The Truth About "Chet vs. Wembanyama"
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- čas přidán 24. 01. 2024
- Victor Wembanyama and Chet Holmgren's most recent duel perfectly describes this year's NBA ROTY race, but who's case is better?
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Ironically, very funny that one of the talking points in the video was how toxic the debate is and how both sides are incapable of giving the other credit…
Then this comment section is filled with “Chet’s a role player on a good team, carried by SGA” vs. “Wemby’s an inefficient loser!”
Let’s appreciate both guys. 🙏🏻
Sports casuals. They're both incredible.
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@@notrbhI’m trying to refrain from replying to the comments but people actually want me to provide one-sided coverage like EVERY SINGLE national media outlet. 😂
Yeah, it's neither of those extremes.
Chet definitely is *more* of a role player than Wemby -- not just because of the situation either -- but in the way Bill Russell was a role player. (Which is to say he's not actually a role player.) Chet just does the right thing every time. He defends, he's a good passer, he can shoot, he doesn't force shots. He's just a really really good basketball player and the ideal #2 next to any superstar guard.
He strikes me as the kind of guy who's true value is only unlocked playing with other great players. He's a ceiling raiser more than a floor raiser.
Wemby is more like Wilt. But if Wilt had carried more about winning instead of personal glory. Or like LeBron. Or Giannis. His physical gifts are so preposterous that he's inevitable. It's just a matter of how he and his coaches want to use them. He could be Wilt, Hakeem, David Robinson, Garnett, Dirk or all of them combined.
This was an incredible comment, very well said and much appreciated!@@michaelahurt
Double and triple teaming a rookie is crazy. AND STILL, Wemby got 24/12/4 in 27 minutes shooting 50% from the field... Not to mention 5 stocks on the other end. Idc who you have as ROTY. Thats a crazy performance from a rookie.
He's the real deal. All the hype was true, and we get to witness the beginning!
That's why I don't understand the debate tbh...
Facts 😂😂😂 double and triple teaming a guy who turned 20 3 weeks ago is NUTZ!!!
Since moving to center wemby averaging 25/10/3/3 in 25 mins. Now seeing double and triple teams. Spurs better build around him now
Meanwhile... Chet can hit an open jumper and grab 7 boards a game at 7"1.
Powerful stuff.
You forgot to mention that Wemby played less minutes than Chet.
IMO the ROTY Award answers: Based on their game, which rookie would you choose to start your franchise with. If OKC could draft either, I think they, along with every other GM would pick Wemby. That’s why I pick him for ROTY
Totally fair assessment!
The ceiling either can reach should be consider to answer your question right ? The current level of play shouldn't be the only thing considered for ROTY ? I think if we swap "to start your franchise with" with "for a one year contract" we got the perfect question. And I would pick Wemby. Not quite sure tho...
@@arthurpeli9050 So you want people to guess where and how they will peak for the roty? your award pick shouldnt be based off a guess for the future lmao its "rookie of the year" its in the name lmao
I honestly think wemby would be a bad fit for okc now and in the future chet provides way better spacing and knows his role chets efficiency is a big role in the thunder's success granted they would both be doin the same shi on the defensive end though
@@queefinatorgaming7604Chet sucks dude, go cry about it
Not enough people talk about how Wemby, despite being a rookie, seems to have an extremely high basketball IQ at this level. He's arguably a top 5 defender already but its not just height/wingspan that got him there. He constantly makes the correct defensive read and has great timing that actually gives so much value to him as a rim protector rather than just jumping and hoping he gets a hand on the ball. Lots of people talk about his future offensive ceiling but I think his defensive ceiling is more interesting, since he's only going to get smarter and stronger.
100% agree, he's the type of generational defensive talent that this new era of offensive basketball has been building towards. Height and length to cover the entire court, mobility and flexibility to execute different coverages.
Last time we saw a big man dominate from the start was with Joel Embiid and he ended up being a multiple time scoring title holder and league MVP. Looking forward to see how great he can become 5-10 years as long as he stays healthy
Top 5 defender ? Wtf is you yapping about? Don’t get me wrong Wemby is the clear ROY, but Chet literally plays better than him defensively. Wemby’s perimeter D is meh, I feel like he only wants to defend when he knows he can block it. Averaging 3 blocks is easy when you’re a feet taller than the average nba player, and blocks don’t make someone a great defender automatically. He needs to learn how to follow his guy more. I can name at least 15 better overall defenders than him.
@@bigraccoon2110u keep yapping, Chet is nowhere near Wemby 😂😂😂
If only he had enough IQ to stop taking so many 3s. He sucks at them and he’s just wasting possessions with all his bricks
Wemby has one key attribute that all great players have. He steps up when challenged by superstars. Everything about Wemby and his game screams future superstar. The eye test just doesn't give me the same vibe on Chet. He's good, but won't be a superstar. For me, it's an easy choice, Wemby is simply a better player. Take away the double and triple teams and Wemby would have been over 30.
I definitely agree with your first point! He's gone toe-to-toe with Giannis, AD, Jokic, KD, etc. That's what young superstars do, he's the real deal.
Chet seems to have brittle ankles. Multiple times I’ve seen him on defense and a move from a defender has him having to put a hand down because his ankles weren’t able to support him responding at all without falling.
Wemby is fs better
Chet will have multiple all star appearances and all NBA teams by virtue of being a main contributor on a top team, Wemby will be an MVP candidate by year three barring injuries and has a near limitless ceiling.
@@kanelin6294he will be trying to make the play in by year 3. Year 6 is more reasonable.
ill take the guy who takes it to every top player hes faced.
Totally fair!
Boy hunted weak ahh Chet down 😈
Both great players that would still thrive if they swapped teams
bro puts on a show against every center
Given the context of their teams, Chet is doing what is expected (at a very high level) but does not go beyond expectation. While Wemby is very often doing things with an extra touch than what is expected
-- Prediction: Chet will be a 25ppg. Wemby? 32ppg
i think chet tops out at 20 ppg@@jlui21
I thought the spurs would make the playoffs fr.
@@moonmullen9992 not with those players no way
@@moonmullen9992 these spurs could have prime jordan and not even think about sniffing the playoffs. one of the worst rosters I've ever seen
For me the question is "If Chet is swapped out for Wemby, do the OKC get better?" And the answer is "Yes", so I take team wemby. Chet is still a great player.
Fair way to look at it!
And Chet won't miraculously save the Spurs and I doubt he'd have the same numbers with limited minutes and being the primary focus of opposing defenses. In OKC, teams can't afford to double Chet or help off of the perimeter. He has a legitimate MVP frontrunner leading his team and excellent teammates. In San Antonio, Wemby is on an island. The next best offensive player is Devin Vassel who isn't even close to all-star level. No one on the Spurs can pass aside from Tre Jones who can only pass and can't shoot. Sochan was their primary ball handler for most of the season and he is a power forward who has poor court vision. Getting the ball to Wemby has proven to be a tough task for the Spurs. Despite all that, Wemby made it work on the few chances he got. But it's tough because every time he gets the ball in the post, he is doubled or triple teamed. I doubt Chet would be able to do the same.
I disagree. Wemby is the clear ROY, but their style is different. Chet is the perfect 2nd player on a team and he adapted to that role perfectly in half a season. It’s no wonder why okc is way better than last year. Wemby is better, but in the okc system, having already a lot of great shooters and ball handlers, he would be too much. His efficiency is mid while shooting A LOT, and can’t carry his team to 10 wins in 50 games. Chet shoots when he knows he can get the bucket and plays kinda smarter overall, he doesn’t need the ball to have the impact of an all star. He doesn’t shoot for no reason. Chet with spurs would be worse than wemby with spurs, but wemby with okc would be worse than Chet with okc. All depends onto the surrounding team and players.
@@bigraccoon2110 there is no way okc would be worth with wemby than with chet , the impact of wemby on okc defense would be unfair for the rest of the league, on offensive side evertyhing would be easier and wemby is already a better 1 vs 1 player
Not true, if wemby played with Shai whos shooting great, wemby would get criticism for his horrible shot selection.
Lemme be honest:
Chet deserves the hype he gets. To be an important cog in the wheel as a rookie is impressive. Then you see it is impactful.
But
Victor Wembanyama is the real deal. He has that it factor as a player. He really does show that fire. Then you add his totals. Then you add the fact he is the best player & the most capable. THEN you add his performances against the NBA’s best bigs. THEN THEN THEN you see impact late in games.
Victor is the ROTY hands down. Plus, Chet had a redshirt year
Completely agree
Chet had a year to learn the system, work on his game, his shooting, etc. Chet is 2 years older also! People forget that Chet was ready to play at the end of last season but okc hold him back for this race
@@IlluminatiGaming1981already said what I was thinking PLUS Chet gets to know his role on the offense. We still don’t know if Wembys role is going to be with a playmaking PG or primary scorer that can create or if he’s going to be the main creator on offense.
1 year or NBA coaching and film and knowledge of your system is invaluable IMO
So basically, it’s Wemby vs the whole OKC Thunder? So tired of seeing Wemby play with a bunch of G-Leaguers and role players that won’t even start in a contending team.
It’s good he’s seeing these coverages rn, hopefully he gets better and better. If he can get that playmaking up, despite him not being a good shooter, he would be a nightmare in the pick n roll, as well in the post
You don’t even watch the spurs 🤣 oh, so you’re a casual who just uses media bait for your opinions 🤣
@@keely-lornekirby7370 huh?
@@Immaculatecap Wemby is a pretty good midrange-shooter, and his 3P% has been getting better ever since he moved to the 5 and he’s shooting less 3s. Honestly, it’s really just shot selection when it comes to his shooting. Once his game matures, his shot selection will also improve more.
Man the fact that wemby can pull so much shit off while being in a garbage team says it all
Word 🙏🏼
Unfortunately he has to pretty much do everything in order for them to even have a chance
@@bigbangbasketball this team is not about chances right now, its about building up Wemby and trade assets
If wembly gets a legit all time great point guard, Wembly might get 100 pts in a game. That point guard would have to get around 20 assist just to wembly.
its like 84-85 all over again except the guy is 7' 4" not 6' 6"
Wemby could have gotten a triple-double in this game if only his teammates weren’t bricking all his assists.
Absolutely he loose 2-3 assists per game.
Both are great players being in Wemby's postion last night sucked it was at the point where they couldn't produce any good looks without him on the floor then Pop would just pull him 4 minutes into the quarter than insert him back in at the 3 minute mark so he couldn't get on a consistent rythym and he needs to be surronded by shooters having Tre Jones starting has really impacted the team because it takes a lot of the pressure off of Victor to try and shotcreate, Chet is just in a overall better position I hope voters don't play record into their ROTY votes cuz its honestly unfair to Wemby.
100% agreed, Spurs have nothing going right and Wemby has to just scrape everything together, whereas Chet's more of a "seamless plug" to an already working system.
My guy… You could’ve put a period somewhere!
No one reading this in one breathe😂😂
I think SA is not pushing for RotY Wemby, but more on his development. They are putting Wemby in difficult situations so he would know how to adapt to it. By year 3, I think there woud be a significant improvement, maybe earlier depending on drafted players.
Who else can give you "wow" after "wow" and "wow", besides Victor? When Chet met Victor, just like other players met Jordon, born not at the right time.
Man, that's the single most brilliant video I've seen about this ROTY bs, love your play to play analysis
I'm glad you enjoyed!
I see Victor as a KD mean while Chet as a Tingus Pingus. Victor really has sky as the limit from Iso game to shot creating to cleaning the boards to forcing fouls to post game and will be super elite defensively. I see chet as being an elite pick and popper and having extremely good interior defense.
I don't know why people keep comparing Victor to KD. Victor does not have the shooting of KD. He can make them, sure but to be honest, he's been more effective attacking the rim and taking wide open jumpers if given to him. The way defenses play him, whenever he gets the ball, he is doubled and the paint is packed because no other Spur is a threat. He's been playing more like Giannis than KD.
@@deansedrickcarlos7416 because of what he wants to do. I'm speaking of the potential that he has and what he naturally likes to do. He likes the iso he likes to shot create he likes to shoot that three off of the screen he likes to shoot the mid-range pull up these are his tendencies that he likes to do. And seeing that this is his rookie level he can only go up from here. And do the things that I see that he likes to do I can see him being a KD
@@deansedrickcarlos7416just cause he has similar frame and guard skill potential and ball handling.
@@deansedrickcarlos7416Fr Chet is way more of a KD type player than wemby. Wemby is more of a 7,6 glitched 2k slasher
🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭 wtf is a tingus pingus? All I know is Chet is legitimately bad
I adore both players, Chet and Wemby, and I think both are going to have great careers, Chet is efficient because all eyes are not on him, he doesnt have to guard multiple positions, does not have same pressure as Wemby, and also factor in fatigue when you do a lot in the court, however above all this Wemby did not suck at becoming the main man, its just that he does not really have help, if Wemby is in OKCthey would be unbeatable.
The fact that teams who play against the spurs have an offensive gameplan to avoid wemby and a defensive gameplan to stop him by tripple teaming his ass, makes me forget that this is litarly his rookie season, kid gonna be insane
Great video... I love Vassel and Sochan, but they really let wemby down in this game... And he still performed amazingly
Glad you enjoyed!
Wembanyama is doing more in less time with a harder role to fulfill. There is no debate, he IS better than Chet, has BEEN better than Chet before entering the league, and will BE better than Chet for their entire careers.
Realistically, Chet might just end up being a role player his whole career. He doesn't have the competitive spirit to want to grow as a player, as demonstrated by his stats going down and efficiency also dropping since the start of the season, even though he was placed into a role that perfectly optimizes his chances to succeed and thrive on the court.
Wembanyama came into the league with expectations to be the best player on his team, and the best rookie of the recent years. Yet he has not once disappointed in terms of living up to those expectations, and continues to grow and thrive in difficult matchups even with a minutes restriction.
This!👆🏼💯💯💯
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Just something of note-Wemby is shooting around 36% from 3 over the last 20+ games, so he's improved pretty quickly. the 29% is up from 26%.
Also, Sochan is shooting about 38% from 3, so, while it's not an easy Wemby layup, him shooting a wide open 3 isn't tanking the offense.
Sochan 2pts in 24minutes... :x Switch Shai and Sochan, Spurs are winning lol
Jesus 29 percent is a godawful shooting percentage from 3. May as well not even guard him
Love the breakdown. These 2 are something else for sure. Thanks for the vid
This has to be the best breakdown of the ROTY race I have seen. Nicely done!
Thank you!
i Love the clips you chose for your analysis, other channels just copy and paste the popular dunks etc.. where most of the times there is nothing to learn from. When you chose the ones that end up in "just" a foul but are way more telling of how the game went. keep up the nice videos :)
Really glad you enjoyed, thanks for watching!
This was a great breakdown, loved the vid.
Love your stuff...well organized video, perfectly thought out and presented! You are a top tier content creator and thank you for what you do!
I would bet the farm on this won't age well... as they will have vastly different careers and outcomes. This is like comparing a high school track star to Usain Bolt, and saying they both have merit because the race has just begun. Wemby is doing things that will refine greatness in this league and we are seeing small glimpses of it, Chet is good, and is everything his team asked and coached him to be and more, starting a year ago (cough cough not a rookie)
Wemby is rookie of the year by ALONG LONG way. And Chet, barring something horrible, (knock on wood), will be a team leader and assets to any team he on, as either a #1 or #2 option most of his career. That's amazing and top notch, but its not legend in the making. Wemby is legend in the making.
Well I think it's worth noting that this isn't about potential! All I'm covering here is their first 40-or-so games. If we took the future into account, I don't think anyone would deny Wemby's ceiling is much much higher.
@@HoopVenue extremely valid point and you are 100% correct. But what also is not being talked about is the fact that ROTY has never been a TEAM award, or about how the team is doing. Stat wise Victor is well ahead and pulling father ahead every week. And how the best players in the league are reacting and treating Wemby says more than enough.
I mentioned it early, but the easiest way to clear this up is, if you are leaning toward Chet at ROTY, put Wemby in his place. Give Victor a year with his team getting to learn from the best coaches and train and learn from the best. Put him on OKC with that team. He does better and OKC goes farther. End of any debate. IF not to say, Chet's not even a rookie.
Also can we talk about how Wemby guarded Chet the entire game while Chet was ducking/hiding on Sochan?
Chet was guarding Wemby for the first 2 quarters! OKC made that adjustment later on.
You didn’t watch the game did you
@@HoopVenueyeah because he couldn’t guard him, good coaching realising that
Let’s consider who won the game. That was the scheme. The winning scheme won. This wasn’t an exhibition, it was a team that is in the lead in the west vs a team that will be in Cancun very soon. Relax
@@HoopVenueyou just another Chet Stan with very little bb iq
I think something that a lot of people are missing in the Chet vs Wemby ROTY debate, is how incredible both these seasons are.
Wemby is on track for one of the highest stocks totals in the last 20 years. Not just by a rookie - by any player.
Chet may well finish the year flirting with 55/40/80 shooting splits whilst being in the top 10 for shots blocked.
It's mind-blowing that rookies are putting up these numbers
100%, and I hate how every debate is a "one or the other"
I've already had 5+ comments basically insinuating that Chet isn't impressive because his team is good. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that BOTH are amazing?
Well said. These two are just plain fun to watch and they’re just getting started. Who is better than the other doesn’t even make much sense.
I agree both are amazing. But it's a ROTY debate, a little like in politics.
Not surprising that a fan of X want to undermine the value of Y. And a fan of Y will do the same for X.
This was a great unbiased video. One thing I would mention about Wemby being the guy and ask to do more. That has recently started to happen. The 1st 24 games of the year was weird.
Seemed like players did not like the Wemby hype, were not throwing him the ball. Pop was trying to avoid Wemby being the guy. Did not run plays for him or did he even make adjustments to get him involved. His teammates either just did not attempt to throw him the ball or could not get him accurate entry pass.
You have seen all the Change in the last 10 games or so ago. Don’t forget his minute restriction. Chet usage rate was higher than Wemby. But in-spite of all this Wemby was still out performing Chet and it was not because Wemby was being asked to be the guy, taking more shots, being the focus point of the offense. He just maximized his chances and often times had to force it. Hence his splits the first 24 games vs the last 15 games.
All in all. My unbiased opinion on Chet is he is playing really well better than most rookies in his position. Wemby is just on another level right now if he just stays consistent through February. He would have put up number we have not seen since Shaq rookie year
Waited all day for this 😮💨
You knew it was coming!
Right now, Pop has Wemby training with waited clothes in the hyperbolic time chamber. I can't wait to see what Wemby looks like with some help.
Wemby carries his team. I always say the following: imagine OKC had Wemby, where you think OKC could go this year in the playoffs?
Instant championships contender.
Chet is great, amazing even.
But between great players, and superstars potentials, there is always a small extra thing people can't explain, and wemby definitely has it.
Just look at the numbers he pulls im big nights against big players.
That’s a totally fair stance!
Getting doubled and tripled is crazy. They covering him like hes prime Kobe. No way a rookie should be getting coverage like that.
Lmao like I understand ball handlers getting doubles, but he’s a 7’4 20 year old who isn’t even developed offensively getting coverages like he’s 30 ppg😂😂shows the respect teams and players have for him
@@Immaculatecap I think it goes to show, that of course hes a very good player, but it shows how bad his teammates are. Teams are willing to leave 2 people wide open and not fear them hitting a shot, that's an issue
@@eddydesir7702 that too, but I kind of want wemby to see these coverages this early so his IQ and playmaking can increase. Too many bigs don’t value playmaking enough and wemby at 20 is showing flashes a lot of bigs didn’t have.
Exactly Wemby is not even efficent. How many defenders will be on him if he was a 30 PPG scorer and was efficent from the field. It looks like everytime he catches the ball every player on the opposing team is looking at him and noone else.
@@Fawnswine he is efficient. Hes shooting 47% from the field. And he is a 55.7% true shooter.
This has been one of the beat breakdowns I've seen of this game/ROY debate. Wemby is plaging well with a limited roster and Chet it taking advantage of the opportunities he gets with both being great on defense. Hopefully the Spurs can become competitive soon so theyre easier to compare
Glad you enjoyed, and totally agree! Wemby's ready to win, Spurs gotta put a squad around him.
I think both of them are gonna be all time greats, the new generation of basketball is here 🙏🏻
Nice breakdown and engagement strategy at the end.
ITS NOT ENGAGEMENT STRAT IT IS STUPIDITY
This is the arguement to close this debate. If wemby and chet switch teams, wemby will make the okc unfair, unlike now.
That's hypothetical though, we don't KNOW that they'd be unfair, it's all subjective.
@@HoopVenue you just said on your video, wemby carries the whole spurs defense. Imagine adding top defensive player like wemby on that team. They will be finals bound already.
Well the problem is that he carries them from the worst defense of all-time to a "still bad defense"
It's not an apples to apples comparison. I definitely think Wemby's a better defender right now, and you MIGHT be right, but my only point is that it's not actually possible to answer the question because the situation doesn't exist.
Either way, appreciate the comment and discussion!
@@HoopVenueu can’t leave wemby open at all bro
Of course not, but he’s also very clearly a worse outside shooter than Chet, and that spacing at the five is a huge key in making OKC’s offense work.
This video encapsulates how Chet thrives as the third or fourth option in his team because he has SGA, JDub, and Giddey playing beside him. He gets more open looks because those other three player takes away the defensive focus from him. Also, it helps that he has a MVP-caliber PG in Shai, and also an All-Star in-the-making with JDub who can find him in the right spots and set plays for him. Meanwhile, Wemby is playing without a PG or in this case, he’s the PG and he has to create most of his shots. All his shots are contested. No easy looks because the defensive focus is all on him as the first option. Opponents gameplan with him in mind, and all throughout the season, he’s always been double or triple-teamed everytime he touches the ball. Another thing about him is that the Spurs are also keeping him on a leash with that minute restriction that started since December. But Wemby still manages to produce even more with lesser playing time.
He’s the 2nd or 3rd option. Josh Giddey is averaging
@@kohltonclark22 I’d still put JDub over Chet because of production.
These guys are my most favorite players right now. I really can’t get enough of there basketball games. They each are getting better with every game. Really fun players to watch! Sure you can say negative things about them, but remember they’re both rookies who are 21 and 20 respectively, and will only continue to improve, which is scary for the rest of the league!
So glad there's someone else who appreciates both! 2 incredible talents at the same position, around the same age, in the same conference. We haven't seen this in decades!
@@HoopVenue The future of the NBA is in good hands!
Lets be honest wemby is the reason the spurs are getting this attention and the Media is loving him. If you see a thumbnail with wemby on it your going to click on it. Beside all of thaf the kid is a great and fun player to watch and a amazing talent. Chet is a great player too but no wemby
Any team gets attention because of their star players 💀
The next 10 years of basketball are gonna be pure fun with these new guys coming through
it should not be possible, as an objective viewer, to watch both of these dudes play and form the opinion that chet is better at the game of basketball than wemby. he's an exceptional player with a bright career ahead of him but victor is looking like every bit of the generational talent he was supposed to be
Everyone has a different set of values, I think it’s possible because everyone’s entitled to their own viewpoint! Whether we agree or not.
Common man that’s a cop out. I also need to pick
Wemby is the clear ROTY
Wemby can guard Chet and score on him
Chet can't do the same on Wemby
You can’t be efficient when you don’t have anyone who can consistently get you easy shots and facing double/triple teams on every possession.
The question is if you switched players and teams, who do you think would have the bigger impact?
Imagine when wemby gets the help he needs literal championship contender kind of player
Facts!!
I really like Chet. He seems to have the tools and the hoops IQ to be a generational Talent at the 5. A real stretch 5 with good defensive instincts and some Chutzpe. He also seems to understand his role and being a superstar at that role. Speaks to his general intelligence and character. But when you imagine Victor in that role on that team, the debate should be over. It's not even that close. Wembanyama has only one goal on this abysmal Spurs roster and that's learning/playing while staying healthy. And a character test of how to stay optimistic and positive while loosing all the time for no reason. He is the ROY and it isn't close. Just sad the Spurs suck.
Both are great players with greats stats. But Chet can go "easy" because he is at the moment a role player, while other are the go to guys for OKC. Wemby on the other hand. He leads the spurs in the offense and the defense. He is there main option. And he is doing this on a time restriction.
At the end of the video, you literally describe a superstar on a bad team, and then describe a role player and said, which one would we rather have?😂😂😂😂😂 fyi a superstar on a bad team is called the rookie of the year
Well some people don’t respect stars on bad team. Usually the talking points are empty stats, put him on a bad team he’ll average 40. But some people don’t like players who have help because buckets are suppose to be easier for you. That’s why he asked who’ll you prefer.
@@Immaculatecap I understand that in every argument accept the rookie of the year
@@SweetjamesjonesII I agree!
That's EXACTLY that! Wemby have to do everything. Only die hard Spurs Fans can't see how much his teamates sucks!
Devin Vassel? looks Just like a role player average at shooting and defending, bad at passing IQ
Sochan? undersize 4 with really bad decision making sometimes, and not a good shooter, average defender but undersize so...
Tre Jones ? the PG (injuried didn't play this game) any other team in the league he would be a bench PG, 2nd or 3rd option. Not a starter with an abyssal 3pt shooting.
Keldon Johnson, errrrk 1 time he's not bad (still sucks in D) 9 times he's just bad.
Zach Collins? an overpaid Mo Wagner just a cone in D, probably worst than any center in the league at rebounding and just average shooter/pass
And all the other ones looks like G-League roster, nothing more.
Ouch!!
How do you really feel?
Put some respect on Vassell's name!
@@HoopVenue I'm harsh that's true, due to disapointment.
But still he's supposed to be the 2nd in the team, but his game and stat rarely shows it.... ever.
He lost some efficiency at 3pts (36.3% which is ... average), he's not that efficient at FG (46.4%) same low number of assist (because of his low pass IQ)
And he is rarely efficient in D
It's not how a supposed star should look like => role player.
But for the 3pt efficiency, it might be Wemby's fault too. He (Wemby) rarely do efficient hard screen, so Vassel can't count on any easy 3 that way.
SEE. IT ONLY MEANS CHET IS FACING TRASH OPPONENTS BUT CANNOT FACE WEMBY. WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND WEMBY BODYBAG CHET AND DOESNT AFRAID OF ANYONE. SO WHO WINS?
both are amazing players, they make for quite the rivalry, especially it being that they're both over 7 feet tall
Facts, been a while since we've had a rivalry between elite centers in the same conference. Shaq/DRob is the last one I can think of, unless I'm missing one.
It would actually be really cool to see these guys working together in a competitive game, get them in the rookie game on the same team and actually have the teams play.
I like that wemby and chet has a rivalry already as a rookie and a senior. Remind me of the bird and magic days.
Facts!!
Get Wemby off the floor and suddenly its like watching a team play that is worse than the current Pistons, a Rookie carrying a team whenever he is on the floor is crazy
The fact that he’s able to look so good within that environment is ridiculous!
both are great !!
Facts!
Wemby drawing triple teams as a rookie, like he's prime Shaq? How is the ROTY debate even still a thing?
I think a very important fact isn’t addressed… Chet isn’t in his first year! While Chet does what he’s is expected from him at an extremely high level the only metric he has over Wemby is his efficiency. And that lack of efficiency in Wemby is really entirely down to him being TRIPLE teamed and not having a point guard to get him open looks. If you take away everyone else and put these two on the same team Wemby is a proven monster one man army and Chet an efficient unicorn two way player. To me it’s really down to which Rookie is the one you’d draft first in a redraft after the season… and I’m taking Wemby 10 times out of 10! 🤷♂️
It’s true that Chet *technically* isn’t in his first year, but for the purposes of ROTY he still qualifies so we still have to treat his as a rookie when talking about the award.
@@HoopVenueYeah I know I’m just don’t agree that it’s entirely the same… training with NBA teammates is also a big advantage already even if he doesn’t play games
Wtf!! Wemby sees nightly double and triple teams and is still productive but we call his work "counting stats" vs Chet playing with an MVP caliber guy and has never seen so much as hard show on a pick and roll or drive....
Man I'm gone!!
You were expecting me to do the “I only appreciate one and the other sucks!” stance but that’s not what I do.
I can acknowledge and appreciate both, if that’s too much then gone you are. 🤷♂️
imagine switching their position, put wemby on okc and chet on the spurs, I'm pretty sure wemby's performance is the same or even better, but do think chet will have the same performance with the spurs
if chet was being double and tripled his efficiency would tank like crazy
Chet would probably average close to 20 maybe 19 on maybe 40% from the field while Wemby may put up the same numbers as Chet is right now due to him being a lesser role and less focus
@@donleonard4446 doubt it
@@mordakie3805you can doubt but if you think Wemby is getting the ball more than Shai your delusional
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I think both are great, with Wembanyama having more responsibility in a worst team, but at the same time with even more potential. Both amazing players with an amazing rookie year so far. Enjoying following both Chet and Wemby's runs.
Wemby has also been consistently getting 20 with 50 percent shooting every game
Getting better and better, since he’s a finisher when he gets more spacing and better playmaker threats it’ll go up 100%
Ill say one thing you showed more than one frame where ALL five defenders are facing wemby but we are talking about Chet possibly being better who is a 3rd or 4th option. 😮I dont understand the debate. Im legitimately confused...
Because bigger role doesn’t always = better player.
If that were the case we’d give the MVP to whoever had the biggest numbers on a bad team. (I’m not saying Wemby’s a low impact player or worse than Chet, just that it’s not that simple is all)
The truth about Wemby Vs Chet is that both are great, but Victor is visibly greater, especially in the context of who they are playing with and how long they been in the league.
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I made the mistake of trying tto point this out when someone stated chet was scared to go against wemby in a 1 on 1. I'm like why would Chet try to 1v1 wemby even if he had something like a 70% chance of scoring on him when the Thunder had mismatches that they scored on like 80-90% chances. It just doesn't make sense to ever take that risk if you are trying to win.
Have you forgotten how Wembe has been on minute restriction and he’s still putting up better numbers too
both player great i believe analytics win when done properly. wemby have amazing foot work he need 2 superstar players next to him someone like dennis rodman to give them deadly defense and elite shooting guard with this trio they can look for championship
Try to imagine if you switched their teams. Wemby on OKC and Chet on Spurs. Would Chet be able to be as effective as Wemby is currently? Would Wemby be able to be better than Chet currently is?
To me, Chet wouldn't be able to do what Wemby is doing at the Spurs, without any support. Which make Wemby the better player.
That dunk attempt at 12:27 would've have been so filthy if he got it. Like long arming some who also 7 ft tall is crazy
This is an individual award, and the voters are going to have to be able to separate the player (and his statistics) from the team. I agree Wemby and Chet's stats are heavily influenced by the quality team they are on. HOWEVER the TNT crew said it best - what would happen if Wemby was on OKC? My answer: OKC would be an absolute juggernaut as a team, and Wemby's stats would be through the roof, even higher than they are now. Wemby for ROY.
Both Are having crazy Rookie seasons Chet having an incredible Offensive Season While Wemby is Playing Insane on the Other end Can’t wait to see who wins ROTY
isnt wemby leading the scoring of all the rookies
@@MathScieyes BUT he’s very inefficient so he’s more of a shot chucker than anything else. But he plays incredible d
@@sneakrzzz8669most games as of late he hasn’t been a shot chucker, his percentage has been consistently going up
@@sneakrzzz8669 wemby isn’t a shot chucker at all. Since moving to center he’s 25/10/3/3 53%
@@sneakrzzz8669 how can you say Wemby is a shot chucker and yet has a scoring record of 20.4. What about 3.2 blocks per game and his rebounding. In addition to his assists. Efficiency is overrated. Chet is doing fay less than wemby hence he will be more efficient. I am sure the majority of teh fans will prefer to see wemby rather than chet and that speaks volumes.
The entire Twitter should have the obligation to watch and listen this. This is public interest shit. Thank you
If Chet was seeing the kind of coverages that Wemby is seeing could he average 20? If chet was getting doubled and tripled lile he was shaq could he put up the same numbers?
Wemby's already a Top 5 passing big out of the post. Just need more players cutting to the rim and better shooters on the perimeter.
Spurs just waiting to get and develop another guy who can attract double team. People will then see how unstoppable wemby can be, they just not seeing it yet.
1. Wemby leads chet in PER...so literally more efficient
2. ROY has never been about wiks...dokt move the goalposts
3. Wemby possibly has the best rookie highlight tape of all time just halfway through the season
PER doesn’t actually measure efficiency, it’s just a formulated combination of every box score stat. Chet’s got a higher FG%, 2P%, 3P%, and TS% with half as many turnovers.
That’s not saying Chet’s a better player, just that he has been more efficient by pretty much every measure of accuracy.
Lately wemby has been more efficient. If he can continue that for the rest of the season he wins it
This is 100% true, with Wemby's current trajectory there's a chance this isn't much of a debate at all after 82.
For a rookie of the year stand point I’d say victor now for a stance of who looks like they are gonna have the more successful seasons team wise n maybe even getting deep playoff runs obviously Chet
Its really pick your poision with these two but if were looking at the ROTY as an individual award I think it has to go to wemby although Chet is playing great team ball
I think I'm with you there, I just love the conceptual debate.
7:55 What are doing Devin Vassell... pass the ball. As a Spurs fan, this make me very sad. Pass the ball man. 😢😭😭😭
Right now I give the slight not to Wemby bc of the slightly better stats, but it's still early in the season. If Chet can finish the season at 20 ppg, 8-9 rpg, 2-3 apg, 2-3 bpg, 1-2 spg- I might vote for him, bc he has a more limited role on a better team. If they switched teams, their numbers would more or less switch as well.
You can say the same about wemby if he average 23-11-3, 3.5 blocks, 1-2 spg😂. You can’t boost chet stats without think wemby stats can increase because wemby been on a great stretch only time he dropped less than 20 points in 2024, he had a triple double
@@Immaculatecap My point is that if Wemby were on the Thunder, he would be averaging around what Chet is- especially offensively. Defensively, Wemby would probably be doing the same as he is now (he's a slightly better defender than Chet- but he's also got 3 inches on him). So if Chet can improve his stats just a bit, he would get my vote for ROTY. The team context matters
@@bryant475 you don’t know that though, because they play differently. And if you think he’ll average the same stats, you will still have to boost wemby stats on okc because he’s on an upward trend😂. If someone on a worse team with more usage that player can avg more, rather than a guy who’s used as a role player with less usage to make a huge scoring jump😂
@@bryant475 and there’s 38 games left, you do know chet will need to average 24 for the next 38 games to average 20😂 that’s a crazy expectation your putting on a 3rd option
the award isn't like MVP, weighing team success as a variable. Individual talent easily points to Wemby. He has the bigger and more difficult role anchoring the entire defense and occupying the opponent's priority defensive focus
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Chet is awesome, but imagine if Wemby played for okc
Im a Spurs fan, so I may be a little biased. The past dozen games Pop has been running Tre Jones at PG and the Spurs have had much better results with that switch, and ever since that change Wemby has been averaging 26ppg on 27min and actually winning some games. This game Tre Jones was out on a sprained ankle, so our offense was a total wreck. On top of that we were completely outscored at the 3pt, having made like 2/12 or something in the first half. Put Tre Jones in that game, and if a few more of those threes go in, we couldve actually seen a close game maybe even a win.
Every Rookie of the year race has very different players playing very different roles. 2023: Paulo carries the offence as a PF while J-Dub was a role player on a good thunder team (sound familiar?),
It does sound familiar! And I also thought that was a great race, at one point actually preferring JDub’s case.
2 rookies are at the top of the defensive player of the year race
Crazy stuff happening right now!
The only thing Chet is holding on is efficiency and of course he is more efficient because he is on a winning team. Wemby is clearly ahead in terms of head to head stats and effectiveness on the court (come on, triple team as a rookie?). Chet is also a monster but I want this ROTY discussion to be over and want to watch these 2 monsters in the years to come when they have equally good team and see the playoff masterclass these 2 can have.
This comment section is filled with good takes, I love it. But both sides can present equally valuable arguments, so *at this point of the season* I say just give two ROTY awards. So far both players deserve it, just from different perspectives. I do however feel like Wemby developes his game faster then Chet, and kinda root for Victor to win the award, since I've seen him a few times in Euroleague and this boy is hella good.
If there's a real debate (which is not sure), it is simple : if there were a redraft, which one would you pick ? This one is the best rookie, i guess...
Well, teams draft for potential more than immediate results so that's an entirely different discussion, imo.
@@HoopVenue So you think ROTY is "MVP amongst rookies" award ? Sure if that's what's about, the question is different... and team is a factor because record is a big part of this. It would be perfectly unfair because 99% of top rank rookies go to very bad teams. Chet has SGA, Jalen, Dort : other teams aren't focus on him and he can do his thing.
The difference between an HOF prospect and a TOP 5 ever prospect.
Idk how you're supposed to be efficient when surrounded by non-shooters
True Freshman vs Redshirt Freshman
Got to go with Wemby. Chet would not have Wemby's impact with the Spurs, Wemby would have had a bigger impact than Chet with OKC.
They quintuple teaming wemby bro aint no way😭😭
I had to rewind, thought I was seeing things 😂
Wemby is the true rookie and has waaay more to deal with, so wemby wins out in a tie breaker
Totally fair!
The sad part was the score was 83-70 in the 3rd when pop subbed Collins, Keldon, Osman, McDermott and Malaki. When the quarter ended the score was 100-76. Spurs just couldn't catch up
Chet could put up more numbers with more touches. But he plays unselfish basketball and makes his team mates better. Thunder have gone from a play-in team to top of the West.
Meanwhile Wemby ceiling is sky high, but Spurs remain bottom of the west.
Basically Russell vs Wilt.
“play unselfish basketball makes his team mates better” is so full of nonsense. Wemby average more assists in less mins to horrendous group of shooters. Some of those dimes were crazy too..
You see, all of arguments for chet are words of mouth and opinion
@@pandabearr90 nonsense? you realise Spurs on pace to win even less games than last season? Seem to be more interested in trying to make highlight reels.
Are blocking shai, jdub, chet, giddey just to create highlights? If you think so, you simply a hater.
You got to see how much worse the spurs play without wemby this year.
I just love how Pop is sarcastically tanking the spurs. This season is as intentionally funny as that hack a shaq play.
The man is hack a shaqing the whole league. (Btw, OKC fan here.)