7:40 "(Ramana)... my teachings, my instructions are only for people who don't know how to sit quietly and absorb and experience my real teachings, which is the transmission of silence..."
interestingly enough ,when I was listening to Nisargadatta in a car parked by some trees, the wind was blowing the leaves underneath them and I was swept away by a memory of a feeling of freedom even though I was listening to Nisargadatta's voice. I took note of how otherworldly and deeply alluring the very subtle experience was.
The core of their teaching is the same,non duality.The difference lies in their temperament.ॐ ❤ 🙏 I have a huge amount of respect and affection for Ramana. Nisargadatta's teaching is what shaped my non-dual understanding,as i have been an earnest studier of whatever has been published of his talks for several years. So i consider him as my spiritual mentor.
How to do selfenquiry in busy daily life?? What annamalai swami ji did in his busy life to get liberation?? I will try to walk in his path. Because i am a college student, i have no enough time. 🙏🙏plz reply brother
I'd never heard him speak until after I read his book but the voice in my head as I read it sounded exactly how he does on the videos I saw of him after.
Lovely! It is amazing how one teacher can be very much "for" a questioner whilst another, (also Self-realized), is not. Nisargadatta is unquestionably my Guru....right from the first encounter with his words I was intimately caught up with the power and light of it all and instantly knew that all my anxious questions were to burned away in this light. I understand in an intuitive way that Ramana is precisely that same Self, yet when I read him I have real difficulty relating to most of it. I had found this quite disturbing at times. This first-hand account is most enlightening, thank you!
This is not the attitude he would want you to have. See Dattatreya's attitude towards the world, and the number of his "gurus". Dattatreya is said to be the founder of Navnath Sampradaya Nisargadatta belonged to.
I find there is no difference between Sri Ramana Maharshi and Sri Nisargdatta Maharajs teachings. What Sri Nisargdatta Maharaj describes as beyond conciousness, Sri Ramana Maharshi describes it as pure consciousness.
I really liked it. I also like Ramana Maharshi. 🤲 I've also personally really liked watching a bit of Sri Avinash lately. #SriAvinashMeditation It feels as though my life has changed in such a beautiful way just from seeing his meditation videos.
I have a practical and rather urgent question for you: Ramana stated that our essential consciousness "I am" alone is real and that while practicing atma-vicara we are to focus our attention exclusively on the "I am." However, as you mentioned, Nisargadatta stated that the "I am" has a source, deeper than the unchanging, essential "I am." And that we focus on the "I am" until even that falls away and it's source is revealed...
Raman maharshi's I Am is same as nisargadattas thing which he says beyond everything.both are same things. Terminology is different. You will get that if you read and understand books by both authors more than once.
Sri Ramana said that the "I am" you focus attention on is like a stick used to burn the funeral pyre, it will burn the pyre and will, in the end, itself gets burnt. Then what remains is pure consciousness, which is the 'deeper source' you mentioned according to Sri Nisargadatta. No difference. Ramana used the analogy of burning pyre to illustrate the same point.
Hello David I tried to get on your website for your email but couldn't find one. The email link asked me to create an outlook account which i do not have, can i get your email please? You can also sent me a message via youtube. I had couple of questions to start with and was hoping you can shed some light on this: 1) what's this nexus that has been created between the Neo-advaita teachers and the maharishi? could you explain the origins, mechanics and the ramifications of all this? I have heard that it started with the "who am i" instruction is that correct? 2) How would you explain the who am i inquiry? I am sure it's not a mechanical repetition, so what is it? Thanks Vik
+Vik P Excuse the delay in replying. I haven't checked my CZcams messages for a while. You can email me with any Bhagavan-related questions at david_godman@yahoo.co.uk
Does anyone know or could anyone recommend a living guru/saint that I could research on or possible visit? I am trying to expand on my learning a experience and feel the need to find a guru. I very much love the views of the two saints in this video.Thanks!
Gary Smith GS Grounds Maintenance you just start your journey by visiting different places and find out where you feel more at home and i also regard David Godman suggestions very high also Listen and Read good stuff
Namaste. The only one whose extraordinary strength, divinity and compassion I am sure of is Mata Amritanandamayi ( called AMMACHI/ Amma/ the hugging saint ) in Amritapuri, Kerala . 🙏🌺
Kind sir 🙏, I would advise you seek no guru or any external authority. All the great teachers will directly tell you the same thing, throw off all concepts and focus your attention inward. All you seek is already with you 🔑
I also fell in love with Nisargadatta's words but compared to Ramana he was explaining a real death, prior to consciousness, no attributes, no pleasure or pain, no knowledge, this should be the absolute? more like oblivion.
a real death? oblivion? never knew or ever heard of anything existing prior to consciousness. the oblivion depending on the context can be explained as consciousness itself or utter ignorance. oblivion is the state of being but not the being himself or the source from where the being is driven from. ramana's Self is Nisargadatta's source he called consciousness. Nisargadatta's words are compelling when he argues that consciousness is what comes before any concept even the concept of the Self. But, by the same logic, Ramana's silence precedes any words. and that is in fact, the unexplainable and the absolute, which can only be experienced. the gurus have done a good job explaining it but the direct experience is your own to realize. gurus can show you the door and open it, but you have to walk through it, only you can do it for you.
Lovely ! Thanks David. Well, just want to add a little here. Kalpana in Marathi means Imagination. So Maharaj would blast all concepts and imagination.
How about a comparison between Nisagardata & J Krishnamurti. Both loved to talk, but my mind says J Krishnamurti was more like an Aristotle/philosopher than a mystic.
Also, what's the significance of the tiger skin he sat on? I understand that Hindu saints have this custom of sitting in tiger skins as a symbolical gesture of lordship over the animal kingdom and animal instincts but wouldn't that be considered as supporting the killing of living beings? Thanks
That is an exceptional chapter. No 35 The Greatest Guru is your inner self. Animal skins were needed cos there were no modern materials for lengthy meditations to keep dampness back. Asked should masters disapprove of animal skin he answered " I disaprove of the entire universe not just a skin " Put your self right first and then worry about actions of others.
A yogi neither sits nor stands in reality, they have renounced it all... but one of his devotee ( who scavenged it for him as a show of his love for his Guru ) pleaded him to, so being the self of all, how could he deny or not deny? He noticed how sitting on that can help bring a smile on the devotees face who had taken considerable pain in procuring it, so he happily obliged but in the highest state of no mind ( satva / no dullness / no perceiver and no perceived state ) , how can you or the one sitting on it have any like or dislike for what they are sitting on or not sitting on? In that supreme state all is one and one is all so does it matter? Its a bit like sleeping... if you sleep on a dead animal's skin would you really hurt the animal? And finally, history has it that the tiger didn't mind too that after the tiger's death the great sage sat on it :)
I found Nisargadatta's changes in terminology a little jarring. His consistency in terminology changes depending on who he is speaking with. This seems to depend highly on the questioner and what preconceived notions the questioner brings to the table. This seems to bring only confusion to the mind when you read many sections without silent reflection on each one. "I am that" seems to be missing the context of human interaction and Shaktipat that you describe, but your video helped me to understand this. The strange thing is that I don't have this confusion when I read Sri Ramana Maharshi's written teachings. Continued reading OR silent reflection on his words and discussions seem to take me deeper and deeoer into the Self. This is all, of course, very personal. Thanks for your video!
So my question is: how do you reconcile the two positions? I'm in the midst of an crisis as I'm now unsure what to focus my attention on or what the aim is. Thank you, David!
It doesn't matter, 'what is' will still be there whether you understand the concept or not; remember these are concepts only and they come from the subjective experiences of men who once breathed, ate and defecated, The ephemeral isn't written in stone.
I think it was due to Robert Adams's son was trying to monetize all his daddy's videos.There were ton of Robert's talks on you tube. But they were all taken down by his son.
@@adamnaperty actually they found out he was just a story teller. Ramanashram confirmed Robert never visited Ramana. He was a scammer. Also all his stories were lies.
PEOPLE WHO WERE ADDICTED TO WORDS DIDN'T GET IT.THIS SAGE HAD AN ADDICTION TO BIDDIS, CLOVE CIGARETTES,WHICH EVENTUALLY KILLED HIM. HOW CAN THAT PARADOX POSSIBLY TRANSLATE INTO A REAL ENLIGHTENED BEINGS BEHAVIOR.?
The body, not the self was addicted, Nisargadatta was a man not a god, he shat and peed and fornicated while aware all these activities were transient, nothing was happening.
@@joeybtheman1906 Not judging but not romanticising either, they were human beings with concepts and subjective experiences not demigods. Jesus and Buddha also had only concepts to offer as do all religions and philosophies. All esoteric experiences are subjective and therefore can't be held up as proof.
My utmost love and gratitude for your selfless and priceless work towards bringing Ramanna Maharshi's profound teachings to light 🙏🌹🌹
7:40 "(Ramana)... my teachings, my instructions are only for people who don't know how to sit quietly and absorb and experience my real teachings, which is the transmission of silence..."
Nisagadarta makes me laugh. one my favorite lines of his was "Find out who you are, if you dont know get lost" Lol
true whatever he meant it’s funny either way
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interestingly enough ,when I was listening to Nisargadatta in a car parked by some trees, the wind was blowing the leaves underneath them and I was swept away by a memory of a feeling of freedom even though I was listening to Nisargadatta's voice. I took note of how otherworldly and deeply alluring the very subtle experience was.
The core of their teaching is the same,non duality.The difference lies in their temperament.ॐ ❤ 🙏
I have a huge amount of respect and affection for Ramana.
Nisargadatta's teaching is what shaped my non-dual understanding,as i have been an earnest studier of whatever has been published of his talks for several years.
So i consider him as my spiritual mentor.
How to do selfenquiry in busy daily life?? What annamalai swami ji did in his busy life to get liberation?? I will try to walk in his path. Because i am a college student, i have no enough time. 🙏🙏plz reply brother
I'd never heard him speak until after I read his book but the voice in my head as I read it sounded exactly how he does on the videos I saw of him after.
Thank you David for introducing Nisargadatta Maharaj to me.
So great to hear these descriptions coming from this great author. More!!
Muito obrigado! Brasil na escuta!🇧🇷 thanks!🤗🙏! Rio Grande do Sul, Brasil
I love your videos about these two gurus
Beautiful descriptions, really nice to get the feel of what their teachings were really about.
Lovely! It is amazing how one teacher can be very much "for" a questioner whilst another, (also Self-realized), is not. Nisargadatta is unquestionably my Guru....right from the first encounter with his words I was intimately caught up with the power and light of it all and instantly knew that all my anxious questions were to burned away in this light. I understand in an intuitive way that Ramana is precisely that same Self, yet when I read him I have real difficulty relating to most of it. I had found this quite disturbing at times. This first-hand account is most enlightening, thank you!
This is not the attitude he would want you to have.
See Dattatreya's attitude towards the world, and the number of his "gurus". Dattatreya is said to be the founder of Navnath Sampradaya Nisargadatta belonged to.
I see you got a massively egoic response to your comment. Hilarious!
I find there is no difference between Sri Ramana Maharshi and Sri Nisargdatta Maharajs teachings.
What Sri Nisargdatta Maharaj describes as beyond conciousness, Sri Ramana Maharshi describes it as pure consciousness.
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Thanks for the upload Mr. David . Cheers .
fantastic story. love for all 🙏🏻❤️
enough to realize the self. Unique!
I really liked it. I also like Ramana Maharshi. 🤲
I've also personally really liked watching a bit of Sri Avinash lately. #SriAvinashMeditation
It feels as though my life has changed in such a beautiful way just from seeing his meditation videos.
Avinash seems like a business man,saleman
Awesome! Keep up the good work! A very interesting topic of discussion.
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1:37 => When I see Nisargadatta´s eyes on that photo, it reminds me of Alan Watts saying, that Bodhidharma was often depicted with piercing eyes.
Thank you!
I really like david Godman
Thank you
Ramana,primera parte en espańol,por favor, gracias,
By the way, the word "Kalpana" stands for "imagination/dreaming/conceptual reality"
Words mean different things in what line they are said. Sometimes it can mean visions psychics someone has
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Did he say: I do nothing and nothing is done to me. Yet all depends on me.
Thanks
Hello Davis namaste
Hello namaste. Spaek espanish. Do you have this video titles. In. Espanish ?
learn English
Me encantaria saber lo que dice, pero solo entiendo español.
Thanks for sharing ;)
Could you increase volume of your videos. I can hardly hear them.
Would anyone know who are the living gurus of this lineage?
Saradamma is still living, I believe. See Godman’s book “No Mind, I Am the Self” which is mostly about Lakshmana Swami.
I have a practical and rather urgent question for you: Ramana stated that our essential consciousness "I am" alone is real and that while practicing atma-vicara we are to focus our attention exclusively on the "I am." However, as you mentioned, Nisargadatta stated that the "I am" has a source, deeper than the unchanging, essential "I am." And that we focus on the "I am" until even that falls away and it's source is revealed...
iloverumi either way you focus on the I am
Raman maharshi's I Am is same as nisargadattas thing which he says beyond everything.both are same things. Terminology is different. You will get that if you read and understand books by both authors more than once.
Sri Ramana said that the "I am" you focus attention on is like a stick used to burn the funeral pyre, it will burn the pyre and will, in the end, itself gets burnt. Then what remains is pure consciousness, which is the 'deeper source' you mentioned according to Sri Nisargadatta. No difference. Ramana used the analogy of burning pyre to illustrate the same point.
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Sound is very low.
Hello David
I tried to get on your website for your email but couldn't find one. The email link asked me to create an outlook account which i do not have, can i get your email please? You can also sent me a message via youtube. I had couple of questions to start with and was hoping you can shed some light on this:
1) what's this nexus that has been created between the Neo-advaita teachers and the maharishi? could you explain the origins, mechanics and the ramifications of all this? I have heard that it started with the "who am i" instruction is that correct?
2) How would you explain the who am i inquiry? I am sure it's not a mechanical repetition, so what is it?
Thanks
Vik
+Vik P Excuse the delay in replying. I haven't checked my CZcams messages for a while. You can email me with any Bhagavan-related questions at david_godman@yahoo.co.uk
hello David where are you now a days
no audio
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To my "expierience" it's not of cooking that there's 'something' prior to the self or consciousness.
ALL THESE YEARS I NEVER TRULY GOT IT.
Unless you know it for yourself you never know!
Does anyone know or could anyone recommend a living guru/saint that I could research on or possible visit? I am trying to expand on my learning a experience and feel the need to find a guru. I very much love the views of the two saints in this video.Thanks!
Gary Smith GS Grounds Maintenance you just start your journey by visiting different places and find out where you feel more at home and i also regard David Godman suggestions very high also Listen and Read good stuff
You can go to David Godman himself.. he is available at tiruvannamalai... ramanasram or near skandasram
Rupert Spira
Namaste. The only one whose extraordinary strength, divinity and compassion I am sure of is Mata Amritanandamayi ( called AMMACHI/ Amma/ the hugging saint ) in Amritapuri, Kerala . 🙏🌺
Kind sir 🙏, I would advise you seek no guru or any external authority. All the great teachers will directly tell you the same thing, throw off all concepts and focus your attention inward. All you seek is already with you 🔑
Bu videoya Türkçe altyazi ekler misiniz lütfen 💔
I also fell in love with Nisargadatta's words but compared to Ramana he was explaining a real death, prior to consciousness, no attributes, no pleasure or pain, no knowledge, this should be the absolute? more like oblivion.
a real death? oblivion? never knew or ever heard of anything existing prior to consciousness. the oblivion depending on the context can be explained as consciousness itself or utter ignorance. oblivion is the state of being but not the being himself or the source from where the being is driven from. ramana's Self is Nisargadatta's source he called consciousness. Nisargadatta's words are compelling when he argues that consciousness is what comes before any concept even the concept of the Self. But, by the same logic, Ramana's silence precedes any words. and that is in fact, the unexplainable and the absolute, which can only be experienced. the gurus have done a good job explaining it but the direct experience is your own to realize. gurus can show you the door and open it, but you have to walk through it, only you can do it for you.
Maharaj " that oblivion is full and complete, compared to it your present life is like a candle against the sun "
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Mono audio
Lovely ! Thanks David.
Well, just want to add a little here.
Kalpana in Marathi means Imagination.
So Maharaj would blast all concepts and imagination.
How about a comparison between Nisagardata & J Krishnamurti.
Both loved to talk, but my mind says J Krishnamurti was more like an Aristotle/philosopher than a mystic.
Also, what's the significance of the tiger skin he sat on? I understand that Hindu saints have this custom of sitting in tiger skins as a symbolical gesture of lordship over the animal kingdom and animal instincts but wouldn't that be considered as supporting the killing of living beings? Thanks
+Vik P Someone asks him about it in the book (I am That). It's a rather long conversation, check it up.
That is an exceptional chapter. No 35 The Greatest Guru is your inner self. Animal skins were needed cos there were no modern materials for lengthy meditations to keep dampness back. Asked should masters disapprove of animal skin he answered " I disaprove of the entire universe not just a skin " Put your self right first and then worry about actions of others.
A yogi neither sits nor stands in reality, they have renounced it all... but one of his devotee ( who scavenged it for him as a show of his love for his Guru ) pleaded him to, so being the self of all, how could he deny or not deny? He noticed how sitting on that can help bring a smile on the devotees face who had taken considerable pain in procuring it, so he happily obliged but in the highest state of no mind ( satva / no dullness / no perceiver and no perceived state ) , how can you or the one sitting on it have any like or dislike for what they are sitting on or not sitting on? In that supreme state all is one and one is all so does it matter? Its a bit like sleeping... if you sleep on a dead animal's skin would you really hurt the animal? And finally, history has it that the tiger didn't mind too that after the tiger's death the great sage sat on it :)
I found Nisargadatta's changes in terminology a little jarring. His consistency in terminology changes depending on who he is speaking with. This seems to depend highly on the questioner and what preconceived notions the questioner brings to the table. This seems to bring only confusion to the mind when you read many sections without silent reflection on each one. "I am that" seems to be missing the context of human interaction and Shaktipat that you describe, but your video helped me to understand this. The strange thing is that I don't have this confusion when I read Sri Ramana Maharshi's written teachings. Continued reading OR silent reflection on his words and discussions seem to take me deeper and deeoer into the Self. This is all, of course, very personal. Thanks for your video!
So my question is: how do you reconcile the two positions? I'm in the midst of an crisis as I'm now unsure what to focus my attention on or what the aim is.
Thank you, David!
Ride it..
listen to some chanting if ur lost
It doesn't matter, 'what is' will still be there whether you understand the concept or not; remember these are concepts only and they come from the subjective experiences of men who once breathed, ate and defecated, The ephemeral isn't written in stone.
If you know the real nature of the self then know need to say anything about this world,as same energy is functioning in the world.
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That oldachool fat monitor screen hahaha
Hi I saw that you have taken down the video about Robert Adams. Was he a scam artist ?
I think it was due to Robert Adams's son was trying to
monetize all his daddy's videos.There were ton of Robert's talks on you tube. But they were all taken down by his son.
@@adamnaperty actually they found out he was just a story teller. Ramanashram confirmed Robert never visited Ramana. He was a scammer. Also all his stories were lies.
What is this annoying humming sound in the background? It's not easy to follow your words
PSYCHOSIS.
PEOPLE WHO WERE ADDICTED TO WORDS DIDN'T GET IT.THIS SAGE HAD AN ADDICTION TO BIDDIS, CLOVE CIGARETTES,WHICH EVENTUALLY KILLED HIM. HOW CAN THAT PARADOX POSSIBLY TRANSLATE INTO A REAL ENLIGHTENED BEINGS BEHAVIOR.?
The body, not the self was addicted, Nisargadatta was a man not a god, he shat and peed and fornicated while aware all these activities were transient, nothing was happening.
@Final Prophecy He told you that did he?
judging others won't get u anywhere son
@Final Prophecy You are funny without being obscene, I like that.
@@joeybtheman1906 Not judging but not romanticising either, they were human beings with concepts and subjective experiences not demigods. Jesus and Buddha also had only concepts to offer as do all religions and philosophies. All esoteric experiences are subjective and therefore can't be held up as proof.