Has the Corvette market split?
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There definitely appears to be a split.
There are those, like myself, who simply do not care for the C8 styling.
I have never been a big fan of European styled sports cars.
One of the things I've always loved about the Corvette, is its undeniably American style and performance.
I plan to enjoy my C5 as long as I am physically able to do so.
Z06?
I'm with you 100%. C8 is one of my least desired generations.
That's interesting. That's the reason why I'm trying to buy one, the combination of the new styling with the American performance. I had an opportunity to get a cayman GTS and I passed.
Harley Earl originally was inspired by euro sports cars, and we can see that in the C1. Just like the Japanese and the Miata! The corvette whether we like it or not has been a spin on the euro sports car. Every ZR1 was created to dominate the Europeans at their own game. C4 ZR1, broke records and was attainable, C6 ZR1 dominated every track it went to, same with the C7. The first one, ZL1, was a absolute monster and showed the world what was possible. Every time GM made a corvette, it seemed to me that they were trying to prove something. That GM could make a sports car that was a better euro sports car than even the Europeans could make. So the fact the GM took a 458 Italia and was like, "we can do better". Then proceeded to do better, than even the newest Ferrari is wonderful. The split happens because people do not understand the context of the corvette, the passion, the thrill.
Absolutely, couldn't agree more.
To say nothing of the fact that Zora was pushing for a mid engine Corvette as far back as the 60s.
C1, C2, C3, C4, C5, C6, C7 and the C8 are all good Corvettes!!! Purchase what you like and don't put the others down!!!! Welcome to the family🎉😄
Amen Brother!
Thank YOU! Hey there all corvettes!
@@tonysteppan8495Well said
Couldn’t have said it better.
Excellent and most insightful post I’ve ever seen on the subject.
Personally,I think my C5 is the last "Looks like a Corvette" The longer I keep this car the more I love it. 2004 C5,64,000 miles
Absolutely brother I couldn't agree more that's why I bought 2 rare bad ass C5's! The body lines on the C5 are timeless.
Agreed! Love my Torch Red 2000, 41,000 miles.
I intend on reaching 200,000 miles on my '02'. 87k left to go.
Amen to that. Plan on keeping my C5 vert forever.
The C5 is beautiful. I think it has the best and smoothest lines since the C3. You have to have pop-ups, and the C 7 looks like a Transformer toy car
I'm 67 and have owned 6 corvettes. I still have a 2016C7 Z06 and a 74 convertable with an LS3 and a 6 Speed. Love them both! C8 Vettes are nice,just not for me.
I’m 74, currently own a 72 T-Top 4sp. Std L48 which I have since 1973 yes 50 yrs in my possession. 5 yrs ago purchase a new 2019 Stingray Coupe w Auto (8 K off sticker) for when I get older and have difficulty shifting the 72. A C8 would be nice but I really don’t think I need it at this point in time in my life, because like Lyle said front engines is all I know.
nailed it
That C8's 2.8 seconds 0 - 60 is certainly a quantum leap forward from earlier models...
I split on sports cars long ago... have a RWD 1975 MG Midget w/ V8... and a Mid Engine 1985 Fiero... guess the rest of the world has now caught up with me... LOL !!!
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50 years with one lady. Congratulations 🍾🎉🎊🎈!
You know what I mean? 😂😅😊
Nothing against the C8 itself, I just don't care about putting money dn & waiting for a car. That & the prices went crazy when the C8 came out.
The dealbreaker for me is manual trans. C8 is not exactly my cup of tea style wise but I certainly consider it a real corvette. Without a manual option, however, I will never be a buyer.
For the first few years of production in the 1950s, ONLY automatic transmissions were offered in the Corvette.
So I guess you'd never want one of those either?
I have a C4 and just bought this year in March. All Corvettes are Corvettes but I will agree with this gent! No manual, nonfor me! 10:49 😊
Only owned ever one automatic. The way things are I'll have to nurse my C6 and old Ford pick-up for a long time.
I have a C7 Z51 M7. I feel the same way.
why would anyone want an automatic 6 cyl or tiny v8 corvette when for less $$ you can have a manual 5.7l anyway? @@BigFiveJack
I definitely think there is a split, but I think it's the money split more than the front engine vs mid-engine split. I do have to admit the bang for the buck you get with the C8 vs a comparable European super car, but the styling and price point isn't for the average ham and egger IMHO. I think I'll hang on to my 2011 C6 Grand Sport for a while longer 😊. Oh, and on the subject of getting too old to get in and out of a Corvette. I'm 70 years old and I go to the gym three times a week expressly, so I'll be able to get in and out of my Vette. Many smiles per gallon ya'll.
I don't gym at 74 don't care how it looks getting in and out of my C5 Z06. When I'm driving it I feel young!!!
I think a lot of people like myself looked at it this way, either I get a new c8 stingray or I get a c7 z06. For me it was a no brainer to get the c7 z06 because it’s the last front engine corvette and it’s a z06 so it’s just more special than a regular c8. I already see c8 stingrays everywhere lol.
The C8's are terrific, but my 73 still brings a smile to my face everytime I drive her!
People should just buy what they like and can afford. I have a 93 c4, and i enjoy it every time i drive it.
Yes the split is inevitable because the platform is no longer the same.
i will take a c3 vette everytime.its a classic, that will never go out of style...
I’ve loved Corvettes from the first time I saw a 53…as a Kid (I’m 76 now). I got my first and only Corvette at age 68 and I still love driving it, cleaning it and just looking at it. I think your assessment of a split is right on. I really like the looks and performance of the C8, but it is much more difficult for me to get in and out of than my C6. I’m 6’2” with long legs and it just didn’t fit me right. That’s probably a good thing, because I can’t afford one anyway, lest I want my wife to divorce me. Something I have noticed is that when I wave at C8 owners, they rarely seem to wave back. If they do, they usually are another old dude like me. I have a friend who sold his Mercedes SL500 and bought the Anniversary C8 in pearl white, it’s a beautiful car, but he rarely drives it. You have to drive them! Anyway, I always enjoy your informative videos, and thanks for what you do for the Corvette community.
Yeah. C8 drivers don't wave. Yup, the market has split.
Styles and interests change, and the C8 departure was inevitable. I’m 68 and drove a C1 as a teenager. So, yeah, older folks are attached to those times. Affordability has a lot to do with it too. I paid $600 for that pristine ‘58 from washing dishes. Not too many teens are driving Vettes these days. And now the C8 has taken that price progression to yet another level, and older models are keeping pace as a result.
I’m hanging with my C5 for the duration. 😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think you are 100% correct. I am 63 years old. I own a 1969 C3 and have always been a corvette guy. They have lost me on the C8. To me it is no longer an American muscle car but more of an European super car. I have never cared much for them mainly because they are not affordable to me or most hard working Americans.
It was a pleasure to meet you in Carlisle! Great video and I have to agree with you. I have met so many C8 Corvette owners that have never owned a Corvette. The exotic look and mid engine placment attracted them to the C8. So yes, I believe there is definately a split.
I'm a gen X'er (56) and had only considered European cars (Porsche 911S and Aston Martin) for my retirement car. Then the C8 made an appearance. While I'm retiring in December I had the opportunity to acquire a C8 spec'ed the way I wanted (2023 2LT convertible Z51), and I jumped at the opportunity two weeks ago. You are spot on in that people who never considered prior Corvette iterations are definitely drawn to the C8.
I am the same. Love the new car. Mid engine was a must. I am building a GT40 replicar and will track it. That’ll be my retirement project.
Took possession of my first Corvette today. 2000 C5 coupe.
A corvette suv is a dumb idea and only lowers the image of the brand.. Porsche SUV in comparison in not called 911 SUV ..lol and that's smart ... this is bad marketing for sure... The C8 is remarkable, my friend just got one ... I am still hard-core on the C6 as the last Corvette Corvette, the 7 has departure in the traditional style.. but all generations sit well with me..An SUV... will generate under the breath laughter when seen on the road.
I Agree and I think is healthy to bring new folks into the Corvette community. I have an early C3 and a C4. I bought a C8 and think it is the best yet!
We were all new to the family when we bought our first VETTE. Mine was a C3 in 1985 and I miss it but now have a C6 Z and haven't looked back. Had a C5 Z and miss it, too.
I'm glad you guys made back safely. You're right on point with the corvette market! Keep it coming
I’ve been noticing the past couple of years at Carlisle that C8’s dominate the field more than any other generation. The show field is 90% C8, 10% everything else. Fewer C1-C3’s are showing up now. The market has definitely split!
One thing you CAN say about the C8 people, though...they are excited and energetic! This is a good thing for the hobby! Lyle :)
I split on sports cars long ago... have a RWD 1975 MG Midget w/ V8... and a Mid Engine 1985 Fiero... guess the rest of the world has now caught up with me... LOL !!!
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@@csvetteAgreed! 🎉
I am new to Corvette hobby and they are such awesome cars. I already want a 96 with the LT4 and/or a C7/8?
Let's talk numbers: 59000 C8 built in 2023...!!!
Cash cow for GM, LLC.
C7 ,as other new designs were, people were slow to fall in love with design. I was....
My first new C3 was 72 convert. $6556 MSRP.
That amt won't cover sales tax on C8.
Many factors at play here! !
I go to museum very often to watch R8c customers pick up their new C8...... Rare to see a young buyer!! IMO grey hair & sore hips are STILL the overwhelming % if buyers are R8C .......
COMMENTS?
Unless I WIN a C8, I won't buy one
@@karter9908 - CarterFlation tripled the prices of cars over a mere 4 years! BriberyFlation doing the same... unfortunately, wages don't go up anywheres near that fast...
I’m a 70 year old C8 guy. Not my 1st corvette . Had a C6, sold it to a friend (it’s in my garage) & bought a C7, loved it, miss it. The dealer gave me what I paid for the C7. Which for me made very easy to buy the C8. Three totally different cars. Love them all, C6, C7 & now the C8.
How many miles did you have on your C7 and what did they give you for it?
You are spot on as you usually are with this.The C8 Vette is a giant leap from all that came before it.Yet by time even the traditional Corvette buyer will accept this one too.This rift will definitely take sometime to go away, many changes in life are not easy to take are they.
"Yet by time even the traditional Corvette buyer will accept this one too" Not all of them will. I certainly won't. I wouldn't even consider owning anything newer than a 1977. With stock sized wheels and tires.
Hello Lyle, love your content! I just bought (a week ago and should arrive on transport tomorrow) a 2011 Corvette Grand Sport, velocity yellow 6 speed with 47,000 original miles!! I am so excited!!!
Save the manuals 🤙
It is very funny that I catch this video as I just got back from a ride/errand run in my C6 just a little bit ago, and there's another split you completely left off the table, and that seems to be a cultural one. While I was out today, I happened to pull up next to a C8 in some traffic, and the guy didn't/wouldn't even look over for a nod, wave, or anything. Had that been a C7 or earlier, that would've almost been a guaranteed roll-down-the-window for a quick chat... but no, not even an acknowledgement, and the C8 owners not waiving is now almost a given.
I have a C6 and you are right on the money and as far as I'm concerned C8 owners and buyers are just more wall street types and assorted snobs and not real car guys or girls or do they have any Vette knowledge of the Corvette history. I don't think any of them would know how to put air in their tires. I don't look at them, or wave either so I guess we are even.😉😄
100% correct. Most C8 owners I know (and they are my friends) don't give a darn about Corvettes if they are not C8's. I don't want to say snobby about it but....well...I don't know what else to call it. Almost never a waive either.
@@EagleS197 WOW did you nail it!
Someone is waaay too sensitive on this thread!
I’m on my second corvette (a C8) and have been fortunate enough to have owned close to 20 exotic/go fast cars in the past 40 years, and I still give and get waves and thumbs up and yes - some people in similar vehicles do ignore me and pay attention to the road and traffic. I don’t take that personal.
I do act friendly toward car fans and curious types when they approach me wanting to talk or take a picture. It’s part of the fun of owning a big boy toy! Try a cars and coffee get together in your area and you will find lots of guys who love cars. Some of us are wealthy and some of us aren’t. We just spend all our disposable income on car stuff. Either way, it’s all good. Nobody is better than anyone else, we just all love our cars. PS My first hot rod was a go cart with a tuned Briggs and Stratton !
Hmmm. I loved Corvette’s since the C3’s & we just bought a C8. It’s definitely been an adjustment owing one. We’ll make sure to wave & say hello. 😊
I have had 3 Corvettes. A C2 '66 427, 4 speed, a C3 '78 L48 auto, and a '79 C3, L82 4 speed. My favorite was the '79. Ordered it new all the options. Yes, I'm old, 72, but the '79 is my favorite.
I like all Covettes, old, new, front or mid engine. The only problem I have with the C8 is the insane dealer markups. So I got a more reasonably priced C7.
It was great meeting you at Carlisle! It was great talking to you and glad you enjoyed our Kentucky hospitality!
I’m 47 and always looked at the Corvette as something I wasn’t into until I did some homework and really started to look at them. Now I’m in love with my C6 that will be my gateway to the C7.
Depends on where your at? Last week i was at a car show, I own a 96 Convertible LT4 car, and there was a C2, C3, C4, C5, C6 C7, C8. I talked to all of them, they were all very nice, nobody looked down on any of the corvettes there. We all enjoyed are cars, no issues for me.
I don't think that one group looks down on a another in the Corvette community (or, at least, they shouldn't)...I think the platform change has split the hobby into Corvette purists and newbies with money, to be crass. Everyone at a show should always get along like they did at the one you mention. Lyle :)
We were discussing that very subject, turns out I have the original sticker price for my 96, it was $47,234, in 1996, In today's money that would be equivalent to around $90,000 dollars. Corvettes were typically bought by people with extra money for toys, I'm not sure that's changed? the only thing I would add is the prices of living has skyrocketed to the point middle class people can no longer afford the luxury.@@csvette
I kept waiting to buy a Corvette until it came as a mid-engine. I kept hearing rumors it was going to happen, but it took way too long. In hindsight I should have bought a new C6 or C7 to drive until the C8 came out. Anyway, loving the C8. It is the best car ever that I have owned.
My son who is a millennial told me dad go by the last front engine 2019 ZR1. so I did. Same as you though I was waiting for the C8 but it took too long.
I have a 2015 stingray I've had for 8 years now. I have no desire for a c8
I LOVE my 2021 C8. I also feel it is the best overall car I have ever owned.
I'm one of the guys that met you! youre a stand up, polite and enthusiastic guy on screen AND in person! hope to see you next year! PS i forgot to email you about a black steering wheel for my 93 c4
Great info. Keep up great work.THANK YOU
Awesome video!
We own a C6 and C7. Have had discussions about moving one of them to a C8. We both feel the C7 is the last true Corvette with the sexy lines. C6 even more so. We also noticed a bit of an attitude change with some of the C8 owners. They don't see to be fully engaged in the Corvette story. A bit of a superiority thing. I would love to get more waves from the C8 owners.
One other thought, C1-C7 had long running series, with C7 being shorter series, but now changes seem be much shorter series of time. This may be only my view, but new does not mean better. I'm an old vette fan!
Your wrist is gonna get tired waiting for a wave-back
I still think people sleep on the C5 CORVETTE. I own 2 TRUE RARE C5's 2001 & 2002 Quality rare color low mileage C5's are going to be valuable
And usable for the foreseeable future, too! Especially the Z06.... Lyle
Rare color. lol The only reason they are rare is because nobody liked the color to begin with so nobody bought them.
@@bassb450eh, debatable. One could say fear of a “bad” or “undesirable” resell caused that. Kinda like the snake eating it’s own tail.
@bassb450 I knew some asshole like yourself would say this ....I'm ready for you.. I own a RARE 1 OF 2 quicksilver over torch red interior and white convertible top with all the certification from bowling green and the corvette museum. My 2nd is a 2002
1 of 500, speedway white torch red interior with a white top. I have all the documentation..I've won multiple multiple car show Trophies with both these C5s. I get offers & compliments all the freaking time..Next time you open that trap on the internet.. You might want to think twice about your off the hip comments you 🤡
@@InclusiveOrangeTell you what he doesn't know shit that's for sure..especially HOW THE C5 CHANGED THE GAME TO WHAT THE CORVETTE IS TODAY.. They almost quit making a corvette but the c5 engineers went to the lab & pulled this beast out to the market.. But i'm sure that clown doesn't even know that true story..
I’d say you’re spot on with the split me personally I feel like the C6 was the last true Corvette and some might even say the C5 or even before that but I feel like the C7 was an upgrade, but pretty much starting to veer off from what traditional Corvettes have been, and the C8 has completely veered off in a different direction it’s basically a super car at this point Corvettes used to be affordable, and now they’re in supercar territory. That being said if you’re a Corvette fan, you love all the Corvettes. But the Corvette used to be for someone that was a blue-collar worker that worked hard every day and was able to purchase something fun that he had earned. The new Corvette Your average blue-collar guy ain’t gonna be able to buy that car and it sucks. The Corvette should be affordable for the blue-collar worker.
Reminds me of the mid 90's when Harley Davidson ramped up production & a new breed of buyer came about. The hardcore guys called them RUB's (rich urban bikers) & for a few years there was a divide until folks realized the bikes were what everyone had in common.
Lyle, you hit it out of the park once again with this excellent discussion! Do I think there's a split? Let me just say...HELL YEAH. However, the split I see is the one created when GM, in its infinite wisdom elected to include AFM (Active Fuel Management) on ALL C7-C8 Corvettes (except the C7 ZR1) so I can say with certainty, for that reason, I will NEVER buy a C7-C8 Corvette except for the C7 ZR1. Call me old fashioned if you will, but I don't embrace the idea of driving a Corvette with AFM that could malfunction at ANY time and "take out" the engine. Nope, just not my style. I'll stick with my C5 and C6 Corvettes thank you very much... Now, if GM comes to their senses and STOPS including AFM on future C8s, I'll consider buying one. Now 70 and having owned 10 Corvettes of the C3, C4, C5, C6 variety, I submit that the C5 Corvette was and still is the best-looking Corvette ever produced.
I think the split could also be impacted by cost new vettes are expensive of course all cars are historically so ppl are keeping their current vettes for now. Plus body style was a big departure I say c8s look less like a vette than previous yrs and some ppl love it, some ppl hate it. I like that it is mid engine but c7 and prior just look more like vettes to me than the c8 which looks more like a McLaren. Just my opinion.
I definitely agree with what you're saying I have my C5 and just love it but I do like the C8 they're pretty badass looking car
The move to mid-engine necessitated some exterior style changes to accommodate the rear mounted engine. They want to charge upwards of $100k (or $200k for z06 models), they have to be able to compete with Italian sports cars on a similar playing level.
I own a c6 and its probably the sexy model of all time besides the new c8, and very happy with it ,just my opinion
I’m 61 and had a 2014 C7 and loved that car. Long story short it developed torque tube bearing issues while out of warranty (And I’m about 1000 miles away from Sarasota FL 😆) I sold it meaning to buy a used C7 Z06 but the prices were such that for similar money I ordered a new C8 which I also love. If I was in a different price bracket, I would own both. I would say yes there is a split as one would expect.👍😎
It's all coming together just the way GM planned it. Look at the price, the Vette is no longer the "all American sports car" that the working man can afford. I have never seen a C8 owner return a wave while I'm driving my C4. The C7 owners are the ones who can really profit from the split as they are getting top dollar for their cars, God bless. I waited a long time to get my used 89' and now 12 years later I can afford a C7 or C8 I am one of those older guys, 70, who has a hard time getting in and out of these cars. Great topic Lyle, rock on!
Not sure GM ever targeted Corvettes to the working man. My 86 convertible’s MSRP was over $35K, which equates to over $95,000 today. What has changed are depreciation/resale value. Bought my C4 with just over 13,000 miles in 1997 for $16,000, or about $30K today. That’s where the working man comes in. The C6 and up (and to lesser degree C5) have been depreciating much less, probably because they are functionally the end of the traditional automotive/Corvette era (even current C8s before the gradual transition to hybrid/electric). I’m just waiting and hoping for excellent condition low mile C4s to appreciate more. Irks me to no end to see IROCs and Mustang GTs be worth more than an equivalent condition C4.
@@nathanexplosion5478 very true , my 89' coupe is in excellent condition 77k miles and I would like to upgrade but I'm not giving it away for $5 or $6k.
I think you are right Lyle, as usual. Loved the C2, then C3 (aka rattletrap) didn't like it all. C4 was ok, but not great. C5 - to me the best looking Corvette of all times, but needed some refinement. C6 - My favorite of all time, Love it [ Thanks for all your advice on that car Lyle ], while not quite a good looking as C5, but was way more refined, faster, nicer interior, better audio, just all around a better car. C7? A problem child holding pattern to transition to the C8. C8? Hate it! You could not give me one [ Ok you could, but I would sell it ], don't like the look, don't like a pick-up truck window behind my head, not a daily driver if you need to go shopping, etc. My grandson just loves it! So, I think you nailed it Lyle, C8 is basically for the New Generation, but not me. Remember the 2009 Concept "Sting Ray" ? I was saving my money for that, and kept saving. But alas, C8. Thanks for all your tips and anyone needing Corvette work? Go to C&S and ask for Lyle.
First time viewing. Well done. Liked and subscribed.
The C7 was available with a manual transmission unlike the C8. Thank you for the video sir.
Say Corvette SUV with a straight face🤣
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I'm not a fan of the C8. Not keen on the idea of a corvette suv either, but I also grew up with the OG vettes, so that mindset is definitely playing a role in how I see Corvettes. Get off my lawn kid! Lol
Very interesting take on your split theory Lyle. You could be on to something there. Great show always informative and all the best from Canada.........Leo
My first Corvette was a 1957 Polo white with the red interior. Had an absolute blast, restoring that car and driving. Cars back then were so much easier to work on to. The new Corvettes You practically have to take it to the dealer if you have any problems whatsoever. Times have certainly changed.
It may be splitting because the generation is getting older that used to own the 50s in the 60s and the 70s.
Don’t forget the C6 market is appreciating in value also. I’ll take a C6 over a C7 any day. The lines are classic. Enough said.
My thought on that is that if the C6 keeps appreciating it should keep the C7s at the same value for the most part and they won’t drop too much… these are the final front engines vettes and the final manuals
I'll take a C5 before a C7...
I think I will have to add a C6, a C7, and a C8 to my C5. Going to need a bigger garage.
@@jimharrow8104I’d take a C5 over a C6… I bought a C7 earlier this year but C5s have been grabbing my attention ever since… they are very sexy cars and those pop up headlights add another cool factor to them… I’d like a magnetic red coupe with a manual as a second vette one day…
I respectfully disagree. Here in the D/FW area, C6 prices, especially early C6 prices, seem to be softening. I see decent-looking 2005 C6s with about 60k miles selling for low $20K - high teens money. The idea of picking up a second one for my other half is becoming more and more attractive.
Your point about people having difficulty getting into and out of a c8. I belong to two corvette clubs with about 100 cars between the two. Most are c8’s. From my prospective most owners are 70 plus, no issue I’m 75. The difference is I hear how comfortable the c8 is or it’s great mileage. On the other hand I passed on the c8 and the c8 z06 and purchased a c6 z06 with 4k miles. I wanted the feeling of raw power and a corvette with great lines. The c6 now has close to 700 hp and I’m loving every moment.
Interesting
Thanks for the insights!
Love the video. I've owned a C4 and currently a C6...and I'm in my early 40s. Daily drive it, and absolutely love the car! I could only afford a base model C6 manual, but that's what I wanted. Prices are now inflated but still the C6 came in around the mid-$20k range. I'm blown away at the demographics you quoted about the C8...I do see younger folks in the C8s in my area. For me, it comes down to initial price and maintenance costs over the lifetime of the vehicle. The C4s through C6s are "affordable" in my opinion. C7s get into the $40-55k range...a tad on the high side of what some can afford. The C8s are insanely priced with all of the options and dealer markups.
I agree with your C8 stats. The new Vette is the new " American Super Car killer". GM hit the mark with a low price point , with high performance. This was also a time of unusual time of finances. With bitcoin money, and stimulus money. I would say it would be interesting to see your stats in a few years when the recession hits. I can see you point. I don't think the loyalty of the C8 buyer is the same of the past. I just retired out of the auto industry here in Tampa. Im old school. I just turned 50. I just bought a 1988 vert. The car I remember seeing on my walls when I was in high school. Now that C4 red corvette is now in the garage. I drove new cars daily for years. The excitement is not there for me anymore. I drove the C8 a few weeks ago. I just couldn't commit to buy one. I could afford it, but just didn't feel right. I know C4 is the bastard child , but it puts a smile on my face. It's all about the experience for me. Great topic.
Cudos to you brother! Buy and drive what makes you smile !!! 👍🏼
@@justinlanglais9825 I agree. Just something about driving a car you enjoy. Miles of smiles. Thank you
There was a t-shirt that said it best! AFTER 1967, THEY STOP MAKING CORVETTES ❤😢
I am 80 yrs old and have ordered a 2024 Z06 Corvette. So where does that put me??? The build date for my Z06 is Oct 9th. I also have a 1978 silver anniversary I bought new in Nov 1977 and restoring it. I am a C3 fan but back in 1968, when I bought a 1968 427 corvette, I fell in love with the mid-engine concept.
Now I will have both to enjoy.
For me, the car has to look great when parked (curb appeal) and also be fun to drive. With that in mind, I love the C6s and C7s. I bought a C6 coupe last year and am nearly 49 years old. I don't like the C8 simply because the styling doesn't appeal to me enough, and especially in comparison to other cars in its price range (base 911s and Audi R8s). So it isn't the fidelity to historical design that bothers me - it is the styling.
I have a 2013 Grand Sport anniversary edition and just two weeks ago took delivery of my C8 at the NCM. I love my C6 but I have to say the C8 is at another level. Even my wife can tell the difference just riding in the two. I'm not caught up in the split between front engine vs mid engine. I'm just enjoying both and appreciate the advancements 10 years brings. What a leap! By the way, I'm 64.
Thank you Lyle for an informative and well thought out video on "Corvette Market Split." At 68 I tend to fall in the middle of "classic" vs "new" Corvette styling. I'm with the old school train of thought, front engine V8 powered rear wheel drive. My 1st Corvette was a 1970 LT1, 2nd 1973 350 then I jumped to a 1987 Z51, which I loved before it got T-Boned. Then my 1995 LT1, Z51 and now my 2000 Z51 Coupe. I have been considering the C6 Z06 or Grand Sport while keeping the C5. Why, you may ask? Taking steps with my affordability to move towards what I feel is my last front engine, rear wheel drive Corvette- the 2019 ZR1. At the very least a C7 Z06 or Grand Sport. My wife however has taken a real liking to the C8. Which I think is wonderful and yes I too also like the C8. Would I ever buy a C8? Hell yes, after I win the lottery. But until then I'll stick to my preferences. My answer to whether there is a split because of age difference, front engine vs mid or rear engine, or is it monetary? Possible all of the above. As the younger generation is making more money than us older folks that may have a lot to do with it as well. Perhaps even more so than I imagine. I did mention having to hit the lottery as a winner rather than just a buyer of tickets and never winning. For now I'll keep enjoying my C5 and the mods and improvements that I have time and money for.
Loved the intro Lyle. You are naturally funny guy!
The C8 is impressive, and maybe if I had the money (I don't), I'd consider one, but I can definitely understand the "it's not a real Corvette" mindset. My first Corvette was a C5 that I recently sold to buy a '75 convertible. When the time comes in the future, I could see myself going to a C6 or maybe a C7, but I can't imagine buying a C8, even when the prices drop 10-15 years down the road. Maybe that'll change as time goes by, I dunno.
C7's cost just as much as a C8....
Although I appreciate what the C8 is, and I am sure it is a blast to drive, it just does not move me, it has too many angles. It's an Italian wana be with some angular Japanese influence. When I think Corvette I think curves. There's already some splits, as you pointed out some shops won't work on anything after 82 (I see this type of demarcation in shops that work on Jaguars and Land Rovers as well) in my case I love the C5, love the lines, curves, the pop up headlights... the C6 has always struck me as stubby, un finished. Now if I could take a C7, keep the nice interior and tech and reskin it as a C5......... That's a love child I'd gladly spend money on.
Meanwhile, I truly adore my C5 base coup..... I have a Jaguar that will run away and hide from it.. oh well, don't care and I will grab the C5 keys first almost every time. However, my next toy shall be an early FRC C5 to build and super charge so I can go C8 hunting. So if anyone knows of a well priced FRC C5 for sale (as in non Z06 FRC) reach out to me.
💯 Lyle I’m in a corvette club and see it in the club and at shows. There is that divide taking place.
Some good thoughts Lyle. I have always loved corvettes. Many years are my favourites except I am not really a new corvette fan.
For as long as I've known Corvette, I've been waiting for a mid-engined model. When the C8 was introduced I was underwhelmed by the styling, both inside and out. The looks just don't appeal to me. But I suspect I'm no longer GM's target customer. The looks obviously appeal to a whole new bunch of fans, as I believe they're on target to sell 50,000 of them this year. GM has moved on with the Corvette, as it should. The car has evolved to satisfy the market. I believe the market HAS split. It happens. Nothing wrong with that. The Corvette team did the right thing I guess. It's just that the Corvette no longer appeals to me styling-wise. It's a new era, and I'm not part of it. I'm a member of Generation X by the way.
Great video Lyle. Cheers!
fellow Gen Xer and I agree. We don’t hate the C8 it’s just not for us.
From a distance, can't tell a C8 from a Ford GT... both have a huge hole in the side of them...
I split on sports cars long ago... have a RWD 1975 MG Midget w/ V8... and a Mid Engine 1985 Fiero... guess the rest of the world has now caught up with me... LOL !!!
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The C6 was the last real Corvette for me. The C7 is too transformer looking and the C8 styling leaves much to be desired.
@@jays9211 I'm with you 100%.
@@Stinger430 looking to get a C4 ZR1 one of the best looking vettes ever
I am 65 years old, I have had 5 Corvettes and my newest is a 2020 C8. I traded in my 2014 C7 for the C8. I do believe there is a split in the Corvette culture, but....real Corvette people know that the mid-engine was a dream of Zora for Corvette, which was way ahead of his time. Corvette is trying to enter the supercar level, and the C8 was that car to break-through, so I believe that is the reason for the split. The Corvette is becoming a worldwide car and not just the all American sports car, another reason for the split.
I am a 80 year old Corvette driver , now driving my 25 Corvette, a 2014 C7. My first Corvette was a 1964 which I purchased in 1966. I agree 100% with what Lyle is saying.👍
After listening to your split cast, I agree with you. I like them all mostly till the full size slot car comes to being. SB
That corvette suv is hideous. Need to get a better designer.
Right?? Like, this is the BEST you can do??? If they made it really a stand-out bada$$, I could see it being a big success...but they just mildly repackage the same tired shape of every GM SUV, I think it fall on its face. We shall see.... Lyle :)
@@csvette I don’t wanna sound like a corvette purist who doesn’t believe the C8 Or any changes to corvette isn’t good, but it doesn’t make sense for a car with over 70 years of racing heritage to become an SUV just because of the market trend. It just looks plain ugly, not at all like a vette.
@@derincatalbas9425 Have you seen a Mustang Mach-E? 🤣🤣🤣 As a Corvette lover, I'm not super-excited at the prospect, either, but if they made it really mean looking and truly a breed apart from the run of the mill GM midsize utes, it could be at least inoffensive.....
@@csvetteyeah Im with you would prob be nice like a porsche cayan or bmw x3 but it has to stand out cant be half azzed
Why didn’t they just make a mid-engine C7 lol. Why’d they have to make the C8 look like a Ferrari humping a space ship.
New SUBSCRIBER!! I see the SPLIT that you are talking about. Some of it comes from no manual in the C8 and the supreme LUXURY of the C8. HTC, etc.
By the way, it was a pleasure to meet you even though you appeared to be under duress. Stop by the Westchester Corvette Club tent for food and beverages.
I bought my 2019 2lt Grand Sport with 10.000 miles from a man ten years older than me who lived in Tennessee. His C7 was perfect and had everything I wanted. Long beach red metallic, kalahari interior, chrome rims, and a 2lt. I was just shy of 71. He had a 2020 C8 that was on his dealership's showroom floor with many people wanting to buy it.
I had it shipped out to Oregon in an enclosed trailer. When it emerged from the trailer it looked like it had gone through a complete detailing. So I fit the C7 buyer but this man and a woman in our Corvette club who is a year younger than me bought a 2020 C8 and kept her C5.
There are exceptions and I believe my examples are one. Also the dealer mark up and high prices on used C8's are pricing many retired people out of the market. They want a Corvette and are are opting for nice C5's.
Hey my friend, I'm subscribing. I've watched a few of your videos and they are very informative. Specifically the C5 video where you essentially recommended the 2003. I used to have a C6 in 2007. I sold it and later bought a very low mile LeMans blue C5 CE (minus the stripes) . I really prefer the looks of the C5 and call me crazy, the interior seems nicer to me as well. The refinement of the C6 was nice though.
Fast forward a few years, I built a new home and unfortunately the C5 was just a tad too low to fit in the driveway. The guys building it assured me it wouldn't be a problem. I should have got that in writing.... Me thinking the C5 was lower than C6, I test drove a C6 Grand Sport home and it was still the same story. It scraped badly. I made a compromise and bought a Camaro SS with the 1LE track pack, TR6060 and the LS3 motor. It's not a C5 or C6 but damn me if I don't think it's more fun. I know she's a heavy girl and isn't a thorough bred but I'm enjoying it. The 1LE just very barely fits my driveway without scraping. I bought the Camaro but couldn't stand seeing my Corvette parked on the street any longer so I sold it. It was a sad day but the car deserved a loving garage.
I might be one of the only Corvette guys that has a 1LE because of his house situation. I plan to upgrade to a different home in a few years and I'm hoping to be back in a Vette again.
I would love a video comparison between 1LE and Vette. You might pull in some Camaro viewers and make them want to upgrade eventually.
Zeta platform can't compete with the Vette but hey, it's what I have to work with. I love the engine and transmission combo. Mine is stage 3 GPI cammed with all the supporting mods including Melling pump and LS2 tensioner and a list of handling mods that I won't bore you with. Runs 11s and it's a damn good track car for being a heavy girl. I do autocross. I don't do drag strips so most of the mods are handling focused. The steering 'feel' is most definitely improved over my old C6 and C5. Bushings really do make a difference. When you're a Corvette guy, you can't just roll around in a Camaro without upgrading the entire suspension. Hah. I even lowered the engine with poly mounts. Every bit helps for center of gravity.
27 with a Manual C6 - currently got 56k miles, bought it at 42k miles. Fkin LOVE this car, nothing but compliments, people tell me it looks like a lambo or a tesla LOL. super fun, CRAZY performance for a 17 year old only slightly modified car and its beyond fun on the track.
Lyle, It was nice to meet you at CAC. I see that split quite clearly. Interesting that I have a 2023 70th C8 and I am considering going back to a C7 Z06, I'm a late Boomer and while I love the sophistication of the C8: I love the power and raw machismo that the C7 Z gives you, especially because you can get a manual.
Good practical and straightforward information. For those front engine C1-C7 diehards who reject the C8, remember had the vision of the mid engine Corvette. The mid engine is definitely part of the Corvette history. 😉
Always appreciate your informative videos Lisle. I own a C6Z06. Was a dream come true after falling in love @ 12 with 64/red convert/wht interior. C8 is radically different, but my next real exotic will be a Ferrari. I will keep the Z06 because for me that was the epitome of Vetts, when introduced. But to all, enjoy what we have. We r all fortunate to live this dream.
Excellent topic. It’s 100 % happening. I’m 60. I have a C6 Grand Sport convertible and a 79 C3 T-top car. I just can’t warm up to the C8 to me it’s not a corvette for all the reasons you listed Lyle. I know people are crazy for the C8 but your spot on there’s plenty of people like me front engine rear wheel drive. It’s good the C8 has brought new blood to the sport. I get just as many comments on my 79 as I do my 2010.
It is rather polarized in the Vette world now..I own a 56 and a 64, but I also love the C7, and the C8 too..I'd take either one!
I can see a split. Seems like a lot of C8 owners prefer to just hang with other C8 owners. I don’t hate the C8, but if I ever get one I’m keeping my C7 GS M7. By the way, it was nice to meet you, Lyle, at Carlisle. I’m the “short” tall guy who had to have a picture taken with you.
Hi Lyle. What about the split for those of us appalled at GM discontinuing the manual transmission? No enthusiast passionate about driving would drive an automatic and the drop of the manual is just not acceptable
I like your Corvette info. Would you do a video showing the location of the battery in a 1967 and 1970 Corvette? There are NONE on the internet!
I'm 37 and have a 1972 with a 454 and a 2020. There is a transition in the Vette market happening however. The older folks I talk to do not like the uncomfortable seats in the C8 or the difficulty getting in and out. I can completely see their point too. I took my C8 on a long trip and the seats are not comfortable in the least (GT2). I still love my C8 though! Such a beast of a car.
May I ask, what car gets the most looks?
Although I am new to the corvette family I can see this happening with the platform change.
Interesting and I believe accurate points. I was waiting to hear your take on how the C6 is being affected by these trends?
Bought my first Corvette, new 2015 C7, when I was 55, then traded it in for a new 2021 C8. Both of them were the same color blue and top trim pack. We got rear ended in 22 and our C8 was totaled (no one hurt and damage appeared minor, but still totaled), so we immediately ordered a new red one (blue no longer available) and we’ve been waiting and waiting, and just learned it arrived at the dealer today. Can’t wait to get back in the tan leather seat!
I have a C2 (1964 ) a C4 (1996 ) and a C6 (2007 ) Love them all...Looking for a C3 to round out my needs...
i'm 75 and i can fully understand why it is and i agree,,,,,but i am old school,,,,,haven't owned a corvette for decades,,,,,but i did in the mid 60's to early 70's,,,,they were the best and i loved them,,,,,,thanks for what you do
I got my first vette when I was 70. Dealer I bought it from said that what I bought, GS was hard to sell with Manual, due to only 15% of the population can drive a stick.
love your page and all your videos. regarding the Split. It seems to me that you have missed part of the issue. you did not mention manual versus auto . I talked to a C8 owner and asked how he liked the paddle shift. He had owned the car for less than a year but he had never used it. He said he wanted a manual.
Just thought I would toss that into the mix. Thanks Lyle
Totally agree. C2's are the premier Corvettes in my mind.
First off the 67 is the most beauriful Corvette ever built, then I would say 58-62 would be second, after that the C5-C6 looks great and is very attainable.
But Zora wanted the Corvette to be MID ENGINE and never really seen his dream come true other than some R&D in the 60’s
That being said, for 80k the C8 is absolutely a winner, its a SUPERCAR for C7 money, nothing compares to a C8, its a Marvel of engineering
It’s a high end sports car bud, Google it
I've noticed the same thing too split is definitely there!! and as far as a Corvette SUV is concerned I know there's a lot of people who definitely hate the idea but in the long run GM is a business and if they think they could take advantage of the market by producing a product they think will sell they' re probably going to go for it, I have a C5 and I wouldn't mind a C8 if I can fit in it I realize as you mentioned Lyle that there's a lot of people strongly believe that a Corvette should be front engine rear drive but in my personal opinion I believe Zora was right ,the Corvette should have been mid engine a long time ago but that's just me.
The split, for me, happened when the manual transmission was dropped from the platform. C7 Grand Sport , 7 Speed transmission, V8 up front.
Everything in the future will be fast because of electric drive, so speed will never matter. What people will miss is the mechanical emotion of Corvette.
Agree! The rawness of C4s and earlier Vettes has gradually been removed. To benefit of comfort, usability, and overall performance, but the pure mechanical emotion that used to separate Vettes from other sports cars is pretty much gone IMO.
Sadly, I'm in that demographic that finds it difficult to get in and out of my C6. It's actually up for sale. I've had 7 Corvettes in my life but it's time to let the hobby go. I know two people who have purchased the C8. Both are in there late 60's and both have kept there C7's as a second or third car. Good to see you post again. I always enjoy the information.
EXCELLENT VIDEO!
Man, you answered so many questions I've been wondering about lately. Like Why is GM making a Vette SUV? Why are people offering me $12k more for my C7 than i paid for it in 2019.
My opinions.
1. Yes the market is split. If im in my C5 or C7 people tell me frequently "Love it. Dont buy the new one. It's not a Corvette"
2. I love the C8. I can't wait till i can afford one. It's what Zora Duntov always wanted. A mid engine rear drive car. Im honored as a Corvette enthusiast that the newest generation is running lap times and 0-60's like a million dollar hyper car.
3. Ditch the SUV. GM can make it. Sell it. Whatever. But dont attach the Corvette name to it. Call it something else. Corvette is a CAR. Not a brand like Porche. I truly believe GM is just gonna insult the Corvette enthusiasts, just like Ford did when they made a 4 door electric car and attached the name Mustang to it.
I am 59 and bought my 1st vette a 91 in 91. 6 sp vert. Sold it when 3rd baby came along. I recently bought a L82 4sp P.C. and love it. My split with the C8 isn't in the mid engine but the fact that they are auto only. I know autos are faster than manuals but I am not racing just driving it for fun and in my opinion shifting is fun and makes me part of the driving experience. It makes sense now that you pointed out young demo of buyers, they can't work 3 peddles.
working on a c3 1982 it fun most times, if its not a major replace or repair.
Agree that the Corvette community split between the C7 and the C8 (really glad that I have a 19 GS). It appears to me that the 'new' Corvette buyer never owned a previous Corvette or ever considered one. They are new to the product and I question if these owners are loyal Corvette owners, or just buying the latest and greatest 'symbol' of a sports car -- only time will tell. From my limited discussions at Carlisle, previous Corvette owners (C1-C7) do not see the C8 as a 'real' Corvette. Several times I heard 'American Ferrari' instead of American Corvette. It will be interesting to see, in a few years, how many C8 owners still own their Vette, or they have switched back to their previous sports car of choice. Great video!
I'm pushing 70..had C2's, C3's and C4's. Loved 'em, but I'm tired of wrenching and I'm gotten to love AC, cup holders and COMFORT. C7'S concern me re: active fuel management problems - more research req'd - and the C8's look great and perform! Corvette progress has always had its share of detractors, so nothing new. They keep getting better and better! A Corvette SUV..eh...if it's good for business, so be it. Nice analysis and report Lyle! Tnx!