Why The MDR Should STAY Banned On The Flea | ScavTalk Podcast
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
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0:00 - Tarkov News Recap
20:18 - Collect labs card event
40:11 - Arena wipe power leveling
1:23:47 - Should weapon flea bans get removed
2:12:43 - Elden Ring DLC too hard
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I feel like there are a lot of L takes, arguments to make the game "better" are all essentially remove class 6 meta, creating a class 5 meta and that can be done until we are running around with pm pistols and its seems focuse on new players and wipes,....bro when game is done there are supposed to be no wipes so remove it from your vocabulary if your trying to transform the direction of the game toward the end state and who cares about the new player. Everyone is a new player and guess what happens when the noob levels up to the good gear and the chad resets for prestige. Ievery week I don't say anything and I just listen but I feel like a lot of your ideas are not very thought out and lean too heavily toward wipes and new players neither of which matter in the grand scheme imo
welp I somehow closed my browser window accidently and I'm not ganna retype the whole thing. so here. 1st off, your factually incorrect. There will be a wipeless and a wipe(-full?) 1.0 tarkov. eft.promiseradar.com/no-more-wipes-after-release
2ndly, if what you got out of that segment was "delete class 6 armor to create a class 5 meta" then I would recommend you try listening more carefully and applying your thinking critically skills instead of solely focusing on your what your own feelings are telling you.
3rd, the game is in "beta" and is constantly change with/ and without player feedback. we are just as entitled to our opinions, feedback, and experiences as you are to your shitty ones.
lastly, yes everyone is a new player and you need players to be able to play a multiplayer game with other players. Why would you not care about new players? You yourself even admitting you and everyone where once considered new players. Did you not think its a worth while investment to improve the experience of new players so that you have other players to play against? New player guides are the heartbeat of this game, which you likely also consumed. so respectfully, take your toxic-elitist BS and F all the way off.
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@@googlyeyedsenpai5870 Your connecting dots where there is none. Did you just click on the video to read the comments section? Go and watch or re-watch the segment above and post me the timestamps where we allude to this idea that your asserting. And then, if you have the intellectual honestly to recognize that you assumed as much, then you may have the opportunity ask for an apology.
Big ol L for you buster. There were bad takes in the video but you don't seem like you watched it or maybe you just don't really know how to write down your ideas because your comment sorta rambles from one thing to the next without examples of what you mean so it comes off as nonsense @dirtywallnut9895
If you play this podcast and the Pogcast at the same time it sounds like a EFT classroom with different types of students discussing the the class 😆
I say ban all guns from the flea, and allow schematics to be learnt from gunsmith quests or others and allow us to break down guns for weapon parts and create any gun we want from a gunsmith menu for various parts. Gunsmith progression.
NikiLeaks? First time I've heard that. Good laugh.
The tank battery quest, THAT explains why Customs in PvE is nuts around New Gas. 9+ Raiders/Guards every time. I'm just a lowbie trying to tag the tanker for Pete's sake. It's driving me crazy try to get in there.
My solution would be to allow the guns themselves to be sold on the flea market, but make acquiring ammo harder - potentially even only via being found during raids rather than just paying traders.
Top-tier guns should feel special and risky to use, and raids with them should be the culmination of careful planning and collection. You should genuinely have to weigh up going into a PMC raid fully tooled up in high tier armour and carrying the best guns for the effect they have vs how hard it was to acquire them.
Give the spear civilian low pressure ammo available from the traders, but make the milspec high pressure stuff hard to get. A few mags of it should be really precious.
I don't mind 1 shotting weapons like noobtube(m32, Fn40gl and UBGL), MK18 or KS23 being banned but don't understand the mind set behind banning weapons that are slightly better than the others (mutant,mdr for example) or Just Good and Fun (PKP,PKM) being banned so nobody besides no lifers should have access to them is ever gonna solve the issue. And speaking of suprised that sig spear wasn't banned considering how only down side to that thing is the price which honestly at this point isn't a downside.
I still run a paca+boonie for my interchange raids(where I load up on gear) and laugh when someone sprays down two full mags to kill me and see it was m995 or or other super high pen expensive ammo
Hideout hand loading, incinerator shotgun rounds!
they never specifically stated where factory was they just said it was close to customs theres no reason they couldnt take that whole section and revamp the section. seeing as they players have never been able to access the building its not like it would change much. Nikita already said they are wanting to combine maps instead of open world. but he has also said open world is still planned which is insane. Im thinking they are realizing open world isnt possible but combining the maps would be more possible. Like customs + factory, reserve + lighthouse, i dont think they will combine much with woods besides maybe another expansion?, shoreline is supposed to get an expansion for that one faction, and terminal is supposed to be part of the main story i believe they said a solo que spot at one point thats a story driven area. They wont combine labs with anything besides allow you to access it through maps but this is kinda pointless if you can still just que for labs from the menu. Why risk your gear to a lab entrance when you can que from your hideout. Same with ground zero and streets, GZ is supposed to be a beginner area.
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Never going to be perfect balance.
Which side of the swing is better?
I liked realistic armor, hp/box needed work. But it looks like I am the minority.
Welcome to the Gigabeef is talking 98% of the time podcast ! just kidding :-) No, seriously...
Funny, my character (RP) doesn't like Therapist and this wipe no events or dailies/weeklies are being done for her. Kinda amusing hearing the task conclusion.
I love the idea of these 'kill the guards' jobbies because I've always struggled with the 'playable realism' of being asked to kill a boss numerous times for a quest. It might as well be a WoW quest and has no place in Tarkov (think harder, don't copy pasta more, dear devs). Killing the guards and leaving the boss at least allows for some form of plausible continuity.
Some reason I always thought Factory was the Warehouse 17 and the Pocket Watch zone - those two buildings, 1 with sniper scav on the roof and the other with all the scaffolding around one side and Warehouse 17 extract. But seeing the new 'looking out shots' it'll be interesting to see where they've planted it. The old gas gate would at least allow for separate queues as well as 'map access' through the gate and potential for creating a transitional area between maps - or do we have to wait for everyone to load Factory as well, every time we want to play Customs regardless of whether we are going to Factory, again increasing waiting times. Seems peculiar but that would be very Tarkov.
In terms of performance, I don't think it's the size of the map so much as doubling the players 'on Customs' that'd be the issue with incorporating Factory within the map - because it'd be rather foolish to remove the map from the queues - since it'd only make waiting times even longer with 1 less map to select. Feels like more players equals more stutters and problems for a map and they're far from making even their latest map efficient. Edit:: Reshala with guards, Tagilla and the Goons all together on one map, when we not long ago we could fire a few guns and lag the servers. I can go with 'believer' in the sense of thinking something is the case despite no evidence of the fact.
Having been present for the Kollontay kock-up, yeh the chain of events is what was impressive.
Man Giga you got scammed on the batts i just bought the keycards straight up cost me like 27mil xD
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I usually agree but the mdr take is just a bad one. Giga starts by arguing that the spear is good not banned and showed a few good reasons price, ammo availability and all that than for the mdr its all about progression and whether you use the 7.62 gun prior just seem seems irrelevant. If someone wants to spend however much it will cost early wipe for their mdr than they should be able to. and if its too available it is bsg job to fix not just ban entirely because they suck at economics. Like how can you not see that the spear works because they accidentally made a made a balancing change in allowing it on the flea but restricting quantity but for the mdr there is no quantity adjustments just bans. I think that you get guns banned or unbanned and anymore than that is just making it more complicated and less intuitive which is bad for all players
quantity low price high quantity high price lower so if they lower supply enough than you don't need to restrict the demand. I don't like that some things are supply focused balancing and some are demand focus. We should only have the supply restricted. spawn the mdr less or whatever that maybe but there is so much middle ground between banned and not.
And finally on m61 and vepr that has nothing to do with the mdr m61 is still banned and almost impossible to get and those days everyone wanted something done but just banning it doesn't have to be the solution. Why couldn't they reduce spawns of it down to basically what 338ap used to be and have each round a 100k like when we first got the 338. They could have priced the player base out of instead of adding a thing to there game only to just basically admit defeat and say fuck it its non existent anymore. Like they priced the t-7 out of the game so we know they can do it sometimes. they tend to use a hammer
I think that's a fair assessment/critique. BSG do have a lot of nobs and dials they can turn in terms of balancing, but rarely seem to do so. And typically, when they do, it's in the more extreme ends of the range of balance they can do. Such as the conceptual implementation of flea bans for example. I think in an ideal world, yes, flea would be unrestricted and BSG would do there absolute best to balance the economy around that principle. It's not an unreasonable ask IMO but it's just not the current or previous reality. And idk how many game economist are either in Russia or want to relocate to Russia.
I think in regards to the spear, it's a bit of an outlier as it's locked behind an extremely high level quest (lightkeeper),
- The ammo/caliber is: unique, only 2 types, banned (IRRC), and fairly low access req. (PK 3 and 4 IRRC)
- and it's arguable at the top of the S tier category in terms of weapon performance hierarchy.
Meaning since the ammo alone is not that valuable as it can go in only 1 gun. Unlike say 7.62x51, which in this case, gets devalued by all the other guns of that same caliber since having that ammo type can be placed into a variety of options unlike the spears ammo. And while the MDR is probably top in its class, there are a plethora of other options that while don't do similar things, still offer pros and cons. Such as the picking something with better recoil. or something much more cheaper like a Vepr hunter.
The point is, its not a good comparison because of how vastly different the two are. And its hard to predict how the market would react both in the short term and the long term, since there are trader prices are a factor and unlocking the MDR is somewhat objectively easier than unlocking the Spear. Where as the Spear is much more obvious that It would be as expensive and therefore "balanced" as it is given the circumstances.
@@ScavTalk Thats true I think I would just like some amount of consistency in terms of what can or can't be on the flea. It's really convoluted at the moment and I think balancing through flea bans is fine as a place holder but it's hard to know whether you can or cannot sell somethings or buy it on the flea without just doing trail and error and that feels pretty shitty. Like at this point it feels like there as many exceptions to the rules as there are things that follow them and if that is the case then the rules kinda feel arbitrary.
Based on their track record they should change as little as possible at this point because its feels pretty good and they have the tendency to just fuck things but if we can assume they are even somewhat capable than asking for a less stupid balancing system would be reasonable. But I will concede they don't really make balancing changes with any amount of logic so maybe I'm too hopeful lmao.
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@@col.lessiedancer3357 Lets hope the future holds some better changes to the econ! And a big same to you!!! Always great to hear and interact with other people!
pogcast/scavtalk crossover when?
did he just cleane his fingernails while recording? dude, cut your fingernails and take a shower
no thanks, im growing them out and I shower daily
Whoever thinks you need anything more than m855 for the m4, they're probably dogshit at the game. or just very very bad at aiming.. either that or at being patient