From what I can see, at 11:48 he's already loose and starting to spin. Looks like contact with the 62 car that actually started back in turn 4. He didn't move down on you or try to cut you off. He was about to wreck. You just finished the job. And as far as him being a lap down and running up there, that's just part of racing my friend. He's keeping pace with you. It's your job to find a way around him. Since he's able to run as fast as the leaders, he's under no obligation to just let you by. Is it the sporting thing to do? Yes. Is he an idiot for not letting you by? No. Hook up with another car and drive right by him on the outside. Or better yet, draft with him and work your way to the front. I'm glad I wasn't in this race. None of you can hold a line. I personally don't get the point of Carb Cup. There's no incentive to drive clean since it doesn't effect your ratings. I avoid it because of things like this.
That was what I thought, it's a courtesy to let faster cars through but if you're able to keep pace then you have a right to keep racing. Pretty much everyone involved could have done something to avoid this crash, but I would say it was just a racing accident, nobody really caused it but they all could have avoided it.
No matter what racing simulator you play, there are gonna be boneheads that think they can win it on the first lap or take out half the field trying to pass when it isn't appropriate. I hate these people.
I know it’s a very old video but this was your fault completely. You saw him swerving back and forth 4 times and yet you tried to get past him in a place where you had no room at all to go more left to avoid his swerving .. he is not at fault whatsoever. He’s just a bad driver or had problems steering his car with worn tires.
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The car in front had to lift cause they were bumping on exit of T4. You didn't lift in time while trying to draft. Also never lift, drag brake, then you lift you loose compression in engine at SS's. So never lift at a SS unless yellow. Other wise while drafting use brake to keep on bumper.
***** He stuck his nose in where it didnt belong, he actually had done that a few times and got away with it. When i saw it, i said the same thing. It wasnt the lap car's fault and he has no obligation to move out of his way at all.
I was thinking that too - that space he was moving into was only there in the first place because of the guy's mistake, as soon as he corrected it was always going to disappear. In fact, if OzSimRacing hadn't been there, chances are the guy would have overcorrected into the wall anyway - as it was, there was a convenient car-shaped barrier there to help him on his way... :D
It was oblivious this guy hadn't too much skills. When you see somebody like that on the track, you must be careful. But you didn't adapt your way to drive. This time, letting the foot a little bit looser on the gas whould have been positive.
A lot of people seem to forget that the blue flag is advisory only. He does not have to get out of everyone's way. He held the right to run with the front runners if he can match pace, which he was, to get back on the lead lap. If he was significantly slower than the group, then yeah, he should have yielded. The wreck was a racing incident at best. If anything, your car was not in the ideal position to make a pass while the cars in front of you were literally unsettling each other. The best thing to do there was to back off just a tiny bit, enough to give them room just in case they do wreck. If they wreck, they wreck, and you gain two free positions. It was a pretty rubbish race with all the swerving and other non-sense going on anyways. Also, bump drafting into a corner, not a good idea. That's my opinion anyways.
It's a racing sim. If you're playing these sims you're probably trying to get a realistic simulation of what it's like to actually race. Racers do that in real life, so people do it in games. There's no problem with doing it even if it doesn't do anything, and like I said said before if you cause incidents under caution or before going green you your iRacing fees are being wasted.
***** Fair enough. Thanks for giving an honest answer back. I disagree but your reasoning is sound. I've seen several people cause accidents doing it though. Cheers!
Tire temperature. Warmer tires better grip. Most racing sims have that. Live for speed has like r1 tires 60 degrees r2 80 and ect. It actually applies, its not just cause they do that irl.
+guspac88 you dont really have time to look at the meter values while racing so you place it so the indicator point straight up or in this case straight down when conditions are normal.
why is the 29 weaving so bad at 9:39, does he got his FFB up too high or some shit? Cup cars aren't that difficult to keep in a straight line, they all got power steering.
I cannot believe the amount of people who say it's your fault. You held your line. The person in front of you lost enough control that they fell out of line, allowing you to begin a pass by staying in your line. He tried to take that racing line back, and forced you out of it with contact. YOU ARE NOT AT FAULT.
I'm guessing many of those who thought the driver ahead was innocent drive just like him. "So what if I'm a lap down. It's all about MEEE!" Those who are a lap down tend to not worry about collateral damage. They've got less to lose than those on the lead lap.
you HIT the blue car in front of you in the bump several time, and you try to do the same with the white car...take off the gas sometime is not a so bad idea....who is the idiot?
No, not even. You can clearly see if oyu look to the left this guy held his line and then the white car came down. Look back at it and watch the yellow line, he is consistantly hugging it through that whole point meanwhile the white car is bobbing up and down, and regardless, a lap down car shouldn't even be there. It's illegal.
It's not illegal. Lap cars are as much part of the race as the leaders are. It is an advisory and a courtesy to move over, not a requirement. Sometimes a lap car trying to give courtesy will actually cause a wreck.
You normally turn the gauges so that when it's showing it's normal, good range, the pointer is pointing straight up. Do it to all of the gauges on the dash panel and it's easy to glance quickly at the whole panel without actually reading each gauge. All pointed up, you're good. We always did it that way, but I can't figure out what the hell he's doing with his tach. Now it's buggin' me! lol Edit: I played it again and watched the gauge. It might be that the wheel he uses blocks him from seeing the rev. limit, or whatever he wants to see, so he tilted it. Just guessing.
I mean, you see the cars in front of you getting squirrely, why not just lift a little to stay safe in case they wreck? No, instead, you didn't give a fuck and just floored it into the car in front of you that was getting sideways. Completely your fault for wrecking yourself instead of driving safe.
Where exactly in Nascar Racing (as a sport) is it a bad idea for a lapped car to run with the other drivers. Either I'm missing something, or this video is pointless.
You should have held back a little from the white car bro, he was an accident waiting to happen. Good race up til then, but i think you need to work on your lines and drafting technique more bro.
pretty sure you caused that. guy was still racing hard even though he lost already...he gets loose and you force your way right into his spot. all good though...just a game.
The wreck was your fault. However iracing would call it a racing incident. When they came off 4, they swung up and got back down in line, you thought if you when inside you would move them up and take his spot. The only thing i saw that was standard was you sticking your nose inside where it didnt belong. The lap car has no obligation to move or give you any spot because your on the lead lap..
Looked to me like the lapped car had run into the the car in front of him a couple times and lost control right before hitting the car we were riding with. If you look his rear end comes out and he is gonna shot down the track anyway. I don't think he stuck his nose in there, I think the lap car starting to slide lost speed and his nose ended up there next to him and he got taken out by the lapped car. I think he should have been ready to pass high with the way the lapped car was running into the guy in front of him, but I wouldn't say its this guys fault.
Kartkid024 It's definitely this guy's fault. When a car is loose or swerving like that, you don't try to stick your nose in and take the spot like that. That is a pretty good way to get your car totaled and get a bunch of drivers angry. He should have stayed back until he _knew_ he could safely take the position.
Kartkid024 Oh yes, I wouldn't trust a lapped car in Carb Cup enough to even _think_ of doing that. If it were Class A racing, you could definitely put more trust in the other driver unless he is being a complete imbecile.
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Just saw when this was uploaded.. But to be honest, white car aka 13:th Abelardo should´ve stayed clear being a lap behind. Its sportsmanship not to "joinín" on top 10 unless u have a take on 9:th.. 13:th and "joinín" with top 5 is just stupid.. Hope u at least wrecked his bumper. ^^
Yeah there's no rule that says you have to let cars by if you're a lap down, only if they're faster than you and he was keeping pace with the pack just fine.
Der Grammar Führer Unfortunately, way too many people don't understand that. I was doing Street Stock at Charlotte a few days ago, I was a few laps down because of an earlier wreck and was running with the leaders, never made any reckless moves... Then one lap, when we get to the back stretch the leader and #2 take the high side and I go all the way down to the yellow line, #2 has the momentum and dives under the leader to overtake him, slams into me and sends me spinning into the inside wall... And then he starts bitching to me about how "I shouldn't have put my car there" as if it was my fault even though there was an entire empty lane between them and me. What a fucking asshole. The respect between lapped cars and the leaders should go both ways.
+Seekay Yeah it's pretty ridiculous, most people don't know the rules. Tell them to read the sporting code if they have a problem, according to that it is the lapped car's responsibility to maintain a consistent line, and it's the faster car's responsibility to pass them safely, moving aside for faster cars (or cars that are a lap ahead) is only a courtesy, not a requirement, because there's times where yielding to them could just cause trouble for someone else.
From what I can see, at 11:48 he's already loose and starting to spin. Looks like contact with the 62 car that actually started back in turn 4. He didn't move down on you or try to cut you off. He was about to wreck. You just finished the job. And as far as him being a lap down and running up there, that's just part of racing my friend. He's keeping pace with you. It's your job to find a way around him. Since he's able to run as fast as the leaders, he's under no obligation to just let you by. Is it the sporting thing to do? Yes. Is he an idiot for not letting you by? No. Hook up with another car and drive right by him on the outside. Or better yet, draft with him and work your way to the front. I'm glad I wasn't in this race. None of you can hold a line. I personally don't get the point of Carb Cup. There's no incentive to drive clean since it doesn't effect your ratings. I avoid it because of things like this.
That was what I thought, it's a courtesy to let faster cars through but if you're able to keep pace then you have a right to keep racing. Pretty much everyone involved could have done something to avoid this crash, but I would say it was just a racing accident, nobody really caused it but they all could have avoided it.
No matter what racing simulator you play, there are gonna be boneheads that think they can win it on the first lap or take out half the field trying to pass when it isn't appropriate. I hate these people.
Well said mate.. These types of people are real dick heads and have no place being anywhere near a computer let alone a sim lol
Thank you! I deal with people that do that all the time on other racing games.
He can't hold a line, sure. But you did stick your nose in there. Wasn't the best move.
You should have anticipated that wreck. I saw it coming a mile away, dude was unstable and a little off the gas would have meant finishing the race.
no joke ur seriously good, it was so intense watching how awesomely you had control over the cr
honestly you saw them hitting the apron you should've backed off and you wouldnt have gotten wrecked no hate though nice vide :)
I know it’s a very old video but this was your fault completely. You saw him swerving back and forth 4 times and yet you tried to get past him in a place where you had no room at all to go more left to avoid his swerving .. he is not at fault whatsoever. He’s just a bad driver or had problems steering his car with worn tires.
lol lot of folks in this race make turning left look very hard. is this a rookie race event?
***** cool
Pretty hard hit man.
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yes its true he should yeild, but he didnt cause the wreck
The car in front had to lift cause they were bumping on exit of T4. You didn't lift in time while trying to draft. Also never lift, drag brake, then you lift you loose compression in engine at SS's. So never lift at a SS unless yellow. Other wise while drafting use brake to keep on bumper.
That's one long ass last name
your fault for that accident btw
how and why
***** He stuck his nose in where it didnt belong, he actually had done that a few times and got away with it. When i saw it, i said the same thing. It wasnt the lap car's fault and he has no obligation to move out of his way at all.
I thought he hit side of the nose that causes that car won't work, I'm glad he saved that car
CaptFacePwn that is true, it looked like the #2 lifted for a split second cause of a slide and he put his nose in there and should have.
I was thinking that too - that space he was moving into was only there in the first place because of the guy's mistake, as soon as he corrected it was always going to disappear. In fact, if OzSimRacing hadn't been there, chances are the guy would have overcorrected into the wall anyway - as it was, there was a convenient car-shaped barrier there to help him on his way... :D
You need to sack the person who installed your tacho upside down :D
What happened to the car in front of you in turn 1 on lap 4???
Why K/PH and a foreign spotter accent for a NASCAR race?
In Australia we do not use MPH
As I always say, Leuel should spend his time driving a golf ball, not a race car.
He’s a Liverpool fan explains the whole story
It was oblivious this guy hadn't too much skills. When you see somebody like that on the track, you must be careful. But you didn't adapt your way to drive. This time, letting the foot a little bit looser on the gas whould have been positive.
why is the tach upside down?
A lot of people seem to forget that the blue flag is advisory only. He does not have to get out of everyone's way. He held the right to run with the front runners if he can match pace, which he was, to get back on the lead lap. If he was significantly slower than the group, then yeah, he should have yielded. The wreck was a racing incident at best.
If anything, your car was not in the ideal position to make a pass while the cars in front of you were literally unsettling each other. The best thing to do there was to back off just a tiny bit, enough to give them room just in case they do wreck. If they wreck, they wreck, and you gain two free positions.
It was a pretty rubbish race with all the swerving and other non-sense going on anyways. Also, bump drafting into a corner, not a good idea.
That's my opinion anyways.
Haha 6:13 I saw Liverpool and I got a notification about Liverpool hospitality packages on sale
Well, you went for the gap
what's up with your rev counter?
YOU ALMOST GOT IT UNTIL YOU CRASHED
Why are you swerving your car left and right? It does nothing in iRacing except put you and others at risk.
Lol, waiting for green? If someone is dumb enough to hit a swerver before going green they probably shouldn't be racing.
***** I'm still not sure why you're swerving?? It just puts yourself and everyone else at risk. You never answered that question.
It's a racing sim. If you're playing these sims you're probably trying to get a realistic simulation of what it's like to actually race. Racers do that in real life, so people do it in games. There's no problem with doing it even if it doesn't do anything, and like I said said before if you cause incidents under caution or before going green you your iRacing fees are being wasted.
***** Fair enough. Thanks for giving an honest answer back. I disagree but your reasoning is sound. I've seen several people cause accidents doing it though. Cheers!
Tire temperature. Warmer tires better grip. Most racing sims have that. Live for speed has like r1 tires 60 degrees r2 80 and ect. It actually applies, its not just cause they do that irl.
was it Keselowski?
I always wonder why people rotate their tachometers like that. What is the reason?
+guspac88 you dont really have time to look at the meter values while racing so you place it so the indicator point straight up or in this case straight down when conditions are normal.
+guspac88 all the rpm's under 7k dont matter...
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12:03 You mean that son of a bitch didn't wreck too?
why is the 29 weaving so bad at 9:39, does he got his FFB up too high or some shit? Cup cars aren't that difficult to keep in a straight line, they all got power steering.
Holy Rookies batman
What is your reconding device
I cannot believe the amount of people who say it's your fault. You held your line. The person in front of you lost enough control that they fell out of line, allowing you to begin a pass by staying in your line. He tried to take that racing line back, and forced you out of it with contact. YOU ARE NOT AT FAULT.
It's not his fault but he should have noticed that the people in front of him were starting to wreck a little in turn 4 and should've backed off
*****
With his velocity, he would've passed the wrecking cars if that other car didn't try to take back his line.
I'm guessing many of those who thought the driver ahead was innocent drive just like him. "So what if I'm a lap down. It's all about MEEE!"
Those who are a lap down tend to not worry about collateral damage. They've got less to lose than those on the lead lap.
you HIT the blue car in front of you in the bump several time, and you try to do the same with the white car...take off the gas sometime is not a so bad idea....who is the idiot?
+straccio Can't really let up in Carb Cup, you'll never get back up front.
+RhapidFyre Better to just crash out. Good call.
+Matt Goodwin in carb, yup
No, not even. You can clearly see if oyu look to the left this guy held his line and then the white car came down. Look back at it and watch the yellow line, he is consistantly hugging it through that whole point meanwhile the white car is bobbing up and down, and regardless, a lap down car shouldn't even be there. It's illegal.
It's not illegal. Lap cars are as much part of the race as the leaders are. It is an advisory and a courtesy to move over, not a requirement. Sometimes a lap car trying to give courtesy will actually cause a wreck.
Could someone explain why the rpm gauge is rotated?
You normally turn the gauges so that when it's showing it's normal, good range, the pointer is pointing straight up. Do it to all of the gauges on the dash panel and it's easy to glance quickly at the whole panel without actually reading each gauge. All pointed up, you're good. We always did it that way, but I can't figure out what the hell he's doing with his tach. Now it's buggin' me! lol
Edit: I played it again and watched the gauge. It might be that the wheel he uses blocks him from seeing the rev. limit, or whatever he wants to see, so he tilted it. Just guessing.
Carb Cup?
FUCKING LAPPED CAR-
I mean, you see the cars in front of you getting squirrely, why not just lift a little to stay safe in case they wreck? No, instead, you didn't give a fuck and just floored it into the car in front of you that was getting sideways.
Completely your fault for wrecking yourself instead of driving safe.
dat terrible brightness
yeah i had an issue when rendering that video
5:40 no not so much, normally.
Guy was all over the place was way too aggressive for being a lap down
Where exactly in Nascar Racing (as a sport) is it a bad idea for a lapped car to run with the other drivers. Either I'm missing something, or this video is pointless.
Courtesy or not, there is no rule that requires it. Protesting would be as pointless as this video.
lol, i'm in this race, I'm Dylan ecclestone2
I liked the part when you disconnected ;D
rage quit haha
Dylan Ecclestone :P
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cool
that was all u
You should have held back a little from the white car bro, he was an accident waiting to happen. Good race up til then, but i think you need to work on your lines and drafting technique more bro.
3:28 did anyone else notice it says 302 on the bottom left corner lol
302 km/h so 187 mph
pretty sure you caused that. guy was still racing hard even though he lost already...he gets loose and you force your way right into his spot. all good though...just a game.
wheres the caution?
It was just Carb Cup. No points here
Omg The Ear Rape
The wreck was your fault. However iracing would call it a racing incident. When they came off 4, they swung up and got back down in line, you thought if you when inside you would move them up and take his spot. The only thing i saw that was standard was you sticking your nose inside where it didnt belong. The lap car has no obligation to move or give you any spot because your on the lead lap..
Looked to me like the lapped car had run into the the car in front of him a couple times and lost control right before hitting the car we were riding with. If you look his rear end comes out and he is gonna shot down the track anyway. I don't think he stuck his nose in there, I think the lap car starting to slide lost speed and his nose ended up there next to him and he got taken out by the lapped car. I think he should have been ready to pass high with the way the lapped car was running into the guy in front of him, but I wouldn't say its this guys fault.
Kartkid024 It's definitely this guy's fault. When a car is loose or swerving like that, you don't try to stick your nose in and take the spot like that. That is a pretty good way to get your car totaled and get a bunch of drivers angry.
He should have stayed back until he _knew_ he could safely take the position.
ZBTEproductions so you think he put too much trust into the driving ability of the other car. Guess it appears that was true.
Kartkid024 Oh yes, I wouldn't trust a lapped car in Carb Cup enough to even _think_ of doing that. If it were Class A racing, you could definitely put more trust in the other driver unless he is being a complete imbecile.
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AffinitiGaming Dude it was your fault.You just want to blame it on somene els. The lapped car was not even close to causing it.
Bossmanbro14 Clearly the lapped car came down on him.
No he did not bud. :)
Wite car wasnt lapped car
+Bossmanbro14 yes he did bub. He held his line :)
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Just saw when this was uploaded.. But to be honest, white car aka 13:th Abelardo should´ve stayed clear being a lap behind. Its sportsmanship not to "joinín" on top 10 unless u have a take on 9:th.. 13:th and "joinín" with top 5 is just stupid.. Hope u at least wrecked his bumper. ^^
Yeah there's no rule that says you have to let cars by if you're a lap down, only if they're faster than you and he was keeping pace with the pack just fine.
Der Grammar Führer Unfortunately, way too many people don't understand that. I was doing Street Stock at Charlotte a few days ago, I was a few laps down because of an earlier wreck and was running with the leaders, never made any reckless moves... Then one lap, when we get to the back stretch the leader and #2 take the high side and I go all the way down to the yellow line, #2 has the momentum and dives under the leader to overtake him, slams into me and sends me spinning into the inside wall... And then he starts bitching to me about how "I shouldn't have put my car there" as if it was my fault even though there was an entire empty lane between them and me. What a fucking asshole. The respect between lapped cars and the leaders should go both ways.
+Seekay Yeah it's pretty ridiculous, most people don't know the rules. Tell them to read the sporting code if they have a problem, according to that it is the lapped car's responsibility to maintain a consistent line, and it's the faster car's responsibility to pass them safely, moving aside for faster cars (or cars that are a lap ahead) is only a courtesy, not a requirement, because there's times where yielding to them could just cause trouble for someone else.
Just seemed like bad luck, not really anyone's fault
sensitive people shouldn't play this game.