I'm an atheist but has followed this research for many years now and even donate to some of you Christians to get this work done. We're all in this together, to spread the truth of one of the main threats to freedom of thought and self-expression.
you have the same dates for Hinduism too, they all were written during 12th to 17th century, your veda manuscript only one kept at Pune institute of Bhandarkar is dated by Unesco to 1647, all Puranas were also written during 17th century during the british era
@@BanyanVine Yeah a large amount of manuscripts were lost during the turkic invasions. But vedas are far older. Buddhist texts of 1st century and older times mention vedas. Ashoka of 2nd century bce converted to Buddhism. And Buddhists by definition don't accept the authority of vedas. So vedas should be older than Buddhism. So yeah vedas were most probably written during 1200 bce.
@@BanyanVine This type of polemics won't work against Hinduism. Truth has to be established by its own merit. Independent of the origin. Abrahamic religions are very very dependent on the source of their claims. Abrahamic idea of salvation is very different from the dharmic idea. Your religion is dependent on a particular belief being True and on the basis of that getting immortal life. That depends on u having a particular set of belief and practice. That's it. There is nothing else. Dharmic idea is very different from it. It's about illusion and getting control over your sense organs. No "faith" is involved here. U can do it in whatever way you want. As there is no faith is being involved, u can't attack the source of dharmic religions. It doesn't matter when it was written or who wrote it, as long as it contains the answers it's fine. So it's a useless polemic here.
We need youth trained in polemics to carry on the work to expose the first two types of polemics. There's been alot of great people that used to have that youth and strenght/courage that only comes from that, that have spent their time in the trenches that are no longer interesed in fighting those battles. They did their duty for us all. We cannot let that kind of vaccum form. But it will take larger numbers of people that are still young enough but well informed enough to pick up the mantle in those more dangerous areas. Like he said it's more dangerous, but it matters. All these battles require multiple avenues of work that head towards the same goal. Exposing the truth for those living in lies or ignorance of the truth.
The horrific history of Muslims in Spain, revealed by hundreds primary sources and archeological evidence recently unearthed, by Dario Fernández-Morera in his book: The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise".
the deadly cult of islam, with it's origins in heretic, antichristian scriptures, has spread like a cancer over the middle east, north africa, spain, italy, sicily and further..that was the reason why the church began the crusades in 1095, as a relatively late reaction to the brutal assaults, occupations, rapings, slavery, beheadings..why do you think the vatican has walls like a fortress! Its all history.
@annemurphy9339 .................... This will instead makes all eyes blind to the Truth that Allah SWT has sent to his prophets, including Prophet jESUs pbuh. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 Yeshua ha’Mashiach is God Incarnate, Master, Creator, Messiah, and the King of Kings and LORD of Lords that the crescent moon allah is so terrified of on the day of judgment.
@@annemurphy9339 ............................ Quoting Isaiah 9:6. Isaiah chapter 9 refers to a man who rescued the Israelites from the hands of the Midianites. This man is not Prophet jESUs pbuh, for he did not rescue a single Israelite. This refers to King Hezekiah. Prophet jESUs pbuh has no role on the Day of Judgment. He can't even intercede for you. Only Prophet Muhammad pbuh whom Allah SWT allows to intercede for those languishing in the raging fire but with an iota of belief for Him. Prophet jESUs pbuh is ashamed to get near Allah SWT for his failure to convey clearly the message commanded of him. He is just an onlooker on what's transpiring on the Day of Judgment. He may not be terrified but just ashamed. -09-23-24
@@annemurphy9339 ..................... That is your assumption. But unfortunately, Prophet jESUs pbuh will not intervene in the affairs of Allah SWT on the Day of Judgment. He might be there only as an onlooker. Or to answer questions that maybe asked by Allah SWT regarding on why he failed to convey the message commanded of him. Judgment is the sole affair of Allah SWT. -09-23-24
@@annemurphy9339 ................................ Judgment is the sole affair of Allah SWT. No one is given the right to intervene. It is hard for you to accept it. But whether you like it or not, it is Him you'll judge you. So brace yourself for that Day when you'll be shown your Record Book wherein your deeds from your Day One up to your Last Day are being religiously recorded by the angels whom Allah SWT assigned to you 24/7. Every minute details of your deeds are found in it. That will serve as the basis for judging you. Your righteous deeds will be rewarded with Paradise. Your unrighteous deeds will be rewarded with Hell. -09-24-24
The thing is it's Jewish groups that lead these wars which create the chaos and then they encourage the immigration and multiculturalism in white countries. Look up the research of Kevin Mcdonald and E. Michael Jones.
Sir Jey Smith, I request you to create a document and submit it to the catholic church. So they can make researchs and conform your details. And surely many souls will be saved in the future by our lord. And your contribution would be remembered for years. So Christ will be in every souls.
Catechism CCC nr 110 (already St.Jerome,+AD420) and John Paul II Fides et Ratio, AD 1998 demands knowing the background of the Bible,i.e., its hermeneutics and all social, political, and archaeological data available from the time of writing historical texts. One can go to any Catholic Univ. Library and find anything you want. You don't know still about Pope Benedict's xvi lecture in Regensburg on Sept. 12, 2006, and the following polemic. ps. If you claim a historical Jesus from Nazareth was or is God (Mk 10:18) you (i.e., morons) go to Hell (Mark 7:22) together with all Muslims and any other lunatics.
Al-Lah's Torah & Injeel not preserved, Quran not preserved, Muhammad's biography not preserved... but al-Lah is more concerned to preserve some little stones in Kabaa That speaks volume about al-Lah of Islam 😅
It was one stone, but stolen for approx. 20 years. The smashed remnants 8 stone pcs was purchased back to Meqqa. There is though no assurance that it is even correct remains of the black stone. Yet one stone is said to be at the possession of Mr. Erdogan prime minister of Turkey. So there are 7 small stone fragments in black wax in Qaba corner.🕋 This sounds as bad as sirat, sunnah and tafriq timeline.
Great points all. Yet even that stone in the Kabaa was stolen from Mecca, and set up in someone's latrine for years. Allah is pretty inept when it comes to protecting/preserving what he considers important.
@@hneemann ............................ You mean to say that you are following the world's biggest and oldest hoax since you are following Allah's Torah and Injeel? -09-17-24
Great job. Of course i knew big parts of this because i know your work and the others like Al Fadi from Cira International and Loyd de Jong and others. Great compilation!
@@yakovmatityahu ............................ Hoping that 'change' will enlighten everyone to the Truth so that everyone will enjoy the luxurious life in Paradise eternally where beneath it the river flows. -09-17-24
Maybe... but it appeals to alot of people because of the kind of power they derive from the freedom to let their basest desires loose and excuse them. Sanctified evil basically.
Fantastic series and the perfect length for me to share. I have been sharing these videos on numerous social media platforms. I encourage more people to actually share this and not just watch.
Thanks once again for you, for your ministry and waste knowledge, and for passing on to us❤ Wonderful for every Muslim who encounters Jesus, praise the Lord😮. A nation gets destroyed for lack of knowledge Hosea4.6! Your material is a great tool, the whole Europe needs to get informed about the true origine and message of this religion, my prayer is, that this material could be spread, it might be in package of short, precise and clear messages, in all European languages🙏. May the Lord bless you all richly ❤️
historical research (and also basic logic) proves that the city of Mecca could not have existed as a large commercial caravan city in the 7th century. Main reasons for this fact are: 1) Mecca is not an oasis, so there is no surface water (only a well, known as zamzam which is clearly unsufficient and inappropriate for watering many caravan camels) 2) Mecca is not shown on any map or any document at that time or even previously 3) Mecca is located down of Hidjaz plateau and could therefore not be located on the caravan route which is located more than 1000 m above on the plateau (eg the city of Taeef is located at an altitude of ca 2000 m while Mecca is at 300 m) 4) there were no archeological remains or artefacts (coins, potteries, ruins, bones etc) discovered in Mecca dating from before circa year 700 It is impossible that a large city would leave no trace at all of its past 5) no agriculture whatsoever is possible in this wild rocky desert location, how could a large city survive in such hostile environment ?
@@muskyoxes ...................... Yap. No doubt about it. That is why Abraham destroyed all the idols which the pagan Arab merchants bought from the neighboring towns who were believed to be already inclined by Christianity. Abraham left only one big idol. When the pagan Arabs asked who destroyed their idols, Abraham told them to ask the big one. By that, they got mad at him. And when someone pinpointed at him, they accosted him and burned him. But Allah SWT saved him by telling the fire to be 'cool' on Abraham. He felt the fire as cold as ice. -09-18-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 But that's not at all Biblical. Abraham in the Bible travels to Canaan, and wanders as a Hebrew in those regions, with some time in Egypt during famine. This land he walked is what was given to the Israelites ... they never have ruled in the Hijaz. If they did, it would be considered part of Israel, and never has been. Mecca in the Hijaz was not mentioned outside the Quran (in a solitary unlocated Becca reference) until 741 CE. It could have been a "mother of the cities" in early paleolithic times, when there weren't any actual cities, when the last Ice Age made it still an OK place for major settlement. We see the glories of Egypt, Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley for the earliest cities ... some amazing archaeological finds, but without good water supply it's not possible to irrigate much, have good food available, and support merchants, priests and armies. Abd El Malik needed a location to place the prophet, the original author might have not been such an impressive person, if his real history was known. The vagueness on the prophet's life in the Quran suggests he had a lot to hide.
There's also the qibla situation. Prayer walls in mosque-style structures built in the 7C are aligned towards Sinai, maybe Petra, a jewel of a city Arabs were very rightly proud of. Only in the 8C do we start to see the alignment towards Mecca in the Hijaz emerge, with the other location tailing off in mosque designs. The rock inscription in Taif iirc suggests that the masjid al haram was built in the 690s, so maybe Abd El Malik had decided upon a convenient fiction then, but it took some time before it was accepted. The Quran author's real location might cause problems, as then his reputation might dive when local residents filled in on the Quran's narrative.
@@collybever .............................. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian. He was a man submitting himself to Allah SWT. Whatever Allah SWT commanded him to do he would always follow. When Allah SWT commanded him to sacrifice his 'only' son Ishmael, he followed. But Allah SWT replaced his 'only' son with a ram. Hence, the Day of Sacrifice is being observed by the Muslims during the month of Hajj. The Qur'an is not like the New Testament. It is not about the biography of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. It is about divine laws, divine guidance from Allah SWT. Saudi Arabia was once 'lush and green' during the pre-historic times. It means it is abundant with water and fruits. Hence, inhabitable. -09-19-24
A wonderful summary of what honest researchers have thus far discovered about the SIN. Great introduction for those who have not been keeping up with the developments.
@@defenderoftruth3212 , try and keep up, peanut. The SIN is the Standard Islamic Narrative, meaning that collection of FABLES we find in the sirah and sunnah of how Islam began.
@@mysotiras21 ................... So, it means it is reliable and true. But I would be surprised if you and Jay Smith would say that it is not fable. -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 , "that means it is reliable and true". LOL!!!! SERIOUSLY??? You have a very wonky, childish understanding of how historical truth is determined. Go back to school.
God bless Jay Smith, you said that you guys found the extant manuscripts of sahih bukhari and others. Do you have a source for this? Where are these manuscripts of Sahih Bukhari and others ? This is the first time I hear you say this. I am so curious.
One further test could be made of the source material though it would not be conclusive. That would be if the different scholars writing in different times and places produced identical results from different sources independent of each other. It would still have to be proven they weren't copying from each other, that they had no access to each others material, that possibly they were not even aware of the other scholars existence let alone their work.
Great presentation. Where is your source claiming that Heinrich Wustenfeld compiled the Biography of Muhammad? Because I can't find anything on the internet about it.
@@earlscottchambers4280 Das Leben Mohammed's. Is it his writing or his translation? It is not clear on Wikipedia. When I look at the pdf of the book it says in German on the title page: "Das Leben Muhammad's nach Muhammad Ibn Ishaq bearbeitet von Abdel el-Malik Ibn Ischham. Aus den handschriften zu Berlin, Leipzig, Gotha and Leyden herausgegeben von Ferdinand Wüstenfeld." Translation: "The life of Muhammad according to Muhammad Ibn Ishaq edited by Abdel el-Malik Ibn Ischham. From the manuscripts in Berlin, Leipzig, Gotha and Leyden edited by Ferdinand Wüstenfeld." Is this a translation of the manuscripts from Ischam or did he compile from different sources and ascribe it to Ischam? This isn't mentioned in German. The rest is in Arabic (which I can't read). So, the Wiki source isn't sufficient and therefore invalid. (That doesn't mean it isn't true.)
@@earlscottchambers4280 That is useful, but it doesn't really tell the story of how Wustenfeld gathered the biography from the 4 universities. I know Jay went to Germany at one point, and I'm guessing he got that info there, but personally I have not been able to find his source for these particular details. I searched a lot. If you or anyone knows, I would be very interested to add this information to my notes.
@@earlscottchambers4280 ..................... I believe that this certain Heinrich Wustenfeld only plagiarized the work of the Arab writers, and have it copyrighted to himself. -09-21-24
WOW! This is very interesting. Christian and non-Christian scholars are going back into history and are arriving in 7th century Southwest Arabia - the place where the “Islamic Mohammed” supposedly lived his entire life - in the Hejaz (Mecca/Medina Region). They are inviting Muslims to come along and to join them in the search for: (1) Mecca - the oldest city in human history (2) Mohammed - the best moral example for all of mankind (3) Quran - the eternally un-changed and un-created book that was hand-written by Allah before creation (4) And (of course) the remains of Aisha’s goat. * So far, these researchers, academics, and investigators have found no sign of a city called “Mecca” in the 7th century A.D., and no sign of a book called “Quran”. However, they have found plenty of sings of other Mohammeds elsewhere in Syria, Jorden, and further North - some of these Mohammeds predate Islam as far back as 1200 B.C. and other Mohammeds whose images are on coins that bear crosses.
That last bit about on the dating of the Hadiths and traditions is like nuclear bomb. Probably as equally damaging as the 30+ plus readings of the Quran and the fact it Hafs was chosen as the standard reading in 20th century.
Sahih Muslim 146 It is narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar ('Abdullah b. 'Umar) that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) observed: Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.
That was one of only two predictions that Muhammad actually got right. As for the other, he predicted exactly how he would die if he spoke falsely about Allah.😳😳
@@mo_51_married_aisha_6 ........................... joseph_90_married_mary_12, isaac_40_married_rebecca_3 ................ 1). If you are referring to the death of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that it is caused by poison, then you are totally wrong. Four years after that poisoning incident, he was still very much alive. Could you last a day or two if you are poisoned? 2). Yes, Islam started as strange and will end as strange. This is referring to the 'End Time'. Allah SWT would not like that the believers will experience the suffering that will be brought about by the 'destruction' of the universe. So, gradually the believers will die first until there is no more left of them. That is how Islam recedes into a hole. What are being left only are the unbelievers. And it is them who will bear the brunt of destruction of the universe. Just imagine the impact of the great earthquake that would bring down the mountains. Just imagine the impact of the great flood. Just imagine how one struggles to survive this great calamity. -09-17-24
@@mo_51_married_aisha_6 ................... joseph_90_mary_12, isaac_40_rebecca_3 ................ 1). If you are referring to the death of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that it is caused by poison, then you are totally wrong. Four years after that poisoning incident, he was still very much alive. Could you last a day or two if you are poisoned? 2). Yes, Islam started as strange and will end as strange. This is referring to the 'End Time'. Allah SWT would not like that the believers will experience the suffering that will be brought about by the 'destruction' of the universe. So, gradually the believers will die first until there is no more left of them. That is how Islam recedes into a hole. -09-18-24
@@mo_51_married_aisha_6 ...................... 1). If you are referring to the death of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that it is caused by poison, then you are totally wrong. Four years after that poisoning incident, he was still very much alive. Could you last a day or two if you are poisoned? 2). Yes, Islam started as strange and will end as strange. This is referring to the 'End Time'. Allah SWT would not like that the believers will experience the suffering that will be brought about by the 'destruction' of the universe. So, gradually the believers will die first until there is no more left of them. That is how Islam recedes into a hole. What are being left only are the unbelievers. And it is them who will bear the brunt of destruction of the universe. Just imagine the impact of the great earthquake that would bring down the mountains. Just imagine the impact of the great flood. Just imagine how one struggles to survive this great calamity. -09-19-24
@defenderoftruth3212 So do you know more about how he died than Muhammad himself? He admitted that he could still feel the effects of the food he ate, and he directly attributed that as the cause.
@ChristianCaliphate ................ Wrong. Jay Smith is totally wrong with his allegation that Islam is comprised of the Book, the Man, and the Place. Recently, the Rabbis had admitted that Islam is the oldest religion which can be traced back to Adam. Therefore, Adam brought this religion down from Heaven. If Adam brought Islam from Heaven, it means it is the religion of the angels in heavens. So, when Adam landed at Mecca with Eve, it's Islam that they were preaching. And so did his offspring. Hence, Islam did not start with Prophet Muhammad pbuh. -09-26-24
As an atheist, Jay does a fantastic job teaching the historical realities of Islam. Unfortunately his powers of perception are lacking when critiquing Christianity.
How come it’s a Christian who uncovers and reveals these things?? An atheist often seems to be a euphemism for ‘anti-Christian’, since everything else can pass without opposition.
Islamophobia isn’t a thing. There’s nothing irrational about critiquing the founder of a religion, the religion itself or its culture. And there’s nothing irrational about fearing something with a 1400 year record of doing exactly what’s it’s doing right now. It’s called common sense and survival instinct. Whilst the historic polemic is fine, we cannot let the fear of terrorism stop us from critiquing the culture that is invading our countries.
@defenderoftruth3212 typical death cult thinking. Not smart enough to even consider- CONSIDER- that you could make the here and now better than you found it AND prepare for an afterlife. You sow only destruction.
@@HH-xw4hr ........................ Yes, I'm thinking of the Hereafter. That's why I followed the command of the one true God, Allah SWT, who created you and me, and everything. -09-22-24
Islam sources came from judeo/christian heretic sects that existed during the early centuries in the Middle East such as Waraga ibn Nawfal uncle of Khadijah, first wife of the " prophet " an Ebionite of a Jewish Christian sect who referred to Mo as prophet , the spirit that squeezed him the " angel Gabriel "and also translated his scriptures to Arabic and wrote down his revelation initially before he died. Other sources are from pagan believes.
@xavierbesnard9201 ...................... Watch your mouth. If Allah SWT doesn't exist, you would not existed too. But because He existed, you too existed because He created you. So, be grateful to the God who created you. Would you want Him to uncreate you? But you are already created. So the question should be, would you want to return to Him as soon as possible since you are already ungrateful with the life He gives you? -09-17-24
@@HH-xw4hr ........................... There is no light in Prophet jESUs pbuh because he failed to preserve the book which Allah SWT sent to him which was supposed to serve as the light and guidance for the children of Israel. -09-22-24
**When Were the Earliest Biographies and Sayings of Jesus and Mohammed Written?** In Christianity, the earliest biographies of Jesus are the Gospels. Mark, the earliest, was written around 70 CE, just 40 years after Jesus’ crucifixion. The other Gospels-Matthew, Luke, and John-were completed between 80-100 CE, all within a century of Jesus' life. These texts were written close to the time when eyewitnesses were still alive. In Islam, the earliest biography of Mohammed is by Ibn Ishaq, written around 767 CE, over 130 years after Mohammed’s death. However, the original is lost and is known through later edits by Ibn Hisham (d. 833 CE). The sayings of Mohammed (hadith) were collected even later, with the most trusted collections (like Bukhari and Muslim) being compiled over 200 years after Mohammed’s death. **Conclusion:** The Christian Gospels were written much closer to Jesus’ time, while the Islamic biographies and sayings of Mohammed were compiled much later, primarily during the Abbasid period.
@YeshuaAkbar7 ............................. That is what Prophet Muhammad pbuh would like it to be. He discouraged his scribes from writings his Hadiths because he feared that it might be misconstrued to be the verses of the Qur'an. So, even though his scribes would like to record his Hadiths, he did not allow them. Hence, his Hadiths were not written during his time. That is how he carefully guarded the verses of the Qur'an. -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 This excuse about Mohammed supposedly forbidding the writing of his sayings is just a convenient way to cover up the fact that Islamic sources are incredibly late and unreliable. If Mohammed was really that concerned, why didn’t he allow his closest companions to clearly preserve his teachings in writing? The truth is, it’s more likely that the hadiths and sira were cooked up much later under the Abbasid regime, who had every reason to manipulate them for their own agenda. Meanwhile, the Christian Gospels were written within the lifetime of eyewitnesses, not two centuries later when no one who actually knew Jesus was alive. The timing and political context of the Islamic sources make them highly questionable compared to the Gospels, which were far closer to the events they claim to describe. So no, this “noble intention” theory doesn’t hold up. The gap of 200 years and the political influences are what really explain why Islamic sources are so late and dubious.
@@YeshuaAkbar7 ......................... So you removed your previous reply because you realized that you're contradicting yourself. Anyway, to make it clear to you, the main, primary, primordial, paramount objective of Prophet Muhammad pbuh is the preservation of the 'word' of Allah SWT. Hence, he disallowed the jotting down of his 'sayings' (Hadiths) by his scribes to avoid being mixed with the 'revelations' he received. For once this happens, it would make the veracity of the Qur'an questionable and unreliable. So he zeroed in on the jotting down by his scribes on the 'revelations'. Needless to say, he has the foresight that if the 'revelations' and his 'sayings' are to be jotted down at the same time, his 'sayings' might be misconstrued later on as also 'revelations' from Allah SWT. Hence, the mixture of the 'revelations' and the 'sayings' is inevitable. Perhaps, this is a 'lesson-learned' he got from Prophet jESUs pbuh. Instead of the Gospel that was sent by Allah SWT that was being written by the followers of Prophet jESUs pbuh, it is his 'sayings' that were written down. Hence, the book from Allah SWT was lost into oblivion. -09-23-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 **the claim that the Qur’an has remained unchanged since its revelation is more a product of Islamic propaganda than historical reality** 1. Early Variants and Discrepancies: Historical evidence shows that different versions of the Qur’an existed in the early Islamic period. The very fact that Caliph Uthman had to standardize a single version and order all other copies to be burned is proof that multiple, conflicting versions of the Qur’an were circulating. If the Qur’an was perfectly preserved, why was there a need for Uthman’s drastic intervention? 2. Missing and Altered Verses: Early Islamic sources, like Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, admit that certain verses were lost or forgotten. For example, verses about stoning for adultery (rajm) and breastfeeding an adult to establish kinship (ridda’) are mentioned in hadiths but are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an today. Some companions of Mohammed, like Abdullah ibn Mas’ud, rejected certain chapters that are now part of the Qur’an, and he had his own version that differed from Uthman’s. This shatters the illusion of perfect preservation. 3. The Mushaf of Hafsa: After Uthman’s standardization, the original compilation of the Qur’an, kept by Mohammed’s wife Hafsa, was eventually destroyed under Caliph Marwan. If the Qur’an was truly preserved, why was the need felt to destroy this early manuscript? The fact that this version was not preserved indicates that the official Qur’an we have today could have been selectively curated, hiding variations that didn’t fit the narrative of “perfect preservation.” 4. Qira’at and Dialect Differences: The Qur’an exists in several accepted “readings” (qira’at), each with its own variations in pronunciation, word choice, and sometimes even meaning. These differences are not trivial; they affect the interpretation of key verses. If the Qur’an was perfectly preserved, there wouldn’t be a need for multiple readings. The Islamic tradition tries to spin this by claiming they’re all valid, but the existence of these differences contradicts the idea of a single, unchanged text. 5. The Sana’a Manuscripts: In the 1970s, ancient Qur’anic manuscripts were discovered in Yemen, known as the Sana’a manuscripts. These early texts show significant textual variations from the standard Qur’an, including differences in verse order, word choice, and even missing passages. These findings directly undermine the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved since Mohammed’s time. 6. Logical Inconsistency in the Narrative: If Allah intended to perfectly preserve his message, why was there so much human intervention needed in the early years, from Uthman’s standardization to the burning of alternate versions? The preservation claim doesn’t stand up when you consider that it took human decision-making, selective editing, and political authority to produce the version of the Qur’an we have today.
In the case of early Islam, the silence is deafening. There is NOT ONE mention of the Islamic Muhammad, or the city called Mecca from the 7th century. Had either existed, SOMEONE in the Middle East would have noticed and mentioned the man or the town. In the 7th century, the societies of the Middle East were highly literate and kept careful records.
@@mysotiras21 ......................... Can you clarify to us if from what place the Muslims who spread Islam into different parts of the world came from? -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 , be specific. the first Muslim invaders obviously came from the Levant, where Islam first arose. Later invaders/conquerors came from the descendants of these Muslim colonialists.
I asked gpt "Ka in arabic' Then 'Aba in arabic". Ka then means alike according to gpt. Aba means garment (more specifically a CLOAK!). then asking if kabaa (since it is not a cube inside or out but has a garment) may have been a mistranslation, then it keeps saying cube, plays hide and seek. GPT doesn't know kufic-script and no known kufic versions of kaaba or ka'aba or ka aba found in any manuscript as of yet for GPT to stake its claim. I actually showed it a picture of the inside of the kaaba to show the inside is not a cube (as gpt actually said) the arabic word for cube is mukab (or mukaeab according to google-translate.) The inside of the kaaba in mecca is called mukab and is not a cube either. and most foto's clearly hide that fact.
I believe Mohammed was more than likely a title for Umar, he would of been the praised one. Umar would of been a Messiah figure for the Jews of Edessa who were kicked out by Heraclius in 614AD and whom according to Sebeos Chronicle of 660AD.. joined with the Mohammed in Tachkastan in Mesopotomia. Sebeos also talks about a place called Yathrib which is close to Baghdad and is now a military airfield. Umar apparently conquered Jerusalem in 634AD... i think if we dig into the Lakhmids and Jewish Babylonians Exarchs in the 7th century around Harran, Al Hira and Kufa... we will get to the bottom with evidences. "Islam" began as a Messenaic Jewish cult in modern day Iraq for sure.
Dr. JAY, With all the plagiarism (from the bible) that has been exposed in the Quran, I wonder if there is plagiarism in the Quran gathered from the Talmud? Particularly in reference to intercourse with very young girls. The age at which Aisha was abused and what is sanctioned in the Talmud seems rather similar (and disturbing). Love your videos!
Jay you said he died from being poisoned by one of his wives… is there some connection I missed or did you misspeak? I was under the impression that he died when I Jewish woman poisoned his dinner after Muhammad murdered her entire family.
It's normal for the first extant manuscripts to be 100 or 200 years after the date of composition. That's how the new testament works. If you have such manuscripts, you can be assured that the claimed dates of composition are real
**Timing Gaps Expose Weaknesses in Islamic Sources vs. Christian Gospels** The Christian Gospels were written much closer to Jesus' time, while Islamic biographies and hadiths were compiled much later, primarily during the Abbasid period. **Average Time Difference:** - Gospels: About 70 years after Jesus' death. - Islamic Biographies and Hadith: Around 150-200 years after Mohammed's death. This results in an average time gap of approximately 80-130 years, with Islamic texts being compiled significantly later than the Christian Gospels. The long delay between Mohammed’s life and the compilation of Islamic texts undermines their credibility, especially regarding eyewitness accounts. The Gospels were written closer to Jesus' life, making it more likely they were based on eyewitness testimony or reliable oral traditions. In contrast, Islamic sources were compiled 150-200 years after Mohammed’s death, suggesting they are based more on second-hand reports or hearsay rather than direct witnesses. The Christian Gospels thus have a stronger case for containing elements of eyewitness or near-contemporary involvement.
@YeshuaAkbar7 ........................... Have you not observed that the Biography of Prophet Muhammad pbuh is written in the separate book/s from the Qur'an? Have you not observed that the Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad is written in separate book/s from the Qur'an? Have you not observed that the Biography of Prophet Muhammad and his Hadiths are not being used to serve as the foundation of faith of the Muslims? Then, have you not observed that the Biography of Prophet jESUs pbuh and his Hadiths are not being separated from the Bible? Rather, his Biography and his Hadiths served as the foundation of faith of Christianity? Can you see now the Big Difference? -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 1. **Different Purposes**: The Qur’an and hadiths are separate because they serve different roles. The Qur’an is believed to be the direct word of God, while the hadiths are Mohammed’s teachings and actions. In Islam, they need to be kept separate to avoid confusion. Christianity mixes everything together in the Bible, which is why it’s structured differently. 2. **Hadiths Are Essential**: Saying that hadiths aren’t part of the foundation of Islam is flat-out wrong. Muslims rely on hadiths to understand how to follow the Qur’an in daily life. Things like prayer, fasting, and other practices come from hadiths. You can’t practice Islam fully without them. 3. **Intentional Separation**: Islam keeps the Qur’an separate from other writings to preserve its status as divine scripture. Christianity, on the other hand, combines Jesus’ life, teachings, and other writings all in one book because of their belief that they all serve as part of God’s message. 4. **Confused Comparison**: The person doesn’t understand that the Bible contains different types of writings-stories of Jesus, letters, and teachings-all mixed together. Islam deliberately organizes its texts differently for clarity. In short, you’re making a sloppy comparison between two religions that function very differently. You’re comparing things that aren’t meant to be compared in the first place.
@@defenderoftruth3212 If you think it’s meaningless, then you missed the point. The timing gap between events and the recording of those events is a key factor in historical reliability. The Gospels were written closer to Jesus’ time by firsthand witnesses or those who had access to them. In contrast, many Islamic sources, including hadith collections, were compiled long after Mohammed’s death, increasing the potential for distortions. Your attempt to deflect by focusing on how texts are separated or organized doesn’t address the core issue: credibility based on historical proximity. Whether texts are combined or kept separate doesn’t change the fact that the reliability of a source diminishes the further it is removed from the actual events
@@YeshuaAkbar7 ..................... I don't know what made you say that the 4 make-believe gospels were written by the first-hand witnesses. Mark was the first to write a gospel (?) and he's not in any way connected to Prophet jESUs pbuh. Then a chain-reaction of plagiarism occurred. Matthew copied the work of Mark, although he made some additions and distortions. Then Luke did the same as what Matthew did. He plagiarized Mark's and Matthew's works. Also, he made some additions and distortions. And lastly John. John wrote his work a little late, maybe around 75 to 85 years from Mark. And mind you, these 4 writers spoke Greek. They did not speak Aramaic which is totally impossible to be among the disciples of Prophet jESUs pbuh. -09-23-24
This does not make sense, Islam was formed by 661 but the character called mohammed who recieved these scriptures was not there to over see it, to read the texts, edit them and ensure it is accuracy, so therefore is all wrong! Currupted, Not eternal and not perfectly preserved, not the word of Alan.
@springheeledjack9652 ................... Ignorance is the name of your game. Prophet Muhammad pbuh was the one who compiled the Qur'an, arranged the verses and Surahs. After that, Angel Jibreel reviewed what he did. And so the final arrangement of the Qur'an is what as it is in the book we have today. -09-22-24
Chrislam the one world religion, by Pope, and UAE adopted by the UN General Assembly in resolution A/RES/75/200 of December 21, 2020, and the Makkah Declaration adopted in Mecca in May 2019 Declaration of Alma-Ata International Conference on Primary Health Care, Alma-Ata, USSR, 6-12 September 1978 Kazakhstan
There was another "prophet" , who claimed to be "The seal of the prophets", the Paraclete announced by the Messiah - his name is MANI, born 527 AD.... In his book "Shaburkan". ALBIRUNI wrote about him in his Chronology of ancient nations Page 207 [190 reprint]
You need to rethink your argument. Without the Bible and Historical Jesus, true christians still have the Holy Ghost. Also Jesus has appeared since the bible and he has records in addition to the bible. He testified that He had other sheep that needed to hear His voice. Do you not believe Him? The true Church of Jesus Christ is more resilient than the Bible. It is better to know the author than the book.
I think Abdul Malik isn't a christian. If he were he wouldn't compiled new 'gospels' and just use the existing gospel as a source for his unitarian concept. I think he does that to mock and make fun of the the people of the bible, book. From all of that, i think abdul malik is a very crazy person.
Dr Smith and fellow Crusaders ... you may think being polemics is just on the offence towards i-slam ... but another superpower wants to replace USA, so be extremely careful for what info shared to the world ... chinese always wanted to be the master of the universe if not multiverses ... LOL ...
This is good work. However, like apologist David Wood, the speaker Dr Jay doesn’t under stand that similar arguments apply to Christianity as well. In this video, he makes false claims about Christianity . No, the New Testament was not written by “eyewitnesses.”. No, the Gospels were NOT written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John. All the Abrahamic religions are based on myths and lies. “
Actually Jay, Christianity did not start from a Bible, it started from a tradition. A collection of Apostels, witnesses and believers. They established a Church from India to Spain, to Ethiopia, To Ireland. Only later the scriptures that served a role in services were collected in a library we call The Bible. Christianity is not Sola Scriptura that idea at it's core is an Islamic Idea... 😂😂😂
I think the Sola Scriptura concept is just really saying don't go off and invent stuff, on a tangent. Like the Quran teaches that Jesus was born in the wilderness, and cried I am a slave of Allah as a baby .. which however has deviated far from the original text, the Messiah was born in Bethlehem and had to be, and was not speaking as an adult in babyhood, with things the like of which He never says in the gospels. If we see Mary in the Bible for instance, she certainly had a very honourable role, but then one sees in the gospels that she isn't perfect, and she herself waits for the coming of the Holy Spirit, Christ is her redeemer. So that would make later glorifications of her, out of place, and unreal. That drift is not a good idea, although drift on the big issues is what is really bad, so for example, Surah 4.157 negates the possibility of salvation [for those who accept its claim], by denying a critical part.
@@collybever Sola Scriptura is Heresy, Jesus didn't leave a book, he left a tradition. If you understand how Catholic/Orthodox liturgy works it all falls into place. If not, you follow your own head canon and you will be your own Pope.
It is damaging to this presentation, even ridiculous, to claim that 4 gospels are written by eye witnesses. Like when reading AT THE SAME TIME days around Passover, and resurrection, the contradictions are far too numerous to harmonize. Markus and Lukas have wholly different Jesuses: a man and a "victorious powerful angel". But... islam is a far worse house of cards. Lies. Not even Mecca existed then. 😆 (And this German Sira: is the claim that muslims never had a Sira book, compilation, before this German?😮)
@mattilatvala4164 ................ This German writer plagiarized the works of the Arab writers and have it copyrighted to himself. This is an act of professional thievery. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 I have been in impression that he made a compilation of Hisham -attributed siras he found. Not wrote his own! I am interested whether or NOT muslims could buy☝️ such a book BEFORE his compilation. Yes or no??? If, IF, NOT, one of islam central texts did NOT in PRACTICE (USE) exist before him.🤔
The facts are these. 1) The traditional history of Islam is in direct conflict with the written history and archeology of every other kingdom and country, including Egypt, Greece, Rome, and the Chinese. 2) If you want to go to heaven, you have to know the real way, not the dead end roads created by Satan. 3) There's only perfection in God. All the contradictions to Islamic traditional history in modern archeology, the delusional Islamic literature, and the pagan idolatry in Islam are imperfections. The Satanic verses, worshipping the black stone, and Al Jinn, ancient pagan gods of the Arabians, plus Allah's 3 daughters names are still in the Quran. Those are the names of the daughters of the moon god, which imports Hermes Trismegistus. Islam admits to being a gnostic, political system of laws, hardly a religion. It's not the way to heaven. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and none come to the Father but through me." If you don't want to go to hell, repent and put your trust in Jesus.
@@valerieprice1745Bless your heart Val. As much as I hate the deception that is Islam (&rightly so), it kills me to know that a huge population of the world hold fast to this obviously, provably false ideology, including people I know personally. It's also unbelievable to hear people identifying the Islamic Allah as the Biblical God.
@@oluwafemisamuel-ajayi .......................... Islamic Allah SWT Is different from the Biblical god. Allah SWT is only One, while the Biblical god(s) is/are composed of three persons which cannot be fused together. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 Yeah, your Tawhid is it? The thing is you believe you ought to perfectly comprehend God's nature with your inadequate human intellect/mind. The trinity isn't three gods friend, it's One God, Three Divine Persons. It's how the Biblical God revealed Himself in the scriptures. It is not a human concept. It blows the human mind but it isn't illogical. But you also believe in divine revelation don't you? Except the one you call Allah does not even understand who the supposedly erroneous Christian God is. Allah thinks Christians worship God, Mary and Jesus as a trinity of gods in the Koran, amongst many other misunderstanding and misinformation errors you wouldn't expect from a Tahwidic Almighty being. Friend, Islam is a fabrication of a single wicked demon possessed Arab man in the 7th century. There is no life in it, only eternal death because it doesn't understand nor solve the problem of sin. There is only one atonement for you. God Himself preoared it and offer it to you free of Charge in His Only Begotten God-Man Son Jesus Christ. He said; "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through me." Christ pointed to no one else, neither does he validate any man. He is the only God who saves!
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I'm an atheist but has followed this research for many years now and even donate to some of you Christians to get this work done. We're all in this together, to spread the truth of one of the main threats to freedom of thought and self-expression.
It's time to come home
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It's why they are called 'Reverts' because they are coming home to Islam. -09-25-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 🤡🤡😂😂
@@johnsonolushola5131 ......................
It's time to come home to Islam. -09-26-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 who calls them reverts? 😂😂😂 You are delousional
I am hindu from india.THANKS A LOT FOR THIS AMAZING PRESENTATION.I AM PLANNING TO MAKE FULL USE OF THIS POLEMIC.
I am a Christian and I approve of your message 😁
@@dmen6810Yes brother. Unity against the curse .
you have the same dates for Hinduism too, they all were written during 12th to 17th century, your veda manuscript only one kept at Pune institute of Bhandarkar is dated by Unesco to 1647, all Puranas were also written during 17th century during the british era
@@BanyanVine Yeah a large amount of manuscripts were lost during the turkic invasions. But vedas are far older. Buddhist texts of 1st century and older times mention vedas. Ashoka of 2nd century bce converted to Buddhism. And Buddhists by definition don't accept the authority of vedas. So vedas should be older than Buddhism. So yeah vedas were most probably written during 1200 bce.
@@BanyanVine This type of polemics won't work against Hinduism. Truth has to be established by its own merit. Independent of the origin. Abrahamic religions are very very dependent on the source of their claims. Abrahamic idea of salvation is very different from the dharmic idea. Your religion is dependent on a particular belief being True and on the basis of that getting immortal life. That depends on u having a particular set of belief and practice. That's it. There is nothing else. Dharmic idea is very different from it. It's about illusion and getting control over your sense organs. No "faith" is involved here. U can do it in whatever way you want. As there is no faith is being involved, u can't attack the source of dharmic religions. It doesn't matter when it was written or who wrote it, as long as it contains the answers it's fine. So it's a useless polemic here.
We need youth trained in polemics to carry on the work to expose the first two types of polemics. There's been alot of great people that used to have that youth and strenght/courage that only comes from that, that have spent their time in the trenches that are no longer interesed in fighting those battles. They did their duty for us all. We cannot let that kind of vaccum form. But it will take larger numbers of people that are still young enough but well informed enough to pick up the mantle in those more dangerous areas. Like he said it's more dangerous, but it matters.
All these battles require multiple avenues of work that head towards the same goal. Exposing the truth for those living in lies or ignorance of the truth.
We need to make this general knowledge to all non-muslims too. To make them immune to dawah.
@@amemabastet9055 .............................
Hoping that Prophet jESUs pbuh will guide you to the Truth about his God. -09-18-24
The horrific history of Muslims in Spain, revealed by hundreds primary sources and archeological evidence recently unearthed, by Dario Fernández-Morera in his book: The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise".
Have that book in my Library a must read for anyone interested in Spanish History.
the deadly cult of islam, with it's origins in heretic, antichristian scriptures, has spread like a cancer over the middle east, north africa, spain, italy, sicily and further..that was the reason why the church began the crusades in 1095, as a relatively late reaction to the brutal assaults, occupations, rapings, slavery, beheadings..why do you think the vatican has walls like a fortress! Its all history.
Lmao without Muslim there is no Spain history, your entire history is based on stealing Muslims culture and history
I pray this goes viral and opens many blinded eyes.
@annemurphy9339 ....................
This will instead makes all eyes blind to the Truth that Allah SWT has sent to his prophets, including Prophet jESUs pbuh. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 Yeshua ha’Mashiach is God Incarnate, Master, Creator, Messiah, and the King of Kings and LORD of Lords that the crescent moon allah is so terrified of on the day of judgment.
@@annemurphy9339 ............................
Quoting Isaiah 9:6. Isaiah chapter 9 refers to a man who rescued the Israelites from the hands of the Midianites. This man is not Prophet jESUs pbuh, for he did not rescue a single Israelite. This refers to King Hezekiah.
Prophet jESUs pbuh has no role on the Day of Judgment. He can't even intercede for you. Only Prophet Muhammad pbuh whom Allah SWT allows to intercede for those languishing in the raging fire but with an iota of belief for Him. Prophet jESUs pbuh is ashamed to get near Allah SWT for his failure to convey clearly the message commanded of him. He is just an onlooker on what's transpiring on the Day of Judgment. He may not be terrified but just ashamed. -09-23-24
@@annemurphy9339 .....................
That is your assumption. But unfortunately, Prophet jESUs pbuh will not intervene in the affairs of Allah SWT on the Day of Judgment. He might be there only as an onlooker. Or to answer questions that maybe asked by Allah SWT regarding on why he failed to convey the message commanded of him. Judgment is the sole affair of Allah SWT. -09-23-24
@@annemurphy9339 ................................
Judgment is the sole affair of Allah SWT. No one is given the right to intervene. It is hard for you to accept it. But whether you like it or not, it is Him you'll judge you. So brace yourself for that Day when you'll be shown your Record Book wherein your deeds from your Day One up to your Last Day are being religiously recorded by the angels whom Allah SWT assigned to you 24/7. Every minute details of your deeds are found in it. That will serve as the basis for judging you. Your righteous deeds will be rewarded with Paradise. Your unrighteous deeds will be rewarded with Hell. -09-24-24
Thank you so much, Dr. Jay Smith! A very interesting research! ❤️🤔
Political leaders in US Europe must listen carefully to Dr Jay Smith; And Starmer PM UK included .
The thing is it's Jewish groups that lead these wars which create the chaos and then they encourage the immigration and multiculturalism in white countries. Look up the research of Kevin Mcdonald and E. Michael Jones.
Jay Smith lays it down like a boss!
Where are the next sequential 3 videos to watch the full series? I’m eager to watch them. Thank you and God bless you.
Keep up the great work. Very interesting and important in this time.
Sir Jey Smith, I request you to create a document and submit it to the catholic church. So they can make researchs and conform your details. And surely many souls will be saved in the future by our lord. And your contribution would be remembered for years. So Christ will be in every souls.
Catechism CCC nr 110 (already St.Jerome,+AD420) and John Paul II Fides et Ratio, AD 1998 demands knowing the background of the Bible,i.e., its hermeneutics and all social, political, and archaeological data available from the time of writing historical texts. One can go to any Catholic Univ. Library and find anything you want. You don't know still about Pope Benedict's xvi lecture in Regensburg on Sept. 12, 2006, and the following polemic. ps. If you claim a historical Jesus from Nazareth was or is God (Mk 10:18) you (i.e., morons) go to Hell (Mark 7:22) together with all Muslims and any other lunatics.
He should be a proper "Sir" knighted by the queen, for the work that he has done.
@@whatistheevidence370 It would need to be the King now.
Al-Lah's Torah & Injeel not preserved, Quran not preserved, Muhammad's biography not preserved... but al-Lah is more concerned to preserve some little stones in Kabaa
That speaks volume about al-Lah of Islam 😅
its the worlds biggest and oldest hoax
It was one stone, but stolen for approx. 20 years. The smashed remnants 8 stone pcs was purchased back to Meqqa. There is though no assurance that it is even correct remains of the black stone. Yet one stone is said to be at the possession of Mr. Erdogan prime minister of Turkey. So there are 7 small stone fragments in black wax in Qaba corner.🕋 This sounds as bad as sirat, sunnah and tafriq timeline.
Today I found out al lah is a false translation it’s L-Lah
Great points all. Yet even that stone in the Kabaa was stolen from Mecca, and set up in someone's latrine for years. Allah is pretty inept when it comes to protecting/preserving what he considers important.
@@hneemann ............................
You mean to say that you are following the world's biggest and oldest hoax since you are following Allah's Torah and Injeel? -09-17-24
Great job. Of course i knew big parts of this because i know your work and the others like Al Fadi from Cira International and Loyd de Jong and others. Great compilation!
It is useful to look at the histories or mythologies of religions. But what really matters is the contents of the respective religions.
Yet another banger from Jay Smith!
Well done Dr Jay.
We are eagerly waiting for the remaining video.
Great!
This is groundbreaking material!
@@toddbeamer6131 groundbreaking??? Nah, World changing.
@@yakovmatityahu ............................
Hoping that 'change' will enlighten everyone to the Truth so that everyone will enjoy the luxurious life in Paradise eternally where beneath it the river flows. -09-17-24
Islam the Greatest Scam in Human History 😅
Maybe... but it appeals to alot of people because of the kind of power they derive from the freedom to let their basest desires loose and excuse them. Sanctified evil basically.
@@WatchingTrainsGoBy-PassingTime 😃
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True,and it has taken the most people to hell😢
@@johnathanmaweu5550 yes all muslims 😑
Finally awesome and good to see something new of Jay smith. Been waiting long for these live presentations
Fantastic series and the perfect length for me to share. I have been sharing these videos on numerous social media platforms. I encourage more people to actually share this and not just watch.
Most excellent 👌 🎉. Glory to God!!!
Great material! I always learn a few new things in every talk.
without lies, islam dies.
Thanks once again for you, for your ministry and waste knowledge, and for passing on to us❤ Wonderful for every Muslim who encounters Jesus, praise the Lord😮. A nation gets destroyed for lack of knowledge Hosea4.6! Your material is a great tool, the whole Europe needs to get informed about the true origine and message of this religion, my prayer is, that this material could be spread, it might be in package of short, precise and clear messages, in all European languages🙏. May the Lord bless you all richly ❤️
This is great material. 🔥🔥🔥
historical research (and also basic logic) proves that the city of Mecca could not have existed as a large commercial caravan city in the 7th century.
Main reasons for this fact are:
1) Mecca is not an oasis, so there is no surface water (only a well, known as zamzam which is clearly unsufficient and inappropriate for watering many caravan camels)
2) Mecca is not shown on any map or any document at that time or even previously
3) Mecca is located down of Hidjaz plateau and could therefore not be located on the caravan route which is located more than 1000 m above on the plateau (eg the city of Taeef is located at an altitude of ca 2000 m while Mecca is at 300 m)
4) there were no archeological remains or artefacts (coins, potteries, ruins, bones etc) discovered in Mecca dating from before circa year 700
It is impossible that a large city would leave no trace at all of its past
5) no agriculture whatsoever is possible in this wild rocky desert location, how could a large city survive in such hostile environment ?
And Muslims are stuck claiming that Mecca was a major city in the time of Abraham
@@muskyoxes ......................
Yap. No doubt about it. That is why Abraham destroyed all the idols which the pagan Arab merchants bought from the neighboring towns who were believed to be already inclined by Christianity. Abraham left only one big idol. When the pagan Arabs asked who destroyed their idols, Abraham told them to ask the big one. By that, they got mad at him. And when someone pinpointed at him, they accosted him and burned him. But Allah SWT saved him by telling the fire to be 'cool' on Abraham. He felt the fire as cold as ice. -09-18-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 But that's not at all Biblical. Abraham in the Bible travels to Canaan, and wanders as a Hebrew in those regions, with some time in Egypt during famine. This land he walked is what was given to the Israelites ... they never have ruled in the Hijaz. If they did, it would be considered part of Israel, and never has been. Mecca in the Hijaz was not mentioned outside the Quran (in a solitary unlocated Becca reference) until 741 CE. It could have been a "mother of the cities" in early paleolithic times, when there weren't any actual cities, when the last Ice Age made it still an OK place for major settlement. We see the glories of Egypt, Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley for the earliest cities ... some amazing archaeological finds, but without good water supply it's not possible to irrigate much, have good food available, and support merchants, priests and armies. Abd El Malik needed a location to place the prophet, the original author might have not been such an impressive person, if his real history was known. The vagueness on the prophet's life in the Quran suggests he had a lot to hide.
There's also the qibla situation. Prayer walls in mosque-style structures built in the 7C are aligned towards Sinai, maybe Petra, a jewel of a city Arabs were very rightly proud of. Only in the 8C do we start to see the alignment towards Mecca in the Hijaz emerge, with the other location tailing off in mosque designs. The rock inscription in Taif iirc suggests that the masjid al haram was built in the 690s, so maybe Abd El Malik had decided upon a convenient fiction then, but it took some time before it was accepted. The Quran author's real location might cause problems, as then his reputation might dive when local residents filled in on the Quran's narrative.
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Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian. He was a man submitting himself to Allah SWT. Whatever Allah SWT commanded him to do he would always follow. When Allah SWT commanded him to sacrifice his 'only' son Ishmael, he followed. But Allah SWT replaced his 'only' son with a ram. Hence, the Day of Sacrifice is being observed by the Muslims during the month of Hajj.
The Qur'an is not like the New Testament. It is not about the biography of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. It is about divine laws, divine guidance from Allah SWT.
Saudi Arabia was once 'lush and green' during the pre-historic times. It means it is abundant with water and fruits. Hence, inhabitable. -09-19-24
A wonderful summary of what honest researchers have thus far discovered about the SIN. Great introduction for those who have not been keeping up with the developments.
@mysotiras21 .....................
Where can we find the SIN? Is it written? Is it a book? Or is it just imaginary? -09-17-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 , try and keep up, peanut. The SIN is the Standard Islamic Narrative, meaning that collection of FABLES we find in the sirah and sunnah of how Islam began.
@@mysotiras21 ...................
So, it means it is reliable and true. But I would be surprised if you and Jay Smith would say that it is not fable. -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 , "that means it is reliable and true". LOL!!!! SERIOUSLY??? You have a very wonky, childish understanding of how historical truth is determined. Go back to school.
God bless Jay Smith, you said that you guys found the extant manuscripts of sahih bukhari and others. Do you have a source for this? Where are these manuscripts of Sahih Bukhari and others ? This is the first time I hear you say this. I am so curious.
There are some things that I disagree with but i agree with the revisionist.
One further test could be made of the source material though it would not be conclusive. That would be if the different scholars writing in different times and places produced identical results from different sources independent of each other. It would still have to be proven they weren't copying from each other, that they had no access to each others material, that possibly they were not even aware of the other scholars existence let alone their work.
Protect this man at all cost. I'd love to see him on a mainstream podcast.
How do you download the presentation
Already found this so long ago thanks for refresher lesson
As history student I really hope for a published monograph about these findings in great detail. Our view of history would not be the same after that.
Great presentation. Where is your source claiming that Heinrich Wustenfeld compiled the Biography of Muhammad? Because I can't find anything on the internet about it.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_W%C3%BCstenfeld
@@earlscottchambers4280 Das Leben Mohammed's. Is it his writing or his translation? It is not clear on Wikipedia.
When I look at the pdf of the book it says in German on the title page: "Das Leben Muhammad's nach Muhammad Ibn Ishaq bearbeitet von Abdel el-Malik Ibn Ischham. Aus den handschriften zu Berlin, Leipzig, Gotha and Leyden herausgegeben von Ferdinand Wüstenfeld."
Translation: "The life of Muhammad according to Muhammad Ibn Ishaq edited by Abdel el-Malik Ibn Ischham. From the manuscripts in Berlin, Leipzig, Gotha and Leyden edited by Ferdinand Wüstenfeld."
Is this a translation of the manuscripts from Ischam or did he compile from different sources and ascribe it to Ischam? This isn't mentioned in German. The rest is in Arabic (which I can't read).
So, the Wiki source isn't sufficient and therefore invalid. (That doesn't mean it isn't true.)
@@earlscottchambers4280 That is useful, but it doesn't really tell the story of how Wustenfeld gathered the biography from the 4 universities. I know Jay went to Germany at one point, and I'm guessing he got that info there, but personally I have not been able to find his source for these particular details. I searched a lot. If you or anyone knows, I would be very interested to add this information to my notes.
@@earlscottchambers4280 .....................
I believe that this certain Heinrich Wustenfeld only plagiarized the work of the Arab writers, and have it copyrighted to himself. -09-21-24
Thank's Dr Jay smith for this ground breaking reserch , this going to put things in the right perspectives.
WOW! This is very interesting. Christian and non-Christian scholars are going back into history and are arriving in 7th century Southwest Arabia - the place where the “Islamic Mohammed” supposedly lived his entire life - in the Hejaz (Mecca/Medina Region). They are inviting Muslims to come along and to join them in the search for:
(1) Mecca - the oldest city in human history
(2) Mohammed - the best moral example for all of mankind
(3) Quran - the eternally un-changed and un-created book that was hand-written by Allah before creation
(4) And (of course) the remains of Aisha’s goat.
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So far, these researchers, academics, and investigators have found no sign of a city called “Mecca” in the 7th century A.D., and no sign of a book called “Quran”. However, they have found plenty of sings of other Mohammeds elsewhere in Syria, Jorden, and further North - some of these Mohammeds predate Islam as far back as 1200 B.C. and other Mohammeds whose images are on coins that bear crosses.
Where is the rest of the presentation?
That last bit about on the dating of the Hadiths and traditions is like nuclear bomb. Probably as equally damaging as the 30+ plus readings of the Quran and the fact it Hafs was chosen as the standard reading in 20th century.
@leedza .............................
Hope you are not referring to the Hadiths of Prophet jESUs pbuh. -09-17-24
Jesus is God. He loves you.
looking forward to the mecca presentation
I can't seem to get the powerpoint for this. Can I get the direct link to it?
Notice, the PowerPoint was only for those who were at the meeting
So when they say not one word not one letter has been changed they really mean not one word not one letter is true !!😮😮😮fantastic guys 👏 👍 orsome
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍!!! 7 Daumen from Germany!
Sahih Muslim 146 It is narrated on the authority of Ibn 'Umar ('Abdullah b. 'Umar) that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) observed:
Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.
That was one of only two predictions that Muhammad actually got right. As for the other, he predicted exactly how he would die if he spoke falsely about Allah.😳😳
@@mo_51_married_aisha_6 ...........................
joseph_90_married_mary_12, isaac_40_married_rebecca_3 ................
1). If you are referring to the death of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that it is caused by poison, then you are totally wrong. Four years after that poisoning incident, he was still very much alive. Could you last a day or two if you are poisoned?
2). Yes, Islam started as strange and will end as strange. This is referring to the 'End Time'. Allah SWT would not like that the believers will experience the suffering that will be brought about by the 'destruction' of the universe. So, gradually the believers will die first until there is no more left of them. That is how Islam recedes into a hole. What are being left only are the unbelievers. And it is them who will bear the brunt of destruction of the universe. Just imagine the impact of the great earthquake that would bring down the mountains. Just imagine the impact of the great flood. Just imagine how one struggles to survive this great calamity. -09-17-24
@@mo_51_married_aisha_6 ...................
joseph_90_mary_12, isaac_40_rebecca_3 ................
1). If you are referring to the death of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that it is caused by poison, then you are totally wrong. Four years after that poisoning incident, he was still very much alive. Could you last a day or two if you are poisoned?
2). Yes, Islam started as strange and will end as strange. This is referring to the 'End Time'. Allah SWT would not like that the believers will experience the suffering that will be brought about by the 'destruction' of the universe. So, gradually the believers will die first until there is no more left of them. That is how Islam recedes into a hole. -09-18-24
@@mo_51_married_aisha_6 ......................
1). If you are referring to the death of Prophet Muhammad pbuh that it is caused by poison, then you are totally wrong. Four years after that poisoning incident, he was still very much alive. Could you last a day or two if you are poisoned?
2). Yes, Islam started as strange and will end as strange. This is referring to the 'End Time'. Allah SWT would not like that the believers will experience the suffering that will be brought about by the 'destruction' of the universe. So, gradually the believers will die first until there is no more left of them. That is how Islam recedes into a hole. What are being left only are the unbelievers. And it is them who will bear the brunt of destruction of the universe. Just imagine the impact of the great earthquake that would bring down the mountains. Just imagine the impact of the great flood. Just imagine how one struggles to survive this great calamity. -09-19-24
@defenderoftruth3212 So do you know more about how he died than Muhammad himself? He admitted that he could still feel the effects of the food he ate, and he directly attributed that as the cause.
"The book, the Man, the Place" - Jay Smith
He does it again
@ChristianCaliphate ................
Wrong. Jay Smith is totally wrong with his allegation that Islam is comprised of the Book, the Man, and the Place. Recently, the Rabbis had admitted that Islam is the oldest religion which can be traced back to Adam. Therefore, Adam brought this religion down from Heaven. If Adam brought Islam from Heaven, it means it is the religion of the angels in heavens. So, when Adam landed at Mecca with Eve, it's Islam that they were preaching. And so did his offspring. Hence, Islam did not start with Prophet Muhammad pbuh. -09-26-24
trying to get water out of a ship that has sunk to the bottom of the ocean. this is what they do
@Primero.Christ ............................
It means an exercise in futility. -09-17-24
Great video god bless
As an atheist, Jay does a fantastic job teaching the historical realities of Islam. Unfortunately his powers of perception are lacking when critiquing Christianity.
Christianity is the most critiqued, analysed, deconstructed faith in the world. It still stands just because - it is truth.
@@AS-np3yq Nonsense. All religions are man-made and based upon superstition.
How come it’s a Christian who uncovers and reveals these things?? An atheist often seems to be a euphemism for ‘anti-Christian’, since everything else can pass without opposition.
I have been drinking in the TRUTHS you and Al Fadi (CIRA International CZcams) have been teaching. You are a treasure!!
@meandkathinkihei ...........................
Hope you'll not get drunk. -09-17-24
@@defenderoftruth3212hope you get drunk, just dont do it everyday
Islamophobia isn’t a thing. There’s nothing irrational about critiquing the founder of a religion, the religion itself or its culture. And there’s nothing irrational about fearing something with a 1400 year record of doing exactly what’s it’s doing right now. It’s called common sense and survival instinct. Whilst the historic polemic is fine, we cannot let the fear of terrorism stop us from critiquing the culture that is invading our countries.
@beefymario88 ....................
Think of the Hereafter. Not of the Now. -09-19-24
@defenderoftruth3212 typical death cult thinking. Not smart enough to even consider- CONSIDER- that you could make the here and now better than you found it AND prepare for an afterlife. You sow only destruction.
@@defenderoftruth3212 same to you, think of the hereafter not of the now
@@HH-xw4hr ........................
Yes, I'm thinking of the Hereafter. That's why I followed the command of the one true God, Allah SWT, who created you and me, and everything. -09-22-24
Homophobia and Transphobia are also not a thing..
Muslims leaves the room...
wowww this is some heavy hitting damaging information
*❤Dr. Jay.❤from Kerala❤*
Jay,
Why u lit a small fire
Islam sources came from judeo/christian heretic sects that existed during the early centuries in the Middle East such as Waraga ibn Nawfal uncle of Khadijah, first wife of the " prophet " an Ebionite of a Jewish Christian sect who referred to Mo as prophet , the spirit that squeezed him the " angel Gabriel "and also translated his scriptures to Arabic and wrote down his revelation initially before he died. Other sources are from pagan believes.
Mashed together with Persian sects..
Even Allah doesn't exist .
Why do you want to place your confidence in a god who makes the sun turning around the earth ? Absurdity !
@xavierbesnard9201 ......................
Watch your mouth. If Allah SWT doesn't exist, you would not existed too. But because He existed, you too existed because He created you. So, be grateful to the God who created you. Would you want Him to uncreate you? But you are already created. So the question should be, would you want to return to Him as soon as possible since you are already ungrateful with the life He gives you? -09-17-24
Don't forget that the sun sinks into a muddy swamp every night according to Mohammed!!
@@geoffreythomas7319 .........................
The sun sinks in any place wherever you are. Be logical. -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 bro your head is so confused, i really pray for you. Hope you will see the light in Jesus and not the dark in muhammad
@@HH-xw4hr ...........................
There is no light in Prophet jESUs pbuh because he failed to preserve the book which Allah SWT sent to him which was supposed to serve as the light and guidance for the children of Israel. -09-22-24
alfonzo knows its destroying islam so in desperation he always run to the debunked 3 gods argument😂🤣😂🤣
I'm an x muslim. Can I have this presentation
@buddakutta4003 ......................
Only one word for you - Pity. -09-22-24
@buddakutta4003 .....................
My deepest pity on you. -09-23-24
Wow
👍
Do anybody know how old the Sirah of al - Waqidi is ? I think we don't have his work, so when did it show up ?
17:01 careful mentioning your flights around those who might be listening, Jay 😉
Genesis 12:1-3 Ezekiel 18:20 James 2:23 Ezekiel 37:1-3!!! Hebreo 4:12
❤️😇💐🙏👍👍👌
**When Were the Earliest Biographies and Sayings of Jesus and Mohammed Written?**
In Christianity, the earliest biographies of Jesus are the Gospels. Mark, the earliest, was written around 70 CE, just 40 years after Jesus’ crucifixion. The other Gospels-Matthew, Luke, and John-were completed between 80-100 CE, all within a century of Jesus' life. These texts were written close to the time when eyewitnesses were still alive.
In Islam, the earliest biography of Mohammed is by Ibn Ishaq, written around 767 CE, over 130 years after Mohammed’s death. However, the original is lost and is known through later edits by Ibn Hisham (d. 833 CE). The sayings of Mohammed (hadith) were collected even later, with the most trusted collections (like Bukhari and Muslim) being compiled over 200 years after Mohammed’s death.
**Conclusion:** The Christian Gospels were written much closer to Jesus’ time, while the Islamic biographies and sayings of Mohammed were compiled much later, primarily during the Abbasid period.
@YeshuaAkbar7 .............................
That is what Prophet Muhammad pbuh would like it to be. He discouraged his scribes from writings his Hadiths because he feared that it might be misconstrued to be the verses of the Qur'an. So, even though his scribes would like to record his Hadiths, he did not allow them. Hence, his Hadiths were not written during his time. That is how he carefully guarded the verses of the Qur'an. -09-19-24
@@YeshuaAkbar7 ..........................
So you are now contradicting yourself. How funny you are. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 This excuse about Mohammed supposedly forbidding the writing of his sayings is just a convenient way to cover up the fact that Islamic sources are incredibly late and unreliable. If Mohammed was really that concerned, why didn’t he allow his closest companions to clearly preserve his teachings in writing? The truth is, it’s more likely that the hadiths and sira were cooked up much later under the Abbasid regime, who had every reason to manipulate them for their own agenda.
Meanwhile, the Christian Gospels were written within the lifetime of eyewitnesses, not two centuries later when no one who actually knew Jesus was alive. The timing and political context of the Islamic sources make them highly questionable compared to the Gospels, which were far closer to the events they claim to describe.
So no, this “noble intention” theory doesn’t hold up. The gap of 200 years and the political influences are what really explain why Islamic sources are so late and dubious.
@@YeshuaAkbar7 .........................
So you removed your previous reply because you realized that you're contradicting yourself. Anyway, to make it clear to you, the main, primary, primordial, paramount objective of Prophet Muhammad pbuh is the preservation of the 'word' of Allah SWT. Hence, he disallowed the jotting down of his 'sayings' (Hadiths) by his scribes to avoid being mixed with the 'revelations' he received. For once this happens, it would make the veracity of the Qur'an questionable and unreliable. So he zeroed in on the jotting down by his scribes on the 'revelations'.
Needless to say, he has the foresight that if the 'revelations' and his 'sayings' are to be jotted down at the same time, his 'sayings' might be misconstrued later on as also 'revelations' from Allah SWT. Hence, the mixture of the 'revelations' and the 'sayings' is inevitable. Perhaps, this is a 'lesson-learned' he got from Prophet jESUs pbuh. Instead of the Gospel that was sent by Allah SWT that was being written by the followers of Prophet jESUs pbuh, it is his 'sayings' that were written down. Hence, the book from Allah SWT was lost into oblivion. -09-23-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 **the claim that the Qur’an has remained unchanged since its revelation is more a product of Islamic propaganda than historical reality**
1. Early Variants and Discrepancies: Historical evidence shows that different versions of the Qur’an existed in the early Islamic period. The very fact that Caliph Uthman had to standardize a single version and order all other copies to be burned is proof that multiple, conflicting versions of the Qur’an were circulating. If the Qur’an was perfectly preserved, why was there a need for Uthman’s drastic intervention?
2. Missing and Altered Verses: Early Islamic sources, like Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, admit that certain verses were lost or forgotten. For example, verses about stoning for adultery (rajm) and breastfeeding an adult to establish kinship (ridda’) are mentioned in hadiths but are nowhere to be found in the Qur’an today. Some companions of Mohammed, like Abdullah ibn Mas’ud, rejected certain chapters that are now part of the Qur’an, and he had his own version that differed from Uthman’s. This shatters the illusion of perfect preservation.
3. The Mushaf of Hafsa: After Uthman’s standardization, the original compilation of the Qur’an, kept by Mohammed’s wife Hafsa, was eventually destroyed under Caliph Marwan. If the Qur’an was truly preserved, why was the need felt to destroy this early manuscript? The fact that this version was not preserved indicates that the official Qur’an we have today could have been selectively curated, hiding variations that didn’t fit the narrative of “perfect preservation.”
4. Qira’at and Dialect Differences: The Qur’an exists in several accepted “readings” (qira’at), each with its own variations in pronunciation, word choice, and sometimes even meaning. These differences are not trivial; they affect the interpretation of key verses. If the Qur’an was perfectly preserved, there wouldn’t be a need for multiple readings. The Islamic tradition tries to spin this by claiming they’re all valid, but the existence of these differences contradicts the idea of a single, unchanged text.
5. The Sana’a Manuscripts: In the 1970s, ancient Qur’anic manuscripts were discovered in Yemen, known as the Sana’a manuscripts. These early texts show significant textual variations from the standard Qur’an, including differences in verse order, word choice, and even missing passages. These findings directly undermine the claim that the Qur’an has been perfectly preserved since Mohammed’s time.
6. Logical Inconsistency in the Narrative: If Allah intended to perfectly preserve his message, why was there so much human intervention needed in the early years, from Uthman’s standardization to the burning of alternate versions? The preservation claim doesn’t stand up when you consider that it took human decision-making, selective editing, and political authority to produce the version of the Qur’an we have today.
you cant base everything on silence because then everyone opinion is valid
In the case of early Islam, the silence is deafening. There is NOT ONE mention of the Islamic Muhammad, or the city called Mecca from the 7th century. Had either existed, SOMEONE in the Middle East would have noticed and mentioned the man or the town. In the 7th century, the societies of the Middle East were highly literate and kept careful records.
@@mysotiras21 ....................
Keep on dreaming. One day you'll wake up plunging into the abyss of darkness. -09-17-24
@@mysotiras21 .........................
Can you clarify to us if from what place the Muslims who spread Islam into different parts of the world came from? -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 , be specific. the first Muslim invaders obviously came from the Levant, where Islam first arose. Later invaders/conquerors came from the descendants of these Muslim colonialists.
o yeah! pop corn 🍿
Great!
I asked gpt "Ka in arabic' Then 'Aba in arabic". Ka then means alike according to gpt. Aba means garment (more specifically a CLOAK!). then asking if kabaa (since it is not a cube inside or out but has a garment) may have been a mistranslation, then it keeps saying cube, plays hide and seek. GPT doesn't know kufic-script and no known kufic versions of kaaba or ka'aba or ka aba found in any manuscript as of yet for GPT to stake its claim. I actually showed it a picture of the inside of the kaaba to show the inside is not a cube (as gpt actually said) the arabic word for cube is mukab (or mukaeab according to google-translate.) The inside of the kaaba in mecca is called mukab and is not a cube either. and most foto's clearly hide that fact.
Can I also ask for a copy of the powerpoint?
I believe Mohammed was more than likely a title for Umar, he would of been the praised one.
Umar would of been a Messiah figure for the Jews of Edessa who were kicked out by Heraclius in 614AD and whom according to Sebeos Chronicle of 660AD.. joined with the Mohammed in Tachkastan in Mesopotomia. Sebeos also talks about a place called Yathrib which is close to Baghdad and is now a military airfield.
Umar apparently conquered Jerusalem in 634AD... i think if we dig into the Lakhmids and Jewish Babylonians Exarchs in the 7th century around Harran, Al Hira and Kufa... we will get to the bottom with evidences.
"Islam" began as a Messenaic Jewish cult in modern day Iraq for sure.
Was this lecture done in 2024 or earlier?
This must be spread to the Muslim councils and imams so that there can no longer be any doubt as to the fallacy of this cult.
Wow wow wow 🎉😅
Dr. JAY,
With all the plagiarism (from the bible) that has been exposed in the Quran, I wonder if there is plagiarism in the Quran gathered from the Talmud? Particularly in reference to intercourse with very young girls. The age at which Aisha was abused and what is sanctioned in the Talmud seems rather similar (and disturbing). Love your videos!
Jay you said he died from being poisoned by one of his wives… is there some connection I missed or did you misspeak? I was under the impression that he died when I Jewish woman poisoned his dinner after Muhammad murdered her entire family.
Looks awfully familiar.
You got Imam Ali killed in Battle of Saffin? You got that wrong
It's normal for the first extant manuscripts to be 100 or 200 years after the date of composition. That's how the new testament works. If you have such manuscripts, you can be assured that the claimed dates of composition are real
**Timing Gaps Expose Weaknesses in Islamic Sources vs. Christian Gospels**
The Christian Gospels were written much closer to Jesus' time, while Islamic biographies and hadiths were compiled much later, primarily during the Abbasid period.
**Average Time Difference:**
- Gospels: About 70 years after Jesus' death.
- Islamic Biographies and Hadith: Around 150-200 years after Mohammed's death.
This results in an average time gap of approximately 80-130 years, with Islamic texts being compiled significantly later than the Christian Gospels.
The long delay between Mohammed’s life and the compilation of Islamic texts undermines their credibility, especially regarding eyewitness accounts. The Gospels were written closer to Jesus' life, making it more likely they were based on eyewitness testimony or reliable oral traditions. In contrast, Islamic sources were compiled 150-200 years after Mohammed’s death, suggesting they are based more on second-hand reports or hearsay rather than direct witnesses.
The Christian Gospels thus have a stronger case for containing elements of eyewitness or near-contemporary involvement.
@YeshuaAkbar7 ...........................
Have you not observed that the Biography of Prophet Muhammad pbuh is written in the separate book/s from the Qur'an?
Have you not observed that the Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad is written in separate book/s from the Qur'an?
Have you not observed that the Biography of Prophet Muhammad and his Hadiths are not being used to serve as the foundation of faith of the Muslims?
Then, have you not observed that the Biography of Prophet jESUs pbuh and his Hadiths are not being separated from the Bible? Rather, his Biography and his Hadiths served as the foundation of faith of Christianity?
Can you see now the Big Difference? -09-19-24
@@defenderoftruth3212
1. **Different Purposes**: The Qur’an and hadiths are separate because they serve different roles. The Qur’an is believed to be the direct word of God, while the hadiths are Mohammed’s teachings and actions. In Islam, they need to be kept separate to avoid confusion. Christianity mixes everything together in the Bible, which is why it’s structured differently.
2. **Hadiths Are Essential**: Saying that hadiths aren’t part of the foundation of Islam is flat-out wrong. Muslims rely on hadiths to understand how to follow the Qur’an in daily life. Things like prayer, fasting, and other practices come from hadiths. You can’t practice Islam fully without them.
3. **Intentional Separation**: Islam keeps the Qur’an separate from other writings to preserve its status as divine scripture. Christianity, on the other hand, combines Jesus’ life, teachings, and other writings all in one book because of their belief that they all serve as part of God’s message.
4. **Confused Comparison**: The person doesn’t understand that the Bible contains different types of writings-stories of Jesus, letters, and teachings-all mixed together. Islam deliberately organizes its texts differently for clarity.
In short, you’re making a sloppy comparison between two religions that function very differently. You’re comparing things that aren’t meant to be compared in the first place.
@@YeshuaAkbar7 ......................
I'm only answering to your meaningless comparison. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 If you think it’s meaningless, then you missed the point. The timing gap between events and the recording of those events is a key factor in historical reliability. The Gospels were written closer to Jesus’ time by firsthand witnesses or those who had access to them. In contrast, many Islamic sources, including hadith collections, were compiled long after Mohammed’s death, increasing the potential for distortions.
Your attempt to deflect by focusing on how texts are separated or organized doesn’t address the core issue: credibility based on historical proximity. Whether texts are combined or kept separate doesn’t change the fact that the reliability of a source diminishes the further it is removed from the actual events
@@YeshuaAkbar7 .....................
I don't know what made you say that the 4 make-believe gospels were written by the first-hand witnesses. Mark was the first to write a gospel (?) and he's not in any way connected to Prophet jESUs pbuh. Then a chain-reaction of plagiarism occurred. Matthew copied the work of Mark, although he made some additions and distortions. Then Luke did the same as what Matthew did. He plagiarized Mark's and Matthew's works. Also, he made some additions and distortions. And lastly John. John wrote his work a little late, maybe around 75 to 85 years from Mark. And mind you, these 4 writers spoke Greek. They did not speak Aramaic which is totally impossible to be among the disciples of Prophet jESUs pbuh. -09-23-24
This does not make sense, Islam was formed by 661 but the character called mohammed who recieved these scriptures was not there to over see it, to read the texts, edit them and ensure it is accuracy, so therefore is all wrong! Currupted, Not eternal and not perfectly preserved, not the word of Alan.
@springheeledjack9652 ...................
Ignorance is the name of your game. Prophet Muhammad pbuh was the one who compiled the Qur'an, arranged the verses and Surahs. After that, Angel Jibreel reviewed what he did. And so the final arrangement of the Qur'an is what as it is in the book we have today. -09-22-24
Aidan Stream
This is such an excellent presentation! Islam totally debunked by timelines!
Chrislam the one world religion, by Pope, and UAE adopted by the UN General Assembly in resolution A/RES/75/200 of December 21, 2020, and the Makkah Declaration adopted in Mecca in May 2019
Declaration of Alma-Ata International Conference on Primary Health Care, Alma-Ata, USSR, 6-12 September 1978 Kazakhstan
There was another "prophet" , who claimed to be
"The seal of the prophets",
the Paraclete announced by the Messiah - his name is MANI, born 527 AD.... In his book "Shaburkan".
ALBIRUNI wrote about him in his Chronology of ancient nations Page 207 [190 reprint]
WRONG. The Paraclete is the Holy Spirit.
@@mysotiras21 this is the quote from the book I mentioned‼️
@@ingoschneuing1073 , understood, but the author was wrong.
You need to rethink your argument. Without the Bible and Historical Jesus, true christians still have the Holy Ghost. Also Jesus has appeared since the bible and he has records in addition to the bible. He testified that He had other sheep that needed to hear His voice. Do you not believe Him? The true Church of Jesus Christ is more resilient than the Bible. It is better to know the author than the book.
I think Abdul Malik isn't a christian. If he were he wouldn't compiled new 'gospels' and just use the existing gospel as a source for his unitarian concept. I think he does that to mock and make fun of the the people of the bible, book. From all of that, i think abdul malik is a very crazy person.
Dr Smith and fellow Crusaders ... you may think being polemics is just on the offence towards i-slam ... but another superpower wants to replace USA, so be extremely careful for what info shared to the world ... chinese always wanted to be the master of the universe if not multiverses ... LOL ...
Bible “ Jeremiah 8 8 scribes falsified the Bible with their lying pens “ if you believe Bible inerrant word of god you must leave it asap Muslim 2002
OMG
Islam was holyshit for sure, so the Christianity 😂
This is good work. However, like apologist David Wood, the speaker Dr Jay doesn’t under stand that similar arguments apply to Christianity as well. In this video, he makes false claims about Christianity . No, the New Testament was not written by “eyewitnesses.”. No, the Gospels were NOT written by Mathew, Mark, Luke, and John.
All the Abrahamic religions are based on myths and lies.
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Ok but who have better universal principles they win the race.
Basically the material used to silence the opponents
And thats how quran is destroyed.
Actually Jay, Christianity did not start from a Bible, it started from a tradition. A collection of Apostels, witnesses and believers. They established a Church from India to Spain, to Ethiopia, To Ireland. Only later the scriptures that served a role in services were collected in a library we call The Bible. Christianity is not Sola Scriptura that idea at it's core is an Islamic Idea... 😂😂😂
I think the Sola Scriptura concept is just really saying don't go off and invent stuff, on a tangent. Like the Quran teaches that Jesus was born in the wilderness, and cried I am a slave of Allah as a baby .. which however has deviated far from the original text, the Messiah was born in Bethlehem and had to be, and was not speaking as an adult in babyhood, with things the like of which He never says in the gospels. If we see Mary in the Bible for instance, she certainly had a very honourable role, but then one sees in the gospels that she isn't perfect, and she herself waits for the coming of the Holy Spirit, Christ is her redeemer. So that would make later glorifications of her, out of place, and unreal. That drift is not a good idea, although drift on the big issues is what is really bad, so for example, Surah 4.157 negates the possibility of salvation [for those who accept its claim], by denying a critical part.
@@collybever Sola Scriptura is Heresy, Jesus didn't leave a book, he left a tradition. If you understand how Catholic/Orthodox liturgy works it all falls into place. If not, you follow your own head canon and you will be your own Pope.
Its amazing that you call every religion by its name but the Church of Jesus Christ. Why be dishonest? You are better than that.
It is damaging to this presentation, even ridiculous, to claim that 4 gospels are written by eye witnesses. Like when reading AT THE SAME TIME days around Passover, and resurrection, the contradictions are far too numerous to harmonize. Markus and Lukas have wholly different Jesuses: a man and a "victorious powerful angel".
But... islam is a far worse house of cards. Lies. Not even Mecca existed then. 😆
(And this German Sira: is the claim that muslims never had a Sira book, compilation, before this German?😮)
@mattilatvala4164 ................
This German writer plagiarized the works of the Arab writers and have it copyrighted to himself. This is an act of professional thievery. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 I have been in impression that he made a compilation of Hisham -attributed siras he found. Not wrote his own!
I am interested whether or NOT muslims could buy☝️ such a book BEFORE his compilation. Yes or no???
If, IF, NOT, one of islam central texts did NOT in PRACTICE (USE) exist before him.🤔
Yazidi is final ancient Islam
you talk about yesides/kurds ?
lol a bunch of bs
Get better approaches: 1. Understand the truth by facts; 2. Find the holiness by motives; 3. Gain the perfect by actors
The facts are these. 1) The traditional history of Islam is in direct conflict with the written history and archeology of every other kingdom and country, including Egypt, Greece, Rome, and the Chinese. 2) If you want to go to heaven, you have to know the real way, not the dead end roads created by Satan. 3) There's only perfection in God. All the contradictions to Islamic traditional history in modern archeology, the delusional Islamic literature, and the pagan idolatry in Islam are imperfections. The Satanic verses, worshipping the black stone, and Al Jinn, ancient pagan gods of the Arabians, plus Allah's 3 daughters names are still in the Quran. Those are the names of the daughters of the moon god, which imports Hermes Trismegistus. Islam admits to being a gnostic, political system of laws, hardly a religion. It's not the way to heaven. Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and none come to the Father but through me." If you don't want to go to hell, repent and put your trust in Jesus.
Huh?
@@valerieprice1745Bless your heart Val. As much as I hate the deception that is Islam (&rightly so), it kills me to know that a huge population of the world hold fast to this obviously, provably false ideology, including people I know personally. It's also unbelievable to hear people identifying the Islamic Allah as the Biblical God.
@@oluwafemisamuel-ajayi ..........................
Islamic Allah SWT Is different from the Biblical god. Allah SWT is only One, while the Biblical god(s) is/are composed of three persons which cannot be fused together. -09-22-24
@@defenderoftruth3212 Yeah, your Tawhid is it? The thing is you believe you ought to perfectly comprehend God's nature with your inadequate human intellect/mind. The trinity isn't three gods friend, it's One God, Three Divine Persons. It's how the Biblical God revealed Himself in the scriptures. It is not a human concept. It blows the human mind but it isn't illogical. But you also believe in divine revelation don't you? Except the one you call Allah does not even understand who the supposedly erroneous Christian God is. Allah thinks Christians worship God, Mary and Jesus as a trinity of gods in the Koran, amongst many other misunderstanding and misinformation errors you wouldn't expect from a Tahwidic Almighty being.
Friend, Islam is a fabrication of a single wicked demon possessed Arab man in the 7th century. There is no life in it, only eternal death because it doesn't understand nor solve the problem of sin. There is only one atonement for you. God Himself preoared it and offer it to you free of Charge in His Only Begotten God-Man Son Jesus Christ.
He said; "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except through me." Christ pointed to no one else, neither does he validate any man. He is the only God who saves!