Own fault Silly Crash | Snetterton Trackday | Learnings from it plus crash reasoning explained
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2020
- Here is a detailed video of my own fault crash, My unfortunate crash at the Snetterton Race Track, UK Sept 2019 , Fast Group .... SORRY about the glum face in the video, hated editing this video. Upsetting to see a silly mistake! I didn't hit anyone on track but apology to anyone on the track with me that day who had to endure loss of track time. Apologies also to anyone who feels upset or angry by looking at this mistake. It wasn't deliberate off course :( No-one wants to crash.
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I know someone’s already mentioned the blend line, but I really want to add for anyone else reading this that it’s a long front straight here and speeds are over 140mph at the point where you crossed that line on your out lap. You get hit at that speed, it’s curtains, so please don’t ignore that red line.
Secondly, and I can’t stress this enough: if you’re off the bike and on the side of the track, PLEASE don’t ever squat yourself down with your back to the oncoming traffic like that. If someone behind you bins it (again, see your out lap), you’ll never see it coming and it’ll more than likely kill you.
Neither of these are things you want to learn the hard way!!
Graeme , that’s two very genuine and wonderful points you mentioned . I will surely keep them in mind . I totally agree with you . Many lessons were learnt that day and I appreciate you taking the time to not only watch the video but write something constructive in such a nice manner . Thanks again . Stay safe mate
Respect for being honest, admitting fault from a few points. We all make mistakes and learn from them
LaMbErTJDMEG4 thanks man, it’s all about realisation, learnings and improvements. I am a big believer of that . Thank you for watching 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I’m blown away by your ability to do what you did and then find a way to publish the video anyways. It sucks to throw your bike down but to be able to talk about your particular experience and share it with the world speaks volumes. Much respect sir🙌
Thanks mate. Much appreciated, the last thing I wanted was the burden of taking someone off on my shoulders, I really had to sacrifice to save his back side .
I have learnt a lot from the crash and I guess it’s all about learning and changing things and most importantly moving on... thank you again for watching this video the way it was supposed to be watched :)
@@ChasingTenths so I ride the same bike.... what is your choice of pads for track duty?
@@crybaby982 that’s good to know mate. I love the RSV4, it’s epic. I have been using the Brembo Z04 pads and there’s nothing with them , absolutely amazing pads. But I recently tried EBC GPFAX pads and I found them amazing , if you watch my Silverstone video , I think it’s in my last 3 latest videos , I tried the EBC GPFAX pads only for my one last session and I went 3 seconds quicker
Another really interesting video. You’re really honest and open to your own mistakes. I’ve crashed a couple of times while racing at Snett so know the feeling.
You should try racing, it’s the best way of learning and you’ve got endless instruction from great riders, track walks and a lot of fun! When you crash, everyone laughs at you so all you can do is smile 👍🏻
Wil Green thanks for understanding and appreciating mate and sorry for the late reply , I don’t always get notified about people commenting... I totally agree with you , my plan was in 2020 was really to hone and tame myself because pace is there but I feel I am always trying too hard , always on the edge. It’s so silly . But then this lockdown happened so hopefully next few track days I will definitely take coaching for certain aspects . Racing is something I have always considered and if I can afford it then I will certainly have a go at it . Thanks again mate
I have been to Snetterton twice now; albeit in my car. Last time i was there, there was a biker session mixed in and i couldnt believe the speeds these guys were chucking their bikes around at. I've had a full A1 licence for years and ridden pretty quick... but theyre all on another level. You and the guys you were riding with included.
I just remind myself periodically that its a track day; not a competitive event and try not to get caught up in the moment. Odds are there will always be someone quicker than you and at the end of the day; being able to drive home afterwards = win 😄
Good for you to be man enough to show your mistakes, explain them and learn from them to become a better rider. Along with taking on board some points other commenters have made.
Be safe!
Thank you very much for a constructive comment , really appreciated. The points you have made are super valid and super sensible
Good on you for posting the bad as well as the good. It's a humble attitude and it makes you a winner, not a loser!
Thank you very much
Very nice of you to understand that , much much appreciated
Ken Hill talks about creating a track routine to get yourself into the right mindset. I'm sorry man but in under two laps you blew the blend line, had a moment while staring at your dash, went off the track, re-entered in traffic, then crashed and nearly collected another rider in the process. Those are focus mistakes. Most of the orgs I ride with would have black flagged you and had you come talk through what went wrong with a coach to try and get your mind in the right place. It's too bad this one didn't. A few minutes to calm down and get your mind right might have spared you that crash.
BTrain5489 I couldn’t agree with you more mate
Absolutely right
Looking back on it now , I really think I should have just come in and relaxed
As I mentioned in the video
Too much pressure on a brand new track on a fast day
I normally have no issues at all
I did 2 Portimao , 1 Jerez , 1 Donington , 1 cadwell just before this Trackday and it was brilliant
It’s one of those things , we all make silly mistakes
I am just glad I didn’t take anyone out and hence I braked hard just before I was going to hit that chap and crashed . Many lessons learnt which I have applied this year and it’s a completely different story this year .
But whenever I enter in or out of the track I look back to make sure I am not putting anyone in danger.
Thank you for the pointers
I really appreciate them and I agree with most of it
I just love your honesty No big talk No braging Love it !!!!!! A good Vid that would be great to hear/watch unles you have already done so would be the running costs and how you prepare
what your budjet is etc etc etc A lot of bikers thinking of doing track days I am sure would love to get an idea of the prep and costs ?? Just thought I would mention it . My track days
are on a mega budjet and sometimes I thinkit probably spoils it when you just know your bike is not really up to it but I do me best with what I have. Your slowish lap after the crash
is me flat out on a good day L.O.L so no shame on that score and I am not surprised when folk flash past me but still frightens the hell out of me and thats in Novice !! Take care !!
Hahaha, what a lovely constructive comment there Allan, thank you . Yes, there’s one thing I don’t ever do in my videos is brag about stuff , I am proud of my levels of achievement but that’s taken some crashes lol but most importantly consistent Trackdays and listening to the people who know more than me , like coaches . I will definitely look into doing a video which you suggested , it’s a really good shout that. Thank you again for watching and supporting
You will always go where you look. 100% of the time. Nice that you went right back at it. Great job.
Thank you mate
I love this guys honesty
Thank you mate, you got to be honest these days , no point faking something. It back fires :)
Feel like this is a good video for.me to watch. I'm back to Snetterton after a few months and I've moved from inters to fast elsewhere..
Will take heed to not apply to much pressure!
Keep it sunny side up 💪
Thank you very much Lewis, I did another track day vlog on snetterton plus a one hot lap video of 2 min 5
Feel free to watch that
It will give you a better idea of the track
Thanks for taking the time out to comment and appreciation
Always blame the pads lol spark plugs are a good one to ....
hahaha , spark plug is the first one I heard.
A very honest review , u gain another subscriber
Thanks mate very much , I always try to showcase reality and how I truly feel from within, really happy that I didn't crash Into anyone and learnt a lot from that experience. much appreciate your support and subscription
Respect for avoiding everyone else 👌. It's the name of the game mate if your pushing hard then sooner or later you'll overstep the line. Mistakes like this is where you learn the most and trackdays is all about learning.
Thank you ever so much for the kind comment and very constructive view . So wonderful to read this
I’ve done the same bud. Was riding comfortably in the fast group at Cadwell so booked into fast at oulton...a track I had never rode. As you say yourself I felt overwhelmed and pressured into riding out of my comfort zone for the entire morning.
I’ve just to Donington in the inters. It felt much more comfortable and was up to fast group speed after 4 sessions. Lesson learned on my part.
You did well not to collect anyone. Shit happens, we all make mistakes. Glad you didn’t get hurt 👍
mozer30 what a wonderful comment. Thanks mate for understanding in-depth what actually happened. I appreciate it so much . Few lessons learnt from that day , if I had collected anyone , I would have been so upset with my self
New to your channel love the content.. no bravado. Been to snett a good few times mostly on four wheels and seen some big crashes. But at the end of the day top marks to you you got up and got on with it. I’ve seen a lot of people pack up and go home after an incident . Well done 👍
Thank you very much Steve , snetterton is about 3 hours from me otherwise I would go there more often
I did venture there twice this year . Did one video , still need to do another one. And thank you for truly understanding my mindset, I am definitely not about boastfulness or show off . Just wanted to show people when rubbish happens !!
Thanks for watching and taking the time to write a constructive comment. Hope one day I get to do a car trackday but an Ariel atom would be just the weapon ;)
@@ChasingTenths no problem bud my bruv run a radical there this year don’t think he’s got over it yet 😂. Love the cars but want to get back on the bikes haven’t rode for 10 years so be a bit of a learning curve.
@@bluevanmani you must do a bike trackday Steve , you’ll be hooked. I promise you lol
@@ChasingTenths yeah wanna get back on two wheels done a lot of bike track days a loooong time ago really miss it, only stopped coz we had kids but yeah we’ll see what the new year brings. Good luck this year and look forward to more of your vlogs 👍
@@bluevanmani thanks again Steve , look forward to seeing you on track :)
Fascinating video dude, it’s my local track, so I really enjoyed the footage.
Thanks Peter, really appreciate it mate. I can't wait to go there again . it's a stunning track. hopefully next time I won't crash lol
Bummer..another lesson learnt mate. You know In yourself I think what steps to take..turn off lap timer, concentrate on lines rather than speed, ride your own lap and if you cant pass someone on the turns and you've caught them, just pass safely on a straight. Is your abs still connected as you locked up same as Silverstone crash?Always learning..ride safe.
Matthew Watkins no mate ABS is off. I had such a great 2019 with no issues on 5 tracks and then this and silverstone one after the other. This was just so frustrating, absolute stupid error. I put myself under undue pressure again but 2020 is all about taking it easy as you say. Learn the lines first on a new track and then measure timing ... sometimes I just dwell too much into laptimes and that’s not a good thing at all .... thanks for watching mate .... 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
We learn from every time we hit the ground. It’s just a hard way to learn. Glad you came out of it mostly unharmed.
Thankyou so much mate, really appreciate you showing the concern. it was a silly unlucky one. Unfortunately, I had another crash 2 weeks later in Silverstone . I couldn't believe it , no crashes in 6 years then 2 in a row within a fortnight. The Silverstone video is also on my channel
When you get faster that tends to happen. That’s when tires and suspension really make a world of difference. I’m subscribed so I’ll be watching for sure.
I mate, where about’s in the midlands are you? Cheers Mat
MAT RACING i am not telling you if you are the guy I nearly took out in that video . Hahahahaha ;)
@@ChasingTenths hahahaha, No i''ve not ridden for a year and abit. Had a kid, so had a year out. I only ask as i'm from sheffield and got a new bike and going to get back into it. Just thought it would be good to maybe go on a trackday when your there? Cheers Mat
You been to Oulton yet? Can’t find a vid for it?
Zeebo1uk no mate
It rarely came up last two years
This year it was coming up a lot
But 100 percent I wanna do it in 2021
Can’t wait
Seems a good layout and not too far from me
Chasing Tenths it’s my favourite track (and local) love it, wipes you out though, very very physical
Zeebo1uk wow ok, well for sure let me know if you do it next year
I might join you
Keep in touch mate
Great Vlog 👍
Thank you very much :)
What does your noise limit read with your Akra pipe, baffle in and out? Thanks
102Db with baffle in, the small tiny baffle with akra slip on, not the long baffle , without it is 105db I think ... I never had any issues on U.K. race tracks
Both at 5500 RPM
Thanks mate. I have the small baffle with Akra slip on and have Snetterton booked end of March, fingers crossed. The noise limit is 102, so you think it should be fine? Do you know where you can purchase a bigger baffle for this exhaust?
@@robertcamilleri9603 you’ll be absolutely fine mate honestly with the small baffle but the bigger baffle can be purchased from calsport , here is the link for them. Keep the bigger baffle just in case
calsport.co.uk/all-parts/v-tuv227
Cheers. I bought my small baffle from Calsports, but my Akra slip on has the circular hole, not the triangle shaped hole. Struggling to find a bigger baffle that will fit. Also got Spa booked in August at limit is 100 there!
Good video mate👌🏻
Thanks mate , much appreciated
Just subscribed I've a tuono 2016 and I'd be a middle of the road to fast road rider, I am Irish the only track we have is mondello which is way too slow
Hey mate, love the Tuono . I am a huge Aprilia fanatic , I have definitely heard of that track . I do some to carrik fergus sometimes in Northern Ireland, I have a good friend there , you should come to England and do some trackday here
Do like a triple header
Stay in a reasonable hotel
Donington or Silverstone or oulton park which aren’t a million miles from say Liverpool docks
Would love to see you on track here
@Harry but some of the best (only?) road racing circuits in the world!
Wow I bet that must of been one scary moment, but in your defence great thinking not taking out an innocent rider, could off gone horribly wrong. Food for thoughts not switching back to OEM brake pads for tracks days, thanks for the heads up 👍
The Earlster yes mate, once your discs are used to a certain compound for 2 years , they won’t grab a new compound right away, and yes I would have been gutted if I took someone out, I would feel so so horrible. Crashing myself was the right thing to do. And I can just put nicey nicey stuff all the time on CZcams , sometimes you just have to put the mess up situations too
do you think you could have chucked it in and made it round??
Alan Young mate, well said, I don’t think a week has gone but since that July when I haven’t thought I could have done differently... I think I was really concentrating on not collecting anyone with me cause I wouldn’t be able to forgive myself .. but I was just too fast and just spent all my energy in not taking anyone out and just crashed instead. But I think of so many other things I could have done now . I don’t know , it’s one of those things . Hate that crash , so silly so pointless
@@ChasingTenths happens to us all at some point. Have fun!
No I reckon too hot in there
Rule I follow is if it’s new track to me I always drop down a group so I don’t feel the pressure to push. Then next time I go there I book back into inters. I’m not fast group level…yet.
Very well said mate
Everyone makes mistakes pal even the pro’s.
Must admit that opening clip had my sphincter clenching though 😲
Ian Mills I know mate, I know exactly what you mean.... I had only seen this crash on 2nd sept last year on the little GoPro screen and then never saw it again but when I finally decided to edit this last night, I felt so so sad and upset ... you can tell from my face In the video I am proper sad 😔..... it hurts more when it’s own fault.
I am just happy I didn’t crash into anyone otherwise I wouldn’t forgive my self !
Glad you didn't get injured mate damn I'd be sad also.
hoslyr86bass thanks mate , it was a bad one and a tough video to make.... another tough video coming up next 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️.. watch this space lol
@@ChasingTenths oh no 🙈 Haha
Recent subscriber, good “real” videos, keep it up 👍
shaan shareef cheers mate, I do remember you subscribing yesterday. That’s the beauty of having a little humble channel , one remembers all subscribers lol... I had to put this video up, I can’t just show great performances and not show fuck ups 🤷♂️... thanks for supporting mate. Spread the word amoung your biker mates
Chasing Tenths yeh enjoying the content, going to portimao again next month but this time on the thousand and also been looking at rsv4’s so quite useful all round for me 👍
shaan shareef cheers mate, portimao is epic on a 1000 cc bike. And Aprilia is a really really good bike mate, it handles really well. And it’s tough to crash that bike (unless you are me) lol... front end on the Aprilia is amazing (if you do buy one, buy 2017 or later)... have fun at Portimao, keep safe
Chasing Tenths been looking at 2015 RF’s as seem to be good value, be a third bike so totally impulsive haha
@@reepers13 I have the 2015RF mate, don't buy that, although mine is highly modified, but 2015 is very similar to previous years and the Ohlins on that is 2011 tech, no blipper too, buy 2017 and above, trust me the difference is huge and you'd be surprised they aren't that expensive now.
I'd love to someday meet you and have a chat! I'd be novice on track but just to hear your stories of starting and getting to grips with the bike and track day process, I have youtube for now !
That’s brilliant Harry, thank you for your kind words
If you are in the U.K. , you can’t unsee me on a trackday lol . I am trying to make my self as visible as possible.
First thing in the morning your words have truly cheered me up
Thanks for the support
been watching a few of your videos - you do seem to fall off a lot !!................... do you enjoy it? at age 65 I am paying the price now in tendonitis in shoulders, back etc from too many offs - a couple at cadwell : )
IR W hahaha, good one. To be honest . For 6 years I had no crashes then I had 3 in one year and that’s the year when I started CZcams . So definitely seems like I fall off a lot . Definitely lessons learnt . Thanks for watching :)
Great presentation Ab! Thanks for the kind words ❤ #169 #MikeWade
Mike Wade no problem mate, if I wasn’t so glum and sad editing this video , I would have made it even better. I didn’t get to do much footage there. Always next time , look forward to our next Trackday
Hmm. These are old and watched quite a few Vids , you seem to always have rear lockups during incidents perhaps you've outlearned that. interesting also lots of rear chatter(rebound)
You are spot on mate, very well spotted . In 2018-2019 I had loads of rear locking
Basically I have sorted my front brake set up now perfectly
The ABS is disconnected now totally , direct lines from Brembo RCS to the callipers, this has transformed everything , it’s very much predictable.
Rear chatter is also much better now with ohlins TTX gp upgrade with an over suspension device plus the suspension is properly set up now. Lots has changed in the last two years , now I can feel when something isn’t right and I try to resolve it , before I just used to live with issues thinking it’ll be ok but it’s never ok until a solution is found. Plus as a rider I have improved a lot , coaching has helped and patience has helped too lol . Well noticed :)
You should have pitted after the ploughing earlier .... you got careless :) .. glad you're OK though
That’s so so true , I often think that even now, I definitely should have pitted . Hindsight is a wonderful thing
@@ChasingTenths you know I watched the video a couple of times just to see where it were wrong before I made that comment above, it's sometimes easy to armchair comment but I do think you have a combination of errors, going into the gravel agreesively like you did would certainly have forced some grit into a soft tyre compound, that grit would have taken a good few corners (maybe even a lap or two) to fully clear, add aggressively braking to the mix (the moments before the crash) and it was never going to end well ... I remember once running out of corner and into some asphalt grit and was surprised just how much grit embedded into the tyre ..
Just as an addendum, I love your channel and content and find you really easy to listen to, you're definitely on my list of favourite motorcycle vloggers! ..
Learn from mistake your riding skill will be better nextym awesome video
JLOPEZ 23 thank you for the polite message. I definitely learned from the mistake for sure.... this yaar has been much much smoother and better
👍 i have 2017 Rsv4 RF With Race Ecu im loving it on the track so much fun to ride your bike track built i love your TFT Display your bike 💯
JLOPEZ 23 thanks mate
Mine is a 15RF so it came with the analog dash so I just upgraded it to the race dash and it’s worked out pretty good
Shit happens 👍
Leon Trice thanks mate, I appreciate you looking at a lovely angle there