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I don't see how any of this would in any way stop a bad guy from simply taking the lower from the featureless gun and putting a standard grip on it and then going to town with the 30 round mags. This just all seems to be annoyances for law abiding citizens. FYI, I live in Texas.
Us Californians agree.
Yep.. Like why
It doesn’t stop them just buying a lower at the ffl and ordering an upper separately and putting it together at home.
California agrees...f.cking bs for legal carriers...guy breaks in your house with 30 mag with regular grip, and you struggle changing the magazine and get shot inside your home protecting your family...it is the law...nothing can be done but obey as good citizens...
Or they could "cross state lines" like Rittenhouse did.
“Feel good laws” which certainly make them more operationally dangerous.
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Lawmakers be like "let's make guns safer by making them actually more unsafe to use them. Like, how about we don't let them grip the rifle properly or let them add some buttons?!"
Great info. Thanks!
beautiful explanations. thank you
Good info.. thanks alot.
They actually had those rules in Ca since 05. We used to call that thing a "duck foot" on the grip.
Just noone complied until Grewsome became the premier of our state.
Reading through these comments there are obviously good arguments for both setups. I'll just share my opinion for the f of it... I like featureless better because of the fact that I can use my freedom week magazines and if I have a malfunction I can very quickly and easily remedy them, also if I ever travel out of state I can simply swap my pistol grip on and remove my stock stop and boom it's a regular normal AR.
Got no choice, all the work is here
Futureless is more like it!💪🏻🇺🇸
I have one of each compliant versions allowing me the best of both liberal worlds.💪🏻🇺🇸
Maybe leaving the state would be the smart option
I have two AR's and I live in California; I don't why you abide by these ridiculous laws. no one is goings to say anything if you go to the range.
@@thomasjefferson4662 not an option for everyone
@@buddyrebel_Garciayou go to indoor or outdoor range?
@@bryanherrera9549 go to outdoor they don’t look over you like indoor ones
I went featureless. Hate the idea of having to break the action. I just changed the grip (legally)or dealt with the fin.
What do you mean you changed the grip legally? I don't like the fin grip at all lol
@@bryanherrera9549 Featureless Grips are definitely the way to go in place of a Fin. There are quite a bit of options available for you to choose from.
@@bryanherrera9549check out the Thordsen FRS-15 Gen III grip stocks.
@@xoxogiselleThis applies to NY too right? As long as I have featureless, I can change mags and have larger capacity?
@@limitedhangoutlive You can't have a > 10 round mag on any semiauto in NY no matter what the configuration of the gun is.
I’m going to give some perspective as a NY resident (far from the city). I want to say that as far as I know the mag lock featured in the video is not confirmed to be legal but I could be wrong. I personally went fixed mag using a 10rd P Mag and a more or less permanent lock as I have other options for defense. I can still clear a jam by pulling the bottom off of the mag and removing the spring/follower. So it’s not entirely impossible to clear with a fixed mag, just more time consuming and something to be aware of when using fixed as an option for defense.
Ar mag lock mag catch itself is ok and better than the juggernaut tactical however i recommend the houqe freedom fighter and king pin best set up
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To my understanding “10 round Fixed Magazine” allows someone to have ALL features and not just two.
For new AR owners, the questions are, do you have any legal mags that hold more than 10 rounds, and do you want this to be your defensive gun? If you don't intend it to be your main defensive gun, and you don't have 10+ round magazines, why would you want "featureless"? The best option in my opinion is using the CompMag "fixed mag" option so you can have all of your other features, since the magazine is easily reloaded and doesn't rely on you having extra magazines. For added value, buy the CMMG 22lr conversion kit, when you swap the bolt and remove the CompMag, it is still in a legal configuration as rimfire rifles are exempt from the "AW" ban. This configuration has the added benefit of your magazine being your compliance part and is easily removed if the "AW" ban is lifted.
You need to make a video.
@@thunkjunk I second this.
Comp mag is horrible for defense…. Just get the featureless the fin grip is not as bad as it looks you can still hold the gun with one hand
I've tried all the fin grips, and in my opinion, they all suck. The best thing you can do for the AR platform on a featureless AR is putting a Thordsen FRS-15 Gen III grip stock on it. I'll always favor a featureless vs. a fixed mag version.
@@michaelneuharth9716 I've tried both, Thorsden stock is infinitely better. It's a bit ugly, but functionally, it's the same as any fixed stock AR.
I could not get used to the fin grip. I ended up going fixed mag especially when I found out about the ar maglock with the kingpin.
So you are willing to bow down instead of going elsewhere with lower taxes and more gun rights?
@@thomasjefferson4662 call it what you want but it’s not easy to just up and move your life somewhere else for everyone
@thomasjefferson4662
So run away?
it really is tbh.. ur just lazy.. plus if you cant even afford to move u definitely cant afford California! not everything is about sunshine and high taxes.. not the best life man @@jay_1152
@thomasjefferson4662 gun rights, sure, but there are high taxes everywhere. Just on different things.
As a Californian and a liberal gun owner, California feels like that one annoying teacher that puts in rules that make no sense but they do it because they can. Honestly - if the main goal here is to stop gun violence, fixed or featureless does not do it all. It would make more sense to have better background checks, a safety training and a license to own ARs. Just like how if you want to drive a specialized vehicle, you need license and training.
i'll never understand the thought process, making it legal to own an unsafe weapon. people will never seem to understand that if you were wanting to break these policies, it would be as easy as it is to purchase anything illegally. making it harder to purchase options that are mostly used in shooting sports makes no logical sense. driving is inherently dangerous, it CAN kill someone. why are we still allowed to own fast cars?
the real reason is so we cant have better weapons than the military, so we cant overthrow the government in cali
Have none of you heard of Thordsen stocks? No fin on a featurless rifle, and surprisingly comfortable to shoot. If your thinking featureless check them out.
I agree with you 100%. Best CA legal grip for a featureless AR15 hands down.
Great video, do you have a video for installing the kingpin with the gen4 mag lock?
czcams.com/video/5SQOKzo9ntI/video.htmlsi=Bgkbs5U4fSSyt3pW
Does the featureless rifle have to have the compensator pinned & welded in place?
So question , what if you buy a FIXED MAG AR-15 but with a CompMag but without the kit to open the lower and upper to drop the mag ? Is that considered a assault rifle ? CompMag and no hellfire kit / kingpin kit ? Whatever it’s called ? Also if having the CompMag on and say for example you have standard capacity magazines you bought from freedom week can you take the comp mag out and put a standard one in ?
You can have a flash hider on mag mag locked rifles.
Hello, which featureless grip do you have on the featureless ar in this video?
Fixed all the way
What type of description should I look for online, or if I go in person to a gun shop, if I want to buy an AR-15 with the AR Maglock and kingpin with fixed mag rather than buying the fin featureless AR-15? I really don’t like the fin at all. 🤔
What AR's are you both using in the video?
i'm glad i live in a free state.. those restrictions suck
Does a bipod count as an evil feature? If you have a featureless rifle?
Are Barrel shrouds legal in ca?
do you need a takedown pin??? my ar is shipping with ar maglock gen 2 but no pin installed ? what should i do?
new owner here thank you
where does it say you cant use a standard capacity magazine with a fixed mag design? Also where does it say with a fixed mag you can only have 2 "evil" features?
Wait.. you can only have 2 features? I see them sold in stores with mag locks that have VFG, collapsible stock, pistol grip etc.
There’s a third option but no one wants to do it ☹️
can you have a muzzle brake on the fixed AR?
Can you purchase one and "convert" to the other freely?
Also on the featureless you can't have a threaded barrel, can you?
Juggernaut makes a grip that sits above the action and that’s the best setup for featureless
You should check out Thordsen FRS-15 Gen III grip
I rather just register one of them and have it just Like you have an AR living in Texas. I brought over my rifles from Utah and I just registered them and I’m good to go.
Dark guns held in front of dark shirts makes it difficult to see what’s being demonstrated
What about compmags fixed solutions?
i went with featureless...i dont mind the fin grip
What's that fin grip?
I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure you can have a flash hider on a fixed mag set up.
The CompMag is a much easier way to go with a Fixed mag.
Proud to live in the Free State of Georgia!
So do any of those safty features make the bullet come out less deadly by reducing muzzle energy and velocity? I'm really happy I don't live in Cali.
I like my non-adjustable stock and wouldn't mind a rifle grip for my AR, I'm just used to them over pistol grips. But that's just my preference and cuz i know my length of pull.
All other "featureless" nonsense is just nonsense.
Thank you, Brandon, for using the right words "standard capacity magazine" and not high or other dumb words used by political dictators like Newscum
Those fins....Dump the fin and add a Sparrow or Resurgent grip.
I got both but my featureless does not have the pistolgrip with a fin mine is more like 45° and your tumb does go around the pistolgrip easy to use better than the one with all the features
Resurgent or Sparrow? Resurgent seems to have stopped making theirs and there are doubts as to Sparrow's legality.
Thordsend stocks are a great solution to featureless rifle. No fin required.
So I can have a 30 round mag on a featureless? Or did I hear that wrong
im glad I live in texas.
I thought Washington was hardcore liberal but this takes it to a new level. Adjustable stock or not, pistol grip or not, flash hider or not, it’s the same fcking rifle. I don’t understand how removing those features changes anything. There’s absolutely nothing remotely close to this in Washington sort of the new 10rd mag limit but whatever, drive 20min and buy them in another state.
You cant buy a gun in another state though. Well technically you could but it has to ship to an FFL in CA and they wont even do it since it wouldnt be compliant with commiefornia.
this didn't age well...
Can’t you just get that angled grip that leaves your thumb above the trigger? For the featureless.
Why you say “we are not allowed to have flash hider” even on a fixed-magazine one?
Meanwhile, over here in Arizona we can have an AR-15 in its true form instead of these bastardized versions. Between the two though, the featureless is worse.
Question guys! The one with the maglock: What happens if the magban gets dropped in a couple of days? Can I then do the 30rd mags on that or is it still bound?
You may want to look at the assault weapon ban as I believe that is more related to that "law" and not the magazine law.
You can only use the 30 round mag with the featureless rifle. I’m actually going to start looking for a 30 round fixed magazine. 😅
"Compliance to Dictators." LMFAO
Is there a minimum size for the stock and the length of the barrel In California or elsewhere?
Not positive, but overall length of the weapon must be (at least) 26” and the barrel must be 16” or greater. I’m pretty sure of the barrel length and “sort of” sure bout the overall length. Bottom line is it can’t be “short”.
Featureless is better, since if SHTF you can just "accidently" lose the fin grip.
Or if you get a comp mag fixed mag and then just drop the mag when shtf
Good info video but terrible lighting. I've been running the Juggernaut Hellfight kit for years, it works great. If you ever get a double feed, just remove the front takedown pin drop the mag and the rounds fall out. The Mag-lock rear takedown pin design is IMOP a huge PITA when you want to completely open the action. Trying to get a fingernail in to push the detent pin back was just about impossible. I guess you get use to it over time but that design feature made it a no go. The Maglock magazine release design is what I would call "ideal" either. The wedge to release the magazine is basically just gouging your lower all the time. I get it, these guns a just tools after all. However if there is an option out there that can do the same thing without f*cking up my lower, I'm going with that.
"To make it less stable"
Exactly, lmao, they make the gun more dangerous for everyone
this video is wrong. two evil features is incorrect, and you can have a flash hider on a fixed mag rifle.
ah. another gun loving Ernie. 🫡
Oh yeah I’m sure that somebody getting ready to go and commit violent crimes is going to make sure their firearm is compliant with the law. Dictators need to go have their self a nice long swing
So the rifle with the fix mag as seen here is legal in California?
You make it seem pretty easy to release the mag.
How will they know if u changed the features
They won’t unless they have a reason to inspect your firearms i.e. your house gets robbed and you call police.
Are you sure about only being able to have two (2) evil features on a fixed mag California compliant rifle?
I don't think that is true, you can have more than 2
I was thinking the same thing .. I have all the evil features on my maglock ar
Yes, this is largely exemplified when people have fixed mag rifles with a pistol grip, collapsible buttstock, but then put a muzzle break on their rifle. The pistol grip and buttstock add up to two features.
I have never heard this one before and this just goes to show how freaking ridiculous this is. It’s impossible to follow the laws if they are impossible to understand/make sense of or keep up with. They do it on purpose so they can nail us with a gun felony on a technicality. It pisses me off
@@TRBTrainingAre A2 flash suppressors okay?
What hand grip is on the featureless rifle??
A Fin grip most dumbest and not so safe
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For the fixed mag configuration why are you still using the full-size mags when limited to 10 rounds? Better off using an actual 10 round mag. Less bulk, less weight, carry more of them
These are just as ridiculous as the glocks in the UK with the stupid poles sticking out the front and back to add length
Someone please tell me when is freedom week ?
Freedom week 2.0 isn't happening you need to wait for SCOTUS to rule... ugh
Step into the light fellas I can’t see sh!t lol
Resurgent Arms featureless grip with their new end plate way better than the fin grip. Juggernaut grip and the Ledesma arms grip are also better options than the fin grip
Thordsen FRS-15 Gen III grip is better than all the ones you listed. That's just my two cents. Speaking from experience.
I will need to watch this about 5 times to understand what california is trying to do. What is the gist of these laws? Anyone
Standard ARs are illegal. To be legal, it either has to have a fixed magazine or not have any listed features such as pistol grip, adjustable/collapsible stock, flash hider, threaded barrel, or bayonet lug.
What they're trying to do is ban wicked-looking guns that give them the heebie-jeebies.
What brand is the rifle on the right? The featureless one?
Will get you this info!
Great job CA politicians you effectively made these firearms less safe.
This blows my mind that a state has these gun laws. WILLLDDD!
Can i know where is that range located? Tank you
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@@TRBTraining thank you
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I smell a civil war 2.o
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Could be so much worse, at least we’re still able to have AR15’s. Can’t say much for Canada and other states that do not allow any type of firearms.
So futureless, you can have 30 rds
If you go featureless, you don't have to register it as an assault rifle?
correct
You actually do not...
@@TRBTraining awesome, thank you! well that plus mag cap. settles it
Good video, that being said.....doing the video in the shade made it almost impossible to see the guns....would have been much better under good lighting or directly in the sun.
In the name of safety lets make the firearm less safe smh 👍
I truly hope people wake up and get these people out of office that made these idiotic laws
Why a limit of only 2 "evil features?" Is there a new law with fixed mags?
This is the only video I've seen stating this limit...thanks for the clarification.
Weren't you all using more than 2 features?
m.czcams.com/video/tDKhrJt3AhI/video.html
Right. I go to a shop that installs 4 features as long as you have the fixed mag
Hey let make a firearm harder to handle and increase accidents…..
~California 😂
I live in California; I don't know anyone that abides by these laws. lol I know I don't'. I know you guys use the normal functions after the video is over. lol. psh
If I lived in commiefornia I think I'd go for the fixed mag since they make those fast clip loaders now
Say it with me class. None compliance is the…
Key work comply to unconstitutional laws
The government
In California, it's not so much "what is" as "what it identifies as". We all know, just like a man who identifies as a woman is now accepted as true, we have to assume that an AR-15 that identifies as a pair of pliers has to also be accepted as true and since there is no law regarding pliers....AS YET...our former fully automatic rifle that shoots bullets big enough to take down a skyscraper from ten miles away is now simple a tool you'd find on your workbench. If that seems silly, think about that man who identifies as a woman and all the morons in California who now accept that as the truth. You simply CANNOT DISCRIMIATE or argue about this or you'll be labeled a right-wing extremist.
god this is so confusing great video though