The True Cost of 4K
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2022
- What is the TRUE COST of 4K? The answer may surprise you! In this physical media discussion, let's talk about how much it actually costs to make a 4K UHD disc compared to DVDs and Blu-rays!
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As someone with a hard-of-hearing stepfather and deaf best friend, I can say that subtitles are crucial. After finding several instances of even blu ray movies without subtitles, I've learned to check on every title when my buddy comes over for a movie night.
Agreed. It should be a non-negotiable.
Good video man, very informative. I have absolute respect for the physical media and the 4k format. Boutique labels are what collecting is all about and the amount of work that goes into the special editions from the packaging up to the transfers and booklets.
I have always thought of 4K as the final authority on quality and sound (Atmos/DTSX) and I expect to pay a premium for owning it. My friend a few months ago was horrified to realize he cannot watch anymore Star Trek (without Paramount+). I own the entire original series and next generation on remastered Blu-ray, so I have choices. Now he knows why we collect discs.
Geek on ⚡🤘✨
Yo Heath, I absolutely love your videos! Your videos have inspired me to continue my movie collecting. Keep on keeping on!
Another great video. Thank you for the information and the work you do.
Hey Heath, your explanation of the costs involved makes perfect sense. The Drive limited edition box set from Second Sight was very expensive to purchase but when you see the final product you realise how much time and effort it probably took to get everythingready for shipping. Thank you for explainingthis topic..
This actually explains a lot. Down here in Australia, every 4K disc on the market is made by Sony-Universal (and a scant few titles by Warner and Disney). I myself have complained that Umbrella, when releasing a BluRay of an Australian film have often said "From a new 4K scan" and yet they don't have any 4K's. Now I know why, given the market for older Australian films is probably next to nothing. Plus if Sony are making all the discs, the cost to Umbrella is probably way more than the costs you have hinted at here. It would therefore only be profitable to offer those via streaming.
umbrella has released a couple 4k discs. the babadook and at least one other title are what i've seen at JB. it's interesting seeing the umbrella logo on a black case.
Great video essay...It makes sense that many classic movies will be available in 4K ..others maybe not so...the market will decide if the customer wants it...It seems to me that 4K is still a fledgeling format and that may explain why there is no region format ( yet ) for these discs ...we live in interesting times..
We don't need region formats/ locks as they don't enhance the user experience
As a collector on a budget, I don't need anything but the 4k disc. If that comes with modest special features great, but I don't need a blu-ray or DVD combo or triple pack if that will keep costs down.
Im sure they add bluray dvd disc just to entice you to buy it. its just the regular bluray the studio already made crammed into you box. lets say the bluray is 20 dollars and the 4k version is 25. wouldnt you want to buy the bluray 4k combo it its 29.99? you can get both. they make money on them all. thats why he wouldnt give the actual numbers. im sure its like 2 bucks for most discs or less.
Restoration and looking for better film prints is probably a big cost
I love this type of video! Thank you
Really interesting video Heath :)
Great video. I can totally understand why studios are hesitant. Sometimes we don't understand the cost of creation, as you said best to speak with or without our wallets. Looking forward to see what 4Ks may come.
Thanks for putting this video together...it provides a lot of food for thought !
I'm really surprised that DVDs are still so popular given Blu-rays offer a massive step up in quality and are reasonably affordable.
The 4K manufacturing costs are significantly steeper than I'd imagined...this makes me more comfortable paying some of the higher prices being asked for disks I'm thinking about purchasing...especially in light of your comments about companies needing to consider whether manufacturing future 4Ks would be a viable enterprise or not !
Good video ! (subscribed!)
I honestly wouldn't be too worried if a 4K blu-ray was AU$50 for the 2 disc sets that are 1 4k+BD & AU$35 for just a 4K disc. Considering how many people just want the movie it would also make sense to have 2 editions in those prices & less people selling the additional BD on Facebook Marketplace.
It's crazy, having three formats. Blu ray was supposed to be the next big thing but that never out sold dvd and now 4k which sells less than blu ray! I'm a movie collector and blu ray is fine for me.
Think of every format as more luxurious though. You can go to a cheap restaurant, everyone has access but the food won't be amazing. Step it up a little, most people can still treat themselves and you get quality food but the selection is a little bit smaller. Finally, a luxury fine dining restaurant. Not everyone can afford it, the selection is even smaller still, but the experience is superb.
DVD was marketed like crazy. Not only was the quality an amazing bump up from VHS, but they also often had a widescreen aspect ratio. It was dirt cheap to produce as well. Blu-ray players were expensive for too long, so other than PS3 owners not many actually bought a separate blu-ray player. And even the PS3 was expensive. So while blu-ray managed to obtain decent success in developed countries like the US, about half of Europe and some other countries like Japan... it was simply too expensive for most of the rest of the world. And in fact, still is too expensive for the rest of the world.
And when 4K started to become a thing, streaming also started to become a thing. So on top of being even more expensive and less accessible than blu-ray, it also had to compete with streaming, including 4K streaming. And while 4K streaming isn't as good in terms of quality... it's sufficient and most people don't even notice a difference. 4K blu-rays are really only a thing in the US and rich European countries. And even then, in the rich European countries it's even more of a niche than it is in the US. 10% of total sales of disc media? Probably closer to like 5% at most.
Well, there are some streaming services that can come very close to 4K blu-ray in terms of quality. Like Sony's Bravia Core service... which is sadly only available on new Sony TV's and very limited in usage. You have access to a library of some movies you can watch for free and get like 10 tokens to spend on a movie each. It's impossible to get more other than buying specific high-end Sony products. It's a weird system for the streaming services that offers the highest visual quality you can get from a streaming service.
It’s not like you can benefit from an 8K version of film. The only benefit you might receive is one from remastering, the Resolution is only useful for pixel peeping. You would have to sit so close to the screen that much of the image would be out of your FOV.
Everyone should preorder Ignite Films’ release of Invaders from Mars. It’s their first release and they sprung for a 4K disc AND a Blu-Ray. That’s amazing. We should be supporting that.
Thank you.
I just realized that some of my old vhs had subtitles that you could turn on and off... even some stuff i recorded off tv. Blew my mind
For newer movies, I like to collect the 4k disc as well as a bluray disc. I will collect an older movie in 4k/bluray combo if it is offered AND I do not own the movie already, otherwise I will just stick to bluray/dvd combos as they look just as good. Bluray is accessible to me right now since I do not have a 4k capable screen aside from my smartphone, but I hope to change that one day.
Heath, love the video, most informative. On the occasion that a choice exists I would by the 4K disc every time. The DVD is a last resort. English friendly imports are concidered equally
I like 4k and I like to buy it whenever possible but not all discs are really in 4k
Something that I never seen you talk about is the importance of dubbing in media . Probably it cost of lot of money but having dvds,blue ray s, and 4ks with my own language is awesome. Specially like some of the Disney movies that have singing and dialogue.
I think given the costs of some of these 4k sets compared to Blu or DVD they'd wanna be loads more to produce lol. Not surprised to hear that 4k is more expensive but was a bit surprised that it was THAT much more expensive! Personally I can't see 8k home media taking off in my lifetime. 4k is still niche and still expensive to scan and author as you mentioned so can't see that happening with 8k. I know a handful of films were scanned in 8k and downscaled to 4k (e.g. Baraka, My Fair Lady, Wizard of Oz). But this is pretty rare. I think Warner's does it more than most. Not sure if they think it will take off eventually? I'm unlikely to see home adoption of 8k and upgrading of my collection any 8k format. I'm still selectively upgrading certain key titles to 4k and I've been buying 4k since it was introduced! I do a lot of research before upgrading to 4k and don't just buy anything as some of the 4k transfers/HDR looks worse than some Blu ray counterparts. Usually it's the HDR colour grade that I don't like (such as being way too dark etc). But generally most are very good. Especially older films like Lawrence of Arabia and the aforementioned My Fair Lady. Just insanely good on the 4k format. I'll possibly end up with an 8k TV eventually but only if there is at least some content such as sports broadcasts so as to get the benefit. But I don't see home 8k media players anytime soon. I reckon that's 10 to 15 years away at least....if it even eventuates! Of course if I'm ever rich enough to build a full size cinema screen setup under my house then of course the higher the res the better and then I'm all in ! 😁
@@dustbin5044 the eye can notice 8k but only on a gigantic screen greater than 85 inches.
I still don’t own any 4K but want to definitely level up! I just hope once I do that 8K isn’t the next best/common thing! Love the channel! (Still also need/want a PS5! 😭)
I like to watch DVD's on my laptop computer using an external drive ($30). That's a big plus for me for the dvd format. I recently bought the complete "Quantum Leap" on DVD from the Walmart online store for $18.
Even color grading cost an arm and a leg. That's why sometimes smaller companies just do normal HDR or no HDR at all.
Nice video. I feel like you missed a major step in the process for 4K which is Restoration. While it seems there are some content owners that clearly spend little on this process (just look at all the “green/teal” HD presentations), I would tend to believe that 4K shines a bigger light on restoration/preservation.
yes i agree if done right. the biggest issue i have with most of these 4k discs is that the movie is done in 2k for movie theaters and they just slap it on a 4k disc and just digitally upscale it. so basically just adding water to your apple juice and calling it 100 percent juice. disney is the biggest criminal in that practice. almost all of their new 4k discs are just 2k upscaled to 4k and they hook you into buying it if you want the atmos sound track. wont give you atmos sound without getting the 4k disc. sucks.
It's just frustrating when they release a show on Blu ray and then stop, I bought Fargo season 1 and 2 on blu ray, season 3 they only released on DVD and season 4 is digital only. I actually noticed a lot of FX shows don't release on Blu ray at all any more it's digital sale only. Watching this does give me an appreciation for cheap 4Ks I have found in the past like Westworld season 3 4k for $15
Good stuff, Heath. Using the multipliers is a great way to explain the business cost side of physical media to those who presume that "a disc is a disc."
Thanks, Greg!
Great video. I know first hand how much work goes into DVD and BD authoring as I worked in the industry as a QC and QA technician. I literally just been interviewed by the channel Movie Collector, John Clancy being the host of the channel. He mentions that over 40 years ago it could cost £150 to buy a feature film for home viewing.
Back in 2013 when I worked at Sony a BD project could range from a few hundred pounds to a few thousand pounds and take between a week or two to a couple of months to manufacture.
I plan on doing a video on my channel called Why I think disc's are under priced and my thoughts on packaging choices.
I will definitely be mentioning your video and will link it in the description of mine.
Trevor
@@DeCapitanOG Yes I have a good argument for why I think they are under priced. I know exactly how much work goes in to compiling the discs and, how many hours it can take and that every piece of bonus item that isn't ported over from previous SKU's takes a lot of the budget. You can be talking 5-6 figure cost's to create these discs.
Granted smaller disc don't but it's usually small independently funded movies that do minimalist discs. This cost's them more because they won't be pressing 10's of thousands.
The more you press, the cheaper it is but if you are taking a gamble on your audience you might do 5000.
Hope that helps.
Trevor
@@DeCapitanOG quite a small profit margin actually regarding standard releases. For the bigger studios its not so bad as they make money from streaming and theatrical runs of new movies but the independent labels that are trying to keep many movies from disappearing into obscurity have to do the special editions.
That's where the big profit can! be but it's not guaranteed.
So I stand by my comment that the discs are under priced.
@@DeCapitanOG did I ever say I think these labels should put the cost up justbecauseIthinkthey are under charging ? No.
I've simply said I think the physical media industry is under cutting itself in an attempt to compete with streaming. So yes. If they could get away with, I believe they would charge more.
You're in so many words saying the physical media industry is just wasting its time putting all this information on an out dated format. The fact is the video quality on disc is far better than a heavily compressed movie being squeezed over the current bandwidth available.
Though the video is still compressed on disc, it's no way near as poor quality as streaming.
Why you keep comparing the physical media industry to a drinks company is beyond me.
Yes they have to tweak the taste now and the when new standars are introduced and of course they need to make new drinks as they can't just lean on the original brand. Buts i doubt that's as hard work or time consuming as creating these discs.
You brought up some very valid points but if you'd worked in the industry like I have I don't think we'd be having this conversation.
There's so many different areas to the movie industry unlike a drinks company.
So a very poor comparison.
I'm guessing you Stream your content and are happy with it?
I stream the odd thing but to me, it's now way as good an experience as watch a DVD, BD or 4K for the reasons I've already mentioned.
Have a good evening.
Trevor
I wonder how much of dvd sales are the 4K and Blu-ray combo packs.
Never gone to 4k love DVD and Blu-ray
You say the end of physical media the thing that's scares me is there is going to be so many lost films how am I going to watch films like king kong lives , twin sitters , firewalker, transylvania twist for examples?
Are they counting 4k/Blu ray combo purchases as 4k or Blu ray sales?
How do they figure dvd/bluray 📀 combos? Are the combos lumped into dvd sales or bluray sales? As I buy a lot of those.
I'm a huge physical media collector myself and have been collecting movies/TV shows on various formats for over 27 years now, and own 7,000 movies spread across DVD, Blu-ray and 4K UHD, I started collecting movies/shows around 12yrs old in 1993 on Video cassette and then upgraded to DVD in the late 90's in which I upgraded my old video cassettes to DVD and then to newer formats, now for about 14 years or so collect Blu-ray and recently in the last couple of years shifted to 4K UHD but don't mind either format for my movie collection, I really dislike how today everything is going in favor of streaming and digital with some movies not even coming to any physical media format which is a shame. Standard Blu-ray is fine for most older movies but I do wish some of the classic blockbusters from older era's came to the 4K format such as The Abyss, True Lies, Aliens, Con Air Extended Cut, and other older classic blockbuster titles as I do think they will sell quite well as I and many physical media collectors would love to own them on the 4K format with the best picture possible.
Great information and this helps me understand but not exactly jump to buy DVDs in 2022. I still will only buy 4k or BluRay
Then why is it that some newer 4K movies don't come with a Blu-ray. And the 4K is just the same price as it would be with the Blu-ray❓. I believe these companies are just greedy
A long time ago I remember hearing it cost £90mil to release next gen on blu ray.
Finally got myself a uhd blu ray player.
I'm not surprised that most television content isn't available in 4k because most of it was only recorded and edited in 480 or 1080 quality until the last few years or so. It's really only the shows that were shot on film that would benefit from a 4k edition.
This is why we see more dvd added to bins for discount cause so many are made for any show or movie and fans keep hitting blu ray or 4k cause want better quality anytime now so some or many dvd sell but still got some or many only get blu ray or 4k cause fussy about sharpness and detail any. if can get a combo dvd and bluray that is even before or blu ray 4k combo is cool.
I finally went to 4K a little over a year ago and I only have about ten movies. This is not because I don't want more things on 4K but I'm being picky about my purchases I don't think every kind of movie needs to be on 4K. I'm not going to buy a 4K of some comedy or another but I'll be happy to rebuy Star Trek 2 on my fourth format just because I think genre films like Sci-fi or horror movies will benefit from the 4K treatment. Just my two cents but I enjoyed getting an Idea of how much this stuff cost to produce though. my current favorite 4K disc is Raider of the Lost Ark. Do you have a favorite disc?
Meanwhile I started collecting 3 WEEKS ago and I have about 22 titles 😅
You should check out a channel called "Films At Home"! He posts a lot of 4k disc reviews and Top-10 lists. Some of my favorite 4K discs (in my small collection):
Mad Max: Fury Road
The Revenant
The Dark Knight/Dark Knight Rises
Planet Earth 2
LOTR Trilogy (minus the annoying DNR)
Godzilla vs Kong
@@psychomoth06 I love films at home. His channel is one of my top five movie based channels.
Almost all my 4K discs are remasters of old 35mm movies. I have almost zero interest in seeing new digitally-shot films in the 4K format, bar something that visually interests me like Dune or The Revenant. Personally I view the 4K format from an archival POV: getting to see old movies in the best quality possible. Of course we are still at the whim of the studios and directors which means that 4K isn’t automatically the superior release! coughterminator2cough
I was surprised how great old movies like Robocop and Top Gun looked in 4k, on my 65” LG C1. Apple and Netflix 4k streaming is good enough for most things, but I’m tempted to start a 4k bluray collection, just for the GOAT classics.
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I still haven't upgraded to 4K, mainly because I don't have a 4K TV. Plus yes, they cost more. But I'm thinking I may start picking some sets up that include standard BDs so I can still watch them. Overall, I'm just glad we're still getting physical releases. I picked up Sonic 2 today (standard BD).
Good info but I suspect this will sink in the way explaining region distribution/rights has. How many years are we into this and nearly every post I see by a label is greeted with "Why do you hate (insert country here)?" What I find fascinating about 4K is that relatively so few support the format but the mere announcement of a 4K title kills the resale value of the same blu-ray.
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4k is king amongst boutique labels currently i mean it's all Scream Factory release now
excuses excuses excuses lol ... great video as usual. Loving your videos and will always be jealous of your kino collection.
man I hope they have good internet when disk dies i can only wach 144p on my verizon 4g service no one will put usable interent access where I live
So based on this math it is ridiculously cost prohibited for them to make combo packs?
Wild to think that since so many people complained about that.
I personally love just 4K disc sets and absolutely despise when a dvd is included in a set.
This also doesn’t include the 3x price the company sells those discs for when they go up to maximize profit. As someone that is in business and specifically wholesale you can see just how inflated you can get while keeping a profit margin high.
I'm seeing companies like Paramount experiment with dropping combo packs and I know other companies are watching that to see how it goes. I think combo packs for studio releases could be a thing of the past sooner rather than later. For boutiques like Arrow, 88 Films, Blue Underground, Kino, etc, etc, I think combo packs are very costly. Each case is different, but it hits the boutiques the hardest of all. Ironically, those are the ones people seem to complain about the most.
Please correct me. I May be wrong. Are blu ray discs more durable than 4K discs where 4K discs can have issues more than blu ray discs.
4K discs can have more playback issues, especially if they scratch or get dirty. I believe this is because there is so much more information packed onto each disc.
@@CerealAtMidnight Thank you for replying. I really appreciate it.
And here I am perfectly happy with my Samsung 1080p tv with a nice blu-ray player 🙂
I'm amazed at the number of people that go out and buy a 90" 4k (aka 2160p) TV, but are are content to watch 480p quality DVDs on it.
Most casual people believe that if you have a new 4K TV then that's all that's required for their content to look good. They don't get you need the proper medium, the proper settings, the proper cables. I've had to explain this to many people throughout the years
I think they should ditch the regular BD from 4K releases already and lower the price. If I want the regular BD I buy that, not the 4K.
Wouldn't it be crazy if they put in northern exposure on 4K or even Blu-ray I have it all on DVD they're cute they come in little jackets check it out I'm sure there are some photos online
But why are so many movies only in 4K in the US, both in physical and/or digital purchase ex. on iTunes?
It already exists, but if not made available, people can’t buy them.
Can you provide an example, what you are saying doesn’t make sense. AFAIK, all 4K films are available in dvd and bluray. Digital, they are in multiple resolutions, 4K to HD to SD.
@@robertt9342 many movies in 4K is not released as 4K in Europe. It’s like the movie world only cares about America
I could make the same argument about the rest of the world! Hundreds of films are getting releases in Europe and Australia that have not seen a release in the USA. The 4K restoration of Dawn of the Dead is the highest profile example I can think of right now.
@@CerealAtMidnight my list would be to long for a comment. But to name a few mainstream movies not available in 4K iTunes Denmark:
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
John Whick
Fifth Element
And many, many more….
Oh, I see, you're talking about iTunes. I can't help there! I'm a physical media man and almost every 4K disc is region free!
if they cose so much how come a 4k disk comes with a 2k blu ray get rid of the doubleforamt and save some money just relase single disk with just the movie no extras for $15 for 4k and $10 for blu ray
They could save a fortune by not always including the Blu-ray. What’s that all about?
Personally I prefer neat add-ins to 4k. A standard blu-ray with a reversible cover and a poster, pamphlet, or something like that is more interesting than a 4k to me.
Great video Heath, based on this it actually sounds like the 4K disc can be the most cost effective way to purchase a movie. The quality of that you were getting based upon the cost that actually Incurs to produce, buying it for $25-$35 it’s not that big of a deal considering it could easily have cost 6 to 7 times more than the DVD. New DVDs can often go for $5 to $10 so really the 4k disc for $30 or so is a reasonable price it very easily could cost $60.
Blu rays haven’t seemed to come down in cost over time
I can accept the idea of manufacturing and distribution costs, but without a more through breakdown of cost-per-step, the problem still isn't solved. We need more information so we can figure out better solutions to improve the cost-to-quality ratio.
Like, why does it cost 5 or 6 figures to scan a film? Does the label own the scanner or is it renting or did it get a loan for it and it's trying to pay it off? Is it multiple passes? Is it a breakdown of $/minute because of electricity use? Is is a data storage thing? Does that include licenses and payroll for staff during scanning? *What are the nuts and bolts of the costs?* If we now these things, maybe we can all figure out better methods.
Yeah, I was thinking why would scanning cost more? Like I looked quickly and Black Magic has a multiform film scanner for $30K. I mean even if a more high end version that cost 300k that is spread across all releases and something are scanned in 4k and but released as 2k. To do 4K editing and coloring it is more expensive but still fixed cost and can be recovered and re-used. The larger disc ok that makes sense.
Last I saw DVD was closer to 45% market share. Blu at 35%, 4K 20%. Maybe their numbers were wrong.
It changes every single week. This week's stats for the week of August 6th have DVD at 59.8%, Blu-ray at 30.2%, and 4K at an even 10%.
So what your saying is buy the used blu ray of the tv shows I’m wishing would come out on 4K as the likelihood of seeing them in 4K is highly unlikely.
But buy the new 4K discs to show the studios what classics (Out of Sight, Godfather trilogy) that I’d like to see more of.
TV on Blu sells much less than TV on DVD, which is why some studios have stopped TV on Blu altogether. If you're buying used TV on Blu, the studios don't know that you want more of that format.
Makes sense. But it makes you wonder how sites like Hamilton books is able to sell blu-ray 📀 so cheap. Probably cost more to make the Bluray than what Hamilton is charging. 🤔
The really deep deals that you see at Hamilton Book are closeouts of things that are being cleared out, are going out of print, and won't be around anymore once they're gone. Hamilton Book represents the final chance to own most of those titles before they disappear.
I still watch laserdiscs through an expensive upscaler, and find the quality is good enough for my needs.
Laserdiscs were very expensive to make in clean room conditions, plus the cost of transfering the original film.
Not all were created equal, and some titles were dire.
The same applies to DVD, when laserdiscs production stopped, some of the plants were used to make DVD's
and i suspect that they are still in use, and possibly make blu-rays as well.
Re 4K yes upscaling the older films will be expensive, and the masters to stamp the discs will cost more
but i don't think as much as we are led to believe.
4K is similar to what Laserdisc was back in its day, the best quality that the available technology can provide.
and as such will command a premium price over standard Blu-Rays.
4K will remain a niche market as Laserdisc was, and only bought by collectors who want the best and can afford it.
One small point, there are very few manufacturers of 4K players left, and i have not seen any new models for a couple
of years, so if you want to keep watching 4K, buy a good player while you can.
I was a big fan of LD back in the day. Had the Pioneer Elite LD-S2 modified for AC-3. That thing weighed as much as a modern 65" flat panel. 4K isn't the niche market as Laserdisc was. 4K has around 20% of the market share. LD was never close to that. Availability was the big problem. I live in Colorado Springs, only one place sold them new, only one place rented them. When a special collectors edition 4k comes out at $40 people complain about paying that. When Jurassic Park came out on LD in the fall of '94 it was $40. In today's money that's $100
@@johnbruce4003 The only market where laserdisc
was a success was Japan here in the UK it was very niche, we had to buy from grey importers who hid behind ,PO box addresses the few high street stores only sold a small range of PAL titles and they cost a fortune.
Blu ray was the last format for me and I don't buy discs anymore anyways
I don't get why they GIVE a free blu-ray with the 4k tho. Like it feels like I'm paying more for an extra disc I don't need.
Thank you so much. And especially for the graphics, because just spouting numbers doesn't always clarify. (Speaking as someone who works in Accounts Payable, I have seen people glaze over once one starts reciting numbers.) Also for the note that every addition, even the ones we don't tend to think about as an extra (i.e. subtitles), adds to the cost. When Cohen released THE OLD DARK HOUSE onto Blu, they used a picture of Karloff for the label art, and the online blu hissies (forgive the pun) reached a point of absurdity. (Granted, I would have preferred that they had used the original poster art, but if it meant that much, I am also free to make my own label art.)
@@DeCapitanOG The angry Blu hissies had nothing to do with the disc; it was about the cover art. The people who were complaining the loudest had not purchased the disc; in fact, they were complaining that they refused to purchase the disc unless the cover art was the original poster, or unless the cover art was reversible. Which I would also have preferred, but which, as has been pointed out in this video, would have added to the cost of a disc that was going to see primarily to a very specific niche of aficionados. That is not passion; that is nitpicking.
I continue to advocate for intelligent criticism. The whole "I screamed at you because I care" doesn't hold much water with me, and people have cried wolf so many times over tiny issues that the distributors have basically put fandom on mute. Sometimes there are real issues that need to be addressed, but the constant outrage makes it harder for those criticisms to be found and heard.
And I thought HD-DVD was going to be big. 😞
Films At Home mentioned they cost 5 bucks
My question is - who asked for the DVD & blu-ray version with the 4K 🤷
There is no set price for a 4K disc and manufacturing costs vary wildly. Some of them cost WAY more than $5.
DVD on a 4K TV. I just don't get it.
Won't be getting Heat on 4K it's HDR has made the picture way too dark
The picture was dark, I watched it the other day, but it's not as bad as they're saying. With the right settings, it still looks better than it did previous.
So if a DVD is a dollar a 4K is a about 6.50?
That's a good way of looking at it, yes. Every case is different, but that multiplier is pretty accurate.
@@CerealAtMidnight Damn that's crazy. Ty!
The vast majority of consumers likely don't care about 4K, so those discs are never going to sell in high volume. I would also question why so many manufacturers choose to release 4K discs in such fancy packaging which can really bump up the price, many times it is unnecessary and what you get in these collectors editions is just superfluous crap. Can't we just have the film at a lower price? 4K is only ever going to appeal to a niche market, and it does feel like they are exploited by manufacturers.
The true cost is a metric FORTUNE. And I'm not rich, I'm not 30 years old anymore, and my health isn't 150%. So... 4K is a big no for me. It's a loss and it will bankrupt me. So... let's keep 1080p around longer.
I’ll always take the 4K if available but for most tv shows I want I’m just happy to get the Blu-Ray as more and more shows release in DVD only format which then forces me to buy the show off iTunes. Now if a movie is going to be released on 4K then the studio should not sell a separate Blu-Ray version as most of the time it’s included with the 4K anyway and it would save a ton of extra packages, manufacturing, shelf space ect.
The TV on DVD only thing is so frustrating to me too, especially for shows that were shot in HD that still don't have Blu-ray releases like Elementary and Chicago PD, especially considering that the Blu-ray cost isn't really that much higher than DVD (per this very informative video).
Good Day, What we pay for a 4K disc is just a fraction of price for what we get. Thank you for sharing.
Those who collect Blu ray and dvd that’s fine but you get what you pay for in some cases I’d say a lot of the 4K discs are better, not always whether it’s PQ or AQ. But for the most part HDR sets everything apart on PQ side. Atmos you can get on Blu-ray.
Me personally I don’t buy every 4K and just movies I like and will have me watch more than once. Sometime I do buy blind because of the PQ and I will regret it and wast my money, that’s not often though. I also wait for sales and buy boxed sets as they are usually cheaper per disc. I use my Best Buy and Amazon credit card points too for movies so I save there. I was an early adopter with 4K so I was paying $30 a disc at first. But no more. Still the best and most likely last format.
4k was introduced to sell new tvs.. End of story..
Who is still buying DVD's? People outside America?
Why do people buy dvd’s . It’s not high def. Why does it still exist. It’s not maximizing the tv’s resolution. Drives me crazy.
4K’s have been amazing. I generally try and wait till Black Friday and buy 4k’s for 15 - 10$. I load the boat during this time .
I think you answered your question. People buy DVDs the same reason you wait until black Friday to load up on 4K discs. The cost, primarily. They have a DVD player that works and There's no reason to buy another player if the one they have works. All. Also that "fancy" blue ray player is more money.
Also, your average person probably doesn't see that much of a difference visually between any of the formats.
I still buy DVD's because basically every movie is available in that format. 4K is new and if I name 5 of my top movies, you will not get them in 4K
Because most people are poor.
It is interesting that a chunk of the population prefer to remain in the Dark Ages of standard definition, for lack of a better phrase. I'm still baffled that Americans continue to pay a handsome monthly fee to watch cable TV with all its commercials; those companies are making tons of money. I guess much of the population got used to ads when they grew up on network TV and it seemed "the norm". Now *that* drives me cuckoo, having the choice of scads of ads versus no interruptions via ad-free streaming apps, and choosing the former. But, to each his own.
It doesn't surprise me too much that folks still buy DVDs instead of better resolution media ... because I remember when DVD came along, and the hesitation on a big portion of consumers was surprising and lasted a while. They clung to their washed out and jumpy VHS tapes, lol. Took me a while to graduate to Digital Versatile Discs, frankly, back in the late 1990s. I still remember the first DVD movie I bought: Disney's Fantasia, from 1940. Maybe an artsy choice but there it is.
People have tv’s that they don’t even push to the max specs. Oh , I have a 4K tv awesome, but i only watch dvd content. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. But I guess it’s the same as people listening to MP3’s only through terrible ear buds. Come on people , quality matters.
What a waste of time. True cost...then he says he can't tell us. Like wtf was the point then? Just say it costs more which is obvious anyway.
Wow. Maybe you didn't make it past the first few minutes of this very, very long six minute video. I told you literally everything there is to know.