Green Berets Talk About Women In Special Operations | Inside the Team Room The Green Berets Ep. 6
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Jim West and the guys talk about women in the Special Operations community. Jim talks about not what he thinks, but what he knows. He explains it’s not a male or female thing, rather being able vs. unable. He goes into a story about what could happen if someone couldn’t do a pull up, or any of the physical aspects of the job, and the very real consequences.
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I am 68 now, Infantry, Airborne and SF. I remember one of the first female Infantry selection and training courses, out of 17 not one made it. Not because some of them didn't give it their all, and some did. But, while they are giving 115% just to maintain the average strain and pace of the young guys they burned themselves out.
I spoke with many of them and asked why they wanted to do this job, and the majority stated they didn't. The Trades they wanted were closed, but if they entered under this program, and didn't make it they would be re-mustered to the Trade they had originally wanted.
This was a Top down push, after a while it did work and some began to pass. However the standards changed. There was no more batch's of 15 at a time, but rather 2 or 3 at a time. Every few weeks we would be full of Media wanting to talk to the "girls". They would pull them of of Field Trg, showers hot meal, good nights sleep. Chat with the reporters, then back to the Field fully refreshed.
Are there some girls who may be able to do the job? I am sure there are some. However the cost of going through this just for the sake of doing so is not worth it.
Given today's politics in America, they will call you all kinds of negative names a man can ever get called
Look at these four men. I can’t think of any women that would be able to carry them. I am very strong and fit but, I know my limitations. If I can’t earn it without lowering the standards, I’m out. It would be an embarrassment. Having worked in traditional male fields all my life I can say there are some things best left to the men.
It's pretty simple, if a standard is set because that is determined what is needed to be combat effective, then the standard must be met regardless of gender. If that can't happen, then the debate should stop there.
Facts
Now talk about womens quotas in the firedepartment when most the public obese. Jaws of life 60 pounds. Multicar pile up on the freely and ur loved one bleeding inside and quota officer Tina sent to the rescue.
What an insult to our most elite soldiers to tell them, "We'll just get a woman to do your job." Some women are tough enough to beat a variety of men, but a tough man can beat any woman. There are many roles where women can contribute, but this is not one of them.
That’s a good quote, puts it into perspective
definitely agree with this, but for the VERY select few females who can fuck up most men in a variety of ways, they should absolutely be contributing in SF. what a waste for equally intelligent and physically capable humans to be thrown to the side because they have a vagina and tits
Martha raye was involved in the vietnam war era!
An honorary colonel in
The green berets!
LoL, man. Many women have gotten Ranger tabs, there are several in Ranger Regiment and so far, there’s been 2 who have “earned” long tabs. 1 in the 80’s, I believe and 1 recently. This is definitely an agenda.
@@chuckiepeoples They got the tabs because the brass lowered the standards in order to meet the ESG quota.
If a woman can't carry a 100kilo man on her back, while being able to fire the weapon, she don't belong in the army, period.
A normal sized man with pack, will weigh about 100 kilos. Personally, i think Bear Grylls "womens island survival" says it all.
I made it through to a fully qualified combat arms officer, leading a platoon.
But I freely admit even at my best I would never earn an SF badge, and certainly not the 75th patch. Not in a million years. So why are we kidding ourselves
Only changes that improve operational readiness and effectiveness should be allowed. Special ops is not a lab for social experiments.
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I’ll never be special forces, I’m tough as nails but I’m little and thin and starting to get too old. I don’t even think they would let me enlist. But… I’ve done a lot of tough things, if I was going into SF I wouldn’t want equal. I would want harder. I want to be better. I want to be tougher. I want to bleed more for it. Bc I want to know that when we step to the line my brothers are 100% confident that I can 1) carry my load, 2) get them home safe or die trying, 3) know my damn place within the cultural bounds and be able to lay down personal pride for the mission.
LoL, lady. You said, “load.”
@@chuckiepeoples if you have balls, use them right? 🤷🏻♀️
@@sarahrhoden1286 Shoot your shot, am I right?
"Hes gonna get out and go into politics" Now that is on point.
God help us,he wants to be a politician
@@sylviamaresca8852 suuuure, america is in good hands with the current government
If a woman decides to take a course like direct to special forces in the USA is it 18+ or something like and she passes all good luck to her and she would be a great asset, in undercover work in Northern Ireland and such similar operations a woman is a massive asset and really does help the presence of operation troops become much more normal and definitely the most natural thing
Transferred suitable women to a separate unit in NI !! They are in only the SRR & have been for many years 🇬🇧
for everything yall talked about women, would you ever accept a woman to give you orders out in the field knowing she got the position because of lower standers , would you feel or believe she was not qualified to be the leader of the group???
Spot on
My opinion on Women in SF, or front line combat in general is yes there are plenty of women who can do it but my question is simply why?
If a unit of all men is best suited, because of cohesion, or whatever, then stick with that.
There are enough men available to be SF soldiers.
This is not the place to pursue diversity targets.
the REAL female soldiers who desire to join SF aren't doing it for the sake of bringing in diversity quotas; throw gender out the fuckin window, if a female is fucking up most dudes during selections, she shouldn't be thrown to the side because of her vagina and tits, what a waste that is.
The solution, for women you can have a Special Forces group, structure, training and Q course can be designed for women only so we don’t bring SF down on the men’s side.
I’m a very tough woman and I’ve handled a lot (former wildlife firefighter) but, some aspects of the military are better left to all male cohorts. It took a long time and very hard work to earn the respect of my fellows but, when women are introduced, it weakens the dynamic. Not exactly the best strategy in combat operations.
I agree wholeheartedly. Especially the dangers of women in combat, the things that would happen to them if they were captured. They are not strong enough to handle what men do out there and what they are able to get away with.
Idk what types of women u were around, but the women I was raised around are equally as strong if not stronger than a man if they choose to be..
@@MalikShaunte I was talking physically, not that “Im a strong independent woman” stuff, 9/10 a man is overpowering a woman. Just keeping it a buck with you, if you dont agree then you’re lying to yourself. 👉🚪
@@shinjireference3568 Oh buddy. You have a fucking anime profile photo, get fucking shot at and live a hard lifestyle and have an understanding of putting others before yours own ego and needs before opening your mouth. A man being skinned, beaten, tortured, beheaded if desired by the enemy when captured isn't gonna be a picnic either. No one will "handle" that mentally, you just put what you can to tolerate it. What makes WARRIORS, men or women, is not their limits but their ability to PUSH their limits and live that as a lifestyle, far more than you. No one just lets females in, just like no one just lets men in. There's a standard - physically, skill wise, leadership wise, team dynamic wise, and men are held accountable to it in selection, in pre deployment training, and on deployment for their entire careers. Even that could be better. And it's the same for women. It doesn't matter what women in general are, but what the INDIVIDUAL proves they can be. The only thing that a man does to prove they belong there is going through those tests. It's no more a social experiment than when African Americans were allowed to be in the US military, then desegregation. People were saying the EXACT same things, how it disrupted the dynamic, but it doesn't matter if they can do the job and work with others and pass the standards. Lowering the standards is something we can all be against, and that aside military units as a whole are professional who'll put basic impulses aside for a greater mission at hand, better than weak civilians.
@@shinjireference3568 as a woman i agree with you, but for the women who are already qualified for SF that capturing scenario of yours is extremely arguable. hostage rescue exists for a reason, and the "what" that occurs during capture doesn't matter as long as they come out alive. that hypothetical situation doesn't support foundations for gender bias
@@minilin55 I think it does matter a lot actually. They could be a survivor, but a mentally defeated one, which could carry over to their peers. This is not a hypothetical situation, this happens in wars all the time. Hamas did diabolical shit to female IDF soldiers, and civilians alike. They arent just tortured and killed, they get shamed and paraded around and worse. Gender bias is irrelevant to actual facts.
It destroys the branch to let them join SOF. Let's face what these great men talking over a beer are really speaking about, SOF is the ultimate macho military thing to do. It doesn't look right for obvious reasons to see woman rocking a SF tab, green beret.
Part of the problem is that they were talking about your average female soldier who gets pregnant etc. And there were women who did that is a means of getting out of going to war. But women who would be serious about being a Navy seal or Green Beret would not be your average female soldier. Having said that, yes there are strength differences and she would end up being pretty much a unicorn- Incredibly strong, more so than your average woman, built like a Olympic gymnast with all upper body muscle but much taller height, and interested in going to war and killing people.
The bottom line is females don’t bring any advantage to the unit. None at all. Only liabilities. So, even if they can qualify, they shouldn’t take the place of a man.
There has never been nor will there EVER be a woman who can pass a SEAL standard school nor PJ CCT SOC. It's simply physically impossible. Get real!
@@AmericanWithTheTruth my man there has been
@@feargarden7845 there hasnt been unfortunately. Not yet. Its good that standards arent lowered, but there will be a woman who beats the odds and gets what she wants. If thats a trident, shed better be prepared to bust her ass more than the dudes, but its the mental game that counts way more than the physical.
Not really they did interviews with a few top fit woman who tried out for spec ops and failed they even said it's a bad idea
- Good luck to the all female unit
- it might go down as the companies hiring only women = going bust
They are talking about normal women. Are SF men normal men? No, to have the discipline to get there as a women I wouldn't jeopardize it for a guy or sex at that point.
You need more than discipline you need strength skill and be able to push humans boundaries the facts that men have naturally more strength explain why more men are in SF
@@KwameBadelle SF are SF not because of what they share in common with every single individual of their gender but because they are the 1% of the 1% of not people with higher limits, but with people with mental tenacity to PUSH their limits. It is 80% above the neck.
They can't get there fairly or squarely.
FACT: You blame the men, but the truth is that the women will play men off of each other because women absolutely exist for drama! Plus they'll end up pregnant. And what are they going to do when they have their time of the month and supplies can't get out there? And let's not forget about charging up that hill and women go down. Instead of continuing to charge up thr hill, our men will stop to help the women!
Common sense from warriors
Who's really the bad guy !
Hi, I’m a 21 year old woman and I’m training to become a US Navy SEAL. How should a woman prepare for BUD/S? How are women treated in BUD/S? Do you have any advice for preparation? I’m a civilian and I want to go enlisted.
According to what some BUD/S dropouts told me, one female SEAL candidate broke her legs in Basic Orientation (BO) which is the first two weeks of BUD/S, another female SEAL candidate broke her legs in BUD/S Prep and a third female SEAL candidate got rolled back in BO for stress fractures. None of them made it.
In November 2021, a woman made it to first phase of BUD/S for the first time in history but she quit on day one after the first hour.
It means your screwed mama if you make it you will be one of the most respected but during training at BUDS you will get it worst then a black man only because in the dark your noticeable to instructor's for example I pitch black during training even the instructors can't make out who's who but they can see the black man or a female and notice them because you stand out also seal teams r very sexist if u were a green beret you have a chance of squad selection as a seal they won't want u in the team ATM there is one I believe possibly two but I believe only one woman has ever become a seal and even tho she can say the words "I'm a navy seal" she has never been recruited to a actual team so it will be tough on you but you can do it and make it I want u fire rose to be the one that actually makes it on a team, once u join u have to have a tag name and (Fire) is not only a legendary one but its awesome you would just have to drop the rose as far as advice goes my advice is remember the ballad of a frogman by heart and make your own version of it
"Because ima asskicking frogbitch that's been scraping sand out of my pussy since hellweek ima hard chested double dee breasted" most woman would never say such things but u better if anything use those words I just typed and add to it because that is the only way...
@@RicoSuavae thanks! There’s never been a female SEAL. One woman graduated SWCC training recently, you’re probably talking about her
Females don't have the bone density to carry the weight of the ruck sacks. That's why leg breaks and fractures are the most common reason for the failure of females.
@@miketalley5476🎯🎯🎯
Don't bother.
Hm, interesting, I deleted my first comment, like this one too un a few days, but still I goota say, interesteing. 1st, Jim is with the wrong crowd here, and staying so polied hahhah. 2nd, ok ok dog will sniff your period. Ok. But dogsniffs everything, also one drop of sweat or even your fear... hmmm. Yes, I agree, women are a danger to their male collegues in real situations. But, wonen can be snipers, docs, cooks, drivers, pilots, nearly everything, but never as strong as a man, in terms of muscle strength, so thats actually the reason of all of these teachings, no? How to combat someone, even if you are smaller using technique and wisdom. Strange discussion here therefore. Still I like how these young men admire Jim and want to impress him. Nice job. I think it worked :) and although I dont know about the guy on Jim's left, he said something very very thoughtful and meaningful. And he is right. So the hood strong men, fight for the freedom of everyone else. But everyone else is ignorant and egoist and doing their thing. So are they fighting for in the end? Remember one thing, if it doesn't make sense, follow the money stream. Where does the money come from. Where does it go. Thank you for your passion. The revolution begins in your mind. True warriors. Pure hearts. Nation of sheep. Ruled by wolves, owned by pigs. THINK. Fight the good fight. Good is greater. We need strong men like you. ❤
I don't see a world where a woman can ruck the weight a man can. Regardless of her strength..
What I think they should do is let woman make their own platoon and go on their own operations. And keep it separate from the males. I’m serious, if females are soo bad ass then absolutely no reason the girls can’t make their own platoon and go do operations with a 12 man team. When I say man that’s interchangeable (man / wo-man both genders are men and man.
So confused, why are women seemed so incompetent?
Isreal army has only women platoons called the Caracles.They are pretty tough.
@@exbritishforcespatriotscha7723 I like how the dude shut up because he doesn't want to hear something that proves him wrong. HAHAHA
The short answer is “No.”
Im just offended seriously
Can we hear the positive side and compare for once 🤔
What is one positive side of a bitch in a ranger unit😊
What woman is gonna save a 220lb man in 100lbs of kit? Yeahhhhhh
Brother was an adventure racer a while back. Bit of a mysoginist. He was super impressed with some of the women. Quite a bit of mongrel in some of them.
What about a 120 man? Lol
What the heck is a 220 pound man doing in the military? What the heck is a soldier doing carrying 100 pounds of gear? Never mind the health problems that will occur later on.
@@1080sucks no I don't think so sir. Let me correct this. No woman can fireman carry a 200lb dude plus gear and also turn around and run a 6 min mile for several miles. PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE! No woman in history has EVER done anything like that even close. It's simply biology and chemistry of testerone and HGH.
@@nicolechambers1607
That doesn't actually matter, a man in general has 40% more muscle mass than a woman, THATS WHAT MATTERS, not the weight of the lifter, so even though a man may weigh a 120 pounds, they can still be very capable of picking up a 220 male colleague.
forget Jessica lunch guys, what about the Navajo gal with her that was killed? Jessica lynch came out and said the news lied about what happened to her and made it more grand than it was, the Navajo gal never got to say anything, she is dead. Women have no place on a battlefield. intelligence, etc behind the line's heck yeah cuz we are very smart but to say we can do what a man can do HOG WASH, we were made soft, loving, gentle soothing and everything that nurtures, if we were meant to do what a man can do we would have been made with the same body structures. i may have tried to climb a tree once or twice but never liked it, i can shoot a weapon probably better than a lot of men as i was one of the best on my shooting team, but that does not make me viable for an OP'S team lol that is insane. i can probably do research better than a lot of men but does that mean i belong leading a team of men into a combat zone? from behind the lines yeah, but with them? HELL NO. our country is so twisted these days it is going to be really sad should we ever be invaded, this will show what we are made of, many men will cower down as they believe they are women and many women will try to fight to no avail thinking they are men. not even God is going to help us.
Goodday. Let these woman do their own thing. Let them look after themselves,they so desperately want
to. Cobus🐳
The access and placement that a female operator has will drastically increase lethality, and further weaponize the Elite Special Operations Forces. Intersting episode, however, I believe it could be even more interesting if they would invite a few of their female SOF colleagues to join in on the discussion. I think it's great to "get it all out there" with an open table discussion, as it leads to some important topics, not to mention the potential for some mindset growth. Since 2016, Special Operations rates previously closed to females became "officially" open. So rather than talk about the threats of a woman's menstruation attracting predators and sharks (was he really serious with that comment?!?), but rather, can we not talk about how to successfully integrate? Wouldn't that be more beneficial and quite possibly lead to thinking "outside the box" in terms of becoming more lethal on the battle field? I think it's important to freely discuss topics such as the primal sexual tension between both heterosexual and homosexual teammates. I don't believe that sex between teammates will be mission failure, as this practice has been going on since the beginning of time. There are many other topics that would be great to add to the discussion, such as how the Operator's wife/husband react to integration (sadly this has usually lead to social alienation of the female operator, as she can only be a teammate from working hours or on deployments unless there is a very understanding spouse). Long term affects on the body; bone density measurements are a great way to start observing some quantifiable data in regards to the lifespan of a female operator vs male operator. Oh, and again in case you missed it the first time...the access and placement that a female operator has will drastically increase lethality, and further weaponize the Elite Special Operations Forces.
But how I was brought up and keep in mind I have 5 daughters and 1 son. I was brought up where females are the queens and males are the worker bees. They run the house and we do all the work because females are above doing yard work etc. that’s just the region I’m from. You are brought up females are superior and above doing dirty work. Like honeybees for example. The queen has all the male slaves that fight to the death for her.
I love how they actually say the truth of things. If man or women can't do something they can't. The distraction thing is whatever. If I was a women as a green beret I'm not getting involved with anyone but I'm not a guy crazy girl so idk that's me. And we can just take a depo shot and prevent a period too. This a actual good time. Alot of just opinion but still good. Being raised to do work and do better then the person next to me it's hard to stand down to something. I don't want to prove I can be SF because I'm a woman I want to do it to see if I can do it just like any other man that tries. As for different facilities times are changing and some colleges are co ed showers. New age and new rules can be set for women. Female marines have been in the field so thats out. Ppl just need to see if they can do the sh*t they bleed red too and shouldn't be looked down just cause their a girl. Their fighting harder then then some men to just be there.
There should be no special treatment but to be given a chance is different.
I don't think you quite understand. It is physiologically impossible for any woman to make it through say CCT/PJ or SEAL training. PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE! A female does not have the testoerone levels which fuel muscle density and recovery or a male, they have 20% less lung volume, completely different skeletal structure and bone density, not to mention muscle fiber density. There is not a woman anywhere that can lift a 200lb guy fireman carry him the length of a football field, turn around and run 6 min miles and then do 16 pull-ups, 8o situps, 75 push-ups (actual real push-ups) and then turn around and have the proper muscle fat rations to complete drown proofing. Women have on average 10% more body fat which effects their ability to ditch and dawn equipment and drown proof in water con excercises. PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE my friend. It's simply biology and biochemistry. Just as there isn't a woman in recorded history that can out bench press me at 205lbs. I'm a curreent world record contender for masters div 2 powerfifting at 200lbs. My bench PR is 510lbs raw. No woman EVER has even come close to that. Same with SEALS and SOC.
Just let men stay home and have a virtual ALL FEMALE fighting force and see how you do.. women generally can’t get along along to save their lives. Let alone be able to organize themselves into a combat unit. Feminist run their mouths but won’t put there money where it counts.
😂😂😂😂 you crack me up 🤣🤣 that's a joke right
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The disrespect is real 💀
These guys need to watch the fact based film Carve Her Name With Pride.
Otherwise chat to guys who served in 14 INT.
At the end of the day women don't belong in SF 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I know 2 women that could have played NFL AND GET IN. OUT OF THOSE 1 COULD MAKE OR COME CLOSE TO BE A NAVY SEAL. NOW LET ME EXPLAIN: I'M AT SCHOOL ON MILITARY BASE, THEY HAD COLLEGES ON BASE MORE THAN 5 DIFFERENT 1'S. NOW IVE BEEN IN SCHOOL FOR YRS. I'M ON MY LAST YR AND HAVE SEVERAL CLASSES WITH THIS WOMAN. I THOUGHT SHE WAS A MAN THE WHOLE TIME. SHE HAS SHOWED OFF AFTER HER WIN SHE WAS BRAGGING ABOUT BY LIFTING A FEMALE ABOVE HER HEAD SO EVERYONE WAS LIKE LIFT HER DIFFERENT ONE AND 1 MALE. THEY WERE BOTH AT LEAST 200LBS. SHE WAS A 6'2 BLACK FEMALE THAT HAD NO CHEST BY NATURE IT WAS EFFASED DUE TO WEIGHT LIFTING, SHE RAN 5+ MILES MANY TIMES A WEEK WORKED OUT WITH WEIGHTS COMPETING IN LOCAL WEIGHT LIFTING COMPETITION. YES SHE WAS BORN A BIOLOGICAL FEMALE. THIS BEING SAID I WOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT KNOWING SHE COULD CARRY A PACK AND CARRYING ME OUT OF DANGEROUS SITUATION.SHE DID ALSO HAVE A GIRLFRIEND BUT WAS VERY HAAPPY I HAD ALWAYS THOUGHT SHE WAS A DUDE. ALTHOUGH SHE WAS THE POLITEST DUDE WITH MANNERS I EVER KNEW. LOL. SHE'D MAKE THE TEAM OR COME DAM CLOSE. WE BECAME FRIENDS. SHE WASN'T ON HORMONES SHE WAS JUST BORN LIKE SHE WAS. WE TALKED BECAUSE I FOUND OUT BY STAYING OUT BATHRM WHEN SHE WENT IN FEMALES BTRM ON BASE. WHY U SAY? WELL I HAVE BAD PERIODS AND HAD NEVER KNOWN TILL LATER IVF THAT WANTED TO DO WHY. I HAVE A RARE BLOOD DISORDER WERE U CAN BLEED HEAVIER THAN NORMAL NO ITS NOT HEMOPHILIA SO MY PERIODS ARE QUITE HEAVY NOT WANTING TO HAVE TO CHANGE OR CLEAN UP IN FRONT OF DUDE I THOUGHT CAUSE CAN LOOK LIKE MURDER SEEN I WAITED. HELL IT DISTURBS OTHER WOMEN SOMETIMES. SHE SAID U COULD HAVE COME IN I SAID NO EXPLAINED SHE LAUGHED SAID RIGHT ON BUT IM A FEMALE BY BIRTH I UNDERSTAND THE PERIODS BUT NOW I DON'T GET PERIODS CAUSE I WORK OUT SO MUCH AM SO MANY MUSCLES THAT THEY ARE GONE THANK GOD. SHE UNDERSTOOD ME AND I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD HER.NEVER LIKED THEM PERIODS. THESE OTHER FEMALES ARE A JOKE TNEY JUST DOING IT FOR PROPS.
Nonsense. There's about a zero chance any women are qualified to play in the NFL.
I miss the good days when men were men and women were woman and tail hook was still fun and a group of men could have
common goals and vision of a mans idea of success
Besides that, he sounds like he had too much to drink
A woman who is in a good SWAT team could mopp the floor with any of these clowns.
I highly doubt that. SWAT? Really?. SWAT doesn't do a quarter of the training SF units do. I doubt many SWAT members can get through SERE training
@@rsims7373 SWAT faces far more danger than any special forces units. They are far more dangerous as well. A good 12 man SWAT team could easily defeat a Marine infantry battalion. If that doesn't prove that they are the best then I don't know what does.
@@apollothirteen9236 We are not talking about a standard marine infantry are we? We are talking about the highest level of military combat and selection training- special forces. Delta, MARSOC, Green Berets, Seals, Rangers.
@@rsims7373A 12 man SWAT team could easily destroy 240 Marine infantry or a 100 special forces.
@@apollothirteen9236 SWAT is trained to deal with crime and sometimes terrorists. Special Operations Forces are trained to fight in wars (at least against 200+ enemies if things go right)
Guys lets be real !
Who needs standarts when you can have "diversity".
What can go wrong??
Women can not do what a man can do! I have challenged so called "stud" women and all of them failed miserably, or admitted they couldn't do it from the get go! Can't believe operators are even considering it now!🪂
Women can not do what a man can do! I have challenged so called "stud" women and all of them failed miserably, or admitted they couldn't do it from the get go! Can't believe operators are even considering it now!🪂
Women can not do what a man can do! I have challenged so called "stud" women and all of them failed miserably, or admitted they couldn't do it from the get go! Can't believe operators are even considering it now!🪂