Persona 3 Reload vs Original Cinematic & Graphics Comparison (4K)
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- This is a comparison video between Persona 3, the 4th game of the series released in 2006, and Persona 3 Reload, the newly remake version. Persona 3 Reload vs Original Side by Side Cinematic & Graphics Comprasion (4K)
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00:00 Cinematic Comparison (Opening Scene)
04:12 Environment Comparison
05:44 Character Comparison
06:32 Fight Comparison
07:23 Cinematic Comparison (Valvet Room)
07:56 Cinematic Comparison (Persona Scene)
11:37 Thanks For Watching
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@@minignoux4566 yeah man he's even stealing my sukma
reload has better visuals but OG has better direction
this
agree
@@DisagereetoAgree yes but the sound design and direction just made you feel a certain dread that this one lacks
well yeah its from 2006 but the direction feels much better, new cutscenes are very good though @@DisagereetoAgree
You guys have gone completely retarded with that nostalgia bs lol.
P3R is better in every aspect. "oh but the vibes". This is one has it's own cool vibe and this is not a bad thing or worse thing.
I think the original one was a lot spookier and I like how they let us listen to Burn My Dread Last Battle being played on the protagonist earphones, as we would only listen to that song again at the end of the game, creating a connection between the beginning and the end of the game.
Big Atlus L not letting people hear burn my dread. Now the final battle theme won't mean anything to them, just another song rather than being a callback to the opening cinematic
actually there's a moment in the Reload version where you can listen the new Reload version of the song but it is very little compared to the og one
@@tsunox1279lets be honest the 90% of the remixes of OG songs are worse to the OG
@@saidbrizzo2187 mass destruction *shudder*
@@EntityxThreat they made less construction instead of mass destruction
While reload definitely is petty and have better facial and body animations, however I love the stylized melancholy and dark shadow of the original. Like for example I prefer the introduction of the velvet room in the original then reload. So far my only problem of reload is that little too bright for the atmosphere compare to the original more dark and at menacing style.
Yeah P3R is a bit to bright but at least the art style still looks very appealing especially the 2D character model like Fuuka & Elizabeth are way better & more Cuter
@@garciasth217 other than atmosphere, p3r is nailing everything imo, the UI was fantastic, and ofcourse the P5 battle system made p3r more enjoyable as a turn based jrpg
Yeah, I always hated P3 for many reasons, but being too edgy was one of them too. It was outright silly at times how hard it tried to be that.
basically the reload director sucks
@@darugdawg2453 yeah suck for nostalgia biased who can't afford P3R ahahaha,, all new changes in P3R makes me hard to go back to P3F cause I can't stand OG Tartarus being too boring when it comes to level design & the new one they nailed it
How can it be that the original bedroom has sunlight shining through the windows and the remake is like an artificially lit hospital room
in fairness, the comparison here is between day and night versions of the room. not ideal
@@Rhodochroneokay fair enough but isn’t it just as bad of a problem that I can’t tell day from night in his room
@@justdaffyno, the creator of this comparison should be more transparent in what they are showing instead of misrepresenting things.
@@justdaffyyeah, a YOU problem. everyone could tell except for you bwobwo 😭
Fes had that evangelion feel to it i cant explain what emotion but i like it
the unsettling feel and old animes usually dont have much sound effects so that makes it even more creepy and intimidating
I'm playing Persona 3 FES for the first time now and I just keep thinking "Evangelion" over and over again. The aesthetics, mood, plot, themes, characters... like I'm not ragging on it at all but it's clear where their inspiration came from.
Hmmm... I like the original more. The way that it's almost silent about the characters's thoughts like Yukari putting the gun to her head where it feels raw, gripping, and ruthless as you're wondering if she's going to do it or not and her panting. Over the Remake where she's talking about putting the gun to her head. It feels more telling than showing in the Remake where in the Original it was Showing instead of Telling and that told a lot.
OG goes straight to the point and has a quiet sobering ambience to the scenes, you feel this isolation with the MC walking through the train station and on the subway. Remake takes it time to show the environment and how pretty it looks and happy everyone else and the MC walking about the day-to-day life. Comes out a little jarring. Even the opening with the Moon (almost horror like) and Sun (another day) is a good way of saying the difference between them are like night and day.
Sure, the Remake's artwork is beautiful with more impressive details and designs but it comes off as too pretty and colorful for the kind of atmosphere that Persona 3 has and something feels lost spiritually because of it. Like they're trying to make it more like Persona 4 and 5 with how more full of light and colors they have where 3 wasn't like that.
The way the MC just walks in the Dark Hour in the OG is haunting and his disinterest attitude where the Remake they go out of the Animated Cutscene and him not really reacting even a little. Walking through the bloody puddle in the OG is missing from the Remake. They're little changes, but it does say a lot about atmosphere.
Even the music and sound direction. Felt more ominous and foreboding in the OG.
I do like how signing your name in the Remake looks. Cool and stylish and gets into instead of a simply HUD screen.
Also, the old artstyle works so well to convey that gritty reality in 3 so well with how the characters are drawn and express themselves.
I felt like the music side is actually improve over old one & I know most peeps can't move on from OG female singer but the new battle theme song when you approaching shadow from behind is absolute banger & even the new opening theme are really good
Honestly with all life quality change like gameplay & Tartarus overhaul level design it's hard to go back to OG P3Fes,, especially those new art style 2D model looks a lot better in Reload seeing Fuuka & Elizabeth in much better agle, shape & way cuter makes me happy enough because I'm not a fan of their 2D art style in OG .... even tough we all can agree OG gloomy art direction looks better in OG but the new art direction is still looks very appealing to the eye, at least P3R still very much look alike Old P3 & much more close to P3 Movie counterparts, funny enough P3 movie art direction are close to P4 & P5 but nobody complain LoL
One change that really bugs me is when Minato first uses the Evoker. In the OG even he struggles to pull the trigger, it can be seen as symbolic but also he has no idea about this world of personas. All he knows is that Yukari tried to use it to fight this monster but he could just as well be shooting himself in the head. In the remake there's none of that, he just accepts everything and does it with no struggle.
@@jase276they basically took the choreography from P3 Movie for the most part in this game, like Makoto screaming scene with glowing blue eyes which is why I looks different from OG P3 ps2
Holy shit these were my EXACT thoughts when i first played reload its kinda creepy
Yup, my thoughts exactly. I can tell they pretty much took away most of the dark atmosphere of P3 and just turned it into Persona 5.
It's this weird situation where new art direction is the problem. The original was much more moody and atmospheric, you could feel the environment. The new one, whilst the characters themselves look much better, they don't seem to have much connection to their surroundings. The dorm is very bright now, compared to the gloom lighting of before, your dorm room is empty and flat, whilst in the original it feels like it has more detail and life to it (especially with the light flooding in through the open windows and the dust in the air).
Kinda makes me want to get the PC files and do a texture overhaul. I can't mod, but I understand art and aesthetics. I think toning down the brightness and muddying the colours a little bit would go a long way to giving back the game's identity. Like, P3RE is _pretty,_ don't get me wrong, but the glitzy graphics fit the drama of the Phantom Thieves way better than it fits SEES, and even P5 had its dirty and cramped environments. This game needs to be toned down to something more visually melancholic for the sake of the characters and story.
@@conspiracypanda1200honestly complain about the color being to bright was kinda dumb hot take, if you actually play the entire game there's actually a lot of really dark tone places, just for the fact that P3P took the aesthetic from P3 movie which is makes sense why it's bright,, at the end of the day P3R is just better game overalls when it come to Combat, Tartarus level design & city environment seeing a bunch of random NPC walking around street makes the world feels alive now
@@garciasth217 yea but it like kills the dread out of it which was kinda there main theme for the game
The dread is still there, the dorm is just brighter@@aiofg7545
isnt you can set the ingame brightness or gamma to low?
or using Nvidia game filter or something 🤷♂️
I love the remake but the OG's tone and atmosphere is miles better. The 2d animated scenes are much better directed with better layout that strengthens the mood. The pitch red background when Thanatos appears is so striking compared to the remake
I never played the original Persona 3, but in my humblest opinion, Reload’s cutscenes are way better. While I do think the mood and grim tone gave the og its identity, Reload’s cutscenes are better in conveying what is happening onscreen. The older cutscenes constantly have these close-ups of people’s faces, billboards, and clocks that it’s difficult to tell what is happening sometimes. Along with the constant dips to black and cut-ins of symbolic imagery, I often get confused on what am I supposed to be focusing on. If the camera was at a wider angle, I would’ve actually liked some of these cutscenes. Reload’s cutscenes have wider and consistent shots (both 2D and 3D) that are easier to comprehend and by default are more enjoyable to watch.
Although I will say, the shots of Orpheus and Thanatos in the original look way better. They just come off more savage and off putting than how Reload handled it. Honestly, if Makoto’s awakening was done in 2D, both personas would have been even more terrifying.
@@alexquah784 fair enough, I think the some shots in the original can be hard to follow. But yeah, the Orpheus and Thanatos reveal looks way better in the original because it was bolder in its direction. That scene is the one I really don't like in regards to Reload's changes. Everything else is good.
Although as a game, I much prefer Reload haha
@@samuel.jpg.1080p consider that now a red background automatically means persona 5 to most people, so that's probably the reason they didn't go for it
@alexquah784 So theres an interesting thing about Reload’s scene with the Protagonist’s Awakening. They tried to recreate the P3 Movie Awakening. And it was doomed to fail the moment they were recreating it in 3D. The Movie Awakening had great and dynamic shots with excellent sound design. The movement of the characters was strong and fluid, they didn’t look like they were stiff / forced to move.
Now I don’t know why they even bothered because trying to emulate a scene from 2D animation won’t look beautiful (when there is no love put into it). They really should’ve taken the scene in a different direction, that way people wouldn’t have judged it as much.
With all that said, Portable still has the worst P3 Awakening by far. Official tier list goes as follows:
1. P3 Movie
2. P3 / FES
3. P3 Reload
4. P3 Portable
Conflicted on the lighting in reloaded, some parts feel a bit too bright like the dorm, but then other parts of the game like Tartarus give the same exact feeling the original dark light in the original had if not better. I'll say this though the lighting has really made the day time segments way more visually appealing.
Nah that's completely valid. if you pay attention to the edges of your own dorm room its like the wall itself is emitting some light for some weird reason. A lack of drop shadows in a lot of places like the classroom and dorm. Also if you look at the sun from the classroom after school it just looks like a big spotlight. Nonsense light sources everywhere. I feel like that shouldn't be a problem we see in an unreal engine game lol
@@disastercycle3354at very least the environment of school feels alive with a bunch of students walking around & it doesn't look empty at very least
The dorm just feels way too lit during the evening where it feels a bit uncanny
Normally I’m not the type of guy that’s screaming how the original is better no matter what, but in this specific instance I definitely prefer FES
idk. i played the p3 in psp before but i cant say what is better just by looking
@@darugdawg2453Unless you're blind it should be obvious. Objectively, reload looks better. From a purely atmospheric point of view, OG is better.
I second this. P3RE is clean visually, but P3 OG kills it in sheer, uncomfortable atmosphere.@@whenyounutinhermouthandshe
yeah hd and new is good and i love it but man OG still is the best i wish they didnt change the cinematics just re made them on HD
@susantuna3434 same. I can't even vibe with the new music and the Velvet Room is the best it's been since Persona 2! But the style and atmosphere is just making me want to go back to PS2, even at 60 fps. I don't want to have to mod it to feel better about it, but that's probably what I'll end up doing. If it had the same love P5 had I'd be enjoying it a lot more
Og p3 was much more unnerving and ruthless
Its not even a "nostalgia" argument here as normies would say,
art direction, tone, cohesiveness of older games >>> focusing too much on modernized/polished graphics catered to play it safe business wise
the sickness of modern aaa games is overcompensating of hd graphics with extremely high budgets while older games were more creative with the limited resources they had
Yeah I think the OG did it a bit better, Reload looks a bit too good sometimes
i do like the og has that switching chamber when selection an option in your turn
Idk the og felt a little awkward to me. Its not as cool as I remembered it. I think they improved in p3r.
I prefer the atmosphere of P3 but tbh I never really loved the chibi-esque characters in older personas
@@trotic708i disagree on that even the opening og itself already foreshadowing “you will die”
this p3r just pretty much p5 version with too many bright colors
Persona 3 reload: "Come on, do it... I can't"
Persona 3: *Goes through his mind killing people in his titan form while in his early ages*
Wrong series there bud.
Tatakae was the other way.
@@TheNapster153 mb
the extra inch of chin for everyone really helped them
In 90's and 00's anime the chins were longer, it gave them much more elegant vibes.
The original Orpheus/Thanatos scene feels more visceral, that part really sold me into the game.
Yeah I wanted to see that motherfucker climb from out the top of his head again! 😂 it's like if the direction would have been better, how the cut the scenes and timed them, this would be waaaay better all around that fes. But they cut too much stuff like the blood puddle, burn my dread song in the opening, and more.
I love the minimalism of the OG, reminds me of Serial Experiments Lane.
As they say, Less is More.
aw the original opening had such a great pacing, it was nerve wrecking with the flashing scenes coming and going setting us in a careless world. No voice in Yukari's scene was also a great enviromental desition, she was desperate and hopeless. I remeber playing it 10 years ago and thinking it was a horror game thanks to that + the awakening scene haha. The new one is softer, just my opinion tho!
Bro a kid jumps off a fucking building in the new one did that not shock you at all? 😭
@@seansean792 i was just talking about the opening and awakening persona scene! :)
The way Thanatos bursts out of Orpheus looks cartoony in Reload, like something out of FLCL, and the way he defeats the Magician is somewhat less visceral.
old GOOD new BAD
@@gggreatness i didn't say the new was bad :) have a good day!
The OG is just so much more atmospheric and better at conveying tone. I also think that in some respects it is even better animated despite being older.
And seriously? Orpheus not having a proper melee animation? What is this? Modern Pokemon?
Orpheus just whamming shadows with the lyre never fails to bring a smile to my face lol
Idk if Orpheus has a melee animation in Reload because I didn't use him that much, but if you pay atention, in Reload Orpheus uses Agi, an elemental fire attack, unlike FES, in which he uses Bash, a physical strike attack, which uses a completly different animation.
@@adrielalonso1026he does have a melee animation when he uses bash, you’re right. He just uses Agi here
Notice in the OG they didn’t fully show Yukari’s face in the opening cutscene but in the remake they just go straight to it and she speaks.
Barely any difference in face showing lol
yukari toes yukari TOES YUKARI TOES
Reload's cutscenes here just have, so much less Bite to them
The 2D cutscenes were so much well directed, they had that david lynch vibe. The reload killed that mood for something more generic with Unreal engine that feels weak in comparison. That's too bad coz i doubt a Persona 3 FES port like they did for P4G will ever come on PC now.
guess the reload is still good for people who didn't play the OG.
Hopefully mods can fix some of the nitpicks tbh. Add the 2d cutscenes, Old aigis and akihiko voices and changing the colpuring and tone to be less oversaturated.
i played persona 3 back then, it's my fav persona game and i like reload more. and i don't care about 2d cutscenes, it's just 2 min videos in a massive game made by anime studio, not actual developers
thanatos feels like a berserk evangelion in the original
The animated scenes always gave me Evangelion vibes xd, some parts of the story are kinda like Evangelion as well
That was the idea, tho. Thanatos was meant to appear in a berserker, completely out of control state that's why everyone was shocked at how mercilessly he teared down the "powerful" shadow. The remake completely fucks up his entrance and shows him in some shitty power up form that has none of the power of the original.
@@olmomoreno9972 i hate that i have to agree, the reload animation feels way too smooth
@@mlshiza5335 the sad part is that is not really a bad cinematic choice on a vacuum, but given the context and what the scene is meant to entail, it does feels jarring.
@@olmomoreno9972Not really. I felt nothing with OG Thanatos because of the animation direction. Could hardly get what was going on.
i like the old one better, its art direction is more psycho, the new one is kinda generic and there are no angst in it.
Honestly it feels like most new stuff just doesn't have the same edge as the early-mid 2000s stuff
its not like that people just hate the recency and if reload came out first they well say i prefer persona 3@@ashtremble
@@MARMAR-xw6gjnah, it's a fact that Reload put less effort in the intro, the direction and the animation was mid and the full anime cinematic was cut halfway too, insted they used the game engine. I remember that the PSP version did something similar using game engime instead of the anime intro, I understand that coming from a handheld of that era, but Reload just did it lazy tbh.
@@ashtremble it's just the art style being inferior, everything else about gameplay, Tartarus level design, city & school environment, some of the music are improve upon OG P3
The overhaul Tartarus level design, brand new music & better gameplay make me hard to go back to OG P3 because at the end of the day P3 Reload is just the same P3 OG with slightly improvement
@@pukususuiit's not entirely lazy cause I like the fact that you are able to control your character & give some sneak peak of city level design,, the only lazy things that I see is just the moment you see random street guy become coffins scene right before awakening section, everything else about the game feels just right for me at least they keep bath room 2D scene tough ahahaha
The new one may look better from a higher resolution stand point but I much prefer the art style of the original
"Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3". God that's nostalgic AF. I still got my launch limited edition P3 copy and the FES release. I remember when i was waiting for the first release. I sunk hundreds of hours into it when I got it. On topic: so far the OG Persona 3 releases are far better. I love the spooky and ruthless atmosphere that it presented at the beginning (especially it being a Megami Tensei spinoff and all). It almost reminded me of The Gardens of Sinners films. Ive played a few hours of P3R and that feeling the intro had in the original is gone.
100% agree, FES was my first experience with this game 15 years ago and the vibes are just gone. I also miss the dungeon crawler Etrian Odyssey feeling tartarus has in the OG. And the music.
I'm really glad that reload came out, the only reason for my dissatisfaction would be about the environment, those faded colors and dark aura gave its charm to the game, and if we actually hear the music that Makoto listens to through his headphones, I wouldn't be surprised if we also see this depressive but cozy tone through his eyes.
Yukari looks beautiful in the remake.
Best way i can describe the difference is like neon gensis evangelion to rebuild of evangelion. Except less polarizing
Do you mean too much CGI?
@@jaimebm816 nope the subtle yet odd feeling of the new artstyle
this description is so spot on holy shit, considering the fact that p3 is heavily inspired by eva
idk how they decided which scenes should get animated cutscenes in reload. the first dark hour + orpheus scenes were so powerful in FES, i think i mustve replayed the thanatos part 100 times back in the day. the pacing of it now just doesnt quite hit.
for what it's worth i should say im still enjoying my time with the remake, theres just a lot of little tiny missteps that i wish were handled a little different
When female protag got deconfirmed, the most common defense I heard for her removal, was the cost of remaking all the animated cutscenes for both characters instead of just one, a defense that I wasn't happy about, but at least understood.
However, now that I have the game in my hands, while I am loving it, the fact that most of the animated cutscenese were just completely dropped in favour of CG cutscenes has me a bit annoyed. So much for the cost of animation excuse...
P3R is a case study in nostalgia goggles and confirmation bias.
Its a bit sad how many people *INSIST* that P3R loses all of its quirks and uniqueness when compared to P3.
I call bs; but to each their own. I personally had a blast replaying this classic; and even feel like its one of the best examples of a remake in gaming in years.
I pity those that act all sad and enraged at this remake - sure; if you *actually* dislike it so much; alright. But I feel like ppl are keeping themselves from enjoying it just bc they fear their own age..
There are genuine downgrades to a lot of the art direction, and for a remake it can be quite cheap at times. Still, the better gameplay makes it the obvious choice for newcomers.
its not bs look at the awakening difference bro 💀 i dont hate it im glad i could play the original story in an accessible format but they fumbled the art direction to the point i cant rlly recommend it to someone
@@LeafysHere You can't recommend the whole game for ONE scene in the whole 80+ hours of experience the game gives you? Sounds like nostalgia blindness and nit picking to me tbh
@@MikhailTheDragonZero not rlly one scene, its almost every important 3D scene and art direction in general that gives me mixed feelings
before reload came out i had just watched a little of it so its not nostalgia (i did watch a bunch of it now tho)
what i meant was im fine with it but it doesnt make me excited to tell ppl how amazing it is
Honestly this. I've never played the original, and the Reload versions of everything just look and feel so much better to me. That original opening cutscene feels very meandering and slow, with too many unnecessary cuts to random, irrelevant people and scenes, while the new one just tells you everything you need to know with much better pacing. Likewise the environment lighting lets me actually see what's going on, while if I played the original game I would probably find myself having to turn up the brightness or closing the curtains in my living room so I can see anything.
Honestly, for me, playing the old version would be a massive step down in quality in just about every conceivable way.
I didn't like how they portrayed thanatos. In the OG he was a fking monster, destroying that shadow like nothing and the new, yeah he killed the shadow easily, but w/out humiliation
crazy how the voice cast sounds so similar, yet different from the og. I'm glad they're giving other actors, unkown actors a chance perform. I used to think Troy Baker can't be in every game but after what feels like two decades.....
They were not playing ‘Burn my dread- last battle’ during that scene and that was a total missed opportunity
I actually love how P3 FES, P3P and P3R are kind of complementary to each other instead of a replacement for the previous... but that makes the fact FES is still trapped in the PS2 sadder. Wish it surprises us one day by appearing perfectly remastered on Steam (but that's a looooong shot now).
FES isn't stuck on PS2. The game can be play on PS3 via digital copy from the PS Store. While it's the same as the PS2 version, the game isn't restricted to PS2 console alone.
@@player2-lightwater914 Be that as it may, it doesn't change the fact that FES is the only modern persona game not available on modern platforms. Atlus could've ported it, they just didn't want to, and now I have to emulate it when I would much prefer playing it on real hardware
Not really. Considering the answer is coming to P3R, there’s literally no reason to play FES or Portable anymore. Regardless though Portable is still worse for being on far inferior hardware.
10:40 thanatos looks so much stronger on the original
I agree
the mc awakening on reload feels really awkward and plain dull its like he was forced compared to ps2 and the movie way more intense
reloading cutscene animation and sound are disappointing
P3 feels like HXH 1999 version more sinister and P3 reload feels like HXH newer version with more lively colors.
thats a good comparison LMAO
Gameplay wise
Remake >OG
Cutscene wise
Remake
Reload definitely plays better but after finishing it. Fes still tells the story a lot better imo.
@@ARAnime FES has by far the better gameplay but im only talking about the original version of P3
@@asleepydude5941the better gameplay? how
@@ARAnimeyeah man, I'm having trouble finishing Reload because the script is so bland when compared to FES
Soundtrack Wise
FES > Reload
Sound Design Wise
FES > Reload
Story/Script/Characters Wise
FES > Reload
I much prefer the OG P3’s anime art direction over P3R’s. It was from before digital animation took off so it still uses flat cell shaded color palettes and very little highlighting in the hair and stuff. Very reminiscent of old early 2000’s and 90’s anime like Evangelion.
I absolutely agree. I've always loved the flat dark blue of MC's hair in the OG. Definitely feels more unique and moody.
the only major flaw i have with the remake is the flat lighting inside. even the ps2 original managed to do it better imo
Well they do that because the lack of rescourse because p1 and 2 its end not very well
PS2 always had incredible lighting that hasn't yet been surpassed. GTA SA, Burnout Revenge, Black and even Persona 3 or SMT 3 feel much better on PS2 because of it.
@@mexodroid1848 well that because new generation gamer don't like ps2 lighting most of them prefer bright lighting rather than gloomy lighting
Both are good, Reload improved graphics and character details and expression but for the original j love hos they emphasize the weight of the atmosphere, the whole animation felt...idk unsettling
Just like resident evil 4 classic and remake ...they're both great in different flavour
Hell no. RE4 demake was an embarrassing piece of shit, that totally ruined the two most important aspects of the OG:
Fun gameplay, and the fun characters.
@@GugureSux agree to disagree
Demake?@@GugureSux
@@GugureSux Remake blows the original out the water lmfao. Nostalgia nerd inbound
@@GugureSuxdemake? LOL being able to move whole shooting, parry knife, luis & ashley got character improvement make Remake objectively better overall, for the most part
Well, times change, so do audiences. And it is well, normal for remakes, that they alter things. Some people like it, some people dislike it.
Personally I love Reload's artystyle and direction. It is way more modern while also having oldschool vibe with the setting.
P1, P2 and P3 orginals were indeed more sinister and spooky in their vibe, but with P4G they changed the pace and mood to take Persona into different direction, with P5 being its peak. They clearly tried to apply this to P3, while also retaining some core characteristics and I think it went out really well on the middle ground.
Remakes are always a double edged sword. You want to apply to both old and new players with different perspectives and ideas how this should look like.
the dorection and atmosphere are much more unsettling in the og animated segments but the more realistic characters help to enforce the themes much more, shame they dont really seem to retain an older teen appearence, i know 5 didnt also, but in p3r they seemm more adultish to me somehow
The scene where Makoto opens the door and it shows the shot of the big ass moon reminds me of Re4 or resident evil openings in general
I wish they made the cutscenes animations and darker
while i think p3re is a step up from the original, the thing that's definitely lacking the most is the art direction. i think the character portraits are gorgeous, but it really feels as if they sacrificed the gritty and despondent atmosphere that the original had. everything is way too bright in this game, including the ui like the textbox (like why is it that vibrant blue? it doesn't look good with a lot of the environments...)
i loved the dull tones in the original game because it perfectly reflects how the MC viewed the world. plus, the original opening cutscene had a really overwhelming, loud and bustling feeling in the city that was almost painful to watch vs how beautiful and busy the city is in reload. and there's the whole added dialogue to yukari trying to use the evoker, which when i first watched it i found to be really unnecessary because the whole tenseness from that scene was over how it looks like this random girl is literally about to off herself in silence (aside from her panting and the running water), constantly contrasting with the obnoxious liveliness of the city.
also i get 3d animation is less expensive and also easier than 2d, but i felt like changing the scene of the MC awakening his persona lost a lot of its coolness(? edginess?) because of the 3d animation, that imo i wasn't really a fan of. he didn't really hesitate as much as he did in the original--he was clearly shaking because for all he knew, he was just holding a gun that he was about to literally shoot himself with. the 2d animation of thanatos also felt a lot more ruthless than the 3d one. i feel like p3re didn't make it seem as serious as it should've been...
for some reason despite all that original shortcoming and less anime styled gameplay(like the dumb AI or something my friend says) i prefer it over the reload
especially the anime FMV cutschene instead of in engine cutschene
Even the opening scene is revamped wow
Oh a comparison video, I sure hope the comments aren't nitpicking each little thing because of petty reasoning.
Nobody is nitpicking, Reload is just genuinely a worse intro by a longshot because it has terribly boring direction and storyboarding
You’re defo a new persona fan
The graphics are leagues better in P3R, though I think they definitely missed out on the atmosphere of the original in its cinematics.
Of the many things that can be said about Persona 3 Reload, there is no denying the the quality of the animations is way better.
The original Awakening cutscene for the protagonist is literally the best in the franchise (I got into Persona amongst 2 years ago now, I haven’t played FES or P3 Original it’s just that good, sure Reload fixed all of my major problems with P3’s story, probably due to more accurate translations, but no one can deny the Original P3 felt way more intense.)
The opening was so much better paced and directed in the original. The shots were a lot more interesting there, too. The close ups, dutch angles and warped perspectives worked really well for it, Reload's looks really flat by comparison. I also just prefer the character design and shading in the original, it reminds me a lot of Lain.
I love how original P3 valvet room's background blinks
Going to go against what everyone is saying and say that Reload (mostly) looks better than the original. Besides the dorm room and a few smaller details, Reload just looks much cooler in my opinion, keeping gloomy colors (again, minus exceptions like the dorm room) but also looking flashier. The original scenes and graphics don't look that polished in my opinion, they almost look more like a beta or test version in some cases (like the battle UI).
Yeah and if they really wanted to get into the mood, the game provides you the option of changing your brightness setting as many of the complaints about this game is how bright it is especially indoors.
But that's only the default setting because it's been standardized for all players, including the ones who've never played the original.
With that said, the thing I can agree on are that the anime cut scenes being less stylized but that's also been standardized for the modern audience which can't be help since that's the trajectory Atlus is aiming for when it comes to their games.
@@bananabunch4590yeah and if the game had low brightness everyonw complain the game is too dark
what in the earth hapened to these people
I dislike how they changed how the MC acted while walking around, in the school he didn't have a shoulder bag because he carried his books under his arm. And the fact you can't run around with your hands inside your pockets anymore, he'll immediately take them out if you do start running in the remake. I don't know, I think it gave the MC more character or something...
Don't know if I was the only one to do this, but I would always wait for the MC to put his hands into his pockets before I started moving or walking around. Probably just a small nitpick for me, but I missed those little awkward moments the MC had
what I loved about the OG P3 was it was simply... gritty. it wasn't trying to be pretty unlike P3R. It intentionally made its animation like that to set the tone of the game... the game is supposed to be really really gritty and dark and just flat out uncomfortable.... pretty much what death is about. dark and uncomfortable to see and experience. P3R looks so generic. its literally devolved into just another anime game... instead of an experience of living a life that ends in suic!de
I'm pretty sure sacrificing your life to directly save another isn't considered suicide.
While I agree with you that the atmosphere is weaker. To me persona 3's greatest strength was the darker atmosphere and story that still felt like an SMT game with dating sim elements. Whereas persona 4 and persona 5 don't really feel like SMT games to me (though are still great).
P3R artstyle makes it look like persona 5. The story is still great. And gameplay is much improved. So i disagree that it's not just another anime game, because it's still better than 99% of them. But the atmosphere is quite a bit weaker, :-/. So from a story perspective, it's not the best way to play this game.
The remake was amazing but I still choose to original
I think the og looks better . Don't get me wrong the reload looks amazing but just the gritty look of the og is what add character to it . The reload just looks like persona 5 but with persona 3 overlaying it
Nah, the introduction to the Velvet room was better in the Original, plus Igor looks more menacing. Some scenes in the original, were more dark and menacing, perfect for that atmosphere. Still overall, visually the new one is better.
Just look at Elizabeth, she looks uncanny as heck even when there's no need to
My problem with the persona 3 reloas cutscenes are the honestly boring cinematography. The original had some amazingly dynamic shots that really brought out the eeriness of its environment, and the violence of the initial awakening scene. This combined with the more contrasting colours worked so incredibly well. Although, I never personally liked the environmental aspects of the original, because it was personally quite boring, aside from the dorm room.
The fact the movie adaptation is better than the reload cutscenes show that it isn't hard to be faithful and have a higher production value.
The original animation was better. Since Persona wasn't the hit it is today, the creators took bolder artistic risks, using a variety of angles and making unique stylistic choices. Reload, in contrast, feels like a Hollywood take, playing it safe with formulaic elements that are known to work commercially.
Yeah. once i grown up, i realized that i like obscure stuff better.
The opening cutscene in the original is brillant and unique. In the remake it's really classic
It's giving 'He gave you 20$ but he had 200$ vs he gave you 10$ and that's all he had'
smt v’s school environments and art style feels much more in line with og persona 3 than reload
Even though I only played reload so far, I'll say I wish it had the atmosphere of the original, something spookier and more unnerving.
theres somethin g so unsetling in the minuscule eyes of the og, i had forgotten a lot about it
I think the og anime cutscene is still holds up, even better sometimes.
It has a lot of 90s and 2000 VHS anime energy when computers hasn't able to support 2D animators well enough, had to go fully your hands painting on celluloid sheets.
Yes they couldn't compare to modern animations on lighting, realistic and smoothness.
But the darker mood, simplicity on colors, or pause and flash over the scenery are perfectly fits persona 3's story vibe.
I actually agree. Animators on older projects sometimes had to be really creative to get around the technological limitations. IMO, that could make for some gripping art.
Not to say all modern animation is bad haha, I don’t think that.
I still dont get why there are not any animated custscenes for major moments like main character awakening and velvet room intro in reload...Like those parts must be animated than any other scene
The original Persona 3 opening is heavily inspired by Serial Experiments Lain, which the director was probably a fan of. The new opening really lacks that influence, and so lacks the dark and heavy atmosphere of the original.
as an animation person, i really wish persona had more fluid transitions into each other, makes everything feel more alive and natural
I see they remove the iconic "burn my breaaaaaaddddd" song.
Are you playing the PAL (european) version of original P3 or the NTSC (American) version? The character portraits look odd.
ps 2 emultaor european version
ah darn those difficulty difference Some ps 2 game Specific country version had good difficulty i mean good is the hardest difficulty its actually hard wich is more fun than other region
The original audio prevails the reload one in every aspect.
i played version for psp and had no idea its actually supposed to be full 3d wow
I love the OG creepiness and weirder vibes
I think they did a good job with the in game awakening scene, although it wouldve been cool to see it with updated 2D animation. Also I wish they kept the heartbeat before Makoto used the evoker. Opening scene is so much better in original. Like the cuts between different parts of the environment and cutting in and out to burn my dread last battle was so unnerving and one hell of a memorable start to a game, and it's a lot more bland and straightforward how it's done in Reload. There's like no artistic direction like there was in the original. Like they did not need to make Yukari say those lines basically explaining what she's thinking, when it was conveyed so much better without it, and made it feel much more real and intense.
They truly Persona 5’vd the hell out of Persona 3😭
Mitsuru look hot in Persona 3 original, Yukari look hot in Persona 3 Reload
The original opening scene is definitely creepier and more atmospheric than the remake.
Also Yukari's "Who's there ?" sounds a lot more dramatic .The whole build up is more tense and menacing in the OG despite the low budget animation.
Not able to control your party was the true horror of OG P3
I love this game its my first time playing it I never played the original but I'm enjoying the remake I never played a game like this before My favorite game so far in 2024 never thought I would get really into it but its hard to put down the controller because how good it is
Glad to see I am not alone. The opening cutscene changes stood out immediately. While they are not bad, compared to the old animated cutscenes they failed to capture the same raw emotion P3 and P3 FES had. Thankfully as I continued, this was overshadowed by the additions Atlus has added to the game. SEES members feel a lot more fleshed out from the OG, and the newer scenes that they added are solid. I hope they do The Answer well in future DLC or rerelease as Atlus loves to do.
Style wise and anime cutscenes i like og more, color wise and seeing the gameplay i like the reload more
I think the original cutscenes had a better setup, simple things like not remaining on one picture for too long etc. it just came off as more disturbing and dark, but Reload definitely looks better graphics wise.
I'm just glad they kept the blood in the awakening scene.
I know in ATLUS games of recent years, they've had much better Yukari character models compared to the more simple versions we had for the original PS2 era Persona 3 and P3:Portable. That said, Yukari's model in Reload is *amazing*. She was already my favorite companion in P3 and a perfect friend for FemC in P3:Portable. She looks fantastic here.
I still can't get over the voice actor change for Akihiko with the English one. The old one had this cool and very distinct voice.
I do love the improved textures and environments, but there’s something oddly appealing about the low-poly and damp colored models the OG provided.
Gameplay and graphics wise i prefer Reload but Cinematics wise I prefer the og by a long shot
I'll just say that the first cutscene in fes version was just peak, while Reload lacks a lot of thing, and I mean A LOT.
this is what happens when you try to put a "modern" spin on an old game and you don't involve any of the original staff
reload is utterly lacking in direction. it's unfortunate that this is gonna be the standard impression of p3 going forward
Wow it's looks beautiful.
Damn those eyes are unnerving
I've discovered the game with the remake and I love it 💙
I do really like the visuals in Reload, but everything in Reload looks new and shiny, which isn’t always a good thing.
In the original, things look old and worn out.
Take for example the carpet and hallways in the dorm, or the school entrance (where students leave their shoes).
The world in the original feels much more lived in, and worn out.
I like the fact that the og is more creepy and dark 'cause it match with the story but I'm glad I played the reload, I really love the art style, the soundtrack and also the mood, they did a great job making it more appealing.
I know people loves the og version but I think has aged badly
One thing i had hoped they would change is the MC wearing his gekkoukan uniform while traveling to the dorm. Like, why isn't he wearing his street clothes?
Tbf he’s coming right back from school. Makes little sense to change. I went to boarding school and can say that most of us just kept on our uniforms unless we already had to change, like if we were in sports afterschool or something. Or on weekends ofc.
The opening in the first version is more based than the remake
Both openings are definitely a product of their time. Reload is pretty clean and is CG by todays anime standards. The original on the other hand, really reminds you of the rough and hand drawn anime of the early and mid 2000s. One that comes to mind is Boogiepop Phantom and many other anime during that time.
Honestly my only issue is that yukari speaks in the opening, the stuff she says is exactly what the viewer can see and it’s so much more unnerving when there’s no dialogue