Romans vs Barbarians
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- čas přidán 11. 08. 2015
- Multiplayer scenario I made. It's up on the Steam workshop - just search "Romans vs barbarians". I'll explain how I made it, and tips for how to play it!
There's an updated version of the map here: steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
Single player version: steamcommunity.com/sharedfile...
New Video explaining the changes: • "Romans vs Barbarians"...
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Game: Age of Empires 2 HD - Hry
If you want a hard time creating a map, try Rise of Nations. The game's land generation tool deletes portions of your carefully-crafted terrain to make the shores less jagged. And it keeps doing this every time you go in to the tool to edit the terrain. I started off with Europe and ended up with three potatoes surrounded by water.
+unifieddynasty rise of nations was amazing. Does it still have a community?
Russell Morgan I wouldn't know. Haven't played in several years as well lol.
+unifieddynasty RoN is great but that map maker is abysmal. It could've been a great scenario editor but they like barely put _any_ effort into it. The maps feel super small, too, even big huge (when trying to make a map)
unifieddynasty interested in playing a RON game? I made a scenario that I invested about 50 hours in making. It a ww2 map of Europe with 8 major nations (axis and allies) -and when you defeat Germany the allies transitions to against the soviets and you fight over conquered Berlin and then slowly into Russia battle by battle
Three potatoes surrounded by water. Yeah, Europe in a nutshell.
Bob Ross - The Joy of Map Creating
Happy little trees
Happy little goths
Happy little deaths
this arbalest is lonely, so we're gonna make another one so he can have a friend
Maybe there is a town center here
Looks awesome but I feel Romans need A LOT more population wtf..And very unfair in water too, but I LOVE IT
ortegaajesus1998 yeah, 320 vs 1200 is just to hard :/
ortegaajesus1998 the population change was one of several I had to do to rebalance the game after trying it with other people online. It was a series of testing, and then adding buffs to barbarians and nerfs to Romans to finally get to the more balanced point it is now.
Don't you think it adds to the historical aspect if the Romans are completely outnumbered by hordes of cavalry archers and huskarls, trying to hold on as they slowly lose ground? I'm sure the Romans thought things seemed pretty unfair at the time, too!
***** there are several strategies I've found work as Romans, but I'm sure there are others, too. Building docks to physically block the water access points is very effective, and almost unbreakable if there's castles beside it as well. Walls and castles are also much stronger than in regular games because imperial age can't be researched. Romans should also build walls (which they didn't do in either of the games I showed) and can afford much more expensive units than the barbarians - staying near max population limit with cataphracts in the later game. They should probably prioritize cataphracts and mangonels over cheaper units.
Building 3 layers of walls at the Pyranees mountains and having 10 or so mangonels behind them, I was able to hold the entrance to Spain for around 15 minutes against waves of huskarls and cav archers, just to give one of example. The Eastern Empire should also focus more on building defences in red's territory than his own, and I have yet to see an Eastern player really go all-in trying to defend red.
That's just a few things I've noticed in playing it. It's really not as unbalanced as it might seem at first glance - there's lots of things that Romans can do to help themselves survive :)
Yeah, and the Romans were outnumbered by the total of the factions, and not one single faction outnumbering the Roman (Seriously how could be so many of them if they weren't even able to build cities).
Also, in many battle were the Romans fought against the Huns the Romans outnumbered the Huns 4 to 1 and still lost. (due to Hun cavalry and raid tactic which the Romans weren't prepared, also the Romans liked to tell in these battles that they were outnumbered so that it would not hurt their roman pride)
The downfall of the empire was actually caused due the lack of resource as it led to Romans not being able to pay its own Army in the end which was then used by the Goths to march through Rom.
So you could balance the game if you either made the resource on the Roman side more scarce or (my favorite option) if you added an upkeep cost for the roman side (like every minute they lose 1 food, 1 wood and 1 gold for every population they have. If you did that I think would be ok to incread the pop lim for the Romans.
But that are just my thoughts.
Relux the Relux Rome did have a lot of plagues in the period, and the Roman Empire actually declined in population between 150 and 400 ad. I've heard even the city of Rome, at one point having 1.5 million people in the early empire, had less than 100k people when the western empire dissolved.
The upkeep cost idea is intriguing, though. I like it!
There's an updated version of the map here: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=611392075
Single player version: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=611403348
Video explaining the changes: czcams.com/video/o35ceXEvV5Q/video.html
No constantinople??? :O constantinople was 2nd important and largest city of the empire how could u forget that?
+Spirit Of The Law I don't really think I could manage editing one of these, but I could consider it. In case I don't...you can use the same map (or close to it) for the Islamic conquest of the Iberian Peninsula and their push into what is now France from the West and western Turkey from the East. It would play out similarly - a few empires on one side, and this works great with the expansions now (Persians, Saracens, Turks, Berbers for example) attacking from North Africa into the Iberian Peninsula and Turkey into the heartland of Europe (place civs with historical accuracy), and a few European civs on the defensive - Spain, France, and Byzantines, for example. The map may need to be shifted North some (probably no easy way to do that), or place on a larger template to give some more room to North Africa. Anyway, I think it would be an interesting mod to a similar cool custom scenario that is already in place. Hopefully people won't get too political and all with the idea.
+kaplinbaa he did it... well the european half, look at 7:51 you can see the wonder (Hagia Sophia)
+Chris C Ummm, do you work at valve? :D
heh, that would be pretty cool, but i do not. sorry!
Historically Huns were killing both roman and barbarian alike, you might want to work that angle into your map to make it a tad more interesting; the goal of the roman team is to survive, the goal of the barbarian team is to survive the hun onslaught and destroy rome, and the goal of the huns is to wreck absolutely everything. You could give huns an early advantage in terms of starting resources and harvestable food sources, but restrict their farming so that the huns would need to constantly conquer new areas to stay in the game.
Just a thought.
that is a very good idea man!
The idea with no farms for the Hun player is very accurate
Barbarians and romans were fighting them too... But it is gamey
im very late but that is up to the player
Seems a little unfair that all the cities are so close to the water that you can just bombard them with ships.
That's one way to look at it. The other way I think is to view it as barbarians having several options, which gives more opportunity to think outside the box and less repetition in gameplay
Spirit Of The Law I think it's amazing that you're replying to comments on a video that's over a year old. Good on you mate
I think so too, it just seems a bit too easy that half the settlements are so close to the waterfront. I mean what would be the point of investing in a standing army when you can just build a navy and take out 2-3 of the key building sites, while your allies make their way to the other landlocked places. Maybe allow the Romans to have a significant naval presence to at least help deter or at least make the navy focused players work for it?
Just take out the bombardment ships from the barbarians
Also a bit unfair the Romans have less population. 320 will always loose to 1200.
That first game was crazy. Maybe put a nerf on coastal attacks? IIRC at the Rock of Gibraltar the Romans put up guards and such, maybe you could put watchtowers and a couple galleys? just my 2 cents. Great vid as always!
Cole Carter yeah, the water is pretty important, but the romans could build docks to physically block ships at constantinople, the English channel, and at Gibraltar with a castle or two at each, and eliminte the water threat. There's definitely little strategies like that which people would start using if they played it 2 or 3 times haha
Spirit Of The Law Ooooh I didn't think about that! Jutting docks out into the channel to block flow! I'm sure the Japanese could use a general of your quality to command their troops in real time haha
For a real historic accuracy, the Huns should be another team, with the mission of destroying one of the nomadic civilizations. because the huns was what pushed in the nomads.. I now many years too late
Wow, 3 years later and after recently picking up AOE 2 HD, I have been playing on your Europe map and customizing it for myself! Thanks! :)
Going with Militia against Cataphracts? The absolute madman.
The Roman players should have 500 population caps because Roman always have far more people than the barbarians, the Roman lost on management which is what 500 pop cap would do to bad players.
allows for too much of a boom and snowball.. also lag on the map
Lag on map? With today's computers? I'm sorry, there is no longer any reason to have a pop cap in any RTS game. Age of Mythology and beyond were made in days pop caps were no longer needed.
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@@StoffiePrductions How do you uninstall internet?
@@paaperman Did a no fog map with 8 Ai highest diff FFA with 500 caps it was one giant cluster fuck, with thousands upon thousands of moving units. But no lags what so ever and my pc isn't even that great.
So lags is utter BS
You should create a crusades scenario
Law just an idea but maybe you can restrict the type of units each barbarian can make? maybe huns not allowed to build barracks? only horse archers and light cavalry? and goths only infantry.... no horses, vikings too, etc?
Good idea
ever think that if they can't build a barracks they can't build a stable
The DarkestLight this.
@@thedarkestlight4563 there's a way around: barracks are craftable, but infantry units are disabled (the barrack doesn't spawn any unit).
Would be a cool if there was a trigger to give the other roman player the full 320 population if the other one disconnects
H4Z4RD5 Spirit Of The Law That's what i thought. Trigger it (if possible).
Good job!
That would be nice - prevent the one from getting screwed over when they take over both side's units. Also applicable to Barbarians?
That's me. I was the green guy in the video. Pretty bad score.
thought the whole time "lol they got a afk" :D
Really
This truly is a piece of art. It's brilliant, graceful and simplistic yet complicated. I salute you!
Very nice man, I don't play this game but I am always proud to see people making a game community come alive again. Thanks for showing what you did here.
maybe think about putting western Romans as the Italian civ, another guy made a similar Roman map and he had the Italians with a legionaire unit
i would actually like to see more scenario vids from you!
Spirit of the Law AKA, the Bob Ross of the AOE community
dude you did a really good job on the map. I don't even play this game, I just watched this to see the map.
I really really love this map. Keep up the good work !!
Great detail on the map, well done! Would be interested to see a video of you playing as a roman though, seems hard for them to win based on what I've seen in this video
dang, you sir are an artist. hats off to you for making the map!
Amazing, i used to do the same as you did with the minimap, make a fairly similar recreation of what i wanted to create!!! hope you continue with the great job editing your own scenarios!!!!
Nice of you to share the map for others to use!
Great work, man, can't wait to play it!
respect for all of the hard work! love to start playing age of empires II again, I'm waiting for a new computer but it won't be long before I can start playing again!
I really missed this game, and I'm happy to see that there is still love for this game although its an old game. I say it's old but gold, definitely going to check the updates and maps on steam!
Dude I have to say, this is an awesome map, very detailed, well done. The only thing I would sugest is that you let them Byzantines reach the Imperial age, as it would make sense to let them have superior armor and weaponry, as well as economy upgrades. Also, you should allow them to research Chemistry, for some cool fire arrows and proyectiles (greek fire maybe..?), but lock the gunpowder tecs, for obvious reasons.
congratulations for all the work you spent on this
Great video, as always!
I think babrbarians must be at war between each other.
yep, that would be more accurate
No way! An american that knows his geography!
+TheMV1992 lol I'm Canadian. But the US can take credit, it's ok.
+Spirit Of The Law This comment is the perfect reply in all ways.
+TheMV1992 Hey, some of us American's are quite knowledgeable when it comes to geography.
That said, when you're the center of the world, everywhere else starts to look like just another border. :P
+HitodamaKyrie and thats what he meant hahaha
+Justin Galipeau just enough to have a horrible reputation for being so though.
Very cool, custom maps always seemed like one of the best aspects about strategy games in my opinion.
well done, mate! it is a very interesting episode of history...
One. Gosh damn you did a lot of work
Two, this is frickin awesome, I love what you did
This is phenomenal. Trying this this week
rly nice idea men keep going with great ideas and videos :)!
Love the idea, also great video. Might give this a go when I can.
That's some high level map-making skills you got there.
Have you throught about giving the roman factions bigger pops say like 600 each. They would still be at a disadvantage from a lot more going on but army sizes would be the same?
You have done an amazing job!
awesome map work! I was able to use it to create a conquer Europe scenario for me and my friends
This looks like an awesome idea man
Looks awesome :D good work!
As a creator of scenario myself, I LOVED this video. Thanks a lot for the tips (for doing a realistic map from a sandwich bag^^ that's genius =) ).
I suscribed and hope playing it soon online =)
More of this please! Its fun
8:39 WOlolo my favorite part hahaha, but seriously cool map! keep making more videos.
Thats a pretty cool scenario!
1:08 Why is it so hard to make a map from scratch?
The Geographer's answer to the mathematician ;) :
Because maps are projections!
In this case you are trying to put a "Winkel" projection map on a basically "Peters" or "equal area" projection map that is also tilted to give the impression of an isometric view!
Sources:
-Places and Regions in Global Context, Human Geography (2nd edition) by Paul Knox and Sallie Marston
-De Grote Bos Atlas (51st edition) by Wolters-Noordhoff Atlas Productions
great work man!
Dude, awesome. Very tempted to download and play a game.
Just saw a game on this map. Didn't imagine you created. Congratulations.
I think it looks good, maybe the Wonders should be castles instead, so they are able to defend themself a little? Of course, using canons or trebuches it woulden't matter, but it would nerf the galleys a little if nothing else.
Very well drawn :O
Just want to say that I've been playing this map recently again, and it's really great if you get a bunch of friends to play together.
I saw this video and I got depressed :(
I wish could make a map like this.
Anyway, you made a amazing job, really love this creation!
Can't wait to try it out
Very cool. I wish that, when talking about it, you'd refer more to the actual locations. It's hard to tell where (geographically) everything is.
Fantastic video!
I suck at this game because I cant handle a lot of units at the same time, I always play in standard difficulty. building custom maps is fun though and the fact that you did all the drawing process is awesome
This is awesome, very cool
Pretty ingenious of you to use a thin layer to sketch a realistic model. Well done.
Brilliant Work!!!
Nice map bro !!
Dude this looks amazing! Just 2 ideas for you:
1. increase the population cap of the Roman players
and/or
2. decrease the number of barbarian players by 1 or 2
Evoshun I suppose someone could always set player 7 or 8 as a computer on easiest so it's a 2v5 with an easy computer ally, which would contribute very little to the group effort. I think it's about balanced as it is right now, to be honest, and I'd worry about the Roman players steamrolling the barbarian towns in the first 20 minutes if they were any more powerful. I think the Romans each start with 4 TCs (maybe East is 3, can't remember), so they not only have more villagers, but also more TCs out of the gate, along with all the economic buildings and military buildings they need. They can also wall and build castles, so the barbarians need a big edge on population to give them a fighting chance haha
Wow can't wait to try it
Aha I had this downloaded ages before I heard of you, played it with my mates good fun
dude, this is awesome
I already gave up at France and Spain lol
You really have the spirit
Awesome effort!
Holy Crab how you did the map :D Thats awesome
About the scenario editor and player definitions (in FE at least), some time ago I figured out that in the scenario editor, player x always means "the x-th player in the player list" and doesn't go by color, while when choosing the game settings, the color (and player number you choose there) makes you get the corresponding colored units and buildings in the scenario.
This is great you seem to have thought of everything
Great Job.. I wish I could play with you guys at this scenario..
This is the best you tube channel!
your channel is awesome !
THIS IS AMAZING
Nice work bro
Very amazing video, thanks a lot
thats already awesome 0.o
Drew Durnil made a video on this map a few days ago
So time consuming it’s amazing some of the maps people have made. Like the game of thrones map that has 50million triggers it’s just amazing.
This doesn't make me think you're Martha Stwart, this makes methink you're Bob Ross.
Man idk why I got here but this brings me soo much memories hearing the sound of it, and that lololo
Cool. I was never a big AoE fan, but i like this map.
Hey, SOTL. Great map and game. Really neat work. I've already seen the updated version as well, but don't you think you should disable more shipyard units for all civilizations? That should make the game more interesting and long, for it would take more ground units to siege the Romans. Anyway thanks for such an amazing map!
you should do a punic wars scenario (rome vs cathargo)
there is one
Great work
Damn, what is with those moonwalking units? Has to be one of the most amazing glitches I've seen in AOE II.
Really nice map!! But i want to see you play with the romans!
VERY good work ^^
This scenario is really cool! I was wondering why you decided to make a scenario about the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. I'm a student of Roman history and was wondering if you are too.
that sandwich bag idea is ingenious
Nice thinking !
Fantasy ideea Map!
the map looks beautiful
Nice work.
wait wait... u made that map? nice work :D
you're awesome! this is great!
Doesn't really look like the Romans have much of a chance...
I don't know, doesn't seem very balanced. Great idea though! Looks like fun!
Romans are about endure. You can win even having a single town center