Buying A Cheap, High Mileage BMW Motorcycle Is It Shot or Not?
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2021
- @RyanF9 inspired this closer look into a motorcycle with well over 6 figures on the odometer to determine if it is Shot or Not? Should you spend you money on a bike with high mileage? We try to answer this question and have some fun along the way.
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I’m a motorcycle tech for a living. I rebuilt a transmission on a 2015 goldwing with a bit over 200k on her and re used the clutch plates because they essentially were looking still brand new. It’s 2022 and that bike is still going strong and has Just shy of 500k miles.
I’ve also worked on sport bikes with well over 100k miles. I still have a 2006 GSXR1000 which I bought new, ridden hard, and have 214k in her with the same clutch. Tires are another story lol
Cool Beans Nate! Thanks for the feedback. I did replace the clutch on this bike but no twisted splines, no worn out driveshaft just a thin clutch plate. I think, like anything else, if you take care of something, it will last! czcams.com/video/_oPZn_hFjGs/video.html
70k mi a year is a lot of riding! Gold Wing engines and trans just don't seem to wear out. My old 85 LE prefers to cruise at 90+mph, runs perfect with 117k mi.
The 06 GSXR1000 is an excellent bike. Not too surprised that they can rip forever!
@@RodRidesWrenches test road a 2007 K1200lt today with 112k miles. front end had more vibration then expected in the front end. It absorbed bumps like normal and steered fine. But didn't feel confident. Did some research on the front suspension idk what it could be. Any advice would be much appreciated
@@Russtherider116 The horizontal K1200 is a bit of a nightmare IMO. Chris Harris likes them czcams.com/users/BavarianBomberWrenchfeatured but I am not a fan of the horizontal 4cyl. The front end on those is just like the R motorcycles Telelever Type and they have bushings that mount to the frame and a ball-joint that mounts to the forks which have no springs. There is a monoshock that runs from the frame to the Telelever. Where was the vibration, all the time, high speed, braking, accelerating? Because these are big heavy bikes riders tend to overheat the brake rotors and warp them easily. Every old BMW I've owned needed rotors. My advice is to pass on the horizontal four and find a vertical 1200 or 1300 K bike or an R bike. I know the price looks good on the bike you rode, because they always are, but if you buy it be prepared to spend many a night with your shop manual and tools or have your cheque book ready because paying someone else to work on them is not cheap. Good Luck!
@@RodRidesWrenches thanks for the reply, I didn't consider the brakes and I plan on tearing it down and getting it back to formal glory. Love the videos.
Good maintenance is the key . I bought a Honda CB 500 in 99 , and put over 300,000 miles on it . The engine still ran good as new .
I fully agree on that. Service and usage all together of course is a major factor. Any engine can be ruined within month if it's to the limiter from cold starts, being limiter all the time etc.
My BMW 100/7 1977 had 500,000 miles on the original engine until some lady in a car 🚗 killed it.
Ryan is young. He’s smart, but he’s young. He’s not wrong in that most bikes, the vast majority in fact, will be shot. The key is finding those gems who were owned by crazy, maintenance obsessed owners. I got my 09 1200GS, 75k km bike from a guy who tracked everything. All maintenance done at a certified BMW dealer. It was incredible but they are out there. You just have to have patience. Youth is not known for their patience.
Excellent video Rod. You earned a sub.
Thanks for the view & the feedback!
@@RodRidesWrenches BMW R1100R owner here: I got 150,000 miles on mine. Original piston and rings...and it still runs strong.
Normal maintenance is all that's required. No requirement for obsession or craziness. It's simply the obligation of owning a motorcycle. Those who ignore servicing, and problems with their motorcycle shouldn't be riding. Neglected bikes aren't safe.
Why incredible? In Europe BMW bikers can afford dealer maintenance. And there are good workshops doing it great. And there are people who's bike you should never buy. The first kind of bike is more expensive secondhand, but those are NOT rare. Emigrate to a BMW Motorrad country, maybe?
I just bought a 1996 R1100 RT and I’m seriously impressed with the build quality of this, mine has a mere 74’000 miles. However, I used to live in Thailand where everyone rides bikes, not big ones usually but everyone rides a Honda 125 or equivalent. I can tell you that I have seen many a Honda 125 exceed 100,000 miles miles with maybe a couple of sets of rings along the way.. the kind of service that any roadside mechanic in Thailand will do for 20 dollars. The secret (ok it’s no secret) is to start with a well tried and tested engine design and the change the oil very frequently. Not rocket science right ?
74,000 is only just run in, they burn oil till they have done 60,000
These Asian countries stopped the bikers, who had a murderer on the back seat. Murderer shot somebody and they rode away faster than the police officers could, because the police rides mopeds. Instead of solving crime, they banned normal size bikes. Okay, it makes sense, but when you are used to normal bikes, it hurts.
@@voornaam3191Thailand has all size bikes .Not just 125 cc .The Honda Forza 300 cc is quite a common sight.
The Hall sensors themselves are very reliable. The issue lies with Bosch (supplier to BMW) using the wrong temperature rating wire (80c) on the cable between the plate and the interface plug. The insulation literally crumbles from the heat at the front of the engine where the plate is situated. Moisture during heavy rain will short the signal wires (spark and fuel pulse) and the engine will quit. Extremely baked ones will fail even in dry conditions.
In mid 2002 the insulation was upgraded to high temperature (200c).
A visual check of the cable will confirm old or new. Hard shiny jacket 6mm dia is the old style failure prone cable. They all eventually fail.
Soft loose dull jacket 12mm dia is the updated insulation. These units do not fail.
Original old style units can be rewired with Teflon high temperature wire and will last the lifetime of the bike.
My R1150GS has 375,000km on the clock. I rewired sensor at 80,000 km, it has run flawlessly since.
I have rewired dozens over the years and had no failures.
The cost to rewire is significantly less than purchasing new OE or Chinese knockoff.
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I too am a BC Westcoaster
I was about to say, we use HALL sensors over rheostats in radio control transmitters and they are preferred for their absolute mechanical reliablity, because there is nothing but bearings to wear out, and steel bearings that take no load on them and stay lubricated and never experience a catastrophic impact on them will never fail.
Am thinking bout buyig a 2004 R1150RT. 75k miles. Only thing holding me back is the HES. Owner says has not been replaced. Is this model year safe from the wiring meltdown you describe? Do all 2004s have the upgraded unfailing insulation? Your response wud be a big help. Thx
@@ikeeptime BMW switched to the updated sensor wiring in approx. late 2002. The '04 you are looking at will have the new style sensor assembly.
@@rc6392Thanks for the info.
I know im posting late on this subject but feel it's relevant info.
I bought a 1999 R1100RT 0n 9/7/17 with exactly 34,124 miles on it for $3ooo. I rode it home 450 miles. I immediately changed the stock brake lines and changed motor oil, gearboc oil, final drive oil, spark plugs, air and fuel filters. Valve adjustment and TB sync was also performed. At approximately 102,000 miles I changed the front brake rotors and obviously nstalled new pads. Besides routine maintenance I have NOT put another dollar into the bike. Current mileage on 1/8/22 is 108,221. The bike runs extremely well. Longest 1 day ride just over 650 miles. Getting ready to do a saddle sore 1000 in April 2022. If maintained properly, these bikes will get 300K miles without a hiccup.
My point is that it's not just mileage but the routine preventative maintenance and care by previous owner. New RT's range in price from the low $20'sK to high $20'sK. Just not looking forward to the clutch replacement somewhere down the road.
Thanks for the input Thurston! Here is the clutch replacement when you are ready czcams.com/video/_oPZn_hFjGs/video.html
@@RodRidesWrenches Hi Rod, thanks sir, I've already watched the 2 episode's. Very thorough. Love how clean you perform the work. I just don't want to take it to a shop when the time comes. Lack of trust i guess not to mention the cost. Too bad im in southern California and can't plead (😂) for your assistance/input. It's a daunting task but im technically capable of performing it. I'll just have to cross that bridge when the time comes.
It’s one of situations when both you and F9 are correct… it’s all about intended audience.
Ryan is making his videos targeted at beginning to intermediate riders that usually have a set budget to start riding.
You looking at that bike from a standpoint of someone with professionally equipped shop.
In of a typical F9 audience finding a “simple” $2500 maintenance item (that one of the above posters mentioned) on bike they just bought definitely makes that bike “shot”.
Myself I treat mileage on a bike just like a car… but with factor of 2-3 for big tourers and 5 on everything else.
Would I buy 200k Toyota Camry or 100k Gold Wing? Probably… if they checked out ok and the price was right.
Would I buy a 50k sport bike or 200k Dodge Neon? No.
I don't think there is any such thing as a 200K Dodge Neon. If you're talking miles at least. I haven't seen a Dodge Neon on the road for at least ten years. I think they must all be in the junk yards already.
Bought a 2000 R1150GS in 2014. Now has 160K - I upgrade something every year during storage, one year brake lines, another year fuel lines, last year rebuilt the ABS system, and the alternator. Liked your video and thanks for the heads up with the Hall sensor - I'll replace it this year and have a spare. Cheers
Thanks for the view & feedback!
Man. Every obscure bike I want to research .... your channel comes right up. For a tiny channel, you're doing an immense job. And CZcams is rewarding you for it !!
Thanks for all your positive feedback & energy!
@@RodRidesWrenches Any videos with K series BMW's ? How do they compare with your beautiful VFR's?
I had two second-hand BMW (R 80 RT, built 1986; R 1100 RT, built 1996) and drove both of them way past the 100.000 km. Both had issues on a regular basis. The R 1100 RT had a major issue at about 30.000 km, namely the glass where you check the oil level popped out at 200 km/h on the Autobahn, with, as a result, all oil lost within milliseconds and the right piston destroyed. Other issues were mostly due to wear and tear of different parts. But you could be sure, every year, there is something broken that would raise your maintenance bill way above 1.000 Euros. So, I'm sure these bikes can go above 200.000 km, and they ride really nicely and are generally reliable, but it's costly. Unless you can do the repairs yourself (which I cannot), you spend about the same amount on repairs per year as a new bike loses in value.
I have installed 4 hole injectors on my BMW R1100RT of 1998 and I can recommend all BMW owners to do the same. It makes a hell of difference at low revs in particular in cities etc. Engine runs much smoother at low revs and picks up speeds much better.
Great video. I have a 2011 R1200RT which runs like it did when it came off the showroom floor. The only issue I have is that it consumes oil. The local BMW dealer technician said that industry norm is 500ml of oil per 1000 miles. This seems high. I've looked at some forums that suggest that the horizontal cylinders will draw in oil particularly when the bike is on the side stand. Whenever possible I always use the center stand now which does seem to reduce the oil consumption.
For an old bike 500ml/2000 km is about the upper limit I'd say. For a daily driver I'd buy something newer at that oil consumption for sure, will save on gas as well. But you have to calculate your average mileage so you can figure out when getting a newer bike with higher insurance costs + higher buying price - better fuel consumption - better oil consumption is worth it. If you only drive on weekends old bikes are great hard to beat.
Love your video, and your sense of humor. Keep it up!
OK, Rod, I'm like you, I've been wrenching all my life.......except I'm 74. (Just a little testament to my ability to see the big picture.)
I appreciate the fact that you're putting a "high mileage" bike through its paces so you can demonstrate to your audience that OLD bikes (like old men) still have some value left in them, even after they've been "down the road" many a time and for much distance.
The thing is, as some other commenter pointed out, as altruistic and genuine as your shopping for a high-miler might have been....the fact that you "came up with" a BMW almost assuredly helped you "make your case". After all, when you use a bike that is the piece de resistance of the motorcycle world, it's sort of like doing a shoot-out between a 50 yr old Rolex vs a Timex. Or even a Seiko.
In addition to testing a high mileage "Sherman tank" of a bike, the looks of the cylinder heads (when you're doing your compression checks) give the impression that you've happened upon a specimen that was over-wintered in the previous owner's living room, or even BEDroom....and cleaned with a tooth brush and chamois after every ride. Based on the cosmetic (i.e. outside) appearance of the machine, I have no doubt that the other guy probably changed the oil every 3000 kliks. (One discrepancy I WILL mention: I found it almost unbelievable that the spark plugs you show on camera came out of said, same bike!)
Regardless, I call a gentle, friendly version of BS for your doing a high-miler overview on a bike, the cylinder heads of which were pristine enough to be used as serving dishes for a delicious presentation of fois gras.
I challenge you to find an old "dog" and show us if IT'S got some tricks left in it after 100K miles.
Hello Mike, I appreciate your comments, others have mentioned this same point. I honestly did not care what bike make/model it was when I set out on this video. Literally the BMW was the highest mileage bike I found for sale at that time, no BS. It could just as easily been a Goldwing but that would have gotten even more moaning and complaining... 😉 The video was just some good hearted poke and the fact remains that you can't just lump all motorcycles into a general statement referring to a 100K plus as shot. I am currently working on a new video with this bike where we literally teach it some new tricks, extending the life and versatility even further. As for other makes and models I am also in the process of restoring a 600cc Kawasaki sport bike that sat outside in the snow and rain for 15 years plus. I can tell you that despite my and everyone else's skepticism it is running stronger than ever this week after a $100 investment in some carb jets, spark plugs and a new sprag clutch. Thanks for the feedback and I hope you'll subscribe so you can see more of how these two bikes work out! czcams.com/video/W0MTZbtMgOw/video.html
Tbf that year of bmw RT’s finish was exceptional even by bmw standards the chrome and paint is very thick I’m amazed how well mine comes up even after 75 k (miles) clutch went at 73 k loved the way the Manuel says it’s not a question of removing the engine from the bike but removing the bike from the engine they are not wrong🤣
Great video. Loved your commentary. Good laughs, too, boot. I just picked up a 2002 lt, with 78,000 miles on it. Clean, it sat for a while, and it too needs some work on it, but my first few rides on it showed very little signs of fatigue. That being said, service, oil change, and some other things to make sure all is well should make the bike a little more comfortable and roadworthy. Good luck with your r1100rt , they're great bikes.
Cheers.
Good luck with your 1150! & Thanks for watching!
For most bikes, six figures is getting long in the tooth but there are exceptions to the rule such as BMWs, Goldwings. and Evo powered Harleys. As always this depends on the riding style and maintenance attitude of the dreaded previous owner. General indicaters of the bikes health are things like tire wear, brake pad thicknes, overall cleanliness and oil tighness, and my personal favorite, oil condition. If the bike starts willingly and makes no untoward clicks and such, and otherwise exibits no unruley habits on the road, you've probably got a good bike. While you're on the road test, find a traffic free zone and take your hands off the bars at speed. If the bike has unrepaired damage it will probably not track or turn properly.
On the center stand test wheel bearings by grabbing the wheel top and bottom and attempting to rock the wheel. Same with front forks and swing arm . Never take the owners word for the condition of the bike, not because they are being dishonest necessarily but because many owners are not as familiar as they might be about things mechanical. I have about 240,000 Km on a 2003 BMW GS and it runs and handles as well as a new bike. My best piece of advice about keeping your pride and joy in good order is to change the oil(s) regularly. Oil is cheap, mechanics are not.
Thanks New Video is out today! czcams.com/video/ZboWgG6R9J0/video.html
$ 20 a quart.
Great video! Its quite common to have cars with high mileage, but I think most bikes get dropped, crashed, or zero maintain by the time it hits the 5th owner to ever break say 70,000km. Touring bikes on the other hand have the opportunity to not get thrashed or dropped and make many cross Canada tours. I'm always looking for high mileage bikes that come up for sale low cost in the summer with people who end a roadtrip in Calgary and fly home (Quebec ontario etc.) Been eyeing a 1150RT Honda ST, Ryan is entertaining but I think went to school for marketing or something like that. I've seen him wrong on a lot of things, but the videos are mostly pretty good, should be considering its his job.
Thanks for the feedback & view! be sure to check out what happened when I put this bike to the Dyno! czcams.com/video/D0DbfHyxAX8/video.html
LOL, I dig your sense of humor, absolutely right on. I used to own the exact bike, a 2016, am thinking about buying a used 2014 model. I have ridden a dozen of model of bikes, BMW is the best for touring. Many states use the RT1200 model as their Police Interceptors. Thanks for the video, I look fwd to watching more from your channel, Semper Fi, John
Thanks for the feedback & view!
In fairness to disprove a bit of hyperbola you have chosen one of the most bulletproof bikes around. I'm sure that there are plenty on other less Germanic bikes that might need a lot more attention. Also interesting that the highest milage bike you could find was the BMW, guessing that many of the lesser marques never got that far. However it is interesting to see how relatively unscathed this bike is and testament to the BM's build quality.
Agree that BMW makes a fine bike but the oil-head was ridiculed by BMW enthusiasts for the better part of two decades for a lack of reliability when compared to the air-head. The second generation oil-head (R1200) was hailed as the technologically and reliability superior to the R1100/1150. This bike is also known for its own issues like the HAL sensor, throttle bodies and ABS system. Would it be fairer to compare the reliability of a BMW 3 Series and a Honda Civic? In reality, I was indiscriminate when I bought the R1100RT it just worked out this way when sorting my locals by mileage filter. I could just as easily wound up with a 200K or 300K Goldwing but I'm sure I would have been called out on that too. Thanks for the comments & Ride Safe!🏍
More in PT 2 czcams.com/video/-HlpXCWrG-c/video.html
Another great video! I always find it interesting that bikes are supposed to be used up at 100k-whether that’s a US bike in miles or a Canadian bike in kilometres.
This was a really good video and informative! Subscribed.
Hey Thank You! We are getting better...
Just stumbled on this and greetings from across the big pond.
Im going to sound smug here, but I have been looking for a 'project' bike for the summer. I haven't owned a bike since I was 17, im now 52 and no longer have a bike licence. However, due to a very popular tv series, SoA, my daughter who is 19 has fallen in love with two wheels transport. So! I bought a bike from a well known auction company here in the UK called Mathewson Classic Auctions. They even have their own TV series called Bangers and Cash!
I was looking for a BSA classic but they all went out of my price range.
What I did end up buying was a BMW R 850 R, 1995 year of make
Its recorded as having done 16k miles and I have had that verified
Quick change of fuel and a new battery and it fired up first touch
Watching your video, I now have no concerns keeping this low milage bike and attending to the very minor cosmetic issues it has, following a full service
Many thanks for your video, keep safe and God Bless
Revd Russ
Thanks New Video is out today! czcams.com/video/ZboWgG6R9J0/video.html
Thanks for sharing your experience. Great video mate.
hanks for the feedback & view!
CBR1100xx Super Blackbird. I know a few that have gone past 400k kms without ever having the head off. Still running strong. One super smooth durable engine!
I have a Moto Guzzi Eldorado from 1974 that I believe has done about 200 thousand miles. I shipped to to Europe from Australia and rode all over Europe and to the Guzzi factory in 2016 and could easily ride it around Australia. A guy in our club has a Moto Guzzi 750S that has done 500 thousand kilometres and I have watched him round up modern sports bikes on it many times.
83 honda nighthawk and a 85 kawasaki eliminator, are my two oldest. They are far from 6 figures, but both were thrashed, crashed and left outside in northern bc for literally decades.
The pride and joy i get from taking a piece of "garbage " and turning it into a beautiful machine again is immeasurable.
Currently looking for a crusty goldwing...no worries about kms. Japanese design is truly the highest standard 👏 👌
Thanks for the feedback, be sure to checkout the rest of the channel as there is a lot content around doing just that. Good luck on your Goldwing search!
@@RodRidesWrenches enjoying your content, I'm subbed
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I have a 2001 R1100RT in perfect condition with 118K miles .Personally, I find the R1100RT one of the most beautiful RTs of all years. I don't find the airheads particularly aesthetic tho many people do. Th R1100RT is perfect for me. Also, the upgraded bike, the R1150RT has a 6 speed transmission and seemed to have many problems in the first couple years. The previous owner of my bike kept impeccable records. I do some of the simple maintenance but leave brake bleed, valve timing and throttle body sync and other things to a local independent BMW mechanic who was factory trained on oilheads in the late 1990s. He's one of very few oilhead mechanics in California. I treasure him because I don't really want to do much mechanical work myself.
BMW changed the R11RT transmission design in 1999 and the last couple years are better than the earlier versions with less problems. Even still they still have, as some people call them, an agricultural feel and sound.
A common problem with the R11RT is the ABS low-voltage sensitivity. If the battery voltage is low, the ABS lights come on. If you ride for a bit and then restart, the lights will often go off on their own. You can hit the ABS momentary switch on the dash but the lights will come back on. I never really understood what that switch was for. I keep my bike on a Battery Tender Jr. and the ABS lights never come on.
The premiere I'net site for oilheads is www.bmwsporttouring.com/forum/16-oilheads/ and one of the premiere mechanics on CZcams is Chris Harris who's videos are excellent.
Thanks for hte review. 👍
BTW, it is not unusual to see R1100/1150 bikes outside my mechanics shop with 200K+ mileage on them.
Thanks for the feedback I have a new video with this bike that will be out very soon.
Love the casual what I am assuming st1300 in the back just Vibin
Dude, this video is golden. I do enjoy F9 AND I do enjoy how you wipe with that video on the floor. Is like video debate. I'd like if you too made something together, but arguing. Some king of old top gear.
Thanks for the Feedback! New video out later today 👍🏍
There is a big confusion and this is one of the things never really mentioned about the BMW bikes. Yes it's correct that most bikes are made for 100,000 miles but BMWs are actually built for 200,000 miles so most bikes are shot at 6 figures, BMWs runs run twice as far and that is part of why they're higher priced - and it's not just the name as most people think.
Excellent video, thank you. Funny thing a good 20 years back I saw a BMWRT1100 parked in Singapore it had 230000 km. It might even be running today🤠
Skookum...I would argue is one of the best descriptors of size, durability, vigor. You sir are a West Coaster indeed. Great video and I loved the challenge to Ryan's argument
Thank you, you're making me blush!
I've owned 8 motorcycles in my life including old Goldwings. The truth is most motorcycle may be actually shot by the time they reach 100K miles or a bit more. The exception would be, as I mentioned, Goldwing and equivalent bikes like touring BMWs, etc. But I take that statement as a warning meaning if you buy a bike with 100K miles on it, odds are you may find something wrong with it that will cost you a lot to fix it, if the issue can be fixed at all. All in all, I enjoyed your video and your expertise with motorcycles. I think it's always good to watch different opinions and make your own decision at the end. Thank you and keep making these great videos, please! 🙂
Calling out someone because they haven't responded to your comment is cringeworthy to me. You must be holding yourself really high. I am sure Ryan was talking in general terms and as someone who recently was shopping for motorcycle I too can confirm that MOST (not all but most) motorcycles after 100k km are to be avoided. Just because you were able to find a good maintained motorcycle with high mileage doesn't mean that all motorcycles with high mileage are well maintained.
Focus on quality content, not on calling out other people.
New to your channel. I enjoyed your video. Looking forward to finding the videos I'm sure I've missed on the BMW and the ST1300.
Thanks for the feedback & view, welcome to the channel, everything is on the channel home page!
Great video. I agree with you completly.
I have a 2001 BMW 1100RT. the 5-speed version with the old clutch/spline version that doesnt tend to strip the drive shaft. it has the (weird) ABS system on it and primitive K-Jetronic injection. I guess I'll pack a spare Hall sensor in there, as they really are a deal-breaker when they fail. Overall, the most comfortable bike I've ever owned.
Just got a 95 r1100r. What do I need?
Thanks for posting.
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The abs lights wig wag should go out ounce you are over 10km/h it’s part of the startup test. The jiggle of the front rotors is part of the floating discs. Forward to back rotation is not good and means worn out bobbins. From my research. Will you be getting bc collector plates for this bike? Thinking about doing it on my 2000 model.
Great video. Love it.
I've had 21 BMWs. 5 K bikes. 2 F bikes. 14 R bikes. In my opinion If normally maintained the clutch is the limiting factor in how long it will last and that depends mostly on the rider(s). One exception might the K1200 LT. A leaky rear main seal can drastically shorten the life of the clutch regardless of how it is ridden. Many of my Beemers had over 100k miles on the clock and ran well.
Thanks for the feedback & view! the flat four K bikes are one of my least favorite after owning a K100, it was awful. You may also like czcams.com/video/D0DbfHyxAX8/video.html
Correct. I loved my K1100 LT. One of the best that bmw has EVER produced. Better than the new RTs. The problem is that many BMW dealers now have a 10 year repair cut off policy, which means that if your bike is older, they will not support it. On top of that, the few dealers that will work on the older bikes want around $3,000 to change the clutch and leaking seals. The seals usually go out at 40 to 60,000 miles. The bike needs to be split in half. Independent shops either will not touch them or are incompetent. So BMW is leading the way in making otherwise serviceable motorcycles functionally obsolete.
No. If you got cluch problems, you must read the famous book of Bernd Spiegel. Many bikers do the gearshifting wrong. Do your bike a favour, learn it again. And your clutch will last longer.
@@beemrdon52 You really should come to Europe, to Germany is best. But Finland has great BMW dealers, too. So, emigrate from where they ask dollars, to Europe. Here you are not insulted, because you own a great old bike. Hell no.
My father's family is from Bavaria area. I'd love to go there and check it out.@@voornaam3191
I liked your video. I have that exact BMW. And I feel "Shot" is a relative term.
The 2,800 bucks I paid for the 98 BMW RT with 53,000 miles was just the start.
Clutch and shocks were around 2,500 bucks. (Some shops told me to piece it out)
If you want your butt and your wife to be happy add 850 bucks for a new seat and wind shield.
High beam switch 120 bucks. One year later the Windshield Switch goes out. They are on the same assembly piece!
On my trip to Boise the Alternator Belt breaks. Then in Boise the Rear break line leaks. around 200 bucks. (repaired myself)
New tires 400, Front Break lines 250 bucks.
On my trip west this year I find the rotors and dangerously worn in Grand Junction CO. U-Haul because a snow storm is coming 1,000 bucks. Rotors TBD.
So, now I'm way over 7,000 bucks into a bike that if I were lucky I could sell for around 3,500.
If a buyer has money for repairs and wants a great relationship with their mechanic. I say go for it.
If a buyer wants a worry free ride. Then the Bike was definitely "Shot".
Thanks for the feedback, liking & subscribing and a new video is coming this Friday!
Sometimes it's about luck but the most of the time is how long the intervals to maintenance. Even if the bike is not started will still need maintenance. This is what a lot of people fail to understand.
@@RodRidesWrenches That was a fun video, you have a new subscriber! Although Vancouver island has lots of BMW, probably because of the long empty highways, it would be cool to have a BMW riding group in the lower main & north van too...
53,000 miles is too early to replace a clutch, I own two oilheads 66k and 100k miles with original clutch also an R1200rt with 55k same thing.
You sound like a disgruntled new bike dealer trashing older bikes so people buy new. Most of the comments are on similar bikes and they're fine, or maybe you just picked a random bad one from a bad owner, they say guns don't kill people, same applies to bike owners.
Your personality is cool !! Very good video I had to subscribe :)
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Enjoyed the video. Imho, BMW riders, and touring riders, are generally unlikely to abuse/neglect their machines. I bought a new R80RT in 1983, put 220,000 kms on it before giving it to a friend. Bought a new R1200RT in 2007, has 184,000 kms on it now. Fuel pressure controller replaced under warranty, put on new Wilbers suspension at 140,000kms. Read about final drive bearing failures so replaced mine at 140,000 kms, naturally, after all that work, it was good. Ah well, it kept me occupied during the winters months. I do my own servicing follow the schedule, run synthetic throughout and I enjoy working on it.
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@@RodRidesWrenches Follow up note, bike now has 194K, compression test yesterday, R - 180 L- 190. So much for bikes being worn out at 100K.
In the late 1970's I bought a brand new R60/7.
I kept this bike for 3.5 years and did over 100,000 miles.
Other than normal servicing this bike was in good running order.
The clutch was no replaced.
I have a K1300S, 2012 model. I have owned this bike for about 10 years, I have done just under 140,000kms and I could get on it tomorrow and ride it right around Australia and if I serviced it, changed the tyres and the occasional battery, and do it again and again and again. My bike has the original clutch as well and it's perfect. I also have 13:1 compression on 3 of the cylinders and 12.9:1 on 1.
Bmw bikes are brilliant, I'm in the UK, have a 2011 f800st on over 100k miles, still doing 500 miles a week and returning 70+mpg, using no oil and not had any issues!
OMG I was just given an old BMW 1100 that has 145k miles on it. The previous owner died and this cool bike was passed around. No one wanted it because of the mileage. it is as clean as yours. I took it because it just was too nice a machine to see parted out. I haven’t ridden a motorcycle for 18 years and it was a little Honda 250. I wanted to make this a winter project and sell it but if it works out I might take riding lessons. What a great video, THANK YOU
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You Sir have a new sub. Proud '99 R1100r owner (only 12k miles).
Great video, you prove a really good point that Fortnine failed to mention.
Thanks! New Video Out Saturday👍
Those front floating discs- add an extra spring to every second bobbin.
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Very nice video!!! I som much wan't to buy a BMW R1150 RT!!! And you just proved that they are worth the money!!! Thanks 😊
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Had my 1996 R1100RT for 23yrs,had loads of other bikes but never sold the Bmw and now at 65 really appreciate the comfort more than ever.Still running like the day I bought it off my brother 23yrs ago.
Very informative thank you for your content. I have a 2003 R1150RT and its performance is still good....
If you were in the market for a bike rn and didnt own yours, you'd still get it, over any other bike ?
@@xchalibur77 most likely, but i may choose younger model.
Fascinating video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it, new video out this Saturday!
i have a 1999 BMW r1100rt with 126k miles on the clock, and it still runs absolutely fantastic.
They just keep rolling! Thanks for the feedback and view👍
Just bought a 1 owner 93 R1100Rs with 140,000k. I appreciate the highlights as this is my first Beemer. A well done video.
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My BMW 2004 R1150R has 140,000 miles on it, works fine. I have seen Goldwings with a full 500,000 miles on them, but those people don't turn or shift, they do transcontinental touring. I split lanes in San Francisco traffic, as an everyday vehicle, don't really try to race it, it's not a race bike. But I have driven it to Seattle six times, Yosemite the day I bought it. Freaking tank. A roommate had one with 250,000 miles, his only vehicle, commuting to SF daily. I can only assume at some point Ryan would limit his point to Japanese models (except the Goldwing)- or maybe more accurately that some BMW designs are ridiculously reliable and durable. I replaced my clutch at 100,000 miles, true, but this motorcycle has never broken down, I bought it with 40,000 miles about 7 years ago. Had the valves done last week, and new front fork seals. It's actually the cheapest bike I have ever bought, the best investment, despite being maybe $7K used, but all my Suzuki's and Yamaha's broke down, got towed, cost me money for repairs, and then died at 40,000 miles. This is common knowledge I thought.
I had a holiday in vancouver in sept 2018 we stayed near fort langley wish i could move there its amazing
I must have missed that video but I'm with you. I had an 05 Harley ultra classic with 87K on it when I sold it in 2010 and I still see it around town. And haven't even mentioned Honda.
I did the spline lube service on a K1100RS and an R1150GS. Both had 50K plus on them and clutches were well within spec. And these are dry type clutches.
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Great vid dude
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I would say his words are typically right. Some motorcycles such as big BMWs, Honda VFRs, Goldwings, etc. are exceptionally well built and will last into 6 digit mileages quite often and often without major mechanical servicing. However, most motorcycles will not last that long. I would be extremely hesitant to buy a smaller displacement Ninja with north of 100k miles, and I doubt I'll ever see a DRZ with 100k miles that hasn't been rebuilt at least several times. It's down to the type of bike and the owner. I expect a big BMW touring bike, made to be robust and cover long miles during every ride to last essentially forever. Something smaller or more high strung not so much.
UK Severn Freewheelers Blood Bikes have two (2017/2018) R1200RTs with with over 140.000 miles and they run very well still. The only item showing wear on both is the indicator switch. Original clutches still.
Great Review, I have a few BMW bikes, the oldest is a 1985 k100RT, has over 200,000km on it and still starts first go with no issues. My 1994 K1100LT is flawless, has 150,000kms on it, again, no problems with it and starts first go. It is not unheard of to get well over 300,000km on these bikes. I also have 2 R1200RT's but with a lot less km's, nonetheless, they are all great bikes and have no plans on parting with them anytime soon. Maybe Ryan needs to be more specific with his information and not just label all bikes in the same category. As you said with the clutch, it depends on the rider and the same goes with the other mechanics and regular maintenance, so it's just not apples for apples and pears for pears! Each bike and rider are unique.
Thanks for the feedback, that's quite a BMW stable of bikes.👍
Very nice video! I just bought a 2004 bmw k1200gt it had starter noise metal width metal I ruled it out to be the battery wasn’t putting 12v to give the starter enough rpm to spin
Thanks for the view & feedback! The electrical system is doesn't like low voltage for sure. Check out what happened when I put this bike on the Dyno Here czcams.com/video/D0DbfHyxAX8/video.html
Liebe Grüße aus Berlin. Nach 25 Jahren K1000RS und 60.000 km (ohne Probleme) machte ich eine Bike-Pause für 5 Jahre. Ich werde ein K1200 LT mit ca. 100.000 km kaufen. Dien Video macht mit viel Mut. Ich halte euch auf dem Laufenden.
Grüße aus Kanada. Ich habe eine K1000LT von 1987 besessen, dies war eines der schlechtesten Motorräder, die ich je besessen und gefahren habe. Wenn Sie eine K1200 oder K1300 der zweiten Generation finden, kaufen Sie sie bitte, sie sind erheblich verbessert und bieten viel mehr Leistung, eine bessere Federung und einen besseren Rahmen. Viel Glück und vielen Dank für die Ansicht und das Feedback!
Great video!!
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I know this post is over a year old, but I recently sold my 2002 R1150RT with 120,300 miles on the odometer. It ran solid and was an awesome bike only letting me down twice during that time. Once was in Atlanta in the rain when the dreaded Hall Effect Sensor went bad at 60,000 miles and the other when the fuel pump failed at 88,000 miles. Just like your bike, at 120,000 my boxer engine was holding 150 psi compression. I only sold my bike only because I purchased a 2018 RT just so I could upgrade to cruise control and better GPS and audio system. I oul not hesitate to ride any Beemer with over 100K miles on it provided it was regularly maintained. But to be truthful, the Japanese bikes hold up incredibly well too and I would ride them as well.
1998 R1100RT for me also. Last week passed 180.000km, spring I checked: No decrease in compression, completely clean magnetic oil plug. Second clutch and starter going, rear drive swing bearings coming loose (still not completely shot), will need a ticker killer on the right TB, oil pressure switch gone. That's it.
Some have run these into the 500.000km already. Doubt I'll live to do that :)
I have one of those from 2001 with 57 thousand km , but I've serviced one with 250 thousand, and it was in really good shape. That engine was made to last. Just have all the services on time and you'll have a bike for life. 👍
And be sure you bring it inside and sleep with it every night and it'll look just like the one in the video!
I bought about 100tkm's having zx9r as my first big bike. I was hesitant to buy so high clocked bike, but I didn't have much money, but I relied that as it was police civilian chase bike, I thought it was at least serviced well. Bike was all around scratched, but seemed to be ok. I disassembled and was expecting to change camshafts or something, but when I disassembled the bike I was astound to see absolutely everything in wear tolerance. Only slight valve clearance was needed I think I bought two shims to make it perfect. Painted the bike, overhauled brakes etc. and I ran it for about I think 40tkm's without issues and it was still going on when I sold it. Quite impressive for sports bike.
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Hi, just came across your channel, good stuff, surely the impact of the mileage this will depend on where it has been ridden? I see you guys in North America quoting massive miles for tyres, where as we struggle to get more than 5k kms for ours ... and that is across different bikes being ridden by old duffers!! But we do live in the Austrian Alps
Hi Simon, thanks for the feedback & the view! I think even more important of where is how the bike is used and maintained. 5-8000km's is about all one can expect from a good gripping tire. I tend to be on the lower side since the majority of my riding is on mountain roads. Be sure to check out the follow-up videos on this bike, including what happened when I put the bike on a Dyno to get more power! czcams.com/video/D0DbfHyxAX8/video.html
Yep those spark plugs look exactly like mine and miles on mine where almost 60k, was lucky and used some juice several times to get those out. I still wonder original or first service plugs come on.. now riding r1100s classic Black Beauty and r11.50 are only 9,000 MI.. love that torque🙏🙏
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I enjoyed your video, and hope you're still at work making more. I own in order of purchase a '98 R1200C, '95 K75, and an '03 R1150RS. I'm not a high mileage rider in terms of total miles, however, I have taken some high mileage rides. I remember riding my K75 to a BMW MC rally on the grounds of the Vanderbilt estate at Ashville, NC. The city manager of Ashville, NC approached the estate about the idea/possibility of allowing a BMW MC rally on the grounds and the entire staff shuttered in freight. He explained that BMW riders were peaceful, law abiding they would make money by having them there, and they would want them back. I had had my K75 a few months at the time. I stopped at a vendor's location noticed a K 75 by every description was exactly like mine, down to the color, my K 75 had almost exactly 30,000 mi. the other one had almost exactly 300,000 mi. they looked, sounded identical.
That's some great feedback and story! I hope you've subscribed, I have a masterpiece video featuring my R1100RT coming out Saturday the 29th and I hope you'll tune-in. 😃🏍
i have one too ! mine is model year 2000 .great bike .only few things like my front tire wears more on on side ,i need a right saddle bag and its becoming hard to find parts or maybe im not looking on the right places.
Ahola RODrigo, the wear in your tire is certainly due to worn or misaligned front suspension. It is hard to have one fork slide sit at improper height due to the fork brace but that is the obvious place to start and then look at the slide tube for bends, the BMW tubes are light since they don't do much other than connect the handlebar to the wheel. You may need to remove them to see them properly, they literally just slide out the top once the handlebar is out of the way. If these are correct then you could have worn trailing arm bearing on one side. Finally and maybe firstly the front wheel needs to be true. Have someone push down on the back of the bike on the center stand and with the front fender removed, spin the front wheel by hand. Look down the wheel for irregularities or wobble. Listen or feel for worn wheel bearings. Parts, I can find a lot of body & engine parts still on ebay and beemer boneyard. Good luck & thanks for the feedback! More videos on this bike coming soon...
Proper care is the issue. Harley Electriglide will see 100,000 miles either this fall or next spring. The 88ci still pures.....well, for a Harley pures. Starting to get some valve wear but nothing major. Other than tires and brake pads I had to replace the sensor for the cruise control and the CD player. Two up and hauling all our camping gear. Clean oil and keep from over revving and most motors will last.
I happen to have bought 4 of these in this year and last year combined (for friends and myself). So I've got 2 '98's and 2 1150RT's from '04. The 98's have less than 100k km's. The other 2 174k and 124k. So far apart from regular maintenance I can tell from the invoices (from the previous owner) that they have had regular oil pump changes and one of the '04 bikes had a faulty ABS pump (cost as much as the bike itself to get replaced, without working hours).
I know a guy that purchased a BMW K100 in 1984. He used it daily and over 15 years, put 325K miles on it - without a major overhaul or serious issues. It did need a replacement clutch along the way. But makes other than BMW may not be as reliable?
BTW - the ABS fault sounds like a tired battery when the voltage drops below 11.7V on start-up, a common fault.
I agree. I have a 110000 km Yamaha Fazer model 2003 which runs perfectly. Also a 190000 km model 2002 which was also used as track bike and is beaten up quite hardly. They both kick ass. Just change oil regularly. (And quite often consumables: pads, tires, chain, clutch plates, plastics...😵💫)
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Fazer 1000 engines are bullet proof
You bought a BMW for your test? BMW owners are known to both be obsessed with their bikes and have the money to properly maintain them. Go find a Suzuki SV650 with 100k mikes on it (if you can), one that spent most of its life in an apartment complex parking lot and not in a garage. My guess is that is the type of situation Ryan was speaking to.
Fun video btw!
As a fellow R owner, you have a new sub here!
Great to hear Richard, be sure to check out what happened when I put this bike on the Dyno czcams.com/video/D0DbfHyxAX8/video.html
@@RodRidesWrenches I see you’re here in Metro Vancouver- one day hope to be able to grab a coffee with you! Cheers
@@RichardT2112 Sounds good!
Six figures is a no go. Stay away is a great general rule.
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My old 69 R60US had 144,000 miles when I sold it! Still ran like a champ.
Thanks you gave me lots of confidenc to buy a 6-10 year old discontinued bike, instead of a less prety a lot more expensive new one. The internet indicats an awerage 50-70 k lifespam for a bike, but it seems the large 1K plus cc bikes last a lot longer that that,if keept well.
I got my motorcycle license in 1968 I did over 160,000 km on most of my Honda CB 750s.240,00km on a Suzuki GS1000 G all running great when I eventually sold them. I still ride a Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Classic and a 1999 Vulcan Drifter with 174,000 km on it, one thing I have iearned is if you change the oil and filter that is the main thing. I have never used motorcycle specific oil in my life because none of the owner manuals tell me to.
Apples and Oranges. Ryan was talking about a small displacement bike that was cheap when it was new, 30 or 40 years ago. The only way any 125 or 250 that old makes it to 100K miles ( not 100 km which is 62K miles) is with both meticulous care AND some serial rebuilding. shocks, chains, sprockets, head and swing arm and wheel bearings, cables, and a lot of other things will either be SHOT or replaced ( 1-4 times!). Clearly we can find a LOT of Big Multis and touring bikes for which 100K miles is maybe just a mid-life crisis of half worn everything that hasn't already been replaced. Trashing serviceable stuff... aint good. But an electric for 2 stroke swap... inspired.
I think it depends on the bike. I currently ride an FJR13 with 90k. It runs like it was only just run in. (Two other people in my club own FJRs & they have over 100k on theirs with no issues) my previous bike was a Triumph Sprint RS 955i with 60k. It ran ok. But, sounded like s bag of nails on tickover.
Ryan wants to support the industry and get you to buy a new motorcycle of course…along with all the $$$ accessories 😂
Victory motorcycles (even though they've been out of production since2017) regularly exceed six figures on the clock only needing consumables.
As far as clutches are concerned; the clutch on a BMW is major surgery.
I did mine on a '99 K1200RS, all because the rear main seal gave up, the disc itself had plenty left. I can do a Vic clutch in a couple hours. Same for H-D and most other marques.
Loved the K bike but will stick with my Vic. For the fun factor and ease of maintenance.
P.S. Been riding for just over 60 years and have ridden and worked on nearly every make.
Hi from Australia...
I own 2002, R1150R and just ticked over 200,000 km. Everything is running as when it was new. Replaced clutch at 198,000 km. These bikes just go and go !
That’s bloody awesome mate. Your maintenance schedule has all the box’s ticked I’m guessing!
@@ozziejim8472 I've serviced it myself. Engine oil change every 10,000km. Gearbox + final drive oil every 20,000km and that's all, Alternator belt every 40,000km. Usual stuff with spark plugs, air filter. Other issues I've had were mainly caused by me (Flat batteries, punctured tyres, broken mirrors, indicators, etc). Pretty good bike in my view.
Sent my 2007 R1200RT abs pump to some guy in Idaho who rebuilt it for $250. The brushes get stuck in the carriers and lose contact with the commutator. Known problem and BMW should have recalled it to fix. I think that ABS pump would brake the bank from the dealer.
Obviously having fun. As with cars, houses, tinker toys,...on average they are not taken care of well and get abused. Same with bikes. So you are both right. I sold my 17 yr old Busa with 70k miles in cross country ready state and looking good. For Ryan's statement, what percentage of old GSX1300Rs fit that description? I'll hazard the guess very small percentage.
I think those were 300k mile engines. The old pushrod airheads were good for 200k before you had to service the main bearings.
I smiled as I hit "Subscribe". How's the final drive on that BMW?
For what it's worth, my 1996 Moto Guzzi California 1100 has 102,000 miles or so on it (164,000 km for those who live in countries who haven't walked on the moon), and just keeps going. I am looking to dabble in a BMW, so will check out the rest of the series.
I have a new video on this bike coming very soon!
My Honda VTR has 106,000 miles on it. It's still got the original clutch in it. Most likely smaller bikes would wear out faster due to smaller components and less maintenance. Most importantly change the oil regularly.
I have a bmw r1150gs with just under 80k miles. Runs like new. They are incredible machines.
Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance...... keep clean and store indoors, use proper oil, change a bit sooner than manual specs, and most bikes will outlast you .....
If you ride it like you want it to last.....
You know what they say: if you can’t afford a new BMW, you definitely can’t afford a used one. Unless you can do all the labor yourself and get some used parts for little money, you’re gonna pay the BMW premium.
Great video. I have a 2012 bmw gsa with 173,000kms on the clock. I just returned from moa 50th rally in Virginia, riding from Edmonton Alberta. Other than some shit gas in ND my bike continues to run like a champ. I agree, could Ryan from Fort Nine be misguided??🇨🇦
I suppose in the end it all 'depends'. A large CC bike with lots of miles is less likely to be revved to its limits much compared to smaller CC bikes ridden close to its limiter just to maintain highway speeds.
Also just to say I found this channel by chance. I've always been intrigued with the older big touring machines and it is nice to see their maintenance and reliability issues covered after long use. Keep up with the good videos!
So if it were a 4 stroke-100cc trail bike that was ridden below say 3000RPM the same would be true? IMO a bike with a 11,500RPM redline should cruise all day at 5500-6000RPM while a bike with an 8500RPM redline would run the equivalent wear and tear in 3500-4000RPM. I think there is a general perception that the smaller the motor, the more work it does, the faster it wears out. BUT we have to take into consideration the workload, I've seen KLR650's with over 100,000km but typically the odometer breaks right around there when it rolls over so who knows how much mileage one can acquire if it was just ridden on road... The goal was to just grab a high mileage bike to test, if I could have found a 190,000K GSXR I would have bought it, probably cost a lot less... So I will be on the look out and see what I can find since you were not the first person to mention it. Thanks for Liking & Subscribing!