Who is the BEST Gilmore Girls Guy
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- Who is the best Gilmore Girls Guy? There are so many boyfriends, fiances, and husbands, so I decided to rank all the men of gilmore girls using Rory's method- a Pro and Con List!
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It’s heartbreaking that Dave left. He was THE one. 😭
How was he the one. My honest opinion he didnt show me anything to make him the one.
@@lauriecarson6483 He actively wanted to be with Lane and didn’t want to have her hide it from her mom. He was incredibly sweet. Their relationship should have been able to play out.
@@lauriecarson6483he read the whole Bible in one night for her
I was so mad that they paired her with the other band mate. I’d rather her have been single than to have us believe she had feelings for him 🥱
@@ve.625 he read the whole Bible doesnt make him the one. Did we see them go on a date through out the show. No we didnt.
DAVE was the best, and you can't change my mind. He didn't care about doing weird plans to see Lane, read the Bible for her, deal with HER MOM, was sweet, kind and smart.
OK can I try? Paul Anka is a guy. And he really helped Lorelei through tough times 💜
@@stephjovihjjjjjjjjjj
Dave had no balls and he was probably a crossdresser who got off on dressing as rs. Kim
Everyone before the video even starts: DAVE RYGALSKI
💯😂
yea but also Max
I feel like a pro that should’ve been added to logans is that he knocked sense into rory about her being privileged.
True that was a satisfying moment
Agreed
Jackson should have been way lower in my opinion the whole lying about getting a vasectomy thing is sick in so many ways . it is a breach of boundaries, trust, respect, autonomy for his partner. it's disrespectful and gross that he purposely knew he got her pregnant and simply never told her
IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YRSSSS. I hate seeing that man on the screen knowing what he did. That’s literally illegal and just immoral and sick and ew. Ugh. Like it wasn’t quirky and cute, it was…disgusting
I totally agree with this on its own, but are people forgetting the way Sookie told him (not asked, told) he was getting a vasectomy? She sprung it on him right after having a baby when it was something they never discussed prior, then a nurse immediately came to take him to get the procedure. He said "they sent the big nurse" (a large man) and she joked "just in case," like, just in case he tried to fight it. And just so we're clear, this is also illegal and immoral.
Getting to make your own reproductive choices goes BOTH ways. It's not okay that she tried to force him to have a vasectomy, and it's not okay that he didn't tell her he didn't get it. I don't think it's fair to only put that on him when the idea of a life-changing procedure was basically forced on him.
@@j.m251 I agree though, they tried to make the whole thing seem like it was silly and quirky and none of it was. It kinda just ruined what had been a nice couple before that.
@@maggiedk no no, I hate that too. I thought it wasn’t cool & the whole relationship was trash due to it. They should’ve had a convo and decided on what to do, and if he wanted to keep having kids and she didn’t then they could’ve just split up bc that seems like it’ll never resolve itself. One person will always be hurt and sad and pregnancy is bound to happen then.
This vid was just about the guys and I thought lying was slimy. He should’ve spoken up beforehand
@@j.m251 THANKYOU BC NO ONE EVER TALKS ABT IT , people act like hes such a good husband and just forget what he did
I don’t really hold Luke’s actions around April against him because to me it really felt like a writer’s decision to cause problems than a genuine character action. That and the lack of growth between the end and the Year in the Life.
Sorry but lying is lying, especially after he hadn't been long gave Lorelai the whole speech about how they had to tell each other everything if this was going to work between them. After he had just humiliated her in front of Jackson and Sookie after he walked in on her cutting Christopher off on the answering machine.
I couldn't believe they would put that mess AYITL on tv. It was a complete disgrace.
Jess in on scene was verging on SAing Rory and ghosted her in the end. This was obv before the last Netflix special.
He is not a prize. Ppl just liked him cos of his looks
Literally I don’t get the hype😭 I hated him all along, until the end when he resurfaced and was kind of nice. But the way he treated Rory, constantly, being hot and cold, it’s so abusive. Even with his issues you should never do that to a person, sure did I feel the connection between them? Yes, but he could’ve been a better bf
Also pursuing her so much while she was in a relationship was wrong
Jackson is out straight out, he impregnated suki against her will… ouf that whole story line left me speechless
GIL. You cant change my mind. This guy loves and adores his family and wife. Loves music. Has a job and is professional. He cares about the others and has fun. 😊
I think if you’re talking about gaslighting, Dean is the gaslighter tm, whenever they fought he made her think it was her fault EVERYTIME, she was the one to apologize over and over even in instances were it was clearly him overreacting over simple stuff, that is gaslighting in my books. With Jess instead of fighting Rory would always just talk to a wall and then shove her feelings down and pretend everything was alright bc Jess was so emotionally unavailable. Now with Logan you fail to mention that whenever he felt like not running to Rory’s side the moment she felt like it is bc he was going through his own problems ( she is really self centered and feels her problems are the only important ones) when he doesn’t want to go to lanes baby shower is bc he just lost a huge amount of money and everything he was working on (if I remember correctly) he was dealing with rejection, disappointment, expectancies and failure and what did she do? Brushed it over and get upset bc he didn’t want to go to the baby party of her friend he doesn’t even know and probably wouldn’t be very involved bc it’s kind of a personal event idk I feel like the difference with Logan is that it’s a real relationship and more balanced where yeah they have disagreements but they work through them and for the first time we get instances where she is not always right which give her a more complex character than always being miss perfect never does anything wrong is the big victim of the whole charade
12:20 didn’t jess also not wanna do the stars hallow stuff? jess only did that because of dean. plus later in the show logan did visit stars hallow and was interested
logan only visited stars hollow once with rory in their entire span of 3 yrs of relationship. that doesnt scream king of boyfriends
The worst thing about Jason Styles is that he didn't let that poor puppy leave that spot by the fireplace. What a control freak
The dog was trained by monks! Jason just loved him despite his eccentricities
Agreed, that poor dog. The guy was a boarder line animal abuser 😂. I’m laughing because it’s sad
I actually like Jason, in regards to his flaws/quirks. I'll defend his character arc.Let's start with the separate bedroom. He had chronic insomnia. Which is why he slept in a different room. He was upfront and honest with Lorelai about that. In Regard to Richard, Richard is also toxic in that whole deal. Jason was screwed over by Richard and lost his career. Jason really trusted Richard and wanted the firm to work. Hence the lawsuit/ and income to figure out what he needed to do with his life. Understandable.
Regarding taking revenge on his Dad, Jason's Dad is a bonafide psychopath. The way he turned out is good based on his upbringing. Jason wanted to branch out and be on his own and his best shot was partnering with Richard. Jason's whole arc parallels Chandler arc on friends another character with a dysfunctional family background. He grows through his experiences.
Logan: “Have a drink” x 2 in 2.5 seconds.
Also Logan: “DONT MAKE ME FEEL BAD FOR YOUR PARTYING AND DRINKING”
with jess, i don’t understand why u didn’t add what happened in kyle’s bedroom as a whole other con. and that’s a BIG con. he should’ve been at least under logan
that’s what I thought!!! He had way more cons than that… also the fact he was being disrespectful and rude towards Lorelai or Clara (Deans sister)
i completely agree.He was super disrespectful towards her family .
Luke is the best Gilmore Girls guy perioddddtttt. His pros way far more than his cons. Also one pro don't forget that no matter how much of a grump he is he's always there for everybody. And that includes Jess.
The reason why I'm team Jess over Logan is because he grew and mature. He encourages Rory to be the better version of Rory while Logan didn't care if she was the wort version of herself as long as they were together.
A lot of people blame Emily and Richard for Rory's downfall but to me it was Logan influence and the world arround him she was obssesed with being part of his world. Emily and Richard always wanted Rory to be a journalist and encourage her academic success; they never wanted her to be in trouble or break the law.
Agree
But, we never actually see the evolution of Jess. He's horrible to Rory, shows up after over a year to beg her to run away with him. Then, the next we see him, he's suddenly settled down, successful, and supposedly knows Rory better than she knows herself. We never see that work or that connection growing. It's fan service for drama and not actual character growth.
@@elsafellows4399 just because we didn't "see" it happen before our eyes doesn't mean it's fan service. We may not have witnessed the evolution of Jess, but we see the result of it from season 5 onwards. Starting with the change in his relationship with Luke.
Just in the same way we didn't see Rory's evolution from hard worker to entitled woman who doesn't have underwear, sleeps with a man already in a relationship and ignores the man she is actually dating.
We didn't see THAT evolution either. But we take it at face value.
100% agree
The attempt of SA of Jess should’ve been a way bigger con for Jess, not to mention how he treats Lorelai even when he knows how much she means to Rory 😬
yes!!!!
17:59 3 cons? You basically put like 10 cons in one which is not fair, specially when the “thing” in kyle’s room is REALLY bad, at least the cheating with Dean was consensual 💀
Jason Digger was surprisingly my favourite fit for Lorelai. I thought they had a complementary sense of humour, they had the same upbringing, which led him to understand more than her other companions her difficult relationship with her parents (which is a huge part of Lorelai's life), he balanced her bubbly personality and she balanced his stiff one. I just was so sad that it went so wrong professionally with her dad because they were so good together. I feel like when there was a problem they would solve it so easily together and were really respectful of one another. I also think that, many years into a marriage, when you start to fall out of love and the passion fades, they would have developed something further that, a companionship that would replace it and make them last.
Also, he didn't treat her like a goddess who can do no wrong, it would have been good for her to have someone who makes her acknowledge certain behaviours of hers. I think they would have made each others be the best version of themselves without betraying who they really are.
I love Lorelai with Luke as well, but for myself I'd rather have the kind of relationship Lorelai and Jason had.
For Lane, obviously Dave. Lane and Dave would have been my favourite couple, and would they have made them the principal characters of the show, I would have been here for it.
For Rory, I thought Logan was the best fit. Same for Lorelai and Jason. They have the same upbringing, he doesn't treat her like a goddess of fairy, he helps her being more responsible and aware of who she is (the episode where he reminds her she is not from a poor upbringing and she had lots of privileges handed to her), he truly loves her AND appreciates her, it is not just passion. Like Jess, he has this passion for literature, and he could easily provide for her baby.
They really made sense together and bring the best from one another. Though, I have a sweet spot for Jess, and I love the way he matured. I just think he is too good for Rory now and deserves someone less egocentric. (I love Rory, I just think she is very main character, and I think Logan would appreciate that more, and that Jess could do better with someone more caring and empathetic) I mean, I never saw them discussing Jess's trauma.The abandonment, her mother's return like a flower as if nothing happened and that Jess overreacted... anything. They would only talk about Rory's problems.
I agree with every word you said.
This time after watching the show for the 100th time, I've realized how good he is except when acts a little needy and I realized how sweet even Alex was, even max who had his flaws was really good, lorelai, I do love her but she's quite selfish at times and Luke keeping her out of his daughter's life rubbed me the wrong way too. And Rory, God, how did she think that it was okay to treat her grandparents as horribly as she did when she dropped out of yale. Granted, they shouldn't have taken her in or supported the decision to drop. I think Jason was a great guy, honestly, smart, funny, not as loser like as Christopher, well, I guess no guy is as pathetic as Christopher on the show. Even 16 yo Dean was more financially stable and sound compared to the prince of Haydenwood.
Well obviously it's Paul Anka! He's the bestest guy. Loyal faithful loving perfect 👌 can't compete with the humans.
I'm glad you made Dave #1! I think he is the best guy on the show too. He cared so much for Lane. Zach was far inferior to him and it really felt like Lane was settling by being with Zach.
How the hell could you say Dave was number one. He wasn't even on the show that long plus he had no balls he was always kissing Mrs. Kim ass.
I feel like you put a lot of the cons Jess has in to one and sugarcoated his behaviour by saying he changed when you yourself said in the very beginning that this is about how they were to Rory/Lorelai in the relationship. I also feel like you could’ve taken in to account the way Rory treated Dean and that his anger issues came from something
He loved Rory but she only loved the comfort of him and that must have been scary for a 16 year old
Thank you for putting Chris last, I legitimately hate that guy 😂 And it’s interesting when Emily points out his character isn’t that admirable, he’s weak and wishy washy, but his “good breeding” has made him someone 🫢🤔
I feel like the fandom gives Jess to many outs just because he had a lot of growth. He was miserable and set out to make the people around him just as miserable when he dated Rory. His lows are way lower then his highs ever were at the time. To be fair I haven't watched A Year in the Life but if we're judging just by original series Jess outside of a few moments was a sucky person.
FR, i love Jess but he was the worst
I disagree, Jess was awful at the time they were dating yes that's true but also i feel like when a lot of people are talking about jess they ignore his upbringing. his mum didn't want him so shipped him off and from what we were told she didn't raise him that well anyway, his dad was never there and jess was forced to go to a town that hated him. the way the people of stars hollow talk about and treat jess I'd be miserable too going through all that. Jess literally got blamed for everything bad that happened to rory when they were dating and the town in general.
But people were actually right to blame him for most of the stuff 🤔
seriously, i rly cant get myself to like jess i dont know… their whole arc never gave me butterflies, it’s so weird seeing so many ppl like him i just dont get it ??? can smbody explain it to me pls
Exactly I’m so sorry but if you watch the series every single time he’s and Rory meet is soo so so cringe!! You just know he’s going to fuck something up and not even think. Yes, it’s not his fault he got that upbringing but he’s making a lot of effort to annoy Luke, everyone at school etc.. I so don’t get it :/
I feel like more cons should've been added for a few people (for example Jackson in the dance marathon episode) and in my opinion some of the cons that were mentioned could've held more weight
Luke hands down. He was always there for everyone. And he never expected anything in return.
They did Doyle so dirty in the revival.
drinking coffee out of my gilmore girls mug while watching this, kinda sad that logan was low but yea😭
Ah perfect way to watch Gilmore girls videos! I need one of those mugs
I get why Jason sued Richard. To me, the fact he trained his dog to just stand there and have no joy is a much bigger red flag.
I got smitten everytime luke’s on screen 😂
Haven't watched the video but came here to say its obviously Max.
I genuinely believe that Max Medina was THE ONE, but Lorelai was too caught up in avoidant attachment issues to see it 😥
He was one of the best men on the show for sure 🥲
Also the scene where he and Rory talk about how they both wanted him to be her stepfather 💔
I do agree with a lot but Zack definitely didn’t try to learn anything with the Korean New Years. He just sulked and complained the whole night.
I like Logan for Rory
How? She is her mistress!
The fact that you put so much weight on AYITL is just wrong. "The thing in Kyles bedroom". Uhm, that is called SA. Or at least attempeted SA is just so wrong on so many ways, that it is the biggest con of them all. And then him leaving, without as much as a word? No, just no. Jess might´ve grown up in between season 4 and season 6, but he was not the right guy for Rory. Just no.
He was actively pushing Rory to cheat or leave Dean since they met. I get he had issues, but he didn’t respect any boundaries so I’m not surprised he pushed her. He probably did it before to other partners.
jess was wrong, but AYITL is still relevant lmao
Overall I’m team Logan for Rory. I fell like they are equals and work together. (No matter how annoying both of them can be. Like Luke and Lorelei.) I didn’t get a good vibe from Jess until the much latter seasons and a year in the life. Even though I ended up liking him in the end, I fell like he is very similar to Max in that he’s too good for the Gilmore girl.
Luke>>>>everyone
I would like to add another pro for Luke. He was always there for Lorelai. He comforted her in season four after she had lunch with her grandmother, parents, and Jason. And broke down to him about everything that has been piling up and how she was gonna ask him for 30,000 dollars at their dinner.
Luke was a phenomenal friend. as a boyfriend... he dropped the ball a few times.
Just a preface, I hate AYITL and will not be including that in my summaries of each character.
Also just wanted to add that Chris was so disrespectful to Lorelai before they split, he acted as if the only reason she didn't want to leave stars hollow or have another kid was because of Luke, and not because of the fact that she raised her daughter in stars hollow and that it was her home, or the fact that he brought up the whole kids things randomly at night and acted like it would be ok, even though he was not present during Rory's life and Gigi was in Paris and he hadn't seen her in months.
Jason didn't listen to Lorelai when she told him to leave the weekend of the dragon fly opening (arguably one of the biggest moments in her career) and lied to Luke telling him that they were still together despite the fact that he was still suing her dad.
Max over stepped lots of boundaries put in place by Lorelai and wanted a larger role in controlling Rory's life despite her still being his student, also his entire proposal was so messed up.
Logan was immature throughout his relationship with Rory (so was she) but he actively wanted to get better, the reason why he didn't push Rory to go back to school and resolve things with her mother is because he has a bad relationship with both his parents and didn't entirely understand Rory and Lorelai's dependency on one another, he always showed up, he loved her through and through just like she did. Also Rory's decisions were entirely up to her Logan was not responsible for how she chose to live.
Jess went after her multiple times while she was in a relationship, and constantly egged Dean on just to get a laugh, I am not saying that Rory is innocent in that situation. He was an incredible toxic boyfriend, constantly putting his own problems onto Rory. He made her miss her prom that she had looked forward to her entire life, he left without a word and then came back a year later and told her he loved her then three months after that he shows up at her dorm as she is packing up for the summer and bombards her with his ideal situation, wanting her to go and live with him in New York. He is an asshole of a human being to be honest, he thinks he's better then everyone else cause he reads and has good taste in music, he treats most people around him like shit. And lastly and most importantly he SA'd her, and then never gave her any explanation as to why, I have seen people argue that it was just a misunderstanding, but Rory clearly says "no" "stop" and "wait" multiple times and the only reason he did was because she pushed him off her.
Doyle was an amazing person for Paris, especially after she was groomed. I truly believe that the only reason he even tried to kiss Rory was because he was incredible drunk, not saying that being under the influence is an excuse but it was not a decision that he made consciously.
I despise Lane's storyline, she deserved so so much better, so I inherently don't love Zach but as the seasons go on her becomes more and more likeable. I really hate the hole "him being jealous of Brian" story line, cause I just scream at my tv "WHY DON'T YOU WRITE HER ONE THEN!"
Richard does a lot of bad shit but so does Emily in the end of the day they care about each other and their relationship is equal, they love and respect one another, but more importantly care for each other. Even if they do so in unconventional ways.
I truly do love and adore how much he understands both Lorelai and Rory, I do really hate him in the valentines day episode as well, but in terms of the April situation, I can somewhat understand how his thought process the main and only one to blame during that hole thing is Anna, she kept April from him from over a decade and then got made when he wanted to see his own daughter.
I love Jackson and Sookie in the beginning but he became so unbearable in later seasons. It is like the writers didn't know what to do with him so they made him an annoying baby. I understand that the way Sookie brought up the vasectomy thing was wrong, she should have talked to him. But not only did he not get it after giving their second child the longest middle name ever!! HE NEVER TOLD HER AND THEN WAS UPSET THAT SHE WAS STILL MAD AT HIM LATER ON.
i love dave
Hahaha I love that no matter what everyone agrees we love Dave
Yes to all your points. Jess was super disrespectful and he was the real beginning to the cracks showing in Rory’s character. She became a cheater when she began emotionally cheating on Dean with him. Dean did shady things later on, but he took the breakup very well. At first anyway. Jess was super nasty to him and then all surprised when Dean started messing with him and then super insecure and disrespectful to EVERYONE. He never wanted to go to prom, town activities or to meet Rory’s family. I’m glad he grew up by the end of the show, but if I were Rory I would avoid him since there’s too much negativity there already.
Dave was cool.
Ahh with Logan there is a timeline and context with him. Rory changes him for the better and he becomes better for her. He truly loved her
The answer is kirk
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING JESS AS THE NUMBER ONE FOR RORY YESSS i genuinely do not understand how anyone thinks it can be dean or the rich kid they both sucked compared to him everything jess did was w pure intentions for rory & he genuinely loved her so much & like u said was the only one that really knew her, dean just liked the idea and obsession of her & the rich kid only liked her for his own egotistical gain jess was always the one
Luke is #1. In some of his actions, he is too good to be true
Lol Logan cheating on Rory reminded me of Ross and Rachel We were on a Break😂😂😂
I'd also add:
* Jealousy/Rage fo 99% of the love interests. Christopher, Dean, Jess, Luke...even some of the other male characters (like TJ).
* Zach .... I'm just going to say it, he wasn't on the same intellectual level as Lane. Overall a nice guy? Yeah sure but IMO they should have stayed friends. Because the way their characters are, I always thought it would be a relationship that would quickly fizzle out. So the wedding just felt like a bad plot point (not to mention the pregnancy). Plus, they didn't have chemistry
Luke. Next question. Consistent, loyal, good-hearted, and more of a father to Rory than Christopher ever was. The April stuff got messy, yeah, but I fault that more to a jump-the-shark plot line and bad writing than a flaw in his character. He was really just trying to do the right thing.
I don't see how being married for 40 years is a good thing, there are so many toxic and violent relationships that keep staying together for all the wrong reasons. Now, being in a HEALTHY marriage with good communication, respect and fidedility for 40 years, that is good. Richard and Emily, while yes they love each other, fight a lot, dont communicate well and its a HUGE red flag that richard didnt tell Emily about his female friend he was lunching for years.
This is the first video of you I'm watching and I loove the animation and the sound effects, especially the latter are hilarious :D you have a new subscriber
Woohoo! Thanks 😁😁
I love your video and I agree on so many things you said :) after watching it, I did the same (with the pros and cons) and, adding a lot of points here and there and I am pretty close to your racking.
I defer on some, like Jess. I am a huge fan of him, he is my favorit but for me here you talk about how they were as boyfriends so yes I put his abilities of growing and how he is after the break up a good influence to her but just for 1, maybe 2 points, but when he is actually her boyfriend he was, in my opinion, less good than Logan for example.
Also, I changed mi mind about Jason Stiles over rewaching the show and for me he is way better then a lot of the others. He can't sleep in the same bed then someone else, so what? I meen, I found Lorelai so difficult and alway wanning her way, about her habits, she compromise so rarely that I like about Jason, he has his own stranges habits and for once, she compromise and accept that every things can't be exactly how she wants. Also, she has her responsabilities in the break up, she clarely didn't was in love for choosing her father, who decide to back stabbing Jason, over him and he choose his carreer over her...
(My racking: 12: Christopher 11: Dean 10: Max Medina (wasn't that perfect: he compromise Rory's wellbeing over un crush and after rushed into a proposal without really knowing Lorelai...) 9: Jess Mariano (over overy thing else he did rong when he was with her, I really didn't like when he said that he attempt to activities of Stars Hallow when he wanted to get with her but now that he "has" her he doesn't have to do the effort ... and if you take point from Christopher for not understanding the relationship between mother and daughter, it's the same for Jess even more because he reject also Stars Hallow (i know he has issues thats why I care for him but that's still don't make him a good boyfriend), 8: Zach, 7: Logan, 6: Jason Stiles, 5: Doyle, 4: Richard Gilmore, 3: Jackson, 2: Luke, 1: Dave :)
Interesting ranking thank you for sharing!
I think it would be better to weight some of these pros and cons. While I don't think Dean, Jess or Logan were right for Rory, I would definitely flip Jess and Logan. Jess did encourage Rory but not really until long after they had broken up. He had anger issues too. He actively despised Stars Hallow, where Logan was ambivalent. He made it clear that he didn't want to take her to her prom or visit her grandparents. He did it eventually but complained a lot, making Rory feel bad for asking him to be part of her life. Logan at least made an effort to ingratiate himself to folks in the town when he met them, and definitely ingratiated himself to her grandparents. He wasn't a great influence on her. They're both so conflict avoidant that neither is a great influence on the other, but he also can't be totally blamed for her poor choices. She bears some of that blame. But most importantly, the thing in Kyle's bedroom was attempted assault. He tried to force himself on her. And he kind of did again when he visited her at Yale. He tried to convince her to leave Yale to live with him. He didn't listen to her even though she was in a lot of distress. How many times did she have to say no for him to hear her? He had the most character growth in the entire show and is probably the only character that became the best version of himself, but by that time he understood the damage he had done.
Thank you! I've been saying that Logan should not be blamed 100% for Rory's behavior and decision. That has always been the issue with Rory never taking accountability for her actions and always blaming others for her behavior and decisions.
I agree with most of this, but as an abuse survivor who's been through real gaslighting, PLEASE stop using the term so loosely. Having a disagreement about whether something counted as cheating is *not even close* to gaslighting. It's crappy, it's selfish, and may even be manipulative, but it's NOT gaslighting. Using this term incorrectly is hurtful to survivors and makes it a Iot more difficult for those going through it to recognize it.
Gaslighting is an act of abuse done over a period of time where the abuser INTENTIONALLY tries to make the other person believe that what they remember or know to be true isn't true. It makes the victim question their own judgment and has negative effects that last for years. It can literally make you feel crazy, like you can't trust your own memories.
Thank you for correcting me- I didn’t realize but now that I know I’ll be sure to not to make that mistake. 🫶🤍 sending love
@@Silverscreenfreak thank you for being so kind and taking my comment seriously 💜
your opinions are completely valid but i myself being someone whos gone through gaslighting and have also discussed about logan with other people on reddit, there are actually several people who are indeed abuse survivors and actually do find logans behaviour manipulative or in a gaslighting manner. and i know some don't view it that way like you do and thats totally fine too. everyone is entitled to their own opinions and doesnt mean im wrong or that youre wrong. only that, just cuz u dont see it as gaslighting doesnt mean others dont see it that way.
@@zumann874 being manipulative is different from gaslighting, and gaslighting is a very specific term with a very specific definition in psychology. It's more than an opinion, it's a specific term for a reason, because gaslighting has very harmful and specific effects on victims of it. I do think it's fair to describe his behavior as manipulative. But it literally doesn't fit into the definition of gaslighting. I've studied psychology and have especially done a lot of research and talking to professionals about the effects of abuse, so I have a pretty good understanding of these terms.
And at the very least, if someone is going to describe it that way, they should provide the correct definition of what gaslighting is and explain how they think what Logan did fits into that definition. Because otherwise they're spreading misinformation about what gaslighting really is.
My top 3 faves are Jess, Luke, and Richard, with Jess being my top fave.
Jess is so awesome 🌸
#SaveSoil #ConsciousPlanet
I think Jess' cons outweigh his pros.
He was in love with Rory yes but with the image of what he thought she was not with the real her.
He did not care that she was in a relationship.
He left without even saying goodbye .
He got mad and gaslighted her when she did not sleep with him.
He was super disrespectful to her family and friend : grandparents ,Lorelai ,Lane.
He did not participate in her life .(yes he went to her grandma's but he show out late and did not even try .
He was not reliable.
He had anger issues (more than Dean)
Both Jess and Rory have abandonment issues and IRL that would never work.
I think these are major REDFLAGS not just cute cons.
Even if he changed ,he could not undo the hurt.
They have very different backgrounds .Rory went to prep school, she went to Yale, Rory was also the heir of the Gilmore fortune and she also had a very rich dad.
I recon a few good things of Jess that I didn’t pay so much attention during the show but, when he was Rory’s bf he was awful. He confuses her mind so much and the show don’t show it too much but that kind of relationship at that age could have created a lot of insecurities into Rory. I see he is better when he grows up, but he’s not Rory’s love interest by that time, so. I feel with Logan, Rory faced independency and she’s not used to it, she is very co-dependency of everyone around her basically. Rory being around Logan makes her reveal who she really is, an influential person with her values a “bit” messed up (she started showing that downfall way before meeting Logan, when she first kissed Tristan, or when she kissed Jess, and didn’t act well after any of both situations) so for me Logan makes Rory be who she deeply is
Like giving Rory space to be who she wants to be is a really healthy sign in a relationship, for the first time a guy she was dating didn’t idealice her, he just let her be and loved her anyhow and he had his own path, for the first time she wasn’t with someone whose whole life revolved around her and she didn’t know how to deal with it (we don’t talk about Logan in AYITL)
Every list I see ranking these guys always negates Rory's personal responsibility. No one made Rory cheat 3 different times, quit school, steal a yacht, or take that stupid internship that would break her confidence solely because Mitchum wasn't up her ass like everyone else in her world was. Her momma told her not to take it but she didn't listen. It was her selfish privileged attitude that grew overtime that led to these things.
It wasn't Logan's job to make her go back to school. If Lorelai couldn't do it neither could Logan. That was her own journey. Logan let her be an adult and live in her decision while he continued school. Even the party boy knew he needed to finish school.
Jess came back for two whole episodes where we learned he wrote a book. That doesn't make him suddenly perfect.
Can we also remember that Dean was a 17 year-old boy without a fully developed brain yet people are expecting him to be totally mature and perfect at communicating. Many of the things people point out in his angry or insecure moments are a direct reflection of Rory messing with his head and stringing him and Jess along at the same time but gaslighting him every time he expresses concern.
You combined all of Jess's flaws into 1 con, lol. Your argument did convince me -- I rank Dean higher because he treated Rory better as her boyfriend, but you made good points about his anger, and about Jess's positive influence on Rory's life. But he had a lot more cons than you listed!
But guys, what about RUNE?! /j
List
1. Dave
2. Logan
3. Richard
4.Jess
5.Luke
6.Zach
7.Jackson
8.Doyle
9.max
10.Jason
11.Christopher
12.dean
Jackson and the thing with vasectomy is just unacceptable, hard to imagine how can someone put him in a second place considering that
From his side it showed total and absolute absent of care about his WIFE’s body and health (think of all the unfortunate consequences of pregnancy). In my opinion it’s a total betrayal
True but sookie loves him so much and they are a good pair. As I said this list wasn’t really about the men in general but them with the women they are with and she forgave him so I guess I have to too
For eg for myself what luke put lorelai through in season 6 is totally unacceptable for me, I really don’t like lying and him being uncommunicative but he is the best man for lorelai and she made her peace with it and they made up in the end
But she kinda set the precedent for doing that though? She was the one who originally tried to make him get a vasectomy without considering his feelings about it or how it could affect his body. Idk, I think it was crappy on both of their parts and I wish the writers hadn't stooped to that level for what felt like plot convenience and cheap jokes.
He definitely messed up not telling her but honestly, I think what she did was even worse. Trying to strongarm him into a permanent alteration of his body and future without asking him, talking to him or even give him a second to think about it? Imagine he had done that and told her he arranged for her to be sterilised on the spot when she didn't want to! Everyone would be raging for her to divorce him!
Yeah but if they are having unprotected sex the least he could do is tell her, hey I’m not ready for a vasectomy so we should be aware that you could get pregnant you know wtf I consider it abuse that he impregnated her without her consent
Be my friend you are so right. Team Jess
i cant believe you put jackson at number 2 ?!?!?!? does no one care about how awful his marital rape was to sookie like that man does not respect her as a human
It’s just so hard because I always felt like Lorelei and Chris’s chemistry is just so good, and I feel like sometimes Luke gets annoyed with her banter and doesn’t get it or reacts rudely to it ugh I hate it. And I feel like Chris grew a lot through the show, by the end he’s ready to be married and take care of Lorelei and Rory, I feel like the writers made us dislike him towards the end SOLELY so we can root for Luke and Lorelei, idk :/ I rooted for Chris and Lorelai the whole time
That was me too when I was younger! Their chemistry was🔥
Yes ,lorelai and Chris had chemistry as friends and lovers whereas her and Luke as a couple had no chemistry. They were just boring, it was awkward watching them, it was like their relationship was forced. The writers should have keep Chris and Lorelai married, alot better than her and Luke. Her and Luke getting married in the revival was like the revival itself awful.
It's so funny that Dave had a shorter screen time but boy was he an amazing guy and so handsome, well, all men in this video are handsome with his personality, it's such a bonus. Leighton meester on Gossip girl as Blair makes a snide remark about Rory getting into yale and what do you know, blair in real life marries rory's best friend's love, the one that got away lol. Leighton and him make a very cute couple.
I really want to watch this but I'm still in season 6 and i don't want to know spoilers so I'll wait till I'm completely done!
Actually I like that Logan was not comforting Rory all the time like so many of the other characters did. He was not okay with the fact of her dropping out of Yale, he wanted her to succeed her dream career and did not just settle with the idea that Rory was doing her grandmas job at the DRA. Also when Rory wrote that article about privileged people, he brought her down to earth when pointing out that she was not any different than all the people she was criticising.
Personally I wouldn't go for a guy like Logan, but in Rory's case I think he brings out lots of her best character traits. (Let's not include the NEW YEAR season). And they make a great couple that challenges each other in an uplifting way. Not to forget he even let her live at his place. I think that there are still flaws within their relationship/ their characters just makes them together more realslistic. And to point something out: he never bailed like Jess did. And he never forcer himself on Rory like Jess did. He has his bad moments but I think they are more connected to his Family problems. And last but not least: they have an understanding how it feels like being that privileged. Only Rory tries not to see it - because she doesn't want to portrait herself in that lense. Logan knows where he comes from and doesn't lie to himself about it. Still a di** sometimes tho.
But I never understood why marriage would have meant the inevitable end of their relationship. I think it might just been for the dramatic end plot. I like that Rory's end goal of the series was not getting together with a guy, but it was not really necessary to break them up either.
On paper it’s Richard. Yale alumni, successful businessman, devoted to his wife all his life.
Ngl I would've ranked Logan just above Christopher, from the first moment he comes into the story he hangs with a weird crowd, acts inconsiderate towards rory, runs away from problems and fights and barely ever really opens up to her, I think max and dean definitely deserve to be ranked higher bc they at least really committed to the relationship and tried to be better men for their partners
Dave was the best Gilmore Girls Guy!!
And he was the one for Lane!!!
I think my top 3 Gilmore Guys are: 3. Max 2. Luke and 1. Dave
How is this a question? It's Luke.
It's always been Luke hands down and if anyone doubts that they don't know Gilmore Girls. He was the only person to introduce himself to one of Emily's many maids. Luke knew how to humanize everyone.
YES DAVE WAS PERFECT and honestly tristian needed to stay too because I loved him and Rory together
Teams Luke and Logan😂 For some reason I never clicked with Jess. I know some people liked and wanted them to be OTP and thought Jess was better for Rory but would adult Rory be good for adult Jess. After AYIL I think he’s too good for her😎
I disliked Jess so much that it caused me to dislike Milo Ventimiglia, until "Heroes".
You left out the part where Jess didn't want to take Rory to a carnival, because he didn't want to put effort into the relationship.
zach above logan??? girl
dave is the best boy ever i was heartbroken when he disappears from the show with so much buildup i loved him so much. also, jess was one of the most interesting characters on the show (he’s my favorite character hands down) but he really wasn’t a very good boyfriend.
You say Jess wanted the best for Rory a lot. Meanwhile his communication and the fact that he was just leaving all the time let to her being extremely sad and anxious for most of the time in the show involving him. He definitely loves her and might even want the best for her. But the truth is he did not do a lot to make her feel at her best within their relationship. He was a troubled teenager and they were cute together for some time. I never forgive him or the show that he forced himself on Rory at the party because he was in a bad mood. Also they never discussed that moment any further. Yes he told Rory that she was stupid for leaving Yale and he wanted her to go back to her studies, but so wanted Logan. Logan as her current boyfriend at the moment knew that he would not get trough to her if he was saying it directly to her. At that point in her life she distanced herself from all the people she was close to when they started to talk 'sense' into her. Jess was the only person who got to her because he was not available in her life and she held a high opinion of his thoughts - which is nice but this Situation showed me that they had been growing apart for a long time already. He might have wanted the best for Rory but he took himself out of the picture and never truly came back to stay. So there is no chance in hell for me that someone who is not actually seeking out contact would be a good match for Rory. Because she tried, but he was busy with himself. They might have worked together if they met later in life but they definitely were not great at being a couple during the time of the show. He was hurting a lot and Rory acted stupid around him, not in a healthy way.
Jackson and Richard in the top 4 is insane
Team Luke
He’s the one for lorelai ❤
I feel Max should've been higher but the rest I agree with.
In my opinion Richard not even as a father but as a husband deserves to be ranked lower. It is true that he provided for the family and did everything the way he believed was right just like the way he was raised but it never seemed like he took a step back to reflect on himself and try to take another person's perspective. He is a very stubborn and old fashioned character and the way he basically made Emily's whole life seem unimportant is really disrespectful and doesn't seem like he sees upon her eye to eye
Christopher is a villain in this show. You should see how many people hate this guy on Instagram 😂
Damn this list is right. Point system immaculate
The biggest issue I had with Jess is I think he was a bit of a wonderer he did not want to stay at the same place for very long.
if Jess had the same upbringing as Dean he would've being perfect for her his fucked up ways was in majority bc his parents weren,t there he did have a loving stable home ofc he did'nt know how to love proprely young
I HEADCANON THAT LANE AND DAVE GOT TOGETHER AGAIN AND ZACH JUST..IDK DISAPPEARS
richard is last on my list. he's way worse than christopher.
He was totally disappointing in so many ways :(((
He's a horrible person.
A Big problem I think GG has is that once they want to create drama, they totally turn characters into assholes out of the blue. Dean had issues, but for the first seasons I was super team Dean, but when they decided they liked Jess better, they change him out of nowhere. Same with Luke in the April situation and many of the guys. Was never a fan of that
I'm not gonna say he's def the best guy in the show but I do think Logan was ranked too low. Some of those cons were things I hadn't considered before and I agree with you on 1. It being pretty uncool for him to not seem very interested in rorys life in stars hollow. And 2. Of course the year in the life affair was messed up, but that was also rorys fault. I think a lot of the other points about him being a bad influence on rory are unfair, she was an adult who could make her own decisions. I think he supported her better than almost anyone when she decided to take time off from Yale, he encouraged her to take breaks(that she desperately needed) I agree he was a jerk in the beginning, the way he treated Marty was messed up but I think he quickly grew, at least in that regard. I think over all rory and Logan had a positive influence on each other(excluding a year in the life, that whole arc was just wild) I think it was a wrong time wrong place kind of thing for them, Logan was learning to get his shit together(with rorys help, even though it wasn't her responsibility) but she just wasn't ready to do the same, even though I really think he would've been there every step of the way. What I truly believe is logans biggest flaw is the way he proposed to rory and after she said no the relationship was over. Wrong move for both of them I think. But that's all opinion and can be argued a lot of different ways, and I do understand why people don't like Logan, I just think he's not as bad as many people think.
What's not opinion and is just fact is that Dave was the best guy in this show and lane got cheated. Justice for lane, the show did her so dirty.
Jackson would've been tied with Dave if he didn't lie to sookie about getting a vasectomy, he went from on of the best to one of the worst in that one moment. It was super super gross and I lost all respect for him.
i have a lot of complaints about zack and i think he’s worse than christopher, but i totally agree with the other men, you were really accurate
Kirk!
Omg I forgot the second best couple!!!
Men I hate:Jackson, Richard, Dean, Christopher, Logan (he could’ve just been in the next pile but the revival showed there was no growth and he got worse)
Men I’m like…yea he has faults but I don’t hate him: Jess (he sucked sooo much at first ngl, but he was entertaining, not cruel just clueless & he grew so Ig…but he sucked lol) & Michel (dude should’ve been fired)(he might go to the “hate” pile)
Boring but whatever: Luke (his fault was the daughter stuff), Jason, Max
Love:Dave
I like this list!!
How do you feel about Zach? I really love your list.
Omg Jackson is so annoying and bitchy tho lol. Also you forgot Kirk! 😂😭 Dave and Jess are my favorites. Dave and Lane together really resembles my relationship with my boyfriend. 🥺 Except hes the drummer and I’m the singer songwriter lol. We have been together for almost 4 years now. ❤️ Dave is my favorite!!
if dave was the best gilmore girls guy and he truely loved lane then why didn't he make long distince work? olso dean should not have been soo low on the list because a lot of his cons were olso rorys doing and a reflection of rorys decisions and actions!
because dave's actor had to leave to show so ig the writers tried to make everyone forget abt him
No way Logan deserved better
Why wasn't Asher on the list ?
I cant believe that Jess near sexual assault is written off so easily for so many people just because he wanted the best for rory. Yes he grew and they were caused by a very damaging upbringing but the fact is he still tried to force himself on her because of his OWN problems. You don't treat ANYONE like that even with justifiable cause and he should not be forgiven just because we as viewers know what he's thinking. He also didn't try for her sake with the people she cherished, just like you said Logan didn't do either. I love Jess's character arc but I hate the praise he gets from the fandom because he belittled Rory so much even though his intentions were good. Both dean and Logan gave consistent love with much criticism from us while Jess gets praised for his inconsistent tsundere type of love.
And yes, my problem with him is his decision during his childhood but I think it's strange how forgiven he is.
Dave is the only answer
I'm enraged that Paul Anks was not #1 on this list 😭
You used a picture of Jackson without his beard. BIG MISTAKE.