45:00 I've always thought of the arts as being a side effect of our developing an advanced form of communication. The literary arts focus on perfecting verbal communication. The visual arts focus on perfecting visual communication The musical arts focus on perfecting emotional communication.
Thirty-five years ago, in _The White Album_ Joan Didion wrote: "We tell ourselves stories in order to live." Here's the entire quote in context: _We tell ourselves stories in order to live. The princess is caged in the consulate. The man with the candy will lead the children into the sea. The naked woman on the ledge outside the window on the sixteenth floor is a victim of accident, or the naked woman is an exhibitionist, and it would be ‘interesting’ to know which. We tell ourselves that it makes some difference whether the naked woman is about to commit a mortal sin or is about to register a political protest or is about to be, the Aristophanic view, snatched back to the human condition by the fireman in priest’s clothing just visible in the window behind her, the one smiling at the telephoto lens. We look for the sermon in the suicide, for the social or moral lesson in the murder of five. We interpret what we see, select the most workable of the multiple choices. We live entirely… by the imposition of a narrative line upon disparate images, by the ‘ideas’ with which we have learned to freeze the shifting phantasmagoria - which is our actual experience._
This is the kind of creative thinking C.G Jung wrote about and that will nudge us forward in our evolutionary process - so important. Thank you. Lori Pye, Viridis Graduate Institute: International School of Ecopsychology
I think that Dr Harari doesnt pay enough attention to the fact that our imagination (idea), can create not only fictive realities like states or money, but very real ,new objective realities.A book is a good example.. Benjamin Franklin with his small voluntary associations created very objective hospitals,a library,a college etc. These are things which you can touch and feel and operate objectively even if they do need fictive committees and administrations to do so.
Yuval says that he doesn't know why some stories come to gain universal human belief for example why Christianity came to be the the dominant religious belief 2000 years after its origin. I think is an important caveat into psychology. This is where Jordan Peterson's lectures on bible stories come in where he explains why those stories that have the maximum amount of resonance with our built in mental structure are the ones that gain common belief.
Two aliens roaming the universe in search for intelligent life, passing by Earth after 2000 years again... Alien1: "WOW! Looks like human are finally intelligent!" Alien2: "Nope, they are not." Alien1: "But look - they have advanced combat satellites." Alien2: "Yes but they targeting themselves." It's sad that the whole ideology of human civilization fits into a five liner joke. NROL - Nothing is beyond our reach.
If we are 90% bacteria by cell count then those parts of "our" functionality that are dominated by bacteria theoretically may have the capacity to evolve very quickly. So when we say it took homo sapiens x thousand years to adapt to milk digestion how do we know? - what we do know is that bacteria have evolved to deal with antibiotics in less than 100 years - almost to the extent that antibiotics are useless.
Great analysis on how human dominates. However, I still strongly believe that the answer is: we, human, ARE SPECIAL! He is arguing that we dominate because we have such and such characteristics (collaboration, imagination, ..). But why only human have this characteristics? ... because human are special!
According to Harari, it's because of the cognitive revolution we went through some 70,000 years ago. Why did it happen? We don't know. But you may think we're "special", whatever it means to you.
Lokman Dz a "strong belief" is not an educated opinion -- it is more on the level of a "feeling." why are sapiens special, and just what does "special" mean? that's what Mr. Harari is researching. his investigation is fascinating. i will read this book and take this course, by cracky! i'd been wondering recently if we're still evolving by natural selection, and his remarks about a segue into intelligent design (the real thing, not the tomfoolery of creationism) make a lot of sense.
I wonder how society will evolve after jobs (as a means to gain essential resources in order to support yourself within a particular society) are no longer needed. Soon technology will advance to the point where resources such as food, shelter, etc. are no longer contested and possibly limitless and free to everyone. Therefore, there will no longer be a need to work in order to gain an income to buy these resources and society will restructure itself. I only wonder how...
Ferris Romero there's a speculative fiction novel about just exactly that -- A Torrent of Faces. try and find it; it's a very interesting read. Authored by James Blish and Norman L. Knight.
Prepare our young to use their time to understand reality with meditation as a part, to teach them about how their minds can be manipulated by selling more and more things to them, with resultant depletion of resources , having to create wars and incessant arms race that can destroy the planet and benefit few, when their leaders are supporting these measures how to note and oppose early, that is our challenge.
Why does he call them 'fictions', social sciences has been calling them 'culture(s)' or 'institutions' for very long time, what's the need for a neologism? Moreover Hegel called them the production of the 'objective spirit (mind)' and those in that tradition keep the term objective (or objectified) social structures... which operate like a 'second nature' (Lukács).
Selective breeding has been going on both consciously and unconsciously for thousands of years, I think he is overstating genetic engineering's importance a little bit.
I hate his cold and distant viewpoint. He considers himself outside of human culture, as if he had the intelligence to make judgments about all others from his academic tower.
You're free to join the academic tower too! You'll get to your own conclusions, and then people around the world are going to listen to what you have to say. The speaker is not claiming to know the truth about everything; as he explains himself (maybe 23-25 minutes into the video), he's just being a scientist; that is, acknowledging his own ignorance and then seeking better answers.
***** - The only intelligent thing he said here that I like is his request for people to turn off their damned cellular phones. As far as Harari and the anti-Jewish professors of Israeli universities and their denial of the Torah, I guess we will have to wait either for death or for the redemption before your atheism is rebutted fully. By that time, you will no longer have free will, because the truth will be obvious. So you will be a believer in the Torah at that late stage, but you will not get any credit for believing what will have become obvious. Secular Israelis have nothing to teach anyone about anything, and I pray soon to see the day when their arrogance will be obvious to everyone and they are finally humbled.
Tzvook T - I do not need either your compliment or your sarcasm - what to speak of your permission, to use my mind or my common sense, and this is my impression of this speaker so far. He can improve himself, probably by listening to his wife more.
So true, love how scientist have no problem saying "I don't know", while religious people find it unbelievably difficult
Thank you for sharing , it was pure joy to listen to it.
Excellent talk. Thanks.
Video starts at 2:47
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I've always thought of the arts as being a side effect of our developing an advanced form of communication.
The literary arts focus on perfecting verbal communication.
The visual arts focus on perfecting visual communication
The musical arts focus on perfecting emotional communication.
Just finished the book today : fascinating and entertaining reading. Highly recommended.
Thirty-five years ago, in _The White Album_ Joan Didion wrote: "We tell ourselves stories in order to live." Here's the entire quote in context:
_We tell ourselves stories in order to live. The princess is caged in the consulate. The man with the candy will lead the children into the sea. The naked woman on the ledge outside the window on the sixteenth floor is a victim of accident, or the naked woman is an exhibitionist, and it would be ‘interesting’ to know which. We tell ourselves that it makes some difference whether the naked woman is about to commit a mortal sin or is about to register a political protest or is about to be, the Aristophanic view, snatched back to the human condition by the fireman in priest’s clothing just visible in the window behind her, the one smiling at the telephoto lens. We look for the sermon in the suicide, for the social or moral lesson in the murder of five. We interpret what we see, select the most workable of the multiple choices. We live entirely… by the imposition of a narrative line upon disparate images, by the ‘ideas’ with which we have learned to freeze the shifting phantasmagoria - which is our actual experience._
Very insightful.
This is the kind of creative thinking C.G Jung wrote about and that will nudge us forward in our evolutionary process - so important. Thank you.
Lori Pye, Viridis Graduate Institute: International School of Ecopsychology
Super interesting!
I think that Dr Harari doesnt pay enough attention to the fact that our imagination (idea), can create not only fictive realities like states or money, but very real ,new objective realities.A book is a good example.. Benjamin Franklin with his small voluntary associations created very objective hospitals,a library,a college etc. These are things which you can touch and feel and operate objectively even if they do need fictive committees and administrations to do so.
ya, a lot of scientific finding is also based upon imagination.
Skip to 6:15 for it to actually start
More like 3 min
2:47 Speaker starts
Yuval says that he doesn't know why some stories come to gain universal human belief for example why Christianity came to be the the dominant religious belief 2000 years after its origin. I think is an important caveat into psychology. This is where Jordan Peterson's lectures on bible stories come in where he explains why those stories that have the maximum amount of resonance with our built in mental structure are the ones that gain common belief.
Sounds like the same stuff Zeitgeist has been talking about since 2007! ;)
Interestingly, Alan Watts was saying this decades ago. Symbols vs. reality
Two aliens roaming the universe in search for intelligent life, passing by Earth after 2000 years again...
Alien1: "WOW! Looks like human are finally intelligent!"
Alien2: "Nope, they are not."
Alien1: "But look - they have advanced combat satellites."
Alien2: "Yes but they targeting themselves."
It's sad that the whole ideology of human civilization fits into a five liner joke.
NROL - Nothing is beyond our reach.
22:00 i cant make shoes... funny...
Everything he said boils down to intelligence.
I didn't know brief meant an hour :P
If we are 90% bacteria by cell count then those parts of "our" functionality that are dominated by bacteria theoretically may have the capacity to evolve very quickly. So when we say it took homo sapiens x thousand years to adapt to milk digestion how do we know? - what we do know is that bacteria have evolved to deal with antibiotics in less than 100 years - almost to the extent that antibiotics are useless.
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Great analysis on how human dominates.
However, I still strongly believe that the answer is: we, human, ARE SPECIAL!
He is arguing that we dominate because we have such and such characteristics (collaboration, imagination, ..). But why only human have this characteristics? ... because human are special!
According to Harari, it's because of the cognitive revolution we went through some 70,000 years ago. Why did it happen? We don't know.
But you may think we're "special", whatever it means to you.
Lokman Dz a "strong belief" is not an educated opinion -- it is more on the level of a "feeling." why are sapiens special, and just what does "special" mean? that's what Mr. Harari is researching. his investigation is fascinating. i will read this book and take this course, by cracky! i'd been wondering recently if we're still evolving by natural selection, and his remarks about a segue into intelligent design (the real thing, not the tomfoolery of creationism) make a lot of sense.
15:13, Hahaha, winning! Humans can talk bout things which don't exist... like gods. xD
Animals can communicate about things that don't exist. For example, those that are intelligent, can deceive.
humans communicate about things that don't exist.
To understand the success of the stories of religion is to understand the ways to dominate the world. I'm not saying this in a bad way.
I wonder how society will evolve after jobs (as a means to gain essential resources in order to support yourself within a particular society) are no longer needed. Soon technology will advance to the point where resources such as food, shelter, etc. are no longer contested and possibly limitless and free to everyone. Therefore, there will no longer be a need to work in order to gain an income to buy these resources and society will restructure itself. I only wonder how...
Ferris Romero there's a speculative fiction novel about just exactly that -- A Torrent of Faces. try and find it; it's a very interesting read. Authored by James Blish and Norman L. Knight.
Prepare our young to use their time to understand reality with meditation as a part, to teach them about how their minds can be manipulated by selling more and more things to them, with resultant depletion of resources , having to create wars and incessant arms race that can destroy the planet and benefit few, when their leaders are supporting these measures how to note and oppose early, that is our challenge.
agronomy-based culture led to enslavement and extinction of species?
Why does he call them 'fictions', social sciences has been calling them 'culture(s)' or 'institutions' for very long time, what's the need for a neologism? Moreover Hegel called them the production of the 'objective spirit (mind)' and those in that tradition keep the term objective (or objectified) social structures... which operate like a 'second nature' (Lukács).
Selective breeding has been going on both consciously and unconsciously for thousands of years, I think he is overstating genetic engineering's importance a little bit.
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I hate his cold and distant viewpoint. He considers himself outside of human culture, as if he had the intelligence to make judgments about all others from his academic tower.
You're free to join the academic tower too! You'll get to your own conclusions, and then people around the world are going to listen to what you have to say. The speaker is not claiming to know the truth about everything; as he explains himself (maybe 23-25 minutes into the video), he's just being a scientist; that is, acknowledging his own ignorance and then seeking better answers.
72Yonatan no he's just making an academic argument, that's all. This is how academia works.
***** - The only intelligent thing he said here that I like is his request for people to turn off their damned cellular phones. As far as Harari and the anti-Jewish professors of Israeli universities and their denial of the Torah, I guess we will have to wait either for death or for the redemption before your atheism is rebutted fully. By that time, you will no longer have free will, because the truth will be obvious. So you will be a believer in the Torah at that late stage, but you will not get any credit for believing what will have become obvious. Secular Israelis have nothing to teach anyone about anything, and I pray soon to see the day when their arrogance will be obvious to everyone and they are finally humbled.
72Yonatan Wow ... you are indeed one "deep-minded" Sapiens ...
Tzvook T - I do not need either your compliment or your sarcasm - what to speak of your permission, to use my mind or my common sense, and this is my impression of this speaker so far. He can improve himself, probably by listening to his wife more.