the most technical street fighter character
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Today we're discussing one of the most difficult, technical, and complex characters in Street Fighter history - it's SF4's Crimson Viper, or C Viper. We'll be going through her super jump cancel (sjc) technique, how to use feint, and go through some of her challenge trial combos to see how hard they are! Hope you enjoy the video!
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Can't believe she isn't back yet. Such a dope character.
Hopefully C. Viper returns in Street Fighter 6
She needs too. She would fit/look so good
She most likely will she was very requested for V when she appeared in few character stories.
If C. Viper returns in SF6, it's over.
@@NRobbi42 drive gauge and faints are gonna make crazy combos and pressing buttons is gonna be scary
I hope so I really like C. Viper though I don't like how overpowered she was in The Ties That Bind.
So in a sense, she is basically Capcom's take on an SNK style character, including the super jump and the feints almost similar to Garou MoTW
id say some of her super jump stuff like her super cancels are more unforgiving then even some of the hardest SNK stuff. They made her balls to the wall hard for no raisin.
I always felt it was weird for her to be in marvel 3, but not in sf5, i hope she comes back in sf6
Really? I feel like she’s the perfect SF character to put in a MvC game.
@@ellis7622 The problem is that there's a ton of Marvel characters she overlaps with. Maria Hill, Black Widow, Viper, Black Cat, Silver Sable, Agent 13...I mean, I like C Viper, but even on Capcom's side, characters like Ada, Lady or Regina could potentially be used instead.
@@CrocvsGator yeah the secret agent lady with cool gadgets isn’t exactly a unique archetype. I just meant if they were looking to put a SF4 character in the game (which would make sense as it had just come out a few years before MvC3) then Viper makes a lot of sense.
@ELL IS Honestly I feel Cammy (or Decapre) works better, but looking at the base Street Fighter 4 roster....I mean C Viper doesn't have much competition. There's Abel, who is kind of bland, Seth, who likewise would be bland until SF5 made Seth a Gynoid...Gluten, but we already have Ryu and Akuma, and that leaves Rufus and El Fuerte.......never mind C Viper is absolutely the right choice then.
Edit: Gouken, not Gluten, lol
@@CrocvsGator You are forgetting about Juri. Especially given how she has been in all SFs since her introduction, she probably makes more sense as a crossover character in retrospect.
The fourth game was my first real Street Fighter, and I immediately leapt to Viper because her visual design was so goddamn cool. It was rough because of her learning curve.
But after picking up my own arcade stick, the learning process became smoother. Still took time, but I could do stuff I couldn’t on pad. Yes, that includes her super jump shenanigans and special move feints, even the FFF.
I'm kind of surprised she wasn't in the starting cast for SF6. I have no doubt she'll be a DLC character.
There are so many characters that they could choose. Why should they pick her? It would be cool though
Juri stole C. Viper's popularity
Yep. Juri completely took over the scene and all the hype around C.Viper somewhat died.
Its the "shiny object" mentality.
Capcom was pushing Juri really hard back then. They even gave her an OVA where she kicks everyone's asses.
Feet fetish will do that
@@EvilRyuGuy Viper also kicked the women's asses in the first SFIV ova. Capcom also wanted to push her hard before. She even made the cut for MvC3 but turns out fans didn't like her. And what makes her even more unpopular is she is hard to play which almost guarantees she won't make it in any game unless she's massively changed. Juri wasn't even that hard but they completely rebuilt her moveset for SFV. 6:47
Juri is cool
I miss her, she's a cool character. It really feels like Juri overshadowed her.
good!
Viper is so much cooler than Juri. I guess people just like video game feet?
I think Viper being so technical hurt her popularity.
@@subterraneanretrogames556Hey whos complaining about Feet?😂
I always thought Viper and Gouken were the coolest SFIV characters.
I always love technical characters, so much to grind and practice.
Exactly, half the fun is figuring them out
I feel kind of bad for C. Viper. Imagine being overshadowed by a completely different character just because people like looking at their feet.
what can i say, wearing shoes is an L.
Juri is just much cooler even without the feet thing
True but juri in sf5 got ASS
Hmm
I mean folk like feet and people like the boob window.
She's basically a KOF character in Street Fighter. Even her look is KOF.
Like ingrid
For real. KOF characters either look like they are going clubbing or going to casual Friday at the office.
Remy too
Oh OK it's not just me, I was gonna post that
That was a common complaint from people who hated her design, actually
Love this character. You can do even more crazy things like canceling normals into super jump fadc for pressure or resets.
You can even super jump cancel normals in to both ultras
Damn her playstyle is as stylish as her outfit. Time to learn SFIV
I remember playing against a top C. Viper player back when I had a decent A ranked Guy. He was trying to troll me after a hard knock down with a flame kick vortex but I labbed the move and caught him out the air with an ex izuna that KO'ed him for Match point. It was the coolest thing I ever did to a high level player. I can't remember his tournament name but his gamertag was porkchop something or other.
Was it possibly Pokchop? He's a Tekken pro who also competed in SFIV. The vods ive seen he plays Abel in tourney but he may also play C. Viper.
@@urmum9898 nah it's not him but your inquiry rung a bell. I could see his face but could not remember the name and then I remembered the "what are you standing up for" video. It was Wolfkrone.
Sounds like it was Wolfkrone, he went by something like that online
porkloafking= Wolfkrone
@@xProxable THAT'S IT!
I always thought she was a pretty cool character but knew she was way too difficult for me lol
Whenever i see C.viper, Latif pop up in my mind. Him and Xian were respectful monsters amongst monsters for maining these tricky characters.
Same here. His Viper was naaasty.
Xian’s Gen is goated
Back in the day I managed to teach myself the fierce feint fierce-combo but I realized I would never land it in a real match so I put the character down.
Man, there are even a lot more tech behind her Jump cancels. For instance, canceling the High Jump with focus attack, instant air burn kicks and other stuff.
I love Viper. I wish Capcom would bring her back for 6...
MvC3 was my first fighting game and she always looked cool in it. She has the seismo loops there as well, which stuck out at the time. I didn't realize how much marvel stuff she had in SF4! The super jump cancels and (effective) ability to cancel a special into a super is wild.
I love the Majora's Mask transition. That cracked me up hearing the big clock sound-bite.
Awesome videos as always JM. Keeping me a frequent viewer to be sure!
C.Viper always felt like a KoF character dropped into an SF game. Both her visual design and her gameplay.
Used to annoy me back when SF4 first came out, but I’ve learned to appreciate this aspect of her design over the years
Well, she is BASICALLY Capcom's answer to SNK's Vanessa.
Redhead secret agent who wears a nice suit and is also a mom.
She does play like a KOF character. I think she got her most use and notoriety in MVC3 thanks to Marlin Pie.
never played much viper in sf, but she was just as unhinged in umvc3. I had a lot of fun labbing combos that just looked cool as fuck with her even if they weren't optimal by any means.
C.Viper was my first fightstick character and the character that made me really sit down and LEARN Streetfighter.
I remember the hype of seeing the art of her in 5's story back in the day.
I played R.Mika as a temporary 'until C.Viper comes out' character.
...I still main R.Mika to this day.
I wish C Viper was in sfv. Hopefully they bring her back in 6
i pray that viper comes back for 6 i had SO much fun playing her in 4. i wish she would keep her identity as a technical monster but i imagine 6 will dumb it down a bit. regardless would love to see her again. super cool char.
Can't forget she has the loudest and most obnoxious death scream in the game
I've been in the FGC for over a decade now and I like how you make videos getting into the specifics and explaining in a broad sense without losing the charm. With that said, may I make a request on a video for the most specific moves in FGs? I'm talking about moves that were meant for only one thing. i.e. lore specific character moves that work in match
Negative Edge... Such a badass name
I just started playing sf4 last month because of your videos and I've been playing C. Viper! I just started playing her because of her super jump cancels and I had no idea she had so much cool tech
Crimson Viper is my #1 most requested character to return. Capcom spent all of 5 teasing a return, too, then never made good. I get Manon, though, so I'll call it even...
this is a 20 second video. C.Viper... thanks for coming out. I literally hurt myself trying to learn some of her basic combos..
Also the most technical character in UMVC3 as well, I hope she makes it into SF6
Wish she came back, great design
God, the white suit for Viper is so sick. Reminds me a lot of Guile's full white uniform; just as clean.
i really like how technical C.viper is. it allows for more player expression. Like multiple people can play her and each play her a different way. unlike street fighter 5 where if u fought 1 bison player u have pretty much fought every single bison player in history because everyone plays him the exact same way. And that goes for 99.8 percent of all sfv characters. except for like Dan or Gill
Off the top of my head, the top C. Viper players to look for are:
- Joe (original Japanese Viper god)
- Kaqn (yes, ArcSys legend Kaqn, who has a competent, if conventional Viper)
- Dashio (not sure if he’s still active, but his Viper is top-notch)
- Uryo (a self-proclaimed successor to Joe, who has since switched to Sakura)
- FlashMetroid (had a wicked Viper on par with Joe and Uryo, not sure if still active)
- Wolfkrone
- Latif (last two are self-explanatory)
Fun fact: True charge partitioning (a la 3rd Strike Urien) is very rare. The only major games with it (afaik, let me know if I missed one) are 3rd Strike, Under Night... and Smash Ultimate.
Smash? Is there some place where I can learn about this?
@@fiammaorsmth9840 jmcrofts has a video on it, but it's not like a tutorial or anything. In Smash, it's pretty much only used by Terry for his up B iirc. If you can't find a Terry-specific one, maybe just look up a 3rd Strike or (Under Night) charge partitioning tutorial, the same concept applies; you hold the charge direction, do something else, then finish the charge/do the remaining motion to get a much quicker attack.
I love these kind of videos thx for putting it put there :)
C. Viper was my favorite character to watch in sf4. I loved marlin pie on her. It really made me want to learn but I couldn’t really find a guide at the time to help me learn what my bnb should be. I tried to pick it up from tournament videos but no many people learned her so it was tough. I resorted to the combo trials and could not for the life of me figure out the trick to some of them so I ended up giving up on the pick but boi would I love if she came back to street fighter
I always appreciate c viper getting a little love cause she was one of the most fun and unique characters I've ever played
Man thats why I always watch Jm, always showing off crazy stuff about games i've been playing for years that I never knew lmao think this might be the best channel for someone wanting to learn a fighting game.
i thought she was one of the most interesting new comers. its a shame hse hasent come back
you should also give her a comparison vid for MVC too
I missed out on the SF4 train, but I really like C. Viper on her design alone. Plz Capcom, bring her backkk
Wonder if she still working for the CIA her and Cammy should team up.
She most likely is still working for the CIA, but due to Ties That Bind, I don't see the good guys willingly teaming up with her soon.
Also, Super Street Fighter IV & Juri happened once she came around, C. Viper pretty much died in popularity.
Cammy teaming up with C. Viper that be interesting but Cammy would probably want a little revenge on C. Viper.
The Udon comics had her team up with Juri. She was also keeping tabs on her in Juri’s sf5 story, so that’s a chaotic pairing I’d love to see
I love how her being super technical aligns with her character. She's not a demon, she doesn't have like super strength but she's highly trained and on a mission.
Great vid!
I’d love to see her again. I never picked her up cuz of her crazy tech, but I damn well respected whenever I saw someone play her well. Always was cool to see. I wouldn’t want to take that away from her gameplay concept
Characters who combo using negative edge are sick! I knew of its existence, but the fact it's applicable to a bnb is crazy
I'm glad that Poison in Sf has her whip-cancel, it feels like doing C.viper ground pound cancels.
I get the vibe she’s like a SNK/KoF character considering how they really like their short hops and super jumps
I've mained Viper since 2009 and only knew about creating an empty reversal by feinting EX-Seismic Hammer. I had NO idea you could feint Heavy Thunder Knuckle in those situations, awesome!!
I'm glad she wasn't in SFV. Because I just know they would have made the feint her vs 1 or vt 1 and vs2 would be to super jump. Hopefully she can make it to SF6 with most of her options intact
C viper effects would look so good in sf6
I'm sad you left out what I think is her hardest (but not necessarily useful) technique - meterless FADC. Something like ... c.hp -> EX seismo -> sjc -> regular focus (not EX) dash cancel -> ultra. Maybe useful in the sense that it might make the midscreen combo into ultra more consistent provided you can execute well enough.
So not really a meterless FADC but more like a 1 meter FADC (as opposed to the normal 2 meter FADC). That’s really cool, I didn’t know she could do that.
@@ellis7622 Depends how you execute it. It can be completely metereless if done off a regular seismo. It's just even less practical that way. Technically the meterless part only describes the FADC part and not the other parts of the combo since it's people normally assume the regular 2 bar FADC when it's mentioned - or in the case of the combo above it'd be 3 total bars.
@@Sankantsu if you did it off a regular seismo you’d have to change up the combo cause I’m pretty sure c. HP doesn’t combo into regular seismo (except off a counter hit probably) but I see what you’re saying regarding the FADC itself being meterless. Regardless, it’s very cool tech.
she would be so sick in SF6. the whole drive system gives everyone so much sauce
Ibuki is always a pretty technical character regardless of which game you’re looking at.
Viper is one of the most fun characters to watch. She’s amazing.
I loved c viper i played her in sf 4 and marvel... i wasnt super good i could get cancels on a good day but i loved her design i hope she comes back for 6
She would be a demon with the drive rush and drive gauge system for her pressure style.
The abusable invincibility looks like some hidden Shulk tech in Smash 4/Ult or alternatively Kazuya stuff in Smash. As long as you can recover fast enough to block or do a normal, that's plenty since SF4 has chip damage, ultras with some gaps and I don't think C. Viper got a parry with Omega... though maybe they messed with this tech in Omega.
C. Viper is so hard to play without a stick. I play mostly controller and shes tough as nails on a pad.
This. I play pad too and the thunder knuckle cancels feel so awkward to pull off in combos
For reals. Thats why i mained Guy. His bnb are easy and hes got easy confirms. Too bad hes low tier lmao
Could you explain what the symbols mean in the challenge mode I recently got back into fighting games and I decided to start with usf4 so I thought the challenge would be a good way to learn but i have no idea what the start button symbol is for among others lol thank you in advance
I was stuck on C. Viper's last trials for what felt like months, I would just get a little bit of time between takeaway delivery to try to beat that abhorrently hard last trial, and I finally did it about a month ago, it's specifically linking the crouching hard punch to that EX move that got me, I finally managed to do it after finicking around enough to make it work for me
Shout out for the legendary Latif
I loved playing C.Viper, she was such a fun new addition in SF4
Damn I think I knew about negative edge back in the day but the way you explained it at the very least sounds so much easier to fadc into ultra by negative edging (ha) just hold all three buttons (360 controller obviously) instead of mashing for em and getting ex shoree instead. Watershed moment lol
The feint cancels look sick, gives me big Johnny vibes
Viper was my main when I was playing 4. She was so fun and destroyed mashers- either wakeup mashers or people mashing jab mid combo. Got them TILTED. Loved it.
I'm actually surprised that she didn't make it into SF5. I always thought she was fairly popular. Maybe not as much as Juri, but she was damn sure more liked than characters like Rufus or El Fuerte'.
He didn't mention her most broken tool for pressure. Meterless FADC. Viper can seismo cancel into focus attack and dash forward for free to continue pressure.
Also, I found doing heavy TN feignt is easier if you SJC the heavy attack first. So instead of HP qcb HP TN feignt, do HP down and circle to up (or up back) then feignt. The few extra frames of Viper starting her SJ give you a little leeway.
Oh she looks like a Melee character! I didn't know she existed and now I want her in SF6
Bae Viper😍 Gawd, I miss her. Played SF4 in arcades recently and remembered just how much fun she is
Always loved C.Viper, thought she was coolest of the new characters in SF4. She always reminded me of Black Widow but the American C.I.A. version
I played this game on controller while it was popular, but I ended up getting a stick just to complete her, Ibuki, Gen, and Fuertes trials 😅
I played her in MvC3 and she was my favorite! Looking back after this video I realized why I sucked so bad with her though lol
Best combo for me was fierce feint fierce, ex seismic hammer, high jump cancel, fadc, to ultra.
Ex hammer , high jump cancel into fadc was a great mixup tool.
Instead of ultra finish go for a reset.
I never knew about the hp cancel for invincibility but for the 🔥 kick to the ultra is easier to do from mk instead of hk
Jumped into 4 hella new and a bit late, had to drop my c.viper training since she was way too technical. So chun became my first main.
I played a bit of Viper back in the days, ton of fun but extremely hard to get good with.
And yeah I totally agree, C.Viper needs to return in SF6!
I remember playing her back then, very casually but it was fun.
I really really love C Viper, tried to play her. Even got her BnB somewhat down to the point where I can do it pretty much on command, but she is exhausting to play. So I hope capcom brings her back and makes her less stressful to play. For example they could simply make the light versions of her special moves the feints.
I am planning on playing JP in the meantime as he also seems to be a very technical character, although an entirely different archetype
It's so strange how she didn't return in SFV, the game has 2 empty slots on the character select screen that are just BEGGING to be filled and one of them should be Viper.
Especially since the ONLY SFIV reps in that game are Juri (who makes sense she's the most popular SFIV newcomer after Viper) and Seth (who is the boss of SFIV and got a neat redesign), so having her would've balanced things a bit by having the 3 most essential characters.
And the fact that she was kinda sorta teased in other characters's story modes, complete with a new Baroness/Black Widow-esque new design only makes it worse in retrospective.
I never learned how to do FnF consistently for all the years I played IV. I can do it in training but in a match, hell nah. I want her to come back so bad!
Wish she would come back in SF6. My sweet redheaded Angelena Jolie! She was my first official fighting game character I ever played seriously. What a mistake! But I would never take it back since it grew my fundamental controls by leaps and bounds!
she neeeeds to come back in SF6, such a cool character and so many cool things you can do with her kit
Imagine a SF-like game where every character has super jump cancels and feints on all their special moves, would be really cool honestly
I tried picking her up, but damn. She's way to difficult for ME. I do like watching others who know what they're doing with her. So much fun but I can't do it.
What? How come you "can't" do it?
Unless you are mentally or physically disabled, then you should be able to do it with enough practice, you just don't want to.
Train harder and you'll look back at this with a smile
Your the best!
She looks awesome, never played her
C.Viper was a great new character with a cool design and pretty unique style. She should definitely come back.
Unbelievably hard. I can't even do links properly in sf4
she is super cool. bring her back!
C. Viper was my 1st go-to new character when I first played SFIV, I loved her look and style, but I'm not as skilled player as you 😊
Yes please! C. Viper for SF6! ❤
Crimson Viper is one of my favorite characters of all tie. I used to play her in SF4. I sucked with her because she was so difficult to learn/play(however I suck with most all characters in fighting games), but she's just such a badass. Even getting my ass handed to me almost every match was still super fun. I also hope she returns in SF6.
I'm not a fan of needing so many things for a character, but I do hope they bring her back for 6 in some way
sonyono was insane with C viper and Ibuki
I played her for vanilla through AE 2012. She was really fun but I got bored of her neutral and switched to juri in ultra.
She was my main day one in vanilla Street Fighter IV.
Really hope Viper comes back for SF6. I wasn’t into fighting games when SF4 was around and she’s one character I regret never playing.
I Loved this video a LOT! She DEFINITLEY got overshadowed by Juri!
For good reason.