That's great mpg. I stayed with the diesel I'm travel 50k a yr and average 18 pulling 12k and 24 mpg if I stay under 70 that's with 331 gear and you have 430 that's great
We bought our 7.3 last year and tow camper and trailers in the Big Horns of Wyoming. No need for a diesel. And it’s our daily driver. We love it. Getting a lightweight 5th wheel to tow this weekend. Unloaded about the same as your rv. GVWR 11k. Thanks for the video. It reassured me we made the right choice with our Godzilla.
I’m thinking about getting the same truck but I’m afraid it wouldn’t be good truck as daily driver. Are you getting about 13 to 15 range MPG’s? If I can get at least 14 MPG that would be great.
FYI - TFL truck does their tests using cruise control up and down I-70. Your review is more appropriate to how I will use mine. It takes fuel to move weight, so MPG is what it is. But the 7.3 looks to make the experience much better. I’m trading my 17 F250 6.2 for a 22 F250 7.3 Tremor. I can’t wait to give it a whirl.
I bought a 2022 F250 7.3ltr Gasser, put a Supercharger on it from ProCharger, and I get at average of 12 MPG but when I am pulling my trailer 7500 lbs I get about 7.5 Mpg and with my Supercharger I get 640 HP, but I don't let my truck shift down so much, mostly drive the Interstates! I-40 I-25 I-70 I-80 Hwy 65 in Missouri!
I got my 2020 7.3 F350 gasser in December. I've been pulling several trailers in the past few months. My mileage while towing is nothing to write home about but the power is good. I won't be going back to diesel.
Thanks for the video. It's the best one I've seen, especially with the varying grades. I just got a 7.3L F-350 with 4.30 gears. I've only towed my trailer about 15 miles so far, so haven't been quite sure what to expect. I opted for the long bed, though, one of the reasons being the 48-gallon fuel tank to help extend my range a bit.
@@jsemtp2005 I'm loving it. It's comfortable and rides much smoother than I had anticipated. The down side is that I make a lot of short trips around town and am only getting about 9mpg. Also, as much as I love having the long bed, it does make parking a little tougher. I don't put on a lot of miles, so paying a little extra for gas around town doesn't hurt my feelings to have the power and payload I need for towing. I feel pretty good that I picked the right truck for my scenario.
@@justinwilliams50 thanks for the reply. If I may ask another question. I feel that the 4.30 is great for towing but is it shifting to higher gears just to get you going from a stop sign or in traffic?
Great video! My 3.55 7.3L f250 seems to get nearly identical mileage towing and handle a similar trailer the same. Wish someone did a side by side video towing with the 4.30 vs the 3.55, with the 10 speed, they seem WAY close.
I’m in Scottsdale, I just ordered my 2022 F250 Latiat Tremor 7.3-V8 yesterday. I have a 30 foot travel trailer. Good info. Thanks for the informative video.
My dealer here in WI said he can place an order for the 22s but they don't have an allocation yet for them so he doesn't know when Ford would finally accept the order. He figured it would be until like July or so.
I have a 2006 F250 with a 5.4 Triton and 3.73 gears. I just did a trip to Mammoth from San Diego north county (350 miles) I hauled a 4,000 lb Travel trailer plus 400 lbs of cargo plus 3 in the cab. I also have a lift gate so that adds another 600 plus lbs. Lots of steep and long climbs and I was able to hold 55 on most climbs at about 4,000 rpm. I tried not to push it over that rpm so some climbs were at 50 mph. Average MPG was about 8 mpg. I didn’t like the high RPMs on those climbs so wanted to see how the 7.3 handled hauling. Great video and pleased with the difference in climbing ability with the Tremor.
I love your video, I will be getting me a 7.3 in the future, I have had two diesels and the fuel has never been great , toque may have been greater but . with the ten speed and the muscle of the truck you have . is fine for me . I had a 1999mod 7.3 diesel and a six liter 2006 but the fuel milage was not better than what you got. some guys I know don’t tell you the truth about that mileage story. ,thank for showing all that you showed us on your trip. stay safe. will be watching for more.
I love my 2002 v10 excursion doesn’t matter what I put behind it still gives me 11-14 mpg pulling weekend warrior or the horses and it has a 8 in lift with 37s in souther California running 91 all stocked only a box k&n filter
Great review. We have a 2020 F3 50 lariat trimmer also with a 7.3 gas. Just made our first road trip this past week with prime time avenger 26BH. I think the curb weight might be about 5400 maybe 5500 with everything we put inside. We were averaging 60 to 70 miles an hour mostly stop and go with some interstate traffic and highway speeds. About 30 miles of stop and go traffic on interstate 35 between San Marcus and Austin Texas. Average 9.7 MPG. No steep hills or grades at all. Most of the time on the highway it was keeping it in 10th gear. 23K on the truck now and still impressed. We have had no issues as of yet.
I'm glad you liked the video. Sounds like your 7.3 is treating you well. Here is another one of my tow videos you may enjoy. Thanks for Watching! czcams.com/video/_yQG5kLeE2o/video.html
I'm not a Ford guy being a retired mechanic 40 years on the job, but I found your video very interesting. I'm not sure that personally I would trust the dealer's explanation on your transmission temps, more research on your part might be time well spent. We currently have a 2007 Winnebago Voyage 35L Class A Motorhome on a W24 Chassis (24k GVWR). The engine is a GM 8.1 liter gas coupled to a 2000 series Allison 6 speed transmission. We have driven this coach all over the country all while towing a 2002 Chevrolet Tracker. Our average mpg is about 7.5. I have had others with the same power plant in a similar RV tell me they are getting 10 to 12 mpg, this is simply BS. A big block Ford or Chevy is going to use fuel to move weight, the laws of physics apply. I appreciate your honest no BS video, showing real world accurate information. The cruise control on downhill is an excellent idea and one that never occurred to me, thanks for that! Having just purchased a 2021 GM 3500HD Diesel truck myself, and looking forward we will be moving to a fifth wheel for the next RV. Thanks for the video and all the best in your future travels.
Thanks Jim! I totally get what you are saying about the trans temps because I felt the same way. However its been beat to death all over the internet that its designed that way. Now we shall see after they have been out a few years to see if FORD is BS or not about the trans temps.
@@BigBoyToyzz From what I have read on the internet, the transmission is specifically designed to run at higher temperatures.....but only with the new high tech engineered ATF. Evidently, the new ATF allows and enables the transmission to operate at those high temperatures. What bothers me is the ATF CHANGE INTERVALS...100,000 or 150,000 miles. IMHO, that is what will lead to reliability and durability problems. Think I would change the ATF every 40,000 or 50,000 miles or every 5 to 6 years, regardless of what the manufacturer states in the owners manual. Do you know if BG Products OR Wynn can flush either the previous 6R140 or the newer 10R140??? The fill and drain does not remove the old ATF from the torque converter.
I ran a Reese dual cam WDH w/sway control on my Tundra for almost a decade towing my 27ft 10k toy hauler in AZ. Even with my Tundra and a tall toy hauler RV, I would regularly cut through 40+mph cross winds back and forth from Glamis and the truck wouldn't even move. It was crazy how tight that setup was. Just as good as my RAM 3500 with same load, from a sway perspective. Anyway, take a look at that Reese Dual Cam setup as it allows you to roll the bar off the cam for tight turns or if your tire catches a rut or whatever... it's amazing and I highly recommend it. And btw, my Tundra with 4.3 would out accelerate my RAM 3500 with 10k load from 55mph to 80mph range. It's amazing the difference a 4:3 rear can do. I regretted getting my RAM with the 3.73. It was gutless.
Nice rigg.... alot of recreation drivers worry about squat which is very important... but you gotta remember having your trailer level is just as important and yours looks top notch man great setup
Diesel sucks nowadays. DEF fluid, expensive to repair, $11,000 upgrade, don't get the milage they used to. The diesel at the pumps is not what it used to be. I have to add lubricant to the fuel in my older truck to prolong the life of the injectors and pump. I'm pretty confident that I'll be buying a 7.3. Thanks for this review.
Completely Agree. I just ordered a 2022 Ford F350 Lariat 7.3L with Ultimate Package, Black Appearance Package, Tremor Package and several options on March 30th. The dealer said to expect a late August to early September delivery date.
@@zackzander425 Yeah...it is a long time to wait...BUT, will be worth it to get a truck built with the desired options. Good friend ordered an almost identical truck the same day from the same dealer. We got $4875 off of MSRP. I am use to getting MUCH LARGER DISCOUNT off MSRP. However, VERY FEW dealers will discount Tremor trucks. Both trucks are well loaded Lariats...one Carbonized Gray and one Stone Gray. Unfortunately, Lithium Gray is not available on the 2022 Super Duty. The only difference is...his truck will have the new Sport Appearance Package...only because the Black Appearance Package was (is) not available with the Stone Gray color. Both trucks have the same list of options...including the 7.3L, Tremor Package, Warn winch, 397 amp alternator and dual batteries, twin panel moonroof, deployable running boards, roof clearance / cab lights, upfitter switches, adaptive cruise control, gooseneck / 5th wheel prep, heated rear seat...and other options. We wanted the ultimate trailer tow camera system...but it is not available as a stand alone option (it was in 2019). Would have been nice to have the cameras in the mirrors and on the Ford Oval up front...especially on the Tremor. We live in a remote area and will be using these trucks in the mud off-road and in the snow both off-road and on paved roads. We just got a Polaris Ranger 1000 UTV a couple of weeks ago...and the tracks came in Thursday and got those installed yesterday. It is a cool machine! Those extra cameras are combined as a package with the pro trailer backup assist (the SISSY BOY KNOB). So...we added the CHMSL camera. We did not get adaptive steering or the pro trailer backup assist...the SISSY BOY KNOB. I don't need or want that Sissy Boy Knob on the dash of my truck...especially for $1655. Think we will join the Ford Tremor website -------> www.fordtremor.com so we can learn and possibly contribute useful information to other owners of the Super Duty Tremor. Since Ford will be offering the Tremor Package on other vehicles...the F150 and Ranger.....maybe there should be a dedicated website for only Super Duty Tremors.
@@15Jeep Haha. Yeah its really sad Ford offers that Sissy Boy Knob. Backing a trailer is just something a man should know how to do. Just like urinating standing up.
Excellent information. Especially the down hill cruise control and fuel economy info. Ford owes you a bird dog fee. I was on the fence but this is my soon to next truck to tow my toy hauler.
Just bought a new F350 7.3. People are just starting to realize that this engine is a different animal. The compression ratio is 10.5:1 (compared to the 6.2 liter’s 9.8:1). That changes the torque curve radically. It’s exactly what these super duty trucks needed (unless you can afford a diesel). Puts the 6.2 to shame, in my opinion anyway.
The 7.3L puts the 6.2L to shame? That is GREAT NEWS! That is saying a lot about the 7.3L. I sold a 2019 F350 6.2L truck last month and it towed pretty dang good for a gas engine truck.....far from my previous Ford Powerstroke diesel trucks.....but the 6.2L towed moderate to medium loads well. I ordered a new 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3L - Ultimate Package - Black Appearance Package - Tremor Package - Warn winch and every option...EXCEPT the Adaptive Steering or the Pro Trailer Backup Assist. Good Friend ordered an almost identical truck except different color and his truck will have the Sport Appearance Package...and he added the LED lights and Tough Bed spray in liner. We ordered the two trucks from the same dealer on the same day.
@@15Jeep You won’t be disappointed! I’m amazed at the low end torque when taking off. Towed 8k pound fertilizer buggies last week and I couldn’t even tell it was back there. The 6.2 used a lot of RPMs to get up to speed and kicked into lower gears at any hill. I stayed in 10th gear most of the time and never got above 2500 rpm
@@JoeGraves24 It would be good if more people could read your comments. Your descriptions of the differences between the 6.2L and 7.3L are SPOT ON.....the "compression ratios", "torque curve", "low end torque". Internal Ford documentation and memos referred to the 6.2L as the Boss...even though it was of different platform than the old Ford big block 429...very different engine, but one of Bob Chandler's (Mr. Bigfoot) favorites. The 6.2L SOHC has proven to be both reliable and durable. However, it's "engine DNA" is from the FAMOUS Ford big block 427 SOHC...the engine that beat Ferrari four times in the 24 Hour Le Mans.....and outlawed by NASCAR cause the Chevrolet and Mopar guys were "crying in their beer". The SOHC engines have a higher torque curve.....higher RPM sweet spot...therefore, much better suited for cars and not trucks. The 6.2L should have been an old school push rod V8...would have been better for a Class Two and Class Three truck application. Although, it was a decent power plant for the Class One 2011 - 2014 Ford F150 Raptor trucks with IFS axle.....designed for "high speed" off-road use. These are the reasons WHY.....that I and a friend of mine decided to sell our 2019 Ford F350 and F250 Lariat trucks and order new 2022 Ford F350 Lariat Tremor trucks. We live in a remote area and will use these trucks in the mud and snow...and that can be done without tearing the trucks up. I have always used and worked my Ford Super Duty trucks hard.....but never abused the trucks. Since we are going to have these trucks for a long time, we loaded 'em up with most every option...Ultimate Package, Warn winch, Adaptive Cruise Control, Twin Panel Moon Roof, Cab Roof Clearance Lights, Upfitter Switches, Deployable Running Boards, 397 Amp Alternator and Dual Batteries, etc......everything except NO Adaptive Steering or Pro Trailer Backup Assist (SISSY BOY KNOB). The Carbonized Gray truck will have the Black Appearance Package and the Stone Gray truck will have the new Sport Appearance Package...with LED lights and Tough Bed added. We wanted the Ultimate Trailer Tow Cameras System...but no longer available as a stand alone option like in 2019. Ford packaged it with the "Sissy Boy Knob". No thanks for $1655.00. Whoever needs that backup assist Sissy Boy Knob should not b e towing a trailer. Maybe we will get the cameras, grille Ford oval, and mirrors off of wrecked Super Duty trucks from a salvage yard in the future.....and add to our trucks the hard way, Another interesting note is.....the Deployable Running Boards are not available with the Lariat trim UNLESS the truck has the Tremor Package AND either the Black Appearance Package or the new Sport Appearance Package.
@@JoeGraves24 People are putting the 7.3L in older Mustangs. I wonder if anyone has stuffed the BIG Ford 7.3L into an older 1999 - 2007 Super Duty or Excursion. Have you read or heard of these 7.3L engine swaps? We have discussed getting two Excursions and doing that engine swap.....paint tactical colors with black accents and trim. We have two older F150 trucks with the 5.4L and 9.75 rear end that are now going to be used for guiding during all the hunting seasons and other uses. We are in the process of customizing the F150's right now.....4 inch lifts, Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac 285 / 75R - 18 wrapped on Black Rhino Armory rims. We plan to eliminate all chrome...replace with black accents and trim...paint one truck TANK and the other GOBI (both Jeep Wrangler colors).
@@15Jeep Those sound like great trucks. I do believe the 6.2 is a great engine and like you said not for a pulling truck. Definitely made more for a race car than a work truck. But it’s a really reliable power plant and it does pull the loads fine. But comparing it with the 7.3 is like day and night. This new engine reminds me of the old 460s Ford ran in the 70s, 80s and 90s with all the low end torque. Only more horsepower on the top end.
Great video. Also worth mentioning, the F-250 High Capacity Tow is also identical to the F-350. It has the 4” Dana over the standard 3.5” sterling rear axle, identical 5 leaf pack, etc. Only difference as you mentioned, is the sticker in the door jam. I went the 2020 F-250 6.7 PS high capacity tow route because I’m in California. GVWR is 10,800lbs.
Expect the springs in the front are different along with the brakes and wheel bearings on my 2020 F-350 Tremor 11,500 gvwr, part numbers are different anyway.
Good info, I have a 2021 f250 with the 7.3 and 4:30 gears also, the only difference is I don't have the tremor pkg. I'm looking to purchase a travel trailer in the 8,000# range and I plan on taking regular trips through the Tahoe National Forest in California. I wouldn't have thought to use the cruise control on the downgrades.
I always get a chuckle listening to folks say a Super Duty Ford dont get good fuel mileage while towing. First off if you are a gear head and into towing heavy stuff fuel economy really isn't a major concern....that's why it's called towing. As long as you're getting the job done safely and efficiently that's all that really matters. I own two Ram 3500 Diesel 1 ton duallys. I will keep the older Diesel that's pre-emission and trade off the newer one with the DPF and get a F350 DRW 4x4 quad cab with the 7.3 gasser and 4.30 gears and 10 speed auto
I live in AZ and travel the same roads you did with my 6.7 powerstroke and 10,000 lb trailer. I get about the same mpg you did going from Globe to Show Low. Roads with out miles of steep grades I typically get around the 10-12mpg range. Nice truck!
I'm going to do another tow video driving from Tucson to Flagstaff later this month. That one has some really good inclines too. More so than the Show Low run I think.
@@BigBoyToyzz yes it does much longer inclines. I have pulled my trailer on I-17 a few times and get different mpg results each time. I think the biggest factor for me is the volume traffic and the weather. It will be interesting to see how your 7.3 does. I'm interested in transitioning to them7.3 as I don't tow enough to justify the increased cost to maintain my 6.7
Wish our tow trips were that beautiful. East coast does not compare to...well, the rest. Never been comfortable with "Engine Brake". It's a gear downshift. "Engine brake" sounds like something was designed specifically to slow the engine without the superfluous wear and tear of downshifting and running up the tach so that overheating is just around the corner. It's a sales gimmick. Not saying it doesn't do the trick when I'm going downhill, but they created it as a counterpart to the diesel engine exhaust brake that actually does a good job of keep things cool.
What you are referring to does exist and is known as a transmission retarder, pretty much standard equipment in heavy duty off road haul trucks, and would be the bomb, but total overkill for a pickup. I too am a bit surprised that Ford doesn't offer an exhaust brake option with this engine option on the F-250, perhaps it will come...I'm sure there will be, if there's not already aftermarket solutions. But, a big 7.3L does offer substantial compression braking which would help prolong brake life of the truck and trailer. I have been pulling with 3.5 Eco's since 2011, and although they pull like a banshee.....compression braking they do not provide due to the small engine displacement. Another thing to consider is that under compression braking conditions there is zero torque being produced by the engine, also resulting in very low levels of heat being produced by it and the torque converter which actually allows the engine and transmission to cool down.
Beautiful truck and travel trailer. Thanks for the video. Very informative. Interesting observation to use the cruise control in order to get better engine braking. Your engine however runs more efficiently in colder temps than in hotter weather. Enjoy the truck and your camping trips.
Fantastic Video, great job! Fabulous videoing of the tach and speedo. This is exactly the performance data I have been seeking for the 7.3L in real world usage. I have been pulling with 3.5 Eco's since 2011 with normal loads of 8-11K, they have been fantastic but I'm needing to look to heavier spring packages in the future, and am not too interested in the high operating costs on top of the initial investment of modern diesels. I can see that the engine performance of the Godzilla, based on your video is very comparable to my beloved 3.5 Eco's and provides an extremely viable alternative for me with just as good if not better longevity ( I normally trade around 150K miles) Towing mileage is in the ballpark as well on 87-E10. Thank you for you efforts and for sharing this. God Bless!
Great video. For anyone who doesn't know, this is one of the routes the big 3 test their trucks on. High temperatures (115 degrees in summer) and 8% extended grades. Wish you would have shown dripping springs and salt river canyon
2020 Expedition with 3.5L HO engine, transmission cooler, and 10 speed transmission towing 7500lb trailer works fine as long as trailer under 30ft , but generally have to go slower down winding mountain passes and transmission braking can briefly increase transmission temp and have had one occasion in hot weather where temp >240 and vehicle went into a loud cooling mode. For 36ft and 8k+ lbs, f350 would be right vehicle.
I'm in Arizona (Tempe) so please keep these videos coming! I want to see how the truck will do in the middle of the summer climbing up to Show Low again or Flagstaff. Our long steep mountain grades with extreme temps can get those temps on the truck way up there. Our travel trailer is a little smaller than yours so seeing what temps you get will be nice to know. I plan on getting this exact truck next year. I had a 2017 6.7 F250 but was overkill and was tired of spending money on diesel maintenance. The repairs would get scary. I'm digging the new Tremor and 7.3L with 10 speed. Thanks for posting! Can't wait to see more videos in July/August when its really hot outside. What was your max coolant and transmission temp you hit on the climb?
I've done that trip many times going through Phoenix at over 115 degrees. The truck did fine, but I did let some air out of the tires on both truck and trailer because they got over a 100 psi because of the heat. Ill do another video when it gets hot. It got to 90 in Tucson today already.
I really like your rig, with one exception. You have a white truck. Now, there isn't anything inherently wrong with white, except for the fact that it seems to be damn near the only color you can get an F-250 or higher truck. In my neck of the woods (Utah) there are lots of 250/350 trucks available and 7/8 are white! At the XL and lower trim levels I get that white is probably a good base pallet for work vehicles. You get above the XL trim and people are buying these for personal use as well. Now this isn't your fault, or have anything to do with your video. I just had to get on my soap box. By the way, that is a gorgeous campground you have there!
Living in AZ, I would imagine white is a logical choice. I lived in Yuma for two years and hated every second of it. I would only own a white car in AZ myself. 🙂
Great video thanks for sharing. We are in AZ as well and have a 2022 F-250 7.3 on order. We also enjoy vacationing to the white mountains, beautiful country
Yea man, I'm on my second 1000 dollar issues because of emissions bullshit. Unless you are pulling heavy weight literally all the time it's 100% not worth the hassle.
My wife's daily driver is a 16 Ram with the 6.7 Cummins. 123,000+ trouble free miles so far. 17 to 20 mpg oil changes every 15,000 fuel filters I go 30,000
@@marcogomez3128 100% stock. I have no reason to do a delete and eventually when I do have a problem I have just about everything DPF EGR and sensors off a friend's 16 that had less then 5000 miles when deleted.
You might want to consider backing off on your speed towing to around 70 or so. Speed builds heat and excessive heat with Rv tires can lead to failure. Especially OM trailer tires. Something to keep in mind
I took the stock tires off before first trip. Now I run Goodyear endurance tires which are rated to 87 mph. I also have tire trailer heat and pressure monitor so I can constantly watch for any potential problems.
Nice truck!! I have it’s twin. Same color and everything!! I really like the 7.3 except for the gas mileage but I knew going into it that it wouldn’t be great!!
Nice! I’m impressed with the 7.3L! I have a 2021 Tremor with the 6.7 L Diesel and average 19 to 23 mpg freeway and 15-17 mpg city. Towing only affects those numbers by 1 to 2 mpg.
The power of the diesel is unmatched obviously but the problems that comes with it is 50/50 chance of spending $5-10k in repairs after warranty expires in any brand diesels. If you tow less than 10,000 lbs you really don’t need a diesel at all.
And never get a diesel. I own a 2016 Duramax. My high pressure fuel pump just went at only 50,000 miles, sent metal all through the injectors and fuel system. Cost me $12k to fix. I'm trading it in soon for the truck that you have.
@@zackzander425 Lots of labor time, cab has to be raised off chassis to do the job. They worked on my truck for 40hrs. So they said anyway. Think the dealer charged $200 an hour for diesel work.
Great review I drive my mostly unladen. I have 6500 lbs pontoon I was pulling with my 02 ram it did ok big difference between the two. The gas mileage is about the same so I think Ford did a great job with the Godzilla and 10 speed combination. I think about gas mileage but I'm just going to drive and enjoy. I'm going to try a 93 towing trip just to see. I think the way the cooling is in the Godzilla it probably keeps the knock down anyway.
From what I've read, the leaf springs may be the same between the F250 and F350 but the axle diameter is different and that's why the higher payload rating for the F350. Nice to see a good towing video with the 7.3 gasser w/ 4:30 gears. This could replace our V-10 w/ 4:10 gears someday
Thanks for sharing the video. I want to be into one of those trucks in a couple of years. I run a spreadsheet on milage, fuel in and fuel out. Ford's in truck computer always shows about 1 MPG more on average over actual numbers. It's good for general information, but I wish it was a little closer to the real number.
Nice truck,, I like the white on black look,,I got a 2020,6.2 gasser took it to Vegas pulling a 30ft trailer 5500lbs,one way was 1500plus miles and got an average of 10mpgs but daily was like 6,7mpg,,
I ly thing that can beat that is an f450 with a chassis body and gooseneck hookup and 4.88 gears. You got a great truck!!! I can hear that it's a good one.
That camper is nothing for that truck ! There is a guy on CZcams who towed a gooseneck trailer with a backhoe loaded total weight 24K through hilly inclines the . 7.3 handled it like a champ! Only thing that worries me about these trucks are the trans. Some diesel hotshots are reporting harsh bang shifting at 55-60K miles on numerous trucks with their F-450s.
I heard that too about the transmissions. I think Ford will work it out like they always do with their problems. I have had really good luck with Ford Automatics. The 7.3 Power Stroke did have a pretty shity automatic though.
How does the truck feel with that kind of a lots of load, by the way how much that truck coast you just curious, I love the truck, thinking to get me one, right now I have a 2019 F-150 3,5 Eccoboost 10 speed FX4 XLT only 3843 miles in it, please let tell a little bit how do you like the truck? Thank you
TFL doesn't use cruise going UP the Ike due to wanting to get there as fast as can and think 60 is the speed IF the vehicle will do it steadily. They do use cruise going DOWN the Ike at 50 mph, and they count brake use if the speed goes about 60.
I have a 2017 F-250 with the 6.7 and I average 13.86mpg (nearly double) towing a 12,000lb trailer (17.5 empty). I also have the Carli 2.5 Pintop suspension system with 37's, a brush guard/winch and headache rack. I'm not saying this to brag, but my truck is tall and at least 1,200lbs heavier before the trailer. Another benefit of the diesel is that driving on the same roads that you did, the diesel doesn't need to downshift to maintain speed up or down hill...it is like the earth is flat. It is a smack in the face realization...hard to explain to those that don't tow. I am not trying to shit talk, it is just amazing the difference between gas & diesel. My truck, I purchased it new, now has 107,000mi on it and I've literally only changed the fuel/oil filters and oil/tire rotation. It still has the factory brake pads front/rear. The Super Duty is an amazing truck!!! Thank you for making this video...long live Godzilla!!!
I've been researching this very thing for the last 2 weeks and that's by far the best fuel economy I've ever heard of. Also, thats a very exact number for an average....
@@akowned1 the reason it’s an exact number is due to my 37’s. I can no longer use the in-dash trip computer (12.6) and I have to multiply that number by 1.1, which equals 13.86. It’s the same with my speed, at 70 on the speedo I’m actually doing 77…that’s the truth. I figured this out by driving on I80 across the salt flats and paid attention the what was the last 100mi of GPS on the interstate and after 100mi (based on GPS) my odometer said I had only went 90.9mi. That gave me the “formula” to determine speed and mpg
@@akowned1 That's because it's not true. He's not getting 13.86 while towing. Pipe dream. Or maybe he lives in NE or KS where there are literally no hills. I also have a F250 with a 6.7 and pull a similar weight trailer, so I know first hand what mileage to expect.
Since this seems to be controversial…I’ll add in a few other dynamics. I never tow over 70mph even if the speed is 80. I don’t accelerate like an old man, but I have NEVER “floored it” in this truck. I have since traded for the 2021 7.3 gas and I have no regrets. I transferred all mentioned equipment (carli, winch etc). I actually get better EMPTY mileage but I do suffer 1-1.5mpg loss under load. I am not exaggerating my numbers…why would I? It’s not like I made it or I am trying to sell you one. It is my experience and I am detail oriented thinker. The 6.7 made the earth seem flat (no downshifting uphill or riding the brake downhill), but the new 7.3 handles 12k load with ease. It does shift a lot more and I wonder if it is the 10 vs 6 speed or gas vs diesel. Maybe you can answer. I tell my friends…if you’re deaf you couldn’t tell the difference while towing. To answer a few questions: I live in UT and I start my day at 5,086 feet. I usually tow within a 6 state radius and I have no idea what I would get at sea level or on level routes w/o extreme up/down hills. Try this, put your screen on instant mpg and see if you can average 15+ mpg driving. It may change your driving style, but give it a shot. Either I’m lucky 2x’s in a row or I drive different…I don’t know.
Looking at probably ordering a F-350 with the 7.3 and 4:30 gears, did you order this truck and if so how long did it take to get it and what’s the process of ordering? I’m guessing no payments until it arrives? Thanks for any info and great video of this truck
Pretty easy. Go to the ford website and build the truck the way you want it. Then print it and take it to the dealer and agree on a price. They then order it for you which can take anywhere from 6 weeks to 6 months to get to you. You don't make any payments until you accept the truck. You can also email your build to multiple dealers to price shop. I would hate to be in the market right now with the way pricing is. Good luck... seriously :)
Thanks for your video. You answered a lot of my questions. I'm trying to get a new F350 cc long bed to replace my 08 Dodge QC 4x4 long bed with a 6.7 Cummins diesel. Why? I want some of the new tech items like USB plugs, BLIS, cameras in places I can't turn my head, etc. I do want the 7.3 gas engine since it will do what I want (as you've shown) and the cost of fuel is a big difference. Although right now the cost of diesel vs. gas is only ten to 20 cents difference, at times it has been as much as a dollar a gallon different. Since I drive my truck fewer than 7,000 miles a year now, it would take a long time to break even on the cost difference. I use a slide-in truck camper (3,000#) and sometimes tow my Jeep Wrangler on a 16' utility trailer.
This is the video I really needed to see. I’m now comfortable with retiring my old 7.3 Powerstroke, and moving into a new 7.3 with the 10 speed. It’s the downhill part that I really needed to understand. Ironically, I pull a Ranscend rail similar to ours (27BHS), and tow through the Sierra Nevada’s, Trinity Alps, Cascades, and the Siskiyou range. I know there’s a few 8% and 9% grades in hose mountains, b based on what I see here I should be fine.
Great video! I saw you had the sticker on your trailer for the Ford trailer backup assist. Do you like using that for backing up your camper? I was debating whether or not to setup ours.
With the 10 speed trans the 4.30 revs almost the same at highway speeds. Where the 4.30 and the 10 speed shine are the first 3 gears. You love it and regret it if you don't get the 4.30 gears. Are you going gas or diesel? The diesel won't matter as much because of the 1000 foot pounds of torque.
@@BigBoyToyzz that just seems stupid hot, but I see it's the new trend. I put a Mag Hytec and an auxiliary cooler, and a Mishimoto Trans cooler on my old 7.3L powerstroke when I had it to keep the Temps down.
Love your channel and just subscribed. I have the same but blacked out version. Did you know you can buy a kit from Ford that incorporates TPSM and a trailer camera into your dashboard display? I put one in and love it. No extra devices on my dash to monitor TPMS or the camera.
Okay. Tows better than my 7.3 diesel. I was trying to figure out what nearly 100 more horsepower and 50 less torque translated to when towing. Most important to me, I see you’ve got an interesting place for a spare tire on the tongue of your trailer. Was that a mod or just an efficient use of space. Gonna check out my GD tongue when I get home.
I got this from Amazon. (See below) Also don't forget to get the 2 inch to 2 1/2 inch sleeve adapter. Equal-i-zer 90-02-4300 Specialty Drop Shank 2 Inch Square - 6 Inch drop/10 Inch Rise x 12 Inch Length (XL12)
Not bad at 75 mph. My 2006 duramax only gets about 14 towing at 60, not really worth the 10 k more in truck cost. Must say the duramax pulls hard but will not get another diesel.
I have the same truck but I can't figure out how to get the temperature above the gauges. I do show miles to empty but no coolant or transmission. Any ideas?
I think using yours cruise control while going downhill is putting a strain on your transmission while increasing your engine rpm not sure that's a good thing .
I think that there is a little difference between the f250 and f350. The f350 has a little heavier rear end just to handle the weight a bit better but other that that, thats it.
It’s unlikely that you can haul cruise going up to the Eisenhower tunnel in Colorado. It’s about seven or 8 miles at around six or 7% grade, I’ve tried it with several different trucks and And I don’t like the constant up and down shifting on the transmission. So I just lock the overdrive off and pull up manually
I have done those with ease in AZ for even more than 8 miles and the truck will pass slower vehicles no problem and hold 70mph. Don't know what it would do at 15k to 20k. My trailer is only 8k so nothing much for the truck.
@@BigBoyToyzz It should pull it just fine in Arizona. The only difference when we pull up the Eisenhower, is that we hit about 11,200 feet, so any naturally aspirated engine is going to lose about 30% power by the time you get close to the top.
You are absolutely correct....cruise control does not work on those grades at that elevation. I have towed horse trailers with Ford F350 4WD SRW trucks and diesel engine under the hood up and down Eisenhower Tunnel (Ike Gauntlet), Vail Pass, Rabbit Ears Pass, Monarch Pass, Wolf Creek Pass, etc......and manually operating the accelerator is the way too go...cause cruise control makes the transmission constantly shift up and down.
Wow!!! I am very surprised by your MPG especially with 4.30 gears...... Great Test!
Thanks for watching JB! For those that don't know, he has an awesome channel with great content. Subscribe to him!
35 inch tires....
@@daveyaremko1342 ?
That's great mpg. I stayed with the diesel I'm travel 50k a yr and average 18 pulling 12k and 24 mpg if I stay under 70 that's with 331 gear and you have 430 that's great
@@BigBoyToyzz thanks bro 👍🏾
We bought our 7.3 last year and tow camper and trailers in the Big Horns of Wyoming. No need for a diesel. And it’s our daily driver. We love it. Getting a lightweight 5th wheel to tow this weekend. Unloaded about the same as your rv. GVWR 11k. Thanks for the video. It reassured me we made the right choice with our Godzilla.
I’m thinking about getting the same truck but I’m afraid it wouldn’t be good truck as daily driver. Are you getting about 13 to 15 range MPG’s? If I can get at least 14 MPG that would be great.
FYI - TFL truck does their tests using cruise control up and down I-70. Your review is more appropriate to how I will use mine. It takes fuel to move weight, so MPG is what it is. But the 7.3 looks to make the experience much better. I’m trading my 17 F250 6.2 for a 22 F250 7.3 Tremor. I can’t wait to give it a whirl.
Your going to love it! I have some other tow videos as well. Make sure you check them out.
I bought a 2022 F250 7.3ltr Gasser, put a Supercharger on it from ProCharger, and I get at average of 12 MPG but when I am pulling my trailer 7500 lbs I get about 7.5 Mpg and with my Supercharger I get 640 HP, but I don't let my truck shift down so much, mostly drive the Interstates! I-40 I-25 I-70 I-80 Hwy 65 in Missouri!
I got my 2020 7.3 F350 gasser in December.
I've been pulling several trailers in the past few months. My mileage while towing is nothing to write home about but the power is good. I won't be going back to diesel.
Thanks for sharing your (real world) Towing experience. Love that exhaust note!
And thats all stock too.
Thanks for the video. It's the best one I've seen, especially with the varying grades. I just got a 7.3L F-350 with 4.30 gears. I've only towed my trailer about 15 miles so far, so haven't been quite sure what to expect. I opted for the long bed, though, one of the reasons being the 48-gallon fuel tank to help extend my range a bit.
What size fuel tanks do the short beds have?
@@Aggieland79 I believe they are 34 gallons on the short bed.
How is the 7.3 with the 4.30 gears for a daily driver? I’m in the northeast and only tow during the summer but the truck would be a daily driver.
@@jsemtp2005 I'm loving it. It's comfortable and rides much smoother than I had anticipated. The down side is that I make a lot of short trips around town and am only getting about 9mpg. Also, as much as I love having the long bed, it does make parking a little tougher. I don't put on a lot of miles, so paying a little extra for gas around town doesn't hurt my feelings to have the power and payload I need for towing. I feel pretty good that I picked the right truck for my scenario.
@@justinwilliams50 thanks for the reply. If I may ask another question. I feel that the 4.30 is great for towing but is it shifting to higher gears just to get you going from a stop sign or in traffic?
Great video! My 3.55 7.3L f250 seems to get nearly identical mileage towing and handle a similar trailer the same. Wish someone did a side by side video towing with the 4.30 vs the 3.55, with the 10 speed, they seem WAY close.
He also has 35 inch tires so if you have smaller tires.it may be a wash
I’m in Scottsdale, I just ordered my 2022 F250 Latiat Tremor 7.3-V8 yesterday. I have a 30 foot travel trailer. Good info. Thanks for the informative video.
Congrats... you will love it! Did you get the new 12 inch screen?
@@BigBoyToyzz yes, Oxford white, Latiat, Black leather.
@Braden Chalmers Can you share the dealer and salesman's info? My local dealer can't seem to figure out how to order a 2022. Thanks!
My dealer here in WI said he can place an order for the 22s but they don't have an allocation yet for them so he doesn't know when Ford would finally accept the order. He figured it would be until like July or so.
@@michaelkrause7672 June is when assembly starts for the 2022’s.
I have a 2006 F250 with a 5.4 Triton and 3.73 gears. I just did a trip to Mammoth from San Diego north county (350 miles) I hauled a 4,000 lb Travel trailer plus 400 lbs of cargo plus 3 in the cab. I also have a lift gate so that adds another 600 plus lbs. Lots of steep and long climbs and I was able to hold 55 on most climbs at about 4,000 rpm. I tried not to push it over that rpm so some climbs were at 50 mph. Average MPG was about 8 mpg. I didn’t like the high RPMs on those climbs so wanted to see how the 7.3 handled hauling. Great video and pleased with the difference in climbing ability with the Tremor.
That climb from Bishop to Mammoth is a grind for any vehicle towing, it’s a big, steep grade at altitude.
I love your video, I will be getting me a 7.3 in the future, I have had two diesels and the fuel has never been great , toque may have been greater but . with the ten speed and the muscle of the truck you have . is fine for me . I had a 1999mod 7.3 diesel and a six liter 2006 but the fuel milage was not better than what you got. some guys I know don’t tell you the truth about that mileage story. ,thank for showing all that you showed us on your trip. stay safe. will be watching for more.
I love my 2002 v10 excursion doesn’t matter what I put behind it still gives me 11-14 mpg pulling weekend warrior or the horses and it has a 8 in lift with 37s in souther California running 91 all stocked only a box k&n filter
Stupid. Would rather have a 8.1l gm ot 6.2
@@ToyotaNutjob - 8.1 is a turd
@@CoyoteFTW how? It makes more power than the v10 and is a whole litre larger than the v10.
Great review. We have a 2020 F3 50 lariat trimmer also with a 7.3 gas. Just made our first road trip this past week with prime time avenger 26BH. I think the curb weight might be about 5400 maybe 5500 with everything we put inside. We were averaging 60 to 70 miles an hour mostly stop and go with some interstate traffic and highway speeds. About 30 miles of stop and go traffic on interstate 35 between San Marcus and Austin Texas. Average 9.7 MPG. No steep hills or grades at all. Most of the time on the highway it was keeping it in 10th gear. 23K on the truck now and still impressed. We have had no issues as of yet.
I'm glad you liked the video. Sounds like your 7.3 is treating you well. Here is another one of my tow videos you may enjoy. Thanks for Watching! czcams.com/video/_yQG5kLeE2o/video.html
I'm not a Ford guy being a retired mechanic 40 years on the job, but I found your video very interesting. I'm not sure that personally I would trust the dealer's explanation on your transmission temps, more research on your part might be time well spent. We currently have a 2007 Winnebago Voyage 35L Class A Motorhome on a W24 Chassis (24k GVWR). The engine is a GM 8.1 liter gas coupled to a 2000 series Allison 6 speed transmission. We have driven this coach all over the country all while towing a 2002 Chevrolet Tracker. Our average mpg is about 7.5. I have had others with the same power plant in a similar RV tell me they are getting 10 to 12 mpg, this is simply BS. A big block Ford or Chevy is going to use fuel to move weight, the laws of physics apply. I appreciate your honest no BS video, showing real world accurate information. The cruise control on downhill is an excellent idea and one that never occurred to me, thanks for that! Having just purchased a 2021 GM 3500HD Diesel truck myself, and looking forward we will be moving to a fifth wheel for the next RV. Thanks for the video and all the best in your future travels.
Thanks Jim! I totally get what you are saying about the trans temps because I felt the same way. However its been beat to death all over the internet that its designed that way. Now we shall see after they have been out a few years to see if FORD is BS or not about the trans temps.
@@BigBoyToyzz From what I have read on the internet, the transmission is specifically designed to run at higher temperatures.....but only with the new high tech engineered ATF. Evidently, the new ATF allows and enables the transmission to operate at those high temperatures. What bothers me is the ATF CHANGE INTERVALS...100,000 or 150,000 miles. IMHO, that is what will lead to reliability and durability problems. Think I would change the ATF every 40,000 or 50,000 miles or every 5 to 6 years, regardless of what the manufacturer states in the owners manual.
Do you know if BG Products OR Wynn can flush either the previous 6R140 or the newer 10R140??? The fill and drain does not remove the old ATF from the torque converter.
I ran a Reese dual cam WDH w/sway control on my Tundra for almost a decade towing my 27ft 10k toy hauler in AZ. Even with my Tundra and a tall toy hauler RV, I would regularly cut through 40+mph cross winds back and forth from Glamis and the truck wouldn't even move. It was crazy how tight that setup was. Just as good as my RAM 3500 with same load, from a sway perspective. Anyway, take a look at that Reese Dual Cam setup as it allows you to roll the bar off the cam for tight turns or if your tire catches a rut or whatever... it's amazing and I highly recommend it. And btw, my Tundra with 4.3 would out accelerate my RAM 3500 with 10k load from 55mph to 80mph range. It's amazing the difference a 4:3 rear can do. I regretted getting my RAM with the 3.73. It was gutless.
Nice rigg.... alot of recreation drivers worry about squat which is very important... but you gotta remember having your trailer level is just as important and yours looks top notch man great setup
Thanks!
Diesel sucks nowadays. DEF fluid, expensive to repair, $11,000 upgrade, don't get the milage they used to. The diesel at the pumps is not what it used to be. I have to add lubricant to the fuel in my older truck to prolong the life of the injectors and pump. I'm pretty confident that I'll be buying a 7.3. Thanks for this review.
Completely Agree. I just ordered a 2022 Ford F350 Lariat 7.3L with Ultimate Package, Black Appearance Package, Tremor Package and several options on March 30th. The dealer said to expect a late August to early September delivery date.
Two45s sounds like a really nice truck that’s how I’d option it. I like the F-350 SRWs. Long time to wait though. Damn.
@@zackzander425 Yeah...it is a long time to wait...BUT, will be worth it to get a truck built with the desired options. Good friend ordered an almost identical truck the same day from the same dealer. We got $4875 off of MSRP. I am use to getting MUCH LARGER DISCOUNT off MSRP. However, VERY FEW dealers will discount Tremor trucks. Both trucks are well loaded Lariats...one Carbonized Gray and one Stone Gray. Unfortunately, Lithium Gray is not available on the 2022 Super Duty.
The only difference is...his truck will have the new Sport Appearance Package...only because the Black Appearance Package was (is) not available with the Stone Gray color.
Both trucks have the same list of options...including the 7.3L, Tremor Package, Warn winch, 397 amp alternator and dual batteries, twin panel moonroof, deployable running boards, roof clearance / cab lights, upfitter switches, adaptive cruise control, gooseneck / 5th wheel prep, heated rear seat...and other options.
We wanted the ultimate trailer tow camera system...but it is not available as a stand alone option (it was in 2019). Would have been nice to have the cameras in the mirrors and on the Ford Oval up front...especially on the Tremor. We live in a remote area and will be using these trucks in the mud off-road and in the snow both off-road and on paved roads. We just got a Polaris Ranger 1000 UTV a couple of weeks ago...and the tracks came in Thursday and got those installed yesterday. It is a cool machine!
Those extra cameras are combined as a package with the pro trailer backup assist (the SISSY BOY KNOB). So...we added the CHMSL camera. We did not get adaptive steering or the pro trailer backup assist...the SISSY BOY KNOB. I don't need or want that Sissy Boy Knob on the dash of my truck...especially for $1655.
Think we will join the Ford Tremor website -------> www.fordtremor.com so we can learn and possibly contribute useful information to other owners of the Super Duty Tremor.
Since Ford will be offering the Tremor Package on other vehicles...the F150 and Ranger.....maybe there should be a dedicated website for only Super Duty Tremors.
@@15Jeep Haha. Yeah its really sad Ford offers that Sissy Boy Knob. Backing a trailer is just something a man should know how to do. Just like urinating standing up.
Nice truck.. I love the exhaust note of the Godzilla.
Omg thats the first thing my wife noticed when we test drive ours 2 weeks ago! She said ooooh i like the sound of that😁
Excellent information. Especially the down hill cruise control and fuel economy info. Ford owes you a bird dog fee. I was on the fence but this is my soon to next truck to tow my toy hauler.
Glad it was helpful!
Just bought a new F350 7.3. People are just starting to realize that this engine is a different animal. The compression ratio is 10.5:1 (compared to the 6.2 liter’s 9.8:1). That changes the torque curve radically. It’s exactly what these super duty trucks needed (unless you can afford a diesel). Puts the 6.2 to shame, in my opinion anyway.
The 7.3L puts the 6.2L to shame? That is GREAT NEWS! That is saying a lot about the 7.3L. I sold a 2019 F350 6.2L truck last month and it towed pretty dang good for a gas engine truck.....far from my previous Ford Powerstroke diesel trucks.....but the 6.2L towed moderate to medium loads well.
I ordered a new 2022 F350 Lariat 7.3L - Ultimate Package - Black Appearance Package - Tremor Package - Warn winch and every option...EXCEPT the Adaptive Steering or the Pro Trailer Backup Assist. Good Friend ordered an almost identical truck except different color and his truck will have the Sport Appearance Package...and he added the LED lights and Tough Bed spray in liner. We ordered the two trucks from the same dealer on the same day.
@@15Jeep You won’t be disappointed! I’m amazed at the low end torque when taking off. Towed 8k pound fertilizer buggies last week and I couldn’t even tell it was back there. The 6.2 used a lot of RPMs to get up to speed and kicked into lower gears at any hill. I stayed in 10th gear most of the time and never got above 2500 rpm
@@JoeGraves24 It would be good if more people could read your comments. Your descriptions of the differences between the 6.2L and 7.3L are SPOT ON.....the "compression ratios", "torque curve", "low end torque".
Internal Ford documentation and memos referred to the 6.2L as the Boss...even though it was of different platform than the old Ford big block 429...very different engine, but one of Bob Chandler's (Mr. Bigfoot) favorites.
The 6.2L SOHC has proven to be both reliable and durable. However, it's "engine DNA" is from the FAMOUS Ford big block 427 SOHC...the engine that beat Ferrari four times in the 24 Hour Le Mans.....and outlawed by NASCAR cause the Chevrolet and Mopar guys were "crying in their beer". The SOHC engines have a higher torque curve.....higher RPM sweet spot...therefore, much better suited for cars and not trucks.
The 6.2L should have been an old school push rod V8...would have been better for a Class Two and Class Three truck application. Although, it was a decent power plant for the Class One 2011 - 2014 Ford F150 Raptor trucks with IFS axle.....designed for "high speed" off-road use.
These are the reasons WHY.....that I and a friend of mine decided to sell our 2019 Ford F350 and F250 Lariat trucks and order new 2022 Ford F350 Lariat Tremor trucks. We live in a remote area and will use these trucks in the mud and snow...and that can be done without tearing the trucks up. I have always used and worked my Ford Super Duty trucks hard.....but never abused the trucks.
Since we are going to have these trucks for a long time, we loaded 'em up with most every option...Ultimate Package, Warn winch, Adaptive Cruise Control, Twin Panel Moon Roof, Cab Roof Clearance Lights, Upfitter Switches, Deployable Running Boards, 397 Amp Alternator and Dual Batteries, etc......everything except NO Adaptive Steering or Pro Trailer Backup Assist (SISSY BOY KNOB). The Carbonized Gray truck will have the Black Appearance Package and the Stone Gray truck will have the new Sport Appearance Package...with LED lights and Tough Bed added.
We wanted the Ultimate Trailer Tow Cameras System...but no longer available as a stand alone option like in 2019. Ford packaged it with the "Sissy Boy Knob". No thanks for $1655.00. Whoever needs that backup assist Sissy Boy Knob should not b e towing a trailer. Maybe we will get the cameras, grille Ford oval, and mirrors off of wrecked Super Duty trucks from a salvage yard in the future.....and add to our trucks the hard way,
Another interesting note is.....the Deployable Running Boards are not available with the Lariat trim UNLESS the truck has the Tremor Package AND either the Black Appearance Package or the new Sport Appearance Package.
@@JoeGraves24 People are putting the 7.3L in older Mustangs. I wonder if anyone has stuffed the BIG Ford 7.3L into an older 1999 - 2007 Super Duty or Excursion. Have you read or heard of these 7.3L engine swaps? We have discussed getting two Excursions and doing that engine swap.....paint tactical colors with black accents and trim.
We have two older F150 trucks with the 5.4L and 9.75 rear end that are now going to be used for guiding during all the hunting seasons and other uses. We are in the process of customizing the F150's right now.....4 inch lifts, Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac 285 / 75R - 18 wrapped on Black Rhino Armory rims. We plan to eliminate all chrome...replace with black accents and trim...paint one truck TANK and the other GOBI (both Jeep Wrangler colors).
@@15Jeep Those sound like great trucks. I do believe the 6.2 is a great engine and like you said not for a pulling truck. Definitely made more for a race car than a work truck. But it’s a really reliable power plant and it does pull the loads fine. But comparing it with the 7.3 is like day and night. This new engine reminds me of the old 460s Ford ran in the 70s, 80s and 90s with all the low end torque. Only more horsepower on the top end.
Great video. Thank you for sharing. Fun to see the weight distribution hitch and hear all of the numbers involved. You covered it all
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i think this has convinced me to have the money for upgrades and get the 7.3 gas tremor
Love my 7.3 gasser
@@shanelawrence3972 can save about 8k by getting the 7.3 over the 6.7 thats plenty of money for mods
Great video. Also worth mentioning, the F-250 High Capacity Tow is also identical to the F-350. It has the 4” Dana over the standard 3.5” sterling rear axle, identical 5 leaf pack, etc. Only difference as you mentioned, is the sticker in the door jam. I went the 2020 F-250 6.7 PS high capacity tow route because I’m in California. GVWR is 10,800lbs.
Expect the springs in the front are different along with the brakes and wheel bearings on my 2020 F-350 Tremor 11,500 gvwr, part numbers are different anyway.
2000 rpm towing a trailer, that’s insane, wish I could pay the price tag for one of these, they seem like they are well built for today’s standards
I’ve always thought that about TFL when they test the downhill part. They aren’t using the truck as designed for down hill speed control.
Good info, I have a 2021 f250 with the 7.3 and 4:30 gears also, the only difference is I don't have the tremor pkg. I'm looking to purchase a travel trailer in the 8,000# range and I plan on taking regular trips through the Tahoe National Forest in California. I wouldn't have thought to use the cruise control on the downgrades.
This past 6-7 years Ford is just damn impressive with their trucks.
I always get a chuckle listening to folks say a Super Duty Ford dont get good fuel mileage while towing. First off if you are a gear head and into towing heavy stuff fuel economy really isn't a major concern....that's why it's called towing. As long as you're getting the job done safely and efficiently that's all that really matters. I own two Ram 3500 Diesel 1 ton duallys. I will keep the older Diesel that's pre-emission and trade off the newer one with the DPF and get a F350 DRW 4x4 quad cab with the 7.3 gasser and 4.30 gears and 10 speed auto
I live in AZ and travel the same roads you did with my 6.7 powerstroke and 10,000 lb trailer. I get about the same mpg you did going from Globe to Show Low. Roads with out miles of steep grades I typically get around the 10-12mpg range. Nice truck!
I'm going to do another tow video driving from Tucson to Flagstaff later this month. That one has some really good inclines too. More so than the Show Low run I think.
@@BigBoyToyzz yes it does much longer inclines. I have pulled my trailer on I-17 a few times and get different mpg results each time. I think the biggest factor for me is the volume traffic and the weather. It will be interesting to see how your 7.3 does. I'm interested in transitioning to them7.3 as I don't tow enough to justify the increased cost to maintain my 6.7
Nice!! I have a 2020 iconic silver Tremor with the 6.7. I love towing with this truck!
Wish our tow trips were that beautiful. East coast does not compare to...well, the rest. Never been comfortable with "Engine Brake". It's a gear downshift. "Engine brake" sounds like something was designed specifically to slow the engine without the superfluous wear and tear of downshifting and running up the tach so that overheating is just around the corner. It's a sales gimmick. Not saying it doesn't do the trick when I'm going downhill, but they created it as a counterpart to the diesel engine exhaust brake that actually does a good job of keep things cool.
What you are referring to does exist and is known as a transmission retarder, pretty much standard equipment in heavy duty off road haul trucks, and would be the bomb, but total overkill for a pickup. I too am a bit surprised that Ford doesn't offer an exhaust brake option with this engine option on the F-250, perhaps it will come...I'm sure there will be, if there's not already aftermarket solutions. But, a big 7.3L does offer substantial compression braking which would help prolong brake life of the truck and trailer. I have been pulling with 3.5 Eco's since 2011, and although they pull like a banshee.....compression braking they do not provide due to the small engine displacement. Another thing to consider is that under compression braking conditions there is zero torque being produced by the engine, also resulting in very low levels of heat being produced by it and the torque converter which actually allows the engine and transmission to cool down.
Beautiful truck and travel trailer. Thanks for the video. Very informative. Interesting observation to use the cruise control in order to get better engine braking. Your engine however runs more efficiently in colder temps than in hotter weather. Enjoy the truck and your camping trips.
Here is some info on that..
www.boston.com/cars/news-and-reviews/2016/01/22/how-cold-weather-kills-your-gas-mileage-and-what-to-do-about-it
Also agree that TFL truck downhill towing tests without cruise on are pretty much useless.
Fantastic Video, great job! Fabulous videoing of the tach and speedo. This is exactly the performance data I have been seeking for the 7.3L in real world usage. I have been pulling with 3.5 Eco's since 2011 with normal loads of 8-11K, they have been fantastic but I'm needing to look to heavier spring packages in the future, and am not too interested in the high operating costs on top of the initial investment of modern diesels. I can see that the engine performance of the Godzilla, based on your video is very comparable to my beloved 3.5 Eco's and provides an extremely viable alternative for me with just as good if not better longevity ( I normally trade around 150K miles) Towing mileage is in the ballpark as well on 87-E10. Thank you for you efforts and for sharing this. God Bless!
Thank you! Check out this tow video too! czcams.com/video/_yQG5kLeE2o/video.html
Great video. For anyone who doesn't know, this is one of the routes the big 3 test their trucks on. High temperatures (115 degrees in summer) and 8% extended grades.
Wish you would have shown dripping springs and salt river canyon
The Godzilla is becoming a cult engine.
I'll stick with the 6.7...
@@stepfour Congratulations.
@@Icutmetal the 7.3 has literally nothing on the 6.7. The 7.3 is a slow underpowered turd
@@benjaminturpin2749 Opinions differ.
@@benjaminturpin2749
An expensive turd.
Fantastic Truck. Thanks for this reveal. NO DIESEL! bill in Florida
2020 Expedition with 3.5L HO engine, transmission cooler, and 10 speed transmission towing 7500lb trailer works fine as long as trailer under 30ft , but generally have to go slower down winding mountain passes and transmission braking can briefly increase transmission temp and have had one occasion in hot weather where temp >240 and vehicle went into a loud cooling mode. For 36ft and 8k+ lbs, f350 would be right vehicle.
I'm in Arizona (Tempe) so please keep these videos coming! I want to see how the truck will do in the middle of the summer climbing up to Show Low again or Flagstaff. Our long steep mountain grades with extreme temps can get those temps on the truck way up there. Our travel trailer is a little smaller than yours so seeing what temps you get will be nice to know. I plan on getting this exact truck next year. I had a 2017 6.7 F250 but was overkill and was tired of spending money on diesel maintenance. The repairs would get scary. I'm digging the new Tremor and 7.3L with 10 speed. Thanks for posting! Can't wait to see more videos in July/August when its really hot outside. What was your max coolant and transmission temp you hit on the climb?
I've done that trip many times going through Phoenix at over 115 degrees. The truck did fine, but I did let some air out of the tires on both truck and trailer because they got over a 100 psi because of the heat. Ill do another video when it gets hot. It got to 90 in Tucson today already.
just curious what issue's you had with your 6.7, I'm looking into buying either one.
I really like your rig, with one exception. You have a white truck. Now, there isn't anything inherently wrong with white, except for the fact that it seems to be damn near the only color you can get an F-250 or higher truck. In my neck of the woods (Utah) there are lots of 250/350 trucks available and 7/8 are white! At the XL and lower trim levels I get that white is probably a good base pallet for work vehicles. You get above the XL trim and people are buying these for personal use as well.
Now this isn't your fault, or have anything to do with your video. I just had to get on my soap box. By the way, that is a gorgeous campground you have there!
Living in AZ, I would imagine white is a logical choice. I lived in Yuma for two years and hated every second of it. I would only own a white car in AZ myself. 🙂
As an Arizonan, white is the only color Ill buy from now on. It honestly makes a difference.
Great video thanks for sharing. We are in AZ as well and have a 2022 F-250 7.3 on order. We also enjoy vacationing to the white mountains, beautiful country
Love the truck! Great review!
Thanks!
In mn 1tons are charged $140 yr for yearly stickers. If you have 250 it will be 600- 700 yr for 3 yrs depending on value. Pays to get 1 ton here
I wish. Cost me 900 a year for this. If it were an 85k diesel I’d be around 1200.
Diesels are just a pain in the ass with all the emissions stuff.
Yea man, I'm on my second 1000 dollar issues because of emissions bullshit. Unless you are pulling heavy weight literally all the time it's 100% not worth the hassle.
My wife's daily driver is a 16 Ram with the 6.7 Cummins. 123,000+ trouble free miles so far. 17 to 20 mpg oil changes every 15,000 fuel filters I go 30,000
@@srn9973 i assume its deleted
@@marcogomez3128 100% stock. I have no reason to do a delete and eventually when I do have a problem I have just about everything DPF EGR and sensors off a friend's 16 that had less then 5000 miles when deleted.
@@srn9973 how much are you towing? 17-20mpg is pretty solid numbers.
You might want to consider backing off on your speed towing to around 70 or so. Speed builds heat and excessive heat with Rv tires can lead to failure. Especially OM trailer tires. Something to keep in mind
I took the stock tires off before first trip. Now I run Goodyear endurance tires which are rated to 87 mph. I also have tire trailer heat and pressure monitor so I can constantly watch for any potential problems.
Nice truck!! I have it’s twin. Same color and everything!! I really like the 7.3 except for the gas mileage but I knew going into it that it wouldn’t be great!!
Nice! I’m impressed with the 7.3L! I have a 2021 Tremor with the 6.7 L Diesel and average 19 to 23 mpg freeway and 15-17 mpg city. Towing only affects those numbers by 1 to 2 mpg.
Very nice!
I’ve never gotten better than 15 mpg out of my 6.7 ever
Most importantly, you passed through 12,345.6 on the odometer!
The power of the diesel is unmatched obviously but the problems that comes with it is 50/50 chance of spending $5-10k in repairs after warranty expires in any brand diesels. If you tow less than 10,000 lbs you really don’t need a diesel at all.
The only thing preventing this engine from absolutely destroying any diesel in this class is a turbocharger.
And never get a diesel. I own a 2016 Duramax. My high pressure fuel pump just went at only 50,000 miles, sent metal all through the injectors and fuel system. Cost me $12k to fix. I'm trading it in soon for the truck that you have.
Yeah I have a 2015.....no issues yet. But a cp3 swap can fix that problem....the 7.3 is sweet though
Yea the cp4 are very sensitive on fuel and lubricants on like the guy above said cp3 swap
Damn. How can it cost more to fix than the entire engine when optioned new?
@@zackzander425 Lots of labor time, cab has to be raised off chassis to do the job. They worked on my truck for 40hrs. So they said anyway. Think the dealer charged $200 an hour for diesel work.
rich r that’s terrible. I can’t believe warranty doesn’t cover the fuel system. You just helped me make up my mind even more.
Nice Truck! You are practically neighbors with my parents as well.
Good info on the cruise control! Nice truck
Great review I drive my mostly unladen. I have 6500 lbs pontoon I was pulling with my 02 ram it did ok big difference between the two. The gas mileage is about the same so I think Ford did a great job with the Godzilla and 10 speed combination. I think about gas mileage but I'm just going to drive and enjoy. I'm going to try a 93 towing trip just to see. I think the way the cooling is in the Godzilla it probably keeps the knock down anyway.
Thanks Miles! You might like this video too. czcams.com/video/_yQG5kLeE2o/video.html
Pulled my 28’ Winnebago Minnie from Gulfport Mississippi back to Southwest Iowa with my 2020 F25O lariat with the 7.3 motor I averaged 8.4 MPH.
Excellent review! Thank you very much! Alaskan!
Check out my other tow video too. Lots of info.
From what I've read, the leaf springs may be the same between the F250 and F350 but the axle diameter is different and that's why the higher payload rating for the F350. Nice to see a good towing video with the 7.3 gasser w/ 4:30 gears. This could replace our V-10 w/ 4:10 gears someday
I have another tow video coming out in about a week which I'm trying to out due my last one lol.
I think I saw you driving around one day, I was shocked to see another tremor, I got a antimatter blue tremor, 7.3 love it for sure
We are rare!
7.3L GODZILLA Emblem Decals... found
They have them for the Doors and Tailgate
they are on Amazon under
7.3L GODZILLA DECALS
Why let the thieves know what you have? I have a 7.3 powerstroke and removed the badges for this reason.
@@fahey6797 This dudes just trying to push his amazon sales commenting on every ford Super Duty video.
Thanks for sharing the video. I want to be into one of those trucks in a couple of years. I run a spreadsheet on milage, fuel in and fuel out. Ford's in truck computer always shows about 1 MPG more on average over actual numbers. It's good for general information, but I wish it was a little closer to the real number.
I thought I saw where that can be corrected in Forscan also.....
Nice truck,, I like the white on black look,,I got a 2020,6.2 gasser took it to Vegas pulling a 30ft trailer 5500lbs,one way was 1500plus miles and got an average of 10mpgs but daily was like 6,7mpg,,
I ly thing that can beat that is an f450 with a chassis body and gooseneck hookup and 4.88 gears. You got a great truck!!! I can hear that it's a good one.
I love the video stay safe . will be watching .
Nice place you got. Room around you I am jealous. Mired in the city.
I'm in Vail also. I guess I'll keep my 350 registered in NC.
Yep!
That camper is nothing for that truck ! There is a guy on CZcams who towed a gooseneck trailer with a backhoe loaded total weight 24K through hilly inclines the . 7.3 handled it like a champ! Only thing that worries me about these trucks are the trans. Some diesel hotshots are reporting harsh bang shifting at 55-60K miles on numerous trucks with their F-450s.
I heard that too about the transmissions. I think Ford will work it out like they always do with their problems. I have had really good luck with Ford Automatics. The 7.3 Power Stroke did have a pretty shity automatic though.
In California the speed limit towing is 55 so the milage would be better I believe where you did 75.
Definitely, the faster you go the worse the MPG.
Lol
If you have a 4.30, wouldn’t it drop even faster?
That is good going 75 gas engine damn good
How does the truck feel with that kind of a lots of load, by the way how much that truck coast you just curious, I love the truck, thinking to get me one, right now I have a 2019 F-150 3,5 Eccoboost 10 speed FX4 XLT only 3843 miles in it, please let tell a little bit how do you like the truck? Thank you
TFL doesn't use cruise going UP the Ike due to wanting to get there as fast as can and think 60 is the speed IF the vehicle will do it steadily. They do use cruise going DOWN the Ike at 50 mph, and they count brake use if the speed goes about 60.
I love your truck..
I have a 2017 F-250 with the 6.7 and I average 13.86mpg (nearly double) towing a 12,000lb trailer (17.5 empty). I also have the Carli 2.5 Pintop suspension system with 37's, a brush guard/winch and headache rack. I'm not saying this to brag, but my truck is tall and at least 1,200lbs heavier before the trailer. Another benefit of the diesel is that driving on the same roads that you did, the diesel doesn't need to downshift to maintain speed up or down hill...it is like the earth is flat. It is a smack in the face realization...hard to explain to those that don't tow. I am not trying to shit talk, it is just amazing the difference between gas & diesel. My truck, I purchased it new, now has 107,000mi on it and I've literally only changed the fuel/oil filters and oil/tire rotation. It still has the factory brake pads front/rear. The Super Duty is an amazing truck!!! Thank you for making this video...long live Godzilla!!!
I've been researching this very thing for the last 2 weeks and that's by far the best fuel economy I've ever heard of. Also, thats a very exact number for an average....
@@akowned1 the reason it’s an exact number is due to my 37’s. I can no longer use the in-dash trip computer (12.6) and I have to multiply that number by 1.1, which equals 13.86. It’s the same with my speed, at 70 on the speedo I’m actually doing 77…that’s the truth. I figured this out by driving on I80 across the salt flats and paid attention the what was the last 100mi of GPS on the interstate and after 100mi (based on GPS) my odometer said I had only went 90.9mi. That gave me the “formula” to determine speed and mpg
@@akowned1 That's because it's not true. He's not getting 13.86 while towing. Pipe dream. Or maybe he lives in NE or KS where there are literally no hills. I also have a F250 with a 6.7 and pull a similar weight trailer, so I know first hand what mileage to expect.
Ya. NOBODY GETS 14 MPG WHILE TOWING ANYTHING. NOBODY
Since this seems to be controversial…I’ll add in a few other dynamics. I never tow over 70mph even if the speed is 80. I don’t accelerate like an old man, but I have NEVER “floored it” in this truck. I have since traded for the 2021 7.3 gas and I have no regrets. I transferred all mentioned equipment (carli, winch etc). I actually get better EMPTY mileage but I do suffer 1-1.5mpg loss under load. I am not exaggerating my numbers…why would I? It’s not like I made it or I am trying to sell you one. It is my experience and I am detail oriented thinker. The 6.7 made the earth seem flat (no downshifting uphill or riding the brake downhill), but the new 7.3 handles 12k load with ease. It does shift a lot more and I wonder if it is the 10 vs 6 speed or gas vs diesel. Maybe you can answer. I tell my friends…if you’re deaf you couldn’t tell the difference while towing.
To answer a few questions: I live in UT and I start my day at 5,086 feet. I usually tow within a 6 state radius and I have no idea what I would get at sea level or on level routes w/o extreme up/down hills. Try this, put your screen on instant mpg and see if you can average 15+ mpg driving. It may change your driving style, but give it a shot. Either I’m lucky 2x’s in a row or I drive different…I don’t know.
great video!
I bet it's fun taking that setup up 77
Looking at probably ordering a F-350 with the 7.3 and 4:30 gears, did you order this truck and if so how long did it take to get it and what’s the process of ordering? I’m guessing no payments until it arrives? Thanks for any info and great video of this truck
Pretty easy. Go to the ford website and build the truck the way you want it. Then print it and take it to the dealer and agree on a price. They then order it for you which can take anywhere from 6 weeks to 6 months to get to you. You don't make any payments until you accept the truck. You can also email your build to multiple dealers to price shop. I would hate to be in the market right now with the way pricing is. Good luck... seriously :)
Thanks for your video. You answered a lot of my questions. I'm trying to get a new F350 cc long bed to replace my 08 Dodge QC 4x4 long bed with a 6.7 Cummins diesel. Why? I want some of the new tech items like USB plugs, BLIS, cameras in places I can't turn my head, etc. I do want the 7.3 gas engine since it will do what I want (as you've shown) and the cost of fuel is a big difference. Although right now the cost of diesel vs. gas is only ten to 20 cents difference, at times it has been as much as a dollar a gallon different. Since I drive my truck fewer than 7,000 miles a year now, it would take a long time to break even on the cost difference. I use a slide-in truck camper (3,000#) and sometimes tow my Jeep Wrangler on a 16' utility trailer.
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This is the video I really needed to see. I’m now comfortable with retiring my old 7.3 Powerstroke, and moving into a new 7.3 with the 10 speed.
It’s the downhill part that I really needed to understand. Ironically, I pull a Ranscend rail similar to ours (27BHS), and tow through the Sierra Nevada’s, Trinity Alps, Cascades, and the Siskiyou range. I know there’s a few 8% and 9% grades in hose mountains, b based on what I see here I should be fine.
Would have liked to see what it would do with the 6.2 engine... Good stuff thanks for posting
That's interested never heard gas was offered in summer and winter blend. I know diesel is
Yeah in cold climates gasoline is switched to winter blend.
We used to goto cholo (as my Hispanic girlfriend called it) from pioria az all the time, fools holow is amazing.
Any heavy wind or sway with your 36' camper towing with your 250?
It does good with the Weight distribution hitch. There have been unexpected gusts that had me white knuckling a few times. No way around that though.
What you pulling, my 22 F350 7.3 gets 8.9 Mpg pulling 13.5K up and down mountain
Great video! I saw you had the sticker on your trailer for the Ford trailer backup assist. Do you like using that for backing up your camper? I was debating whether or not to setup ours.
Honestly, I tried it one time cause I like tech stuff, but after that I reverted back to what's between my ears. It did work though!
I love our 29TBS!!! How did you get the spare tire there with the batteries? any certain spare tire rack or holder???
I just stuck the tire in there and put a strap around it. On the back side I welded a reciever hitch to hold my bike rack. So far so good!
The transmission temperature seems high.
Great video, maybe I missed it but what is your max payload on your F250?
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I tow 20k pnd all day daily with mine
Nice video. I'm on the fence between the 3.55 gears and the 4.30's.
Then go with a 350 and get the 3.73s. Price shouldn’t be much difference if at all
With the 10 speed trans the 4.30 revs almost the same at highway speeds. Where the 4.30 and the 10 speed shine are the first 3 gears. You love it and regret it if you don't get the 4.30 gears. Are you going gas or diesel? The diesel won't matter as much because of the 1000 foot pounds of torque.
220 degrees on a flat non tow? That's crazy...once Mag HyTec or ATS puts out an oversized pan, I would definitely put on one...
It wouldn't matter cause the Trans uses a thermostat that regulates the Temps.
@@BigBoyToyzz that just seems stupid hot, but I see it's the new trend. I put a Mag Hytec and an auxiliary cooler, and a Mishimoto Trans cooler on my old 7.3L powerstroke when I had it to keep the Temps down.
Love your channel and just subscribed. I have the same but blacked out version. Did you know you can buy a kit from Ford that incorporates TPSM and a trailer camera into your dashboard display? I put one in and love it. No extra devices on my dash to monitor TPMS or the camera.
Thanks Barry! Yes I do know about the factory TPMS, but am too cheap! Ford is very proud of their stuff lol.
Okay. Tows better than my 7.3 diesel. I was trying to figure out what nearly 100 more horsepower and 50 less torque translated to when towing. Most important to me, I see you’ve got an interesting place for a spare tire on the tongue of your trailer. Was that a mod or just an efficient use of space. Gonna check out my GD tongue when I get home.
I took the spare off the rear of the trailer and welded on a bike rack. The tire just so happened to fit perfect up front.
This has 10 gears. The old power stroke has 4.... 3 when towing. That alone massively changes towing ability.
What receiver shank are you using? Just upgraded my F150 to an F250 Tremor and need to drop my WDH.
I got this from Amazon. (See below) Also don't forget to get the 2 inch to 2 1/2 inch sleeve adapter.
Equal-i-zer 90-02-4300 Specialty Drop Shank 2 Inch Square - 6 Inch drop/10 Inch Rise x 12 Inch Length (XL12)
I just bought a 2021
Does mpg get better I was towing 7k and getting 8mpg only have 800 miles on her
Not bad at 75 mph. My 2006 duramax only gets about 14 towing at 60, not really worth the 10 k more in truck cost. Must say the duramax pulls hard but will not get another diesel.
@Adventure Tacoma nice buddy let me know how you like it. Cheers 🍻
I hope you are changing oil more often than factory recommended
Why?
@@Icutmetal, because oil cannot last that long. Oil goes bad way sooner. Bad oil equals big wear on the engine.
@@repairvehicle Sure, ok 👌
I have the same truck but I can't figure out how to get the temperature above the gauges. I do show miles to empty but no coolant or transmission. Any ideas?
Google "Forscan". Its free and it will do that and a lot more. There are entire Ford forums discussing it.
I think using yours cruise control while going downhill is putting a strain on your transmission while increasing your engine rpm not sure that's a good thing .
That’s perfectly normal; how else would a vehicle control speed going down hill if it didn’t downshift??
I think that there is a little difference between the f250 and f350. The f350 has a little heavier rear end just to handle the weight a bit better but other that that, thats it.
True for normal F250 vs F350. The Tremor F250 has the F350's running gear as standard equipment. I don't know why they did it, but I like it.
Cross your chains
We’re you in Tow Haul mode? Great video.
Yes.
Nice review!! Is that a standard bed or a long bed?
Standard. The Tremor only has one bed option.
@@BigBoyToyzz Thanks! It looks long in the video for some reason.
It’s unlikely that you can haul cruise going up to the Eisenhower tunnel in Colorado. It’s about seven or 8 miles at around six or 7% grade, I’ve tried it with several different trucks and And I don’t like the constant up and down shifting on the transmission. So I just lock the overdrive off and pull up manually
I have done those with ease in AZ for even more than 8 miles and the truck will pass slower vehicles no problem and hold 70mph. Don't know what it would do at 15k to 20k. My trailer is only 8k so nothing much for the truck.
@@BigBoyToyzz It should pull it just fine in Arizona. The only difference when we pull up the Eisenhower, is that we hit about 11,200 feet, so any naturally aspirated engine is going to lose about 30% power by the time you get close to the top.
@@ernestoluzan good point. We need a turbo on the 7.3!
@@BigBoyToyzz I believe there’s a supercharger kit in the works. That will make ridiculous power lol
You are absolutely correct....cruise control does not work on those grades at that elevation. I have towed horse trailers with Ford F350 4WD SRW trucks and diesel engine under the hood up and down Eisenhower Tunnel (Ike Gauntlet), Vail Pass, Rabbit Ears Pass, Monarch Pass, Wolf Creek Pass, etc......and manually operating the accelerator is the way too go...cause cruise control makes the transmission constantly shift up and down.