pso anymore only about scratchs and their sinking ship of a game.
Um I'm an amateur coming in with PS4. I know people who plays Slayer tons better than I. I went Braver because of your recommendation but for a 'filthy casual' like me?
I love slayer. It's fast,furious and strangely enough?
I die as often as if not less than I did as a braver.
My HP is only 660 and I have no wear near top gear and use trunk gear because it lessens dam maybe?
But yeah. Slayer all the way.
Slayer has lower defense than Braver by base so that could be the reason for your death, and don't worry after a bit of practice you will be able to live longer as Slayer, and if anything fail a single Dread Keeper IV can help with survivability its a loss in DPS but the worst DPS is the dead one
@@darkerrex1442 well as I stated before I die less as a slayer all ready. In the future I might focus on def or hp + range dps.
I used to play katana braver quite a bit when I was fairly new because of how easy it was to use
After a bit I replaced braver with soaring blade bouncer because it gave me more options and more damage
Eventually I multy weapon soaring blade and katakana wich gave me more options and more damage, use soaring blades when braver time not running and use katakana with braver time running.
That became my set up for bosses
But the class I use most of the time is gunner
With the sub either bouncer or braver
Now after playing with slayer I use
Gunner/slayer
Slayer/gunner
Bouncer/braver
Ranger/gunner
Ranger/slayer
Slayer in general doesn't do more damage over all than my bouncer/braver, but it has more options in my opinion
But I can say it has a way more stable damage output compared to my bouncer/braver wich oscillates
Burst damage wise I don't really feel like either is better
i think all the ranged and tech weapons apart from gunblade and harmonizer are hot garbage.
I am the better class
I'm still prefer braver
well I'm done, keroppi you've been epic but I can't justify playing ngs anymore it's become shallow trash.
thank you for announcing your departure
all classes in base and ngs are all noob classes. someone had to say it
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