Turn 0 Win! | Insane Combos | Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh | Commander | EDH | Magic the Gathering
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This is awesome....now I can play commander by myself and just text my friend they lost.
🤣
Lmao
You should
I concede.
Oh God 😆
Turn 0 wins make me go "YESSSS!!!" and "NOOOO!!!" at the same time.
YOOOOO!!!
The Jigglypuff profile picture makes that so perfect. Agreed btw
Also that may just be me, had a homie that mained Jigglypuff
Ness would have been perfecter
because his name is also an amalgamation of No + Yess
I can't be the only one that was waiting for "but what about the kobalts of hair keep? Well they work for today's sponsor, Keeps!"
Impact Tremors would also fit that first combo instead of grapeshot.
Edit....Watching the rest of the video helps sometimes...
You also can use Altar of the brood and mill out every opponent even before first player gets to draw a card :)
The odds of hitting this turn zero are astronomically small, but fun combos nonetheless!
The odds of each opponent running leyline of sanctity is even smaller
"I cast Pact of Negation."
"But then we both lose!"
"Yes."
Or just FoN/Fow
@@faperito2389 force of negation actually wouldn't work cause it would be the opponents turn
"ill happily lose as long as I take you with me."
17:10 it's best to name "You Are Already Dead"
You could do this at the end of their draw step to get 8 mana with Jeska’s Will too.
I don't think Impact Tremors works. Cloudstone Curio forces you to bounce the Leyline. They're both enchantments.
Edit: Reading the card explains the card. Curio is a may ability. Thanks to iTroyjan for reminding me. Ignore this comment, and have a nice day!
Play impact before then
Cloudstone Curio is a may ability
@@itroyjan1871 So it is! Thanks! I thought is was a must ability.
And curio isn’t an enchantment it’s an artifact
@@MittensTheHero he literally corrected himself in his comment. There’s no need for your comment here
We also call Rograkh by his casual name “Roger”.
That’s why I like my mono white protection deck. If I can get out the white leyline turn 0 it stops me from dying to this type of turn zero infinite combo.
id run impact tremors instead of grapeshot to get past that
Altar of the brood says "Hello"
OMG, you put the "bold" in Kobold
This is where your table tells you to shuffle up and grab a new deck and join in while they just continue their turns.
Imagine doing this just for someone to force of will the grapeshot
It won't matter though, the storm copies will still go off
@@kokushogames3283 yeah true
You force the curio...
Occasionally people pick violence as a literal deck 🤷
Oh man, this reminds me of my favorite old school infinite combo. If you built the deck to have some non-turn zero viability, Intruder Alarm could lead to some absolutely nuts shenanigans
Best turn zero play is Summoner's Pact for the guaranteed win... Of someone else :p
So doing this at a real game would mean giving this 20 minute speech as you play these exact cards. A few minutes in I'd have checked out. "So, you win then? Okay, pull another deck and let's actually play now."
Well A) you can run through this faster. He needs to inflate the videos for time and is famously inarticulate. And B) this needs a PERFECT 7, which means you're almost never gonna pull this off, so you can keep the deck and play a more fun version, with the potential to very rarely pull off this fun stuff that takes all of a minute to explain.
Autism
My favorite Turn 0 win goes like this:
Leyline of Anticipation
Lotus Petal
Mana Crypt
Show and Tell
Omniscience
Approach of the Second Sun
Demonic Tutor
Approach of the Second Sun
Also, with the turn 0 combo, Altar of the Brood is a 1 mana artifact that turns any permanent entering the battle field under your control into one card milled for each of your opponents.
A simple Mental misstep or a free counterspell can shut this combo off XD
Alter of the brood would work too right?
How does priority on this work? The active player passes to go to the next phase over and over each time a kobold is returned to the hand?
basically yeah. the active player would pass priority while the stack is empty. When the player who is turn 0ing gets priority he cast a spell. once everything is resolved active player would have priority again and pass it with an empty stack to try and allow the phases to change. Then player who is turn 0ing casts the next spell.
So you need the perfect hand of 7 Cards plus 1 Commander?
The best kind of combo, the rest of the deck is find I’m guessing
The Mad Laddiest of Mad Lad decks!!!
How are the odds of getting the hand?
So cool to see you cover some competitive content
I may not know any Turn 0 combos, but I do know a good Infinite Landfall Combo:
Retreat To Coralhelm + Walking Atlas + Guildless Commons. That starts the engine. Toggo and Reckless Crew gives you Infinite Rocks and Dwarves with which to equip them onto. Add in Storm Cauldron to the combo and ANY land becomes a bounce land like Guildless Commons when tapped for mana and you generate infinite mana. With Galazeth Prismari, those Rocks become Mana Rocks (pun intended) to cast any Instant or Sorcery Spell, or filter the mana into Horizon Stone, then using the mana to launch all the rocks at your opponents.
You can also pair this with ANY Landfall or Landfall-like ability and see where that goes. (It gets dumb real quick.)
Altar of the Brood?
Kobolds really do just come out with the gat tho
Incredible.
You only need a perfect hand. That’s easy enough right?
What would happen if someone turn 0 pact of negation’s this? 😭 they instantly lose but everyone else can play
That is the price for greatness 😂
Force of will?
Eddie is why we can’t have nice things
I was only expecting the final piece to be impact tremors instead of grapeshot but I guess either one works! 🤣
Edit: I have finished watching the video and now I feel stupid
thank you for autographing my autograph book tonight
1:57 you can win on turn 0 during your turn if you're the starting player. Then winning on turn 0 means winning before your draw step and that has exactly the same requirements as winning on turn 0 during an opponent's turn.
yeah but no gemstone caverns for you
Dang it Eddie, don't encourage this!
How do you have red cards without a red color identity commander? Color identity is determined by the mana symbola
There’s a red circle to the side of the card type that also denotes the color identity as red.
You can do it easier with:
thassa oracle, demonic consultation, any land that taps for black, culling the weak, and Jeweled Lotus.
This video convinced me that leyline of sanctity is a staple
Upkeep, yes
i love thinking about these combos even tho they will almost never happen
So essentially, someone took the three week modern unbanning of Flash to heart.
If you dont play land cards. this can even win on turn zero if you mulligan down to 5 cards
1. Balustrade spy
2. leyline of anticipation
3. lotus petal
4. dark ritual (alt: unburial rites)
5. mana crypt ( alt: lion's eye diamond)
in deck:1. narcomeba, 2dregscape zombie 3 dread return 4 thassa's oracle
alt win needs: bridge from below,cabal therapy and Hogaak, Arisen Necropolis
I like the impact tremors + dualcaster mage + twinflame combo
I have a Boros equipment deck with Rog and Ardenn, intrepid Archaeologist as partners. Ardenn lets you equip any number of equipment to a creature at the beginning of combat. so you get wacky stuff like turn 3 colossus hammer commander swinging at people lol. Rog is so cool
Why not turn 2?? ;D T1 Plains -> Steelshaper's Gift, grab Col Ham/Bloodforged. T2 Random Land -> Cast Sig. Aid, bloodforged/col ham, equip roger T2 and swing
Sucks if your opponents mulligan down to 5 tho.
Turn 1… its just a turn 1. Even if its not YOUR first turn, the first turn has begun
There's a turn 1 kill you can do by turn 1 playing:
Mountain, rite of flame, sol ring, seething song, sneak attack, serra avatar
Dang it eddie
This is so magical Christmas land and is so unlikely to ever happen let’s be real
"Next, I'll use the three red I have floating to cast Jeska's Will --" *"PACT OF NEGATION"*
Welcome to Super Mega Merry Birthday Happy Christmas Sparkle Magic Land!
How about Prismatic Piper??? 😉😉😉
Damn you eddie
very fun ideas, but thassa's oracle, x would be 4 not 2 because of the layline
kobolds letting you win turn 0 os the funnies shit ive ever seen, as someone advocating for more 'bolds in MTG.
How’s is he red when he has no mana cost? I thought it was based off his mana cost?
Rograkh is red from the little red dot near the creature type. It’s used to note its color identity.
Kobolds of Kerr keep says that kobolds of Kerr Keep is a red creature
I was about to blame Eddie, but he combo-ed off on turn zero.
Eddie blamed 😅 I wanted to play magic 😜
I thought that of your commander leaves the battle field regardless of where it's going it goes to the command zone?
no you get the choice
Oh OK thanks.
@@NPC_V2 yeah no matter where it moves as long as it's switching zones obviously not coming from the command zone you can always put it into the command zone. you could actually trick your opponent with that. if you exile their commandet until the end step and they choose to not move it into the command zone. you can stifle the trigger of it coming back so then it won't be able to move zones it'll stay in exile and they can never get it back
Pardon me sir, but where is my Close Quarters with a 3 on 1 gang up against Eddie? Oh yeah!! Eddie is going to break out some broken new combos with the crazy 40K card release.
pact of negation self sacrifice
I blame Eddie!
Do love the idea of this turn 0 win, but yeah the likeliness is not so high, not even with all the extra options you could add for this.. I mean, there are many alternative ways to get the combo and/or search for the cards.. Vampiric tutor, Enlightened, Mystical, etc...
For the Mana/Combo things, there are also many ways to win with Curio, among them Altar of the Brood.. You can add other cheap combo's in there as wel.. But this seems more like a deck you would bring to a cEDH pod than a normal casual game... :P
Thanks for sharing though, appreciated.. :D
I would not advise to bring this to a cEDH pod. cEDH decks need to be two thing: Efficiant and consistent. That being said there are several Rograkh lists in cEDH that do somewhat similar things but don't try any turn 0 nonsense. Stuff like turn 1 Ad Nauseum -> draw 30+ cards -> win from there.
@@sebastianbaumruker80 I definitely get that, I did say that it would need more similar combo's and ways to abuse such a thing to be more consistent to pull this kind of thing off... Things like Ad Nauseam indeed is a way to get your cards and build from there.. but there are many alternate ways to win round 1/2 that also could be considered or added...
I meant it more in a sense, that such a combo is frowned upon in a non-cEDH table or a less competitive casual level of EDH lets say.. I do not know if this could remotely work in cEDH, cause it might not be consistent enough or efficient in a sense.. but it fits better by that play style. Hope that at least makes sense to you.
The overall mindset for cEDH versus casual EDH is quite different.. Mostly EDH, the casual ones at least are more about playing big things, having fun and such and the overall experience, less so about who can win the fastest.. ;)
@@dachivale5319 Yeah I know what you mean. Some casual play grroups I have encountered are even more restrictive. To the point of not playing with you at all if your decks win con is a 8 card combo on turn 12. To some people any form of combo is unfun.
@@sebastianbaumruker80 Definitely, it is always a wise to ask a playgroup where you are new what they want out of the game, what level of decks they play, etc.. ^^
Discussing things like that wil help make it better for everyone and overall make it more fun.
Where I live we have kind of a divide, we have a group that just cares about fast wins, so they play mostly cEDH or high level casual and we have those like myself that mostly just want to have fun and try to avoid broken things as much as possible.
Though it is pretty difficult to make a good, fun and also strong deck that doesn't seem to break this if that makes sense.
Currently though I am working more towards a few new decks that wil be a bit higher level than my previous decks, cause I have faced a few newer players that do tend to play stronger decks. So that way I wil have more options to battle those kind of decks. For the actual lower power level casual part of the group I have about 6+ decks that I can choose from currently.
I wil add also, I have played MtG since Beta, and Commander/EDH almost from the beginning when it got first released many years ago... I think in EDH alone I have probably easily built 100+ different decks. Mostly I like to experiment and make new and fresh ideas all the time.. Am currently working on: Magda, Koll, Jodah and Orvard as the 4 new decks.. (had a break from the game for about 3 years btw, so not as familiar with all the new 'broken' cards) ^^
@@dachivale5319 I totally get where your coming frrom. Having played since Ice Age I am in a similar boat. When I do want to play cEDH I only want to play with other people that want the same. Holds true for casual as well (which most of my games fall into). However I do love complex interaction of cards, rules and mechanics. They don't have to be good but intricate and novel. For the most part I would much rahter play the og Xira Arien than a Korvold. Then use Sands of Time + Stronic Resonator to draw my deck. Some of the local play groups would ostracise me for that though so to some it's more "casual" to play a cookie cutter Korvold with a much higher power level that an original deck with a wacky combo that might work sometimes. That is something I can't wrap my head around because it feels like these people have a pretty extreem position. I assume the commander comunity as a whole is a lot more relaxed and this is more of a local grievance.
Guys we did it!! We finally broke Jeska's will!
Wouldn't playing impact Tremors bounce leyline
The trigger is on the stack so he can cast the creatures while on stack
Curio is a "may" trigger
Any math wizards out there wanna put a number to the odds of starting with this hand (or any of those replacement cards if they're in there too.)
Deck name is MAGICAL CHRISTMAS LAND
Now you just need perfect card draw. You will be mulliganing till the end of time.
*DANG* it, Eddie! 😠
Can someone who is actually smart unlike me tell me what the statistical likelihood of getting this opening hand is?
There's a valid reason for why Simian Spirit Guide is banned in Modern. Free Mana is way too powerful. Thank the lord there are still fun formats to play, like Commander.
However, my gripe with Vintage, Legacy and Commander, is that they still ban cards. I understand the Ante cards, but the rest doesn't need to be banned.
technically any zero mana creature would work in place of the kobold in hand
Only if it's a kobold and/or a warrior, because it has to share a creature type with Rog.
Cloudstone reads "Whenever a nonartifact permanent enters the battlefield under your control, you may return another permanent you control that shares a permanent type with it to its owner's hand." which means any creature will bounce Rog. Creature is a permanent type, Kobold is a sub-type.
this only adds 1 extra creature I can think of (Dryad Arbor) because the other 4 zero cost creatures are artifacts as well, so it doesn't make much difference.
hate to be that guy but this combo can actually be a lot easier, technically since Rograkh shares a creature type with itself and since Cloudstone curio checks when a permanent enters the battlefield and not on cast, that means you can use Rograkh's ETB trigger of Cloudstone Curio to bounce Rograkh back to your hand instead. In essence, Kobolds of kher keep are actually unnecessary for this combo.
Cloudstone actually says "another permanent", so it wouldn't be able to target Rograkh when you cast him.
@@tavishmcdaniel2828 ah nvm, my bad.
lets ignore removal and counters
The only time you would gain priority during an opponents upkeep is if there is a triggered ability that triggers during their upkeep. Otherwise the first time priority passes around the table would be after your opponent draws and announces their intentions to pass into their first main phase.
This is not true. Priority is always passed during each phase, Upkeep, Pre-Combat Main Phase, Combat, Post-Combat Main Phase, End Step. You cannot move onto the next phase (and combat has multiple steps where priority is passed) without passing priority to the next player, even if as the active player you take no actions. Rules reference 117. Timing and Priority, 117.3d specifically calls out that if a player has priority and chooses not to take any actions, that player passes and the next player receives priority and rule 117.4 states that once all players have passed and the stack is empty then the phase or step (for combat) ends and moves on the the next phase or step.
1 issue
Grapeshot is banned
Impact Tremors works too!!
Fair
It is only banned in pauper and not legal in standard, pioneer, alchemy, explorer and brawl
Them: You have to have a Leyline for this to go off.
Me: Your winrate just fell by a large amount.
Them: There's more-
Me: Nah I'm good.
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This video is like being rickrolled but without the hilarious angry comments. Pointless.
just use black lotus
I think that red is red
That's a lot of mulligans
If someone ever attempts a Turn 0 win on my table, I will just ignore them and say "ok, that guy's shown that he doesn't need us here to have his fun, so let's just carry on without him."
It has a very low chance of happening, calm down.
I have a better chance of hitting the lottery than hitting this turn 0 combo. Foh
This is so easily countered by mulliganing to 1, literally unplayable😂
This is ridiculous
So you need to mulligan and hope you can get these 6 cards in one hand…? Yeah ok. I enjoy your deck ideas that are actually doable but this is just nonsensee
so you need the perfect hand of 7 cards in your opening grip. 🤔 😆 🤣 😂 I'm literally dying from this idea. cmon now. unless your the type of player who stacks they're deck cuz they'll cry themselves to sleep because they didn't win. Love you guys love the show. this is beyond stretching. let's be realistic with these ideas.
It’s for fun bro, relax
@@AnthonyWhitford he’ll get his instant karma, it’s his name
The point is that the combo is janky, not good. Get with the program, do you not know who this guy is?
My man, this a a turn 0 kobold combo, what do you actually expect
@@7fatrats it's so jank it would never work, so what's the point. All the Timmy's defending this is hilarious 😂. Thanks for the laughs Timmy's. 😆 🤣 😂
boooooooring... sorry
your never gonna get the correct cards
You used the term grip for hand. Unsubbed. Such a moronic saying.
Imagine getting all the combo peices in your hand and then someone plays Force of Will 😆