US Navy tests 'AI-enabled' anti-ship missiles that hunt in packs
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- On April 3, Lockheed Martin and the US Navy announced a test of the AGM-158C Long Range Anti-Ship Missile (LRASM) in which four weapons were launched simultaneously to coordinate with one another en route to their target.
The LRASM is as advanced anti-ship cruise missile with far-reaching implications for maritime warfare. Let's dive into the details.
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Everybody's fine until a fucking cargo plane drops six hunter-killer AI missiles out its rear end 😂😂
when they admit something, than you can be sure they had it already tested long ago! Leonardo tested unmanned submarine in 2016, they navigate alone, can be parked on the bottom for a longer time etc!!!
@@thecityissleeping 45 means the PLAN will be a number of new artificial reefs.
@@thecityissleepingIt's just someone at the navy watching The Last Starfighter and going "wait, why DON'T we have a deathblossom button?"
@@thecityissleeping 🤣🤣ha ha ha ... it's called "bye bye" whoever is receiving these gifts!!!
The range is not big enough?
Stealth missiles scare me more than hypersonic missiles.
Intercepting a fast missile you know about is math. Tough to defend against something you don't know is there, or only know about too late to do anything.
Agreed. Probably won’t be long until we hear of stealth AI missiles also capable of hypersonic / intercontinental range.
Yea but the fun part about the US hypersonic are that they can actively maneuver, making ballistic trajectory calculations completely useless. I think both platform types are equally rad.
China should be scared.
Sure, but hypersonic missile can reach its target much faster. And that will be incredible important if we ever had to go against a near peer adversary that has road mobile missile launchers.. You can't detect and track the Chinese TEL vehicle carrying the DF-21 or DF-ZF and then strike it from the Virginia sub with a Tomahawk 30 minutes to an hour later.. But if that same TEL is detected and roaming around the Chinese back country, you can sure as hell smoke the damn thing with the hypersonic missile fired from the Zumwalt or from inside the F-35s weapons bay, arriving to the target 7 minutes later....
These missile are scary when deployed with mald decoys and jammers. It will definitely be a legitimate threat for Chinese landing ships
This. MALD is the unsung hero that pretty much nobody ever thinks about. A true force multiplier for these deadly weapons.
@@user-kl3lg7tf3n-anx1ous yeah everyone seems to think that missile will just be thrown into the defense. Mald can very cheaply add false targets with new one being able to jam if they see long enough to get close
Won't be used on their landing ships, but their assault ships that deploy the landing party. Could imagine the price so it shouldn't be used against easy targets. Frigates, resupply ships, carriers, and missile cruisers. Anything else would probably be dealt with inexpensive ordinances that are still capable and lethal..
@@yourfriend4104 that is mostly what I meant instead of the smaller ones
@@kameronjones7139it’s good to see ppl talk about military things even tho I’m not into it I just like learning about our capabilities and looking at comments like these go into depth
Saturating and overwhelming surface fleets just levelled up.
when they admit something, than you can be sure they had it already tested long ago!
Skynet: “Another find addition to my collection.”
The Rapid Dragon deployment is one of the coolest ideas that has made it into actual service that I can think of, recently anyway.
Well, yes, plus the Ukrainian sea baby drones which also hunt in packs. Who wants to sit in a billion door tub that can be turned into a sub so easily these days?
@@joythought my friend was a missile tech on a carrier, while we were fishing i asked him his impressions of the phalanx. I was expecting some glowing praise, but he said if that things going off you know a lot of other things went wrong. Point taken good sir.
The problem with Rapid Dragon, and the Navy's arsenal ship concept, is buying enough missiles every year to make those systems usable.
@@Kriss_L or for that matter the manufacturing capacity. Thats why willys didn't make all the jeeps they had designed, and ford did.
When the A6 was armed with the harpoon, she was a force to be reckoned with… this is type of firepower is overwhelming
It seems so obvious that increased production of long range anti ship missiles is strategically significant. At $3m per missile, with 1,000 copies annually, is only $3b. This is a small sliver of the defence budget, yet could have more of a strategic impact than almost anything else.
*LRASM #1:* _"I will take out ID:24; you take out ID:44"_
*LRASM #2:* _"Roger Roger"_
😊 At least that's how I *hope* their 'confirmation' response is programed as...
Only acceptable alternative: "By the Omnissiah, it will be done."
More like the Borg, a hive mind.
Make it so
Plus Plus
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the penetration tests you show are not for impact penetration of the target, but to check that the stealthy front radome can correctly pierce the storage canister barrier
That's interesting. How do you know that?
Since a ship's hull is vastly thicker than a shipping container, and that these won't be used against shipping containers (except maybe a _container ship_ that's a weapons runner)... I'm not sure I can buy into what you're saying.
Plus, even an armchair idiot like me would design them with the entire radar being IN FRONT on the hardened penetrator cone. The radome _doesn't _*_need_* to survive once it has started to impact, only the rest of the payload does.
But, as I said, I'm an "armchair idiot" and I'm likely missing something! 😅
_edit: And the next scene was what definitely looked like it was the formed nose cone of the LRASM! So I've indeed ate my words! lol I'm perfectly content to leave my error, though, and won't remove this comment._
They likely use a compound warhead, which detonates several times through the target, each shoving the remaining warhead forward. That's what Harpoon does (for the last 50 years). And it can be set to side-attack low by the water-line, or top attack, before release, to create a couple different sorts of effect on target.
So the physical attributes of the raydome vs steel isn't really at issue.
I'm not intimately familiar with the test being referenced, but I'd lay high odds that the "penetration" being discussed, is about hit-probability through opposition defensive systems. If I'm wrong, and it is about physical penetration, then it's probably more about making sure the retarders in the staged detonation work right.
Either way, as soon as it impacts, that radome is gonna be dust. And ships aren't thick enough to warrant 'bunker buster' type effects with armored tips (though that would be an interesting way to deal with _something-something_ ).
@@kathrynck it used the standard jassm bunker buster warhead that's doesn't do that. The harpoon warhead also doesn't do that and it doesn't have a top atta mode
He's just playing what file footage he has and is available.
Now we just need to scale up production and stockpile the shit out of these like they're tactical nukes during the Cold War
Agree
We do, and NOT give them to Ukraine.
@dextermorgan1 shut up, we don't. Unfortunately they've gotten no cruise missiles from us, get outta my comments with your ignorance, there's no place for it here.
Wartime: Uhh Amazon? Remember those 2 hour delivery windows? Gonna offer that to our troops now? 🤣
@@dextermorgan1Why not?
550 of them? So one volley of rapid dragon and we’re done 😂
So is everyone else to be fair
Per year.
Edit: 1000 JASSM derivatives in total. In theory, LRASM could replace all of those in production. At that rate, if no wars happen in 5 years requiring anything more sophisticated than a Tomahawk, we would have 5000. Also, Rapid Dragon only fires off a few dozen, so even 550 is a healthy amount.
Along with several navies worth of ships.
@@jeffbenton6183 exactly! And on top of that, these could be fired with swarms of less expensive decoys.
Useless at this quantity.
I think this system is by far our greatest asset in the Pacific. We need to buy more of these and get them on more platforms. I personally believe the best option is to get them integrated into sub launched VLS cells. If we equipped an Ohio class SSGN with 150 of these, that is a fleet killer right there.
Subs launch solid fueled rockets. The LRASM is an AIR BREATHING jet engine. That distinction VASTLY increases the complexity of its sub launch on at least two counts. First, it would have to launch with the sub on the surface, and in conditions where water wouldn't splash into the compartment and engine. Second, missiles INSTANTANEOUSLY produce thrust, and much more thrust than the vessel's weight. In contrast, the turbine takes time to spool up, and has to do so WITHOUT its intake or exhaust being blocked or restricted (by launch tube), AND it's thrust from the outset has to substantially exceed the vessel's weight. That is certainly not the case for an LRASM optimized for both long range and compact size.
They can be launched from surface ship cells, bombers, fighters, and soon land based launchers fielded by the army and marines.
@gregparrott Sooo you're just going to ignore the Tomahawk missile? It's an air breathing jet powered cruise missile that had been able to be launched form under water since the 1980s.
I am not trying to be mean, but you seem pretty uninformed on the subject. For VLS launch cruise missiles do us a solid fuel booster to get airborne then deploy their jet engine. This has been done on many kinds of missiles from both the surface and undersea for decades. They have even publicly said that this is in the works for LRASM
@@blueskiestrevor5200I think the subsurface launched LRASM never made it out of the concept stage, and even the VLS launched LRASM was axed a little while ago.
There’s no need for either. Subs have the new blocks of the Tomahawks that have anti-ship capabilities and virtually identical capabilities to the LRASM, and the surface ships have the NSM, which is an extremely capable missile in its own right.
@jonathanpfeffer3716 You might be right that it won't happen. But I am saying it should. Even with upgrades, Tomahawk and NSM are inferior to LRASM. I think the Navy should aim to completely replace the Tomahawk with LRASM even for land attack because after all it is based on a land attack missile. Standardizing one weapon would be preferable to the three or four we currently have. Again all this is my opinion for what it's worth
I'm acronymed to my eyelids! Must take nap, brain bursting from all ports!
Great reporting, Alex!
You mean you're ATME'd?
LRASM is worth adding to your list.
Alex Ive been following the development of the LRASM for years now and as far as I'm concerned it should be the #1 priority for American conventional missilery and all other conventional missile programs should be reduced if needed to field more of then ASAP. The LRASM is so paradigm changing it can, on its own, and if we have enough of them, deter a near peer Pacific war due to its smarts, its stealthiness, and its lethality. We need more of them ASAP and we need the ramjet powered ER version that will have double the range. Once we have these variants for aircraft, surface ships, submarines, and a land version for the Army and USMC, for our allies ?? I'll sleep a lot easier.
I love how they can target the most vulnerable parts of the ship.
It's great to see you again. I hope all went well with your eye exam.
Yeah, all 3 eyes are working fine. Thanks!
Merge LRASM with the lethal QUICKSINK JDAM. QUICKSINK are 1-2k pound glide bombs that dive in on ships & explode underwater, snapping the target in half.
I used to work on these in the early prototype phase. They truly are packed with tech. It was an incredible program to see grow.
That said, While I would love for more and more of these weapons to be built... they are designed to hunt ships. There really are not hundreds and hundreds of ships out there that would be viable targets... so the initial order is certainly appropriate.
Now, for other missiles and weapons in inventory... yes... pump those numbers UP.
We need to be able to build at least 400plus of these per year
What's is wrong with 4k yearly?
@@misonipeter4377 Cost and shelf life.
The “Rapid Dragon” system is incredible.
I wonder if those missiles will argue with each other over which gets to fly into the big ship in a volley of them at a group of ships? 🤣
You go.... No, you go first..... I insist you go first sir...... I defer to you... the target is closer..... was,,, its closer to you now.... 😂😂
Next Sandboxx video: Skynet has become self aware
Love our'e R & D. !!! Woo Hoo !!
Me too! Wish it wasn't so easy to steal.
Air launched AGM158A JASSM for Fighters is also only 370km because of weight restrictions especially for CAT launched Fighters...
AGM-158 is dropped by bombers, B-1 and B-52. F-35, F-18 and F-15 are all capable
There are no weight limits for U.S. aircraft carriers using either steam or electromagnetic catapult launching. The only restrictions are either or both the airframe and weapons pylons. I used to watch A-6's and F-18's take off from the flight deck with full weapons payload including topped off with fuel.
Only Bombers can deliver much heavier JASSM ER + JASSM XR at extended range while Fighters can't - especially Cat launched Carrier Strikers that LRSAM is intended for so the lightest 370km JASSM - with the additional weight of external fuel the limiting factor for Carrier Fighters required to deliver those missiles far over the horizon before the enemy gets anywhere near the Strike group to first strike or counterstrike - the reason for multiple variations with different ranges in service...
That isn't true
@kameronjones7139 What isn't true? Considering Fighters have so much lift for so much weight that must include external fuel to reach the theater and air combat weapons with maybe SPJ to survive the sortie...
LOL 4:25 “You gotta pump those numbers up…..Those are rookie numbers!”
I don't think the US Military needs thousands of these. They're anti-ship missiles but China production is going to take a nose dive and Russia shipbuilding has already dropped off a cliff. So, having about 1000 of these, considering they're air launched sounds pretty effective to me. It's all about how they're forward deployed.
thats what people thought about artillery shells, and now we are a few million in the red for those
That and close allies like Canada, UK, Australia will likely have a couple 100 each to contribute, this could very well be the major deciding factor in a Naval war vs China
This has to be the coolest thing you've shown us in a long time. Well done!!!
Damn your content is always good
Skynet says hello
Tell skynet I said hi.
it's almost like the Navy watched the latest round of Terminator movies and was immediately like "hold my rum"
"This is the voice of Colossus. This is the voice of World Control." 🤖
I love living in a country with a Global defense budget
We don’t get healthcare, but we do get scary levels of military power. Too bad the GOP wants to help our enemies rather than crush them.
Game changer anti- ship destroyer.
Wow at 51 seconds! I didn't realize it would retract its wings in a dive
Ever closer to true birds of prey
Ship killers for 2.3m are great and all, but we just gotta keep this from being 2.3m towards radio controlled drone boats lol
I agree. Somebody was saying we should get rid of all tomahawks in favor of these and it's like... no... cost control. Please. My tax dollars are crying.
I believe there’s currently a standing order for 10k Jassms. They should reduce those a bit for more lrasms.
Alex🇺🇸 thanks
Maybe we should just get national healthc...OH, WOW! THESE ARE AWESOME!!! ONLY 500??
Thank you so much for not being a content creator that insist that every report must be 10 of 20 minutes in length. You have 5 minutes of information and you made the video 5 minutes and didn’t stretch it out to excessive time with useless dribble.
US and Allied F-35s can feed target coordinates to LRASMs while the missiles are in flight.
Meaning even F-35B carriers/amphibs can direct LRASMs.
Well done.
Thanks Alex 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😉
Another great insight, Alex!
0:16 Hey, there, Devil Dog!
Just an FYI: I ALMOST marked this video to watch it later, but then I saw the video's length, and...here we are!
So...
Yessir; This new, shorter length video drew me into watching.
🤓
Imagine being a fisher between fleets, when the conflict starts
Come on Alex, why no discount code? I need a six pack of these.
Thanks for another interesting video.
You get a 6 pack free when you buy a C-130J from your favourite Lockheed Martin distributor. Just fill in your C-130 warranty form and send back with the prepaid envelope and your LRASM will be delivered within the month.
Love your videos
Fighter pilots make movies, bomber pilots make history. Now, tou can add cargo pkane pilots to the conversation.😊
Sounds AWESOME and I hope the range as is usually the case under reported in terms of its 250 mile theatre of operations.
Can't imagine China not wondering 'can't we do exactly the same thing?'
I want to reign down the pride of some Uber patriotic comments here. Just note, i think JAASM-ER is a Long overdue Cruise missile everyone needed. Its awesome.
This is not Novel. P700 Granit, Nato codename: "Shipwreck". Has ~400mile range. 750 kg warhead. Launched in salvo from 4-8 (hunts in packs) 1 rise to height to be the eye and search for targets and share with other missile with datalink. If the head is destroyed, others took its place. Developed in 1970s.TASM or AGM-84 aint have all that capability.
Sure it wont be launched from Cargo planes. But its deployed in Submarines, BEEG ships, and coastal batteries. And it took only 1 of them to sink an Aircraft carrier.
America ignored their Cruise missile tech tree for way too long.
i think its range is 400 k not 400 miles
@@wjm5972 and it was a massive logistics headache
@@kameronjones7139 which missle
@@wjm5972 p700
@@wjm5972 claimed 625km range.
Hmm, for really dispersed operations use a mini-Rapid Dragon fitted to V-22's.
Really that's a bargain price for that missile considering its capability. It's got to have a big brain and it has to avoid being hacked, and this is going to be a CONSTANT evaluation of the missiles. Considering a Tomahawk was a million dollar missile more than 2 decades ago this ain't bad.
Missile names then: sidewinder, pheonix, HARM
Missile names now: JASSM, LRASM
HARM is still the best missile name ever, and hats off to whoever figured the acronym out to make it happen.
There already are too many TLAs and FLAs (Two/Three Letter Acronym) (Four/Five Letter Acronym)
It's time to introduce the SLAs (Six/Seven Letter Acronym)
@@gregparrott Truth. Or just go back to using names instead of acronyms. Everyone knows what a sidewinder is, even though it isn't named ALTGAAM(air-launched thermally-guided anti-aircraft missile)
@@CptJistuce ALTGAAM? Can I appoint you as tsar of SLAs?
@@gregparrott I shall WTHP(wear the hat proudly)
Being a sailor is getting tougher.
Always awesome
As soon as these were "pulled off the table" for being so controversial, i knew they would get their moment to shine with the state of the world being as it is.
I never wanted to have to see them deployed, but I am damn glad we have them!...
Great. Wait till Skippy gives them personalities and they form a union next...
Sensational!
A great use for the ubiquitous C-130's !
I wonder if they could interconnect the LRASMs with JSOW-ERs. The LRASMs would control the JSOWs by sending them the GPS coordinates of the targets. Since ships are very big and slow targets maybe it could work. Also the F-18s can carry JSOWs on BRU-55/57 double launchers.
and this is way the US mi;itary is the best . . . thank ya, Alex.. your channel is one of the best.
Ordering more is the best way of reducing per unit costs anyway.
There was an episode of Star Trek Voyager that had a long-range , AI doomsday device they came across and later sent on its way. If we ever had that...
Simply determining correct targets and not doing redundant strikes would be huge.
@sandboxx I love your enthusiasm ! God bless you sir. 🫡 🇺🇸
Excellent!
Wow this is a game changer a true projection of power
As soon as you stated the order quantity I had the same thought you did. Need many more. And since they are AI controlled and interconnected, having a diverse use of sensor modalities would be interesting. Like maybe just one of a group uses radar while the others it is connected to use passive sensing.
1:11 WOW ! That is a very interesting snippet. It shows the little burble when the heavy missile is separated. I bet they had to update the fly-by-wire software for that.
COOL. !!!!
They do need more
Super cool
LRASM has a multiple types of.passive sensors that it can use to identify targets based on their emissions and such. It means its basically unjammable while retaining the "smart" capability otherwise achieved via datalink, GPS, and midcourse corrections.
Can’t see a single C17 ever carrying nearly 10% of the initial stock… that’s a lot to lose if it goes down for any reason, during war or peacetime.
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They cover everything military
Fantastic channel!
On CZcams
Can you do a video on Afterburners?
Alex, do you think it will be further upgraded to increase its range, closer to the ER’s range? If they do do you think they’ll extend the body of the missile or shrink some things? Also how do you think the production on these will be, you think they’ll ramp it up dramatically to prepare for China in the next couple of years? Why do they buy so few as well?
Wow, scary stuff.
Cargo pilots: We finally made it to the bomber big league boys! 😎
“It only takes one of these...”
It cost 50 billion dollars to fire this for 12 seconds.
The line between Drone and Missile is getting blurrier and blurrier every day
Each missile's cost could buy a mansion.
What do they do if they’re flying around looking for a target and they don’t hit anything???
Siri and Alexa arguing about which boats to target; what could possibly go wrong?
Would be cool if the US govt or Lockheed went ahead and opened a second manufacturing line in another NATO country. Work with the UK, French or German missile manufacturers to have a second production line running. That's not just more robust, but instead of selling missiles to your allies and having less, the US now would have well equipped allies and another factory to get more if need be.
Militaries have been using this same type of coordination with landmines for decades. An aerial application likely needs to be much more sophisticated.
It's literally black ops 2.
The terminator missile!
Someone who has consulted with DARPA and the CIA told me BACK IN THE '90s that the military was asking him about making small missiles and/or drones act like a flock of birds that can change direction and vector AS A GROUP, INSTANTLY. This mean some serious coding, communications and aeronautical engineering. The person was a brilliant guru in EM spectrum uses.
It should be called the Orca
Question, would active jamming that is more powerful than the onboard jammers of the missiles potentially scramble their tellemetry?
Crazy time to live in that a cargo plane can wipe out a surface fleet.
I have zero questions... outstanding brief! I value every video on Sandboxx without exception.
Also, according to the *excellent* series "Monroe Doctrine", the AI in these missiles may respond with the voice of Morgan Freeman....
It really comes down to who has the most high-end missiles to destroy and defend. Crazy numbers game...
549 LRASMs is suspiciously close to the number of surface combat ships a certain Asian country is projected to have by 2030 or so...
A "Wulfpack" like the Submarines in WW2
How awesome! But you you better hurry!
Sounds like a massively improved version of the SSN19 Granit. Unlike Granit, this would probably work.
Let us hope these AI enabled attack missiles never get confused about who is the enemy.
I mean ChatGP is just a more general version of "autocorrect" that gives me fits while typing.
Let us hope the military's software has better safeguards.
Can you please cover the m18 kamikaze drones boat the usa is looking into ?
"kamikaze front Boats" those used to be called Torpedos.
@@kdrapertrucker they are similar to what Ukraine is using
Meanwhile certain sea skimming boats go...Hold my beer. 😂
America always presents actual definition of weapons, not toys with "As seen on TV" stamps.