Outlaws of Thunder Junction Precons: Worst to Best
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I can't wait for the desert precon. I always wanted to build hazezon, but I didn't think there was enough deserts to warrant it. It's gonna be my first thunder junction buy
Super glad they're expanding on Deserts!
Yo forreal! I actually wasnt planning on buying any precons and wanted to get a bundle but now........
Desert has been Snows awkward cousin for too long.
@@Just.Arguing I'd almost say that deserts are getting to be better than snow lands
I can't wait to tweak Most Wanted to use Vihaan for a treasure build. I feel it will really pop off that way.
Got most wanted from pre release at my lcs and made it into a vihaan token deck and its really fun
The fact they named the spell in the vampire cowgirl’s deck “We Ride at Dawn” instead of “We Ride at Dusk” pisses me off.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this.
Desert bloom is missing a big add from wilds of eldraine. Blossoming tortoise. That card feels like it was custom made for that deck.
Your review just makes me even happier than I was before.
I was so excited when I saw the Quick Draw deck reveal & now that I know the commander has ways of going 🤯 INFINITE! 🤯 I'm beyond hyped! (Might even be a first cEDH deck for me. )
I bought all four decks but for sure the only one I'm opening on release will be Stella Lee!
I can confirm how smooth and synergistic Quick Draw is! I nearly drew my whole deck using Stella's copy while Niv-Mizzet, Parun was in play for an explosive win. Crackling Spellslinger on a Treasure Cruise with a Mizzix's mastery in my hand for my next turn made everyone scoop (when I dropped the Mastery on my next turn).
I pre-ordered the 4 Thunder Junction Pre-cons for $129.99 from our LGS. I like the Olivia Commander card but maybe it would fit better in a Vampire deck. Vihaan is a good Commander. Gonti is very good. Stella Lee is better than I thought. Thank you for the video Mia and Beezy.
Dang. That spellslinger looks sick. Also, can Beezy try to say the dragon shield ad a little faster? Gotta save time these days.
Great work as always, thank you both ❤
The ideal inclusion for Yuma would be Altar of Dementia. For just two mana with him out, sacrifice a cactus to mill four, and every land that flips bits you another token for more mill. You’re going to exceed Hermit Druid levels of mill, and with token doublers you’ll have enough bodies to turn the Altar on other pkayers and just remove them too.
Not every land will continue the chain. It has to be a Desert. Still pretty good but I believe you will probably whiff more than you realize.
Need to target Stella, greaves is a huge non-bo
I was kina happy when both Ixalan and Karlov Manor had really strong commander decks thinking maybe it's here to stay...But nope, we're strictly back to 'Meh' territory
Exactly. I also thought this will be a new era. Well ... Saving money 👌
Aside from the dimir surveil Precon from MKM, I thought the commander decks from MKM were pretty bad. I feel like OTJ is much better than those, but obviously LCI had incredible precons
Honestly after Zendikar Rising I thought precons will be like that during Covid 19, but nope. Learned to not get your hopes up when Wizards come up with a good formula.
@@justinmorsch3208 Blame game from MKM is quite possibly the best precon so far.
@@justinmorsch3208the Deep Clue Sea precon was also above average, but Blame Game and Deadly Disguise were bad
It's interesting when some people talk about Stella Lee and how easy it is for her to go infinite. Look up the old Kamigawa arcane spells. Look up Splice Onto Arcane. Then look up Psychic Puppetry. One additional blue mana when casting ANY arcane spell will go infinite. Land destruction, burn, draw, mill, life gain, creature buffs, they do it all. Stella can win commander games on turn 3.
Void Attendant? Oh, that's from Battle for Zendikar! I bought a fat pack for it back in the day.
I bought Most Wanted and Grand Larceny.
I have a kid named Olivia, so I'm obligated to grab this and try to make it work.
As for Grand Larceny, I already had a deck like this but in grixis. It's 12th doctor with Clara Oswald running on black. The idea is basically the same: Steal my opponents' stuff, use it against them, and get political gain while making copies. I'm taking the relevant cards from this precon out and putting them into the Grixis shell I already have. Then I'll be making a Felix combat damage deck out of the spare parts.
Pozdrawiam z Polską.
27:44 How did you figure 20 to 30 cards? My guess is that you're considering things that are more than just a one card combo like Refocus because I could only find like 3 cards that are 1) Instant or Sorcery 2) Can uptap Stella 3) Can draw a card.
And btw this isn't a criticism but a legit question: I might change my Niv-Mizzet//Thassa's Oracle deck to Stella//Thassa's Oracle given how she is *much easier* to cast so on a deck that already it's dedicated to fast mana cedh this can be a turn 1 combo deck.
Theres 5 ways to draw your deck although 2 are on the next upkeep so play the card that gives everything flash. Besides that theres 2 or 3 cards that just win the game and 2 or 3 that generate infinite mana. It could be interesting to have a cedh deck but idk if you wanna be playing such bad cards that don't do anything without the commander.
Life insurance also counts your opponents stuff so discounting it for only proc’n your stuff is inaccurate. I will agree though that its mana cost is too high and should’ve been a 4 cmc at most.
I think Command Tower is one of the best choices they have ever made. What's the harm in having a land that can tap for all the colors in your commanders color identity?
for the last one i'd think rod of absorption. to hold instants and sorceries after uses to hit big later
I specced on Stella Lee full art non-foil at $5 a pop. MP was at around $8.5 and ML $7. I bought 5, and I'm hoping it'll get to $10 and I'll double my money. But I don't think she'll go very far under $5 at all. We'll see!
Ik it’s a decent bit of mana but xanathar, Guild kingpin would be a good add to gonti
I actually don't have a landfall commander deck and have always wanted one so I might get the desert one. The spellslinger one looks cool but I bought a previous spell slinger deck and never ended up playing it sadly
Rassilon, the War President from the Dr Who decks is going in my version of Gonti. I was building him as a commander, but Gonti gives me another discount and access to green.
Does the new vampire deck work well with the previous one?
I can use any type of mana mean I can use colorless mana to cast it. Gonti give 1 cost reduction and Doc Aurlock give 2 cost reduction cast from exile so I can cast 0 mana for the spell cost mana 3 or less, am I correct?
Yussurrr.
I’m getting the Most Wanted deck while I’m excited to build around Olivia. The deck is definitely too unfocused, definitely cutting the life gain sub theme and the mediocre outlaws in the deck for some more treasure generators and better outlaws.
The deck could definitely slap if given a face lift!
I actually like the lifegain, especially with two reanimator creatures that like lifegain. First thing I cut is the politics cards, which i suppose are there for if you wanna make marchesa your commander. Adding some discard to get things in the yard to get back or encore with fixer.
I like how you break these down. Very well organized and awesome way to explain for different types of players.
For what it’s worth, Dockside is also an Outlaw lol
Guys we broke it
Pitiless plunderer is, too! Sac your creature treasures and get treasures back. :)
@@herman1850 add crime novelist to make more mana
Whatever team put together the Ixalan precons got fired by Wizards for having too much value and synergy.
I like Gonti and spellslinger the best. And someone on team obviously favored spellslinger jamming so many value cards into it. Biggest two disappointments was new Olivia is BORING and the desert precon doesn’t focus really on deserts much or cactus plant folk.
Some really cool cards and the artwork in this set is next level
Desert bloom seems the most fun, quick draw seems boring.
BFZ was the first time I ever played standard, of course I know the void attendant.
Ive been wanting to build hazezon since before the precon was announced. Desert bloom felt like the universe throwing me a bone
I'm playing Desert Bloom and its pretty good.
Dockside and smothering tithe go crazy in the outlaws deck
Jokes on you guys, preordered all four of these for $142. Best deal.
The will probably bring processors back. They foreshadow in decks sometimes.
I love those Mountains Mia has :D
I think all of the alt commanders are better than the face ones. But the fave ones probably look better on the box
Quick Draw is by far the most balanced deck! Some good reprints and great new cards!! I’m going to be deconstructing it and putting singles into my other spellslinger decks (such as Lord of the Nazgûl) as I’m not a massive fan of the commander!
I’m without a spellslinger deck since taking Kykar apart, I’m gonna build it. Precon seems worth it for new cards, Niv and Veyran. Strongly considering switching Stella out for the prowess otter already previewed from Bloomburrow once that set lands.
That was a “Back to the Future”movie reference you made. It was the Under the Sea dance scene in the movie 👍🏼👍🏼💯
Can someone explain the Stella Lee/Twisted Fealty infinite more? I get that after playing 2 spells you will copy fealty, but how do you get infinite wicked roles? shouldn't you just have 2?
I was confused at first untill i read the gain control of target creature and untap it part lol
Thanks yall.
Hello, most wasted is the worse of the 4th? im gonna start commander for the firts time and i dont really know which one really choose for start >
I wouldn't really worry about which one is the strongest or weakest. The great thing about commander is that you can always upgrade and tweak decks you want. I'm not going to say that the value is always worth it but it also depends on your playgroup because commander isn't an easily balanced format. So if that's the one that you like most go for it! I will be picking up that one, the quick draw, and the grand larceny one myself.
Just buy one thats affordable & not over priced.
I think it would be a good one for a new player. My playgroup is probably 2 years old now but most players have focused on decks that dont rely on combat and they dont have a good grasp of when/how to attack and block etc.
Damn I really wanted Olivia... Stella Lee looks cool too though...
The angel sellsword is legit
Seems pretty solid to us too
Seems like the stats are not quite there, it should be a 5/5, or at least a 5/4 so it can swing and get the mercenary buff to draw a card on the next turn. And before you go on about anthems and lords and all those other things, my comment assumes the card in a vacuum. This is not going to turn out how many think it will.
I'm a new player can someone explain how the twisted fealty combo works on stella lee?
You need to cast at least two spells before Twisted Fealty. Then you cast it. Before it resolves you activate Stella‘s ability to copy a spell and you choose Twisted Fealty for it. The copy resolves and you choose Stella as your target. As the copy resolves, Stella untaps and gets a Wicked Role. Now you activate her ability again to copy Twisted Fealty again (because the spell itself is still on the stack). Process repeats and as Stella gets a new Wicked Role, your opponents lose one life each time. Repeat until you‘ve won.
Best
1st place quick draw
2nd place grand larceny
3rd dessert bloom
4th most wanted
Worst
ngl, im getting gonti for a few upgrades to my Don Andres deck.
It really feels like this video is biased and not based on stats but rather on personal preferences.
Olivia (and the deck overall) is such a disappointment. As someone without Edgar Markov, I had hopes she could be a more affordable alternative for a murdu commander vampire. She only needed to say "When one or more Vampires OR outlaw..." to be what I expected.
I run a Mardu Vampires wedding deck with Edgar. But it's all about the bride and groom, with all the vamps to be sacrificed to the party, (along with everyone else's stuff.) It's such a fun deck to play. Sadly, I haven't recruited any new vampires since Crimson Vow. It even has the bride and groom's wedding equipments with the carrage taking them away. They missed the boat with the new Olivia.
@@TristanEason6 would it be possible to see your decklist? I love olivia and I was thinking of making a rule 0 bridegroom deck
@zionenjames ok I got it up on mtggoldfish, it's called Edgar wedding Vampires. By TristanE. It's supposed to be around a 7-8 PL.
@@TristanEason6 thanks for sharing!
I like the Desert Bloom the most just for the theme alone, but I hope I can get a non-foil regular-border Yuma or I'm not gonna bother. :^)
While not crazy good, I'm really glad they reprinted the Fallout filter-lands already with better art and flavor-text! :D
I loved both of your appearances on Game Knights recently!
I think Plasm capture is great on a budget not everyone can afford mana drain and there’s already a lot of 5 mana counter spells with upside so this being 4 mana is actually reasonable
I think the dislike for Plasm Capture is the number of pips & not necessarily its CMC.
5 CMC counters like Access Denied, Spell Swindle, Mystic Confluence have 2 color pips + 3 generic so the thinking isn't I have to hold up more specific mana, just more mana in addition to the 2 pips.
Plasm Capture & similar counter spells that require multiple color pips means you're restricted in not just the mana you have to hold up, but the actions you can take on your turn in order to reserve that mana.
@@LordDrieg it’s simic tho that’s not hard to do at all
Just be careful with Lightning Greaves on Stella because it doesnt play well with Twisted Fealty
True, boots might be better
I feel like everyone who reviews the desert bloom deck always misses the mark by not mentioning hew the entwood as an include, it's such a sleeper hit for this deck and budget friendly as most copies are under a dollar
It's kinda like a much worse scapeshift, unless you're taking a chance at getting free artifacts, but not sure what you'd aim for there. Very good chance to whiff too, which would cost the game. Now I suppose you COULD use it to sac all lands and fill board with 4/2's for one last assault, but there's better ways to do that
I'm tired of seeing Field of the Dead and Glacial Chasm in commander decks. It's time to start running Blood Moon and Ruination in all of my decks .
Gotta fight fire with fire
Just pulled a blood moon the other day
im ganna type this before watching the video: unless quick draw is best, i am mad.
You guys should go watch Back to the Future.
Olivia, Opulent Outlaw
Flying, lifelink, Deathtouch
Whenever one or more outlaws you control deal damage to a player, create that many Treasure tokens equal to the damage rounded up. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws.)
{3}, Sacrifice four Treasures: Put two +2/+2 counters on each creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
If they fix her like this ❤
Whenever a vampire or outlaw does combat damage... is better
nekusar loves wind fall lmao
I have to say, these precons have kinda disappointed me compared to recent releases. Maybe it is personal bias but they seem… boring? The spellslinger deck seems fun, but again personal bias I don’t like decks that care more about non-creatures. The others just seem… eh. Idk, maybe once I play them I’ll find them fun
What you think is the worst deck, I see as the best deck. I feel most wanted is the strongest deck in the set.
A crime have been committed , where are the cowboy hats 🤠🤠🤠
I really wanna pick up QuickDraw because the Storm Deck looks NUTS.
Can’t wait to get most wanted, scrap it for parts completely… that’s about it
When it comes to Mia, we never forget the top half ❤ 28:22
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Go touch grass
@@ericthordarson7557 it’s a compliment btw
Stella is bonkers
Battle for zendikar
16:35
I turned this precon into vihaan as the commander and it's broken 😅😂
This review of olivia aged poorly. It does 17 different things pretty damn effectively.
Vihaan Goldwaker is the Goldmember of MTG, they just want all the Treasure to accomplish their evil machinations.
Goldmember: ''I love gold! The look of it! The smell of it! The taste of it! The texture! I love gold so much that I lost my genitalia in an unfortunate smelting accident. Hence the name... Goldmember'', Austin Powers Goldmember :P LOL
I don't care that the Most Wanted is the worst - I can't NOT get the Mardu deck 😂
Stella Lee seems like its gonna be by far the strongest commander wizards has ever printed. Like Niv Mizzet Curiosity looks weak in comparison to this
Stella Lee seems fine to me. No haste means you need to untap with it and being only in izzet is a bit limiting.
What about it screams powerhouse to you?
what happened to joe?
Gonti is the worst deck by a mile… all new cards are complete trash…. expect the wrath. The graverobber skeleton thingy is a draft common like wtf are those cards xD
Low cut tops made this video.
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Gold medal
@@NitpickingNerds thank you 🥲
Boycot Wizards’s. We have enough cards. Proxy.
You can if you want to
Cry more
Wrong channel to post this on. Nitpicking Nerds does preview cards now, they're bought out
@@krisdaschwab912 chill shill
Wrong channel to shill this on. They do preview cards now. They won't encourage proxies or disparage WOTC