Rachmaninov 3rd concerto - 10 famous pianists play the ossia cadenza
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2020
- Rachmaninov wrote two different cadenza at the end of his first movement : the regular one, and another one called "ossia", longer and more difficult than the first one. Here, among about 50 versions tested, I selected 10 pianists (names below, chronological order) who play the ossia cadenza.
0:07 Van Cliburn
Moscow - 1958 - Moscow SO - Kirill Kondrashin
2:53 Cyprien Katsaris
French TV - 1980 - ? - Ohan Durian
5:36 Arcadi Volodos
Braunschweig - 1999 - Israël PO - Zubin Mehta
8:15 Olga Kern
Fort Worth, US - 2001 - Fort Worth SO - James Conlon
11:09 Yefim Bronfman
Tokyo - 2004 - Wiener PO - Valery Gergiev
13:48 Lang Lang
? - 2005 - ? - Charles Dutoit
16:42 HJ Lim
Barcelona - 2014 - Barcelona SO - Pablo Gonzales
19:17 Natasha Paremski
Bergen - 2015 - Bergen SO - Andrew Litton
22:14 Alexander Gavrylyuk
London - 2017 - BBC Scottish SO - Thomas Dausgaard
25:16 Seongjin Cho
Moscow - 2011 - ? - Alexander Dmitriev
Details (timestamps, year, conductor, Orchestra,...) in the description of video.
Similar video with the regular cadenza : czcams.com/video/2f0VXVH_hnk/video.html
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One of the most cataclysmic, terrifying passages in the entire piano literature. I love it! Who cares if it's "too much" for the movement! I'm always let down when performers opt for the standard cadenza. A little excess once in a while ain't a bad thing.
I totally agree. One must grow fangs when approaching this cadenza.
Ossia Cadenza is the point of the 1st movement. It's the contrast to that absolutely beautiful part that follows.
It's Rachmaninoff! The perfect chance to be extra
The cadenza of the Prokofiev 2nd is both more challenging and terrifying. A section of pure vehemence.
If you play the standard cadenza like Argerich it is by no means easier nor boring. The build up to the D major chords becomes much more logical. but i also like big fat chords... conflict!
source: i've played both
0:07 Van Cliburn
2:53 Cyprien Katsaris
5:36 Arcadi Volodos
8:14 Olga Kern
11:08 Yefim Bronfman
13:46 Lang Lang
16:41 HJ Lim
19:17 Natasha Paremski
22:14 Alexandre Gavrylyuk
25:15 Seongjin Cho
Lang Lang nailed it. Cliburn was off.
Not to open a debate about definitions or semantics, but I thought the title was "famous pianists"? Not sure half of this list are famous. Anyway, great complication. Thanks for putting it together!
@@mr2loser If you only go by fame in art, you're in trouble.
@@birgirkarl Check the title of the video. I'm merely commenting on that. Not artistry. Cheers!
mr2loser I haven't heard of Lim or Paremski before, but the others certainly are or were all famous pianists
For all who may not know:
Rachmaninov composed the ossia cadenza first, but later wrote the standard cadenza as he felt that what became the ossia cadenza created too much of a climax that he thought architecturally less desirable in the first movement. Nonetheless, he must not have minded too much as he did leave it as an ossia.
Hmm, interesting! This ossia cadenza shows what Rachmaninoff is best at: climaxing.
I’ve also heard he felt it may have been to difficult to play on a regular basis and created the standard cadenza to play when he had off nights during touring?
@@99wntr I guess that's a benefit of being your own composer. If you don't feel like it, you could just change the piece, and no one can really say anything about it.
@@99wntr Well maybe, it is also known that he made several cuts that performers can take to their discretion. I believe it was to make it easier to play as well
Do all of them play slightly different versions?
14:36. "Oh crap I just broke the fourth wall!"
Its a bit unsettling. Here I am in my underwear listening to CZcams when Lang Lang slowly turns and looks right at me.....
@@EASYTIGER10 Perfect!
What an absolute clown.
I have listen to many renditions of this famous Ossia, but was stunned by Cyprien Katsaris. Actually, never heard of him… Bravo!!!!
never heard of katsaris after listening to a bunch of classical? what has youtube done to you
Bronfman. Simply awesome
I agree... Bronfman has something very special...
Yes, his whole performance... He played this a lot of times and probably has consistently the best Rach 3 in the game.
Bronfman is possibly the greatest living pianist. While he gets recognition, it's not as much as he deserves
Hands down, Bronfman. Had the great fortune of attending 3 of his concerts. Twice for the Rach 3 and once for the Rach 2.
I saw Bronfman play this with the Vancouver Symphony in the early 90's. A big bear of a pianist who plays with crushing power.
Time to add Yunchan Lim to this compilation
Yunchan Lim colorless cold piano sound! This student Yunchan Lim should study next 6 years with a goog teacher! The best Rach no 3 really Horowitz in 1930! Evgeny Mogilevsky in 1965! Vladimir Ashkenazy! Marta Argerich Andrei Gavrilov in 1978! Natalia Trull in 1989! Yunchan Lim will be next Zimerman or Kissin boring with cold colorless sound! And crazy people will claiming Zimerman Kissin Yunchan Lim the Greatest!
@@RaineriHakkarainen From the newer performances, you kinda left out Arcadi Volodos, he's actually in the video.
Anyway, yeah. It's quite a difference if you put any passion it it. I could hear it from Olga Kern, Alexander Gavrylyuk, Sengjin Cho or Van Cliburn, but not as much from the others in this video. A largely Slavic lineup, but for instance, Natasha Paremski didn't make it to my list.
@@RaineriHakkarainen what kind of mental illness do you have to call kissin cold? Just because he isn't using annoyingly excessive rubato, he is cold?
True! He plays the regular cadenza though
I agree completely with Raineri...
I don't know how many times I have watched Olga Kern play the whole piece. Truly brilliant.
That pause at the end of the Ossia sealed the deal! Heartbreakingly beautiful! Oh Maestro Van Cliburn it’s you!!
Totally agree. The only one of them that gave deep expression to the closing of the phrase preceding the pause, and consequently to the pause too. Won by a narrow margin to Volodos
Cliburn is out of the world, the coda of rach3 by him is also by far the best, feels like falling down a large bell tower's staircase
Volodos hands down! Though Bronfman and Lang Lang are also top notch.
I think Bronfman wasn't gentle enough in the passages where he should be. Lang Lang did quite well from this point of view, but I still appreciated the Eastern-Slavic pianists: Olga Kern and Alexander Gavrylyuk. The feeling was there, perhaps it resonates with a Slavic soul a bit more.
Is nobody going to mention Kissin? His version is sensational and underrated!
Exactly what I was thinking; although I wouldn't say he's underrated. I think people are fully aware of who he is. His cadenza with Ozawa is perhaps the most dynamic, nuanced and certainly flawless. He recorded it at age 21, I believe.
YES!!!
Florian Eichenerger, I ask the same question. Kissin’s version is superb!
yes,yes,yes!!!
Agreed even other brilliant interpretations were left out like Trifonov and Ashkenazy!
Everybody is really good at palying the cadenza but Bronfman each every note is so clear and neat you can hear them all
The only truth I have read in these comments !
Not everybody. HJ Lim absolutely butchers it. She misses more notes than she hits... I don't know how that performance is even in this video. It's unlistenable.
Ciburn and Volodos is my fav , every notes shine with life forces.
Yeah, Cliburn succeeds in lyricism and savagery in equal measure. Why he doesn't play the repeats at the climax is baffling
Volodos is just something out of this world.
Volodos is just wild. There is nobody that posseses the power he has. It's crushing.
And Bronfman. He still pours it out, but he maintains the rhythmic integrity like nobody else.
I saw Tzimon Barto play this live. I swear the piano moved a bit under the weight of his playing. His chords in the ossia were like cast bronze. Big fellow with huge hands. I also saw Volodos play this in concert, and both his power and virtuosity were not on the scale of Tzimon Barto.
Volodos Is a giant but 1 only SCHUBERT Impromptus Is more than all the works of Rachmaninov
Van Cliburn is all I will ever need. My heart still holds this beautiful Texan, so close! 🥰
Van Cliburn is the best out of all these … in my opinion.
Absolutely fascinating comparison. For me, this cadenza needs both dynamic and rhythmic variety, but also a sense of struggle when the main theme returns and in the final climax - not the pianist struggling to play it, but the music struggling to fight its way through. Some come closer to "my ideal" than others, perhaps Cho most of all marginally, but all of them brought something different and individual. In particular, despite sonic limitations, a great reminder of how fine Van Cliburn was before he gave up regular playing too early.
I have to agree with you about Cho. He has a controlled mastery, he sounds less like all the devils in Hades are after him and more like he's totally in control. There are recording problems with Cliburn and some of the others that makes them sound a bit blurred together. And I think Cho's piano was tuned a bit brighter. I like Evgeny Kissin better than any of these - playing the ossia does not seem to be a stretch for him. His piano is also brighter. On the other hand, if you're into Ponderous and Scary, as I am sometimes, go with Cliburn.
Volodos and Cliburn. Bronfman is also magnificent. Gavrilov's first recording with Fedoseyev had the most stupendous ossia cadenza I have ever heard.
Thanks for this nice video!
I prefer Bronfman and Lang Lang.
Do you know the version played by Trifonov? For me the best ever.
Version by Trifonov...to many wrong notes.....
too
Nice work! I collect Rakh 3 recordings and half of these I've never heard of. My all-time favorite is Dimtris Sgouros' age 14 recording (which also took the ossia cadenza, and ossia everything). But Olga Kern's cadenza strikes me as even more musical than Sgouros'. She brought out things I've never noticed. I'll be checking out her whole recording. Thanks!!
Have you a link to this recording?
@@edwinwelch1393 Just type in Olga Kern Rach 3 into the search bar.
How long have I been looking for a video of that kind xD
Thank you very much
Bronfman immediate goosebumps, sublime
Olga Kern and Arcadi Volodos hold nothing back and I love that. This passage requires passion, a willingness to absolutely crush the piano and yet have these beautiful and soaring melody lines, and have huge dynamic range. Rachmaninoff also demands for sweeping rubato, which was all over his playing and interpretations as well, so you can't simply blow through this.
Of these selections, I agree with the crowd on this one: Yefim Bronfman absolutely crushed it. Wondeful sense of style, great phrasing, good dynamic range and control, excellent clarify for such a rich and chordal section, and wonderful passion, not some cartoonish animation like the person that followed. 💯😂❤
Seongjin Cho deserves very high praise as well, especially under the gaze of Tchaikovsky. 😂 He played very well in all aspects of the piece. I hope he won that Tchaikovsky comp. Oh...3rd prize? Well, a performance like that is well deserving of a high place!
I’m not going to pretend I know who is best. But Volodos is a beast! I was quite amazed. Bronfman was very good, smooth and balanced. I liked Cho too although I cannot pinpoint why. I like Lang Lang generally and I don’t go along with the haters at all but...I sure am glad he’s not doing the Bugs Bunny at the piano routine anymore. Maturity has its benefits.
Katsaris's playing is breathtaking. Beautifully played.
I quite liked the clarity of Seongjin Cho
And he was only 17 (2011 in the video) at the time, I think he got better. Check out his 2018 recording of Rach 3.
He resolves very well to the theme.
I thought his bass line was not clear at all
@@yimeizi2648 no you didnt
my parents and I watched (and pretty much drooled) in the mid-seventies near Butler in Indianapolis Concert with Cliburn; my dad shared how his mother attended all his concerts, and my mom shared her disappointment in my not being professional.
For me definitely Brontman. lovely clean playing and he sustains the sense of line and good tone throughout. Olga Kern is good too. There is a strange edition alteration in the version played by Cliburn and Katsaris: the thrice repeated phrase near the end of the climax is cut down to just one and it really doesnt work this way. Also to make the dominant A bass note before the d minor fortissimo theme staccato sounds really odd.
CHO WAS AWESOME!!!
it's hard not to let the piano "win" -with most of these artists..still listnening.
They're all good in their own way. Personally, I prefer to not have any part of the cadenza inaudible or sped though just for showmanship. An example of my 'choice' recording would be Jean Yves Thibaudet w/ Ashkenazy conducting.
Nice collection! Thanks for sharing
killin" it (the composer of every mensch) apologetically, thank you Alexander Gavrylyuk? I love you and your parents for giving you Leben; and Seongjin Cho, the composer (picture to your left) smiled on your effort!
Greatest augmentation in musical history
Cyprien Katsarisis and Arcadi Volodos are (for me) the clearcut winners here. This is magisterial playing.
The thumbnail with Lang Lang made my day lol
He's a circus act.
@@fareshajjar1208 I'm really confused about why people hate Lang Lang, he's a really good pianist
@@rainchen7846 He plays notes and makes faces. He does not make music.
@@fareshajjar1208 at the end of the day everyone has different definition of what is "musical", it's just his way of expressing music
@@rainchen7846 cLang cLang ignores the intentions of the composer in many instances and changes notations in the score to suit his "interpretation." He seems to have little respect for the pieces as composed. Nuanced voicing is often replaced by percussive antics. Why do great pianists like Horowitz and Rubinstein seem so stiff and upright? It's because excessive movement like the childish flailing arms and legs of cLang cLang inevitably transmits to the fingers. There is no control in the jumping clown. He should wear a gold cape and play in Las Vegas with dancing girls. He is not a serious classical artist. He is a novelty act.
My favorite interpretation of this sacred monster ofthe piano litterature is by Leif Ove Andsnes. Especially because he doesn't repeat the 66th measure (he knows how to play this fabulous cadenza without it being too much).
Incredible playing by the way.
Thank you.
Amazing video, thank you for making this.
You're welcome
In this list, Volodos and Bronfman share the #1 for me, Van Cliburn #3, Cho #4.
Agreed, in the same order you mention!
you have to try Lazer Berman
I clicked for the thumbnail, stayed for the music
Excellent video! For me, HJ Lim was the best!
Volodos causes me to water up. His emotions are so transparent...
And none of you commented on Alexander Gavrylyuk? I thought it was astonishing!
The best. For me.
Me too. Flesh, blood, and this third ingredient - spirit. Hope for mankind ❤️
It was amazing, although watching him I was just waiting for a stroke. He looked strained, although the music was astonishing.
His version is on repeat all day long. He handles the tension the best. I can't listen to the others after hearing him. The others rush through the pieces without tension.
Van cliburn doesn’t rush too much but I love gavryluk’s interpretation. Perfect balance of power, sensitivity and detail where required
Did you put Lang Lang? Strange. Why didn’t you put Sokolov, Malofeev, Lugansky, Argerich, Yuja Wang, Trifonov, Buniatishvili, Shishkin????
katsaris's voicing in 4:40 absolutely beautiful
Rachmaninoff has so many inner voices for a gifted interpreter to bring out.
Yes!!
Glad someone else noticed - best of the bunch for me.
He brought out the red on the edges of the video
I've been hooked on this cadenza ever since I first listened to Vladimir Ashkenazy's Decca recordings as a teenager.
...same here but with Lazar Berman-Claudio Abbado recording czcams.com/video/jgjsBAmedw8/video.html
Very interesting work! congratulations!, I will include RAFAEL OROZCO, from my point of view the clearest and at the same time virtuosity Rachmaninoff Third. Enjoy it.
Isso é bem interessante para a escuta comparativa.
Cliburn for me, they best!
Beautiful video, it would have been a plus to know the performance dates and where these were performed. Just saying.
Information is listed in the description notes.
Van Cliburn aos 23 anos, um fenômeno de talento.
First, thanks for putting this together! Great comparison. However, my favourite is not included. Daniil Trifonov with Sir Simon Rattle, New Year's Eve 2016 Concert of Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra. And all of Trifonovs energy goes into the music. Not like Lang Lang here, who spends a lot for showmanship and effect (although I think he is a very good player despite this, but best to listen to him without a picture).
I just looked this up as I really like Trifonov ... the cadenza is a bit too careful, but the flute / oboe / horn soli afterwards (Pahud, etc) are exquisite.
I love Van's huge hands
Van Cliburn does astonishingly well!
HJ Lim's playing of this cadenza is unworldly. Pure bold virtuosity.
sloppy more like it. roast beef sloppy
No it’s probably the worst of this bunch
Rafael Orozco has the most dramatic inspirational version of the ossia cadenza in less than 2 minutes of unrestrained fury, a controlled madness, and a sense of inner rage.
each one of them are amazing, but olga's cadenza just stroke me like a lighting bolt
I highly recommend watching her entire concerto.
Her interputtaion is what made me fall in love with Rach 3, and become my favorite piece of music of all times.
here is a link to her full performence:czcams.com/video/9AmxZnlRa6Q/video.html
Her cadenza is demonic, as if she was possessed by the spirit of the music itself. I wish there was a proper recording of this performance on a CD, it deserves it.
weissenberg is my most favorite.
Great video! If you want to do a round two of the ossia cadenza i suggest Artur Pizarro (Leeds Competition winning performance), Grygory Sokolov, Rafael Orozco, Denis Matsuev and Yeol Eum Son. Loved the version of Yefim Bronfman (best for me), Cliburn, Volodos, Gavrylyuk, Katsaris, Olga Kern and Seongjin Cho.
Thanks, very good propositions, usually I don't like Matsuev
@@zestofpiano3509 Me neither... But the Rach 3 cadenza is very good!! Orozco video recording is miles away from the studio recording but he still nails the cadenza!! Fedorova, Trifonov and Buniatishvli recent live performances are also very good.
Sokolov's Rach 3 is one of my favorites along with Horowitz's, they are so powerful making the lowest and darkest notes of the piano shine
Also consider Eliso Virsaladze in 1989 live concert. It's on youtube too.
Lol, all those people complaining about Lang Lang's exaggerated movements, hopefully you never get to see a jazz pianist play, a genre which Rachmaninoff greatly appreciated.
Van Cliburn's performance is my favourite.
Valentina also played it very nice......
Lang Lang gave me chills.
He definitely needs to be given a musical treatment
He's a cruise ship pianist. The Liberace of the classical world. The most overrated pianist in history.
Fares Hajjar Thank you! Almost buffoonish.
@@fareshajjar1208 A cruise ship pianist for the Yellow Sea...
In my humble opinion Lang is overdoing it...
Bronfman! Wow! Grandioso.
カチャリスの演奏が圧倒的にすごい！まさにマジック！手の形がいいし、力を入れていないようでもfffがすごい。
Rafael Orozco needed to be included in this list. This was a great lineup and a cool video nonetheless. But I think Orozco did this ossia cadenza so well. Not sure if there's video footage of his recording with the Rotterdam orchestra, but I think he made a stupendous recording of this with them (I know he did Rach 2 with that orchestra, but someone can correct me if he didn't record Rach 3 with them).
Yeah, his Rach 3 is my favorite one.
Favorites in this video: Van Cliburn, Volodos, Bronfman, Paremski, Seonglin Cho!
Bronfman will always be my favorite
Cliburn absolutely! Such power and passion. Brilliant!!
My favorite was Natasha Paremski
didn't horowitz play the ossia in his last recording (the live one with ormandy)? If i recall correctly it wasn't that awesome...
No, it wasn’t awesome at all. Sure his virtuosity showed through in some passages but he probably misplayed close to ten notes including gigantic important bass notes toward the end. His ossia cadenza is worse than some 15 year olds I watch on CZcams nowadays.
감사합니다♡
Katsaris points out so much left hand detail. They are all just so wonderful.
Love Volodos and Cliburn....but which one did Mogilevsky play?
I'm not a Lang Lang fanboy, but his was the only one I wanted to go back and hear again.
I like his pacing from the slow quiet start but then the climax didn't seem right. Too soon, too fast somehow... the story disappeared.
If I'm not wrong recently also Yeol Eum Son and Yuja Wang play the ossia cadenza, Yeol Eum Son in the final round of the Tchaykoski competition and Yuja Wang I dont remember when;
Rafael Orozco is the best at this in my opinion. He should definitely have been on this list.
De acuerdo contigo
Completely agreed. Nobody hits all parts as solidly as he does. At least the version I’ve heard.
Actually him and Bronfman. Top two faves forever.
Nobody handles the tension as well as Alexandre Gavrylyuk!
Say what you want about Lang but DAMN that was good
So many dropped notes. No clarity. Shortcuts everywhere. The worst of the lot...
Any pianist with those absurd facial expressions loses me....it detracts from the music....
@@fareshajjar1208 I have extreme perfect pitch and I couldn't hear all pitches written on the complicated score. You must be a genius to catch the missing notes!
@@adrianchewygum Perfect pitch would add no special ability to hear dropped notes (neither would "extreme perfect pitch"...whatever that is.) I am referencing many years of listening to cLang cLang perform, both love and recorded. My views are shared by thousands. His shortcomings have been widely discussed by critics. It is nothing new.
@@fareshajjar1208 so you're saying "last time"... but based on this performance, you should not be biased...
Great thanks You for sowing greatest masters of piano, but we've got - Peter Donohoe, Alfred Cortot, Walter Gieseking; please, listen his Cadenza ossia!!! Yours sincerely, Alexander Shamonin)))
They are all wonderful in their own ways but for unmatched hugeness of sound go to Lazar Berman with Abbado ( audio only ): its quite overwhelming.
You forgot the very best - Ashkenazy.
RIP every piano ever
Volodos and Cliburn are the best, but Lang Lang is also incredible
It is sad you have not putted the Matsuev interpretation. It was magnificent !
omg, I love Natasha Paremski's interpretation! I love how she hits the low and high notes hard at the extreme ends of the range.
To me Bronfman is the king of Rachmaninov 3. No Yuja Wang here, but to be fair I've not seen a recording of her playing Ossia which is surprising given her technique
Can some one explain me if this parts of the concerto are optional?
No Orozco? That’s like a must have in these compilations!
They’re missing Argerich 😱
@@OhioTropics She plays the original cadenza not this ossia one.
Самая лучшая каденция у Александра Малофеева. Юный восхитительный пианист! Как могли про него забыть?
Irina , Look up on YuTube the channel of " Richard" . He posted Rach. 3 by Alexander Malofeev in the USA. He is indeed the best. BRAVO. (Netherlands)
kudos to the piano makers all over
If only there was a video of Lazar Berman 😥 the Rach 3 GOAT
14:55 This is terrifying!!
For me the keyword of this cadenza is grandeur. No flashy technical displays with unsteady tempos but a constant majestic flow with a mastered virtuosity which leads to a grand and powerful climax.
In this respect I find Van Cliburn and Bronfman the best and HJ LIm the least convincing.
I would add that if this ossia cadenza taken alone is extremly impressive, I think that the regular cadenza suits far better the spirit of the concerto.
Andre Watts did a hybrid cadenza...starts out with the regular one, then switches to the Ossia before the huge chords come in
I have to disagree. I believe HJ Lim's performance was very controlled and perfectly captured the boldness of this concerto. Its exhilarating, fiery, and courageous - as the cadenza should be. I don't believe Rach's 3rd concerto is one to be played lightly. Perhaps you are not used to seeing female pianist display such assertiveness.
@@swanee9599 Martha Argerich has displayed plenty of assertiveness for much longer than HJ Lim.
This why Sergei put this one in the "ossia" and not viceversa :)
Van Cliburn, Volodos, and Bronfman.
I like #LangLang, in the studio, but when I listen to him play the rest of this live I'm fairly sure he makes up half the notes as he goes along.
listening to how pianists play the ossia cadenza is one of the best ways to get a feeling for their character when interpreting
Все пианисты пытаются что-то выразить, в основном собственные эмоции и только Lang Lang рассказал в каденции историю автора. За эти 2 с небольшим минуты у меня перед глазами промелькнула вся история Рахманинова, как началась в России революция, как он уезжал в Америку и как он всю оставшуюся жизнь тосковал по родине. Lang Lang эту тоску прекрасно выразил в колокольном звоне, чего не сделал ни один другой исполнитель. Собственно, эта каденция в исполнении Lang Lang открыла мне "глаза" и на музыку Прокофьева, который мне стал понятен и близок после этого концерта Рахманинова. Lang Lang один из очень немногих исполнителей, которые представляют нам автора в каждом исполняемом им произведении, его интерпретации всегда указывают на какие-то вехи жизни автора, это слышится в его музыке. В каждом произведении у него есть особая точка зрения на произведение, он видит в нем то, чего другие не замечают. Возможно, кто-то начнет критиковать гримасы Lang Lang, его экспрессивность за роялем, для меня же это все неважно. Он ни на кого не похож и его легко узнать среди сотен других исполнителей, что и составляет его соврешенство, показывает его интеллект и глубокую эрудицию.
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@@alexguzz1405 в твоем зеркале или на семейном портрете?
My favorites are Cliburn #1 and Bronfman #2. The others are odd.
I'm confused. This is the Cadenza you hear 90% of the time. And to me it sounds much more difficult and is much to be preferred and far superior to the other Cadenza I thought this was the regular Cadenza and the Ossia Cadenza was the other one, a simplification. In fact a score that I looked at show this Cadenza as the main Cadenza and the other one in small print above it.
I do not understand why a top pianist woul play the other Cadenza. Can someone straighten this out for me?
At any rate when I listen to an unfamiliar recording of this incredible concerto the first thing I do is check the Cadenza. If it is not this one, whatever you call it, I don't listen to the rest.
This was the original cadenza played by Rachmaninoff at the premiere. The lighter one is a revision. Why this one is referred to as the ossia is a mystery to me as well. My best guess is that since Rachmaninoff revised it, the scores marked the original as ossia. Rachmaninoff also made no recordings of him playing the original.
Either way, the argument I've read for the revision is it works better structurally .. e.g. "too big of a climax in the first movement." Personally, I have no idea what those people are talking about: this cadenza isn't an early climax, it's the "Oh shit!" moment the audience needs exactly at that moment in the first movement. Rachmaninoff had it right the first time IMHO.
@@nicklewisatx "too big of a climax"? In Rachmaninoff? That's about the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time, but then know it all critics have been saying stupid things about Rachmaninoff ever since he was alive, refusing to believe that music with such wide appeal could also be extremely sophisticated, which it is. That is Rachmaninoff's unique gift.
Rachmaninoff was known for his self doubt, but he should have told his critics to Drop Dead.
For me the simpler Cadenza absolutely destroys the first movement, completely dissipating its energy at the very moment you're expecting it to explode on passion, and thus leaving for an unsatisfactory conclusion. The original Cadenza is difficult - just like the rest of the piece. There is no reason whatsoever to use the simplified Cadenza.
Anyway thanks for your comments and clarification!
@@bilahn1198 Everyone can have a preference. I do know from interviews that Horowitz didn't perform the big version version of the cadenza because he thought it musically inferior to the lighter version and it did not fit with the flow of the first movement. Argerich didn't play it either. I think both could have handled the octaves if they wanted to play it.
@@brentstahl204 Well I find it astonishing that two artists of the caliber of Horowitz and Argerich would have that opinion. Fortunately the majority of pianists play the original version.
Valentina Lisitsa, Rachmaninoff Concerto No 3 (solo)
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