The Villages FL: Protect Your Home, Surge Protection in the Lightning Capital of the World-or is it?
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- Protect your home and Electronics with Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3 surge protection. Also, is Florida really the lightning capital of the world? Here I explain the three types of surge protectors and show you some examples.
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Chapters
00:00 Intro Lightning Surge Protection
00:55 Disclaimer Who am I
02:35 Is Florida The Lightning Capital
03:30 Sumter County Lightning
04:00 NOAA You hit by Lightning
04:32 Deaths by Lightning
05:02 Density of Lightning in Florida
05:30 Lightning Safety NOAA
06:35 Van Hit by Lightning
07:20 Are You Safe in Your Home?
07:51 Surge Protection in The Home
08:20 NEC Code Surge Protection
10:15 Type 1 Surge Protection
12:10 Type 2 Surge Protection
14:00 Who is installing my Type 2
14:40 How the Type 2 works with MOV
15:10 Why I chose The Vortexx Type 2
16:45 Type 3 Surge Protection Point of use
20:45 My Washer Dryer Protection
23:00 Outro the End Do your research!
Thank you Rusty for sharing so much information. I’ll be moving to The Villages in 6 months or less and find all your videos so resourceful. Have a great weekend…
Wow...Just around the corner. Have fun on your journey. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Enjoyed your video and great topic. Liked the extra animation. Can’t wait to get there.
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Hey Rusty - great topic and delivery. Loved the added flare with your camera work. Really appreciate the time you put in to educate others. Thanks!
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Informative video. I’ll have to learn more about lightening and voltage spike protection, and check with my insurance agent about what is it isn’t covered.
The images in your garage show some interesting storage shelving.
Since storage in the villagers is limited, maybe you can create a video on “garage storage” ideas, what can or can’t be stored in the attic, etc.
Thank you.
Thanks...I've thought about storage for a while but I'm still trying to throw things out from when I moved here. Guess I should have listened to my own advice and sold most of it. I'm still painfully laughing. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Omg I jumped in the introduction when the lightning struck! Thanks for another informative video! Good stuff!
The whole house circuit surge protectors are great protection, but they only protect against electrical line surges originating from the incoming power line itself. Protection and damages are only covered if the source of the surge originates from the outside electrical lines going into your home from the street. They should not be confused with whole house lighting protection (i.e. "A-1" ). If lightning hits your house, it can still traverse over your gas or electrical lines (most gas lines are in your attic!). Even a lighting protection system which is particularly good only works if the lightning is attracted to and strikes one of the multiple the lighting rod (s) installed. This is on average 6-7 per house and the same for bird cage, but dependent on size and structure of home. All lines should be installed professionally and follow the NFPA code. (fyi these systems they do NOT attract lighting contrary to urban legend)
Thanks for the info. I think I covered that in type one. But true for sure. But there will be nothing that will protect from a direct hit. Something I don't wish for anybody. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Wow. Lots of valuable information and suggestions. THANK YOU Rusty!
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Hi Rusty, Thanks for the great information, I already called Duke and added the surge protection to my house when I first moved to The Villages. You are looking good and hope you will have a wonderful week!
Thanks for watching. Just remember that will not add protection from within your home. That is what the type 2 and three are for plus adding an extra layer from outside surges. But you need to check your specific needs. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Great information. Thank you!
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I think you will find a split audience on whether or not surge protection helps protect against lightning. Good info for people to make their own choices. You may also want to cover hurricane and storm preparedness in the form of weather alert radios. I bought one when we first moved in and all it did was constantly blare warnings I didn't care about. This year I picked up a Midland WR400 that can be set for just local alerts and even the severity level of alerts you want to hear. However the alert volume is deafening and can't be turned down so that isn't fun to deal with. Maybe there are others with similar functions including smart phone apps.
In my mind surge protection DOES NOT protect against lightning strikes. A close hit or direct hit is going to cause some damage. Yes that radio is nice. here is the link if anybody wants to take a look. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Another great video Rusty! I am subscribed. Bell is clicked for all notifications but I never get them. 🤷♀️
Rusty, good video, I hope many people in the Villages watch it. But I'm not sure I would recommend the PSP Vortex surge protector because compared to the Siemens FS140 or the Eaton Ultra, I don't see how the components in the Vortex, eventhough it has the similar specs, can do what it's claiming it can do and I don't believe the gas discharge tube is going to make the difference. Modern MOVs are designed to hold-up to the constant surges you are talking about AND last 5 years or more depending on the product. Maybe PSP is using Alien technology? I'm going to look for some independent testing on the product. Also, as you mentioned, your viewers need to read the insurance coverage carefully. Each manufacture has different coverage and in most, your home insurance is Frist, then the surge protector company is second if their surge protector actually failed. As a final comment, the surge protector installed at the electric meter is only designed to shunt surges coming from the power utility. It's internal design is NOT the same as the Vortex, Eaton Ultra or the Siemens which are typically installed as Type-2 protectors. The surge protector installed at the meter is designed to reduce the magnitude of a surge so that the Type-2 and Type-3 protectors can handle the remainder of the surge if it's coming from the power utility, i.e. "layered design". It will not effectively protect your "whole house" from induced surges from lightning or surges from your appliances like the Type-2 protectors. This is a very common misconception. Thanks, John Reformato, Electrical Engineer in the Villages Lightning Study Group.
You said many of the same things I said in the video...ie I talk about layered as you do. You will have to talk to the engineers from places like Eaton as I did or a couple of their tech people. They started talking over my head. It helps the MOV last longer...that was the bottom like from their tech folks...they could be alien though...LOL. Here is a passage from their info. I can not say that the people that make the Vortexx (PSP) are lying or making things up as you said but I will be talking to them personally next week about my installation so I will ask them the question...They are the designers of many of their products.
This is the alien technology you are talking about I believe from Eaton...or the basic idea.
"Eaton Bussmann series of MOVGTs are radial leaded overvoltage protection devices that feature an integrated Metal Oxide Varistor (MOV) and Gas Discharge Tube (GDT) in series as a drop-in replacement to basic radial MOVs. They are available in disc sizes from 7 mm up to 20 mm and MCOV values from 70 to 600 V, suitable for Vac circuit voltages from 50 to 480 Vrms. The MOV & GDT combination provides higher surge current withstand and longer life vs traditional MOVs. This is accomplished by coordinating and arranging the MOV and GDT voltages such that the GDT isolates the MOV from small transients that are negligible to the overall system but can unnecessarily age the MOV. However, when subjected to large transients, the GDT activates and the MOV properly clamps the damaging voltage, providing the necessary protection."
Maybe Eaton has designed these as a marketing thing? ...you think? The problem is from my little research is that there are many other products starting to use this type of thing. Even some of the type 3 protectors I talk about in the video are using GDT. See the one image for the wall.
So I can just go by what they are talking about and what I have read. With regards to the Type 1 I believe I say this is designed for surges coming from the lines. So we agree on that one also.
Long article from Electronic Design. but here is a clip that I took out.
Series GDT Enhancement
Understanding the additional circuit-protection advantages, savvy designers will place a GDT in series with the MOV (Fig. 2). The GDT acts as a voltage-controlled switch that disconnects the MOV from the ac line until a significant surge event occurs. The GDT has the ability to switch on in less than a microsecond; the MOV will absorb the excess energy of the surge. Once the event has passed, the MOV will starve the GDT of current, thereby resetting it to its off state.
More info on GDT. I've got pages of it and seemed to make sense but like I said I'm not an engineer.
Specifying Bourns® Surge Protection Components for UL/IEC 62368-1 Compliance
ALTERNATIVES TO MOVs
Very few surge protection components can handle the high surge currents (several thousand
amps) that are typically experienced on AC mains lines. In addition to MOVs, another common
surge suppression component that can survive very high surge currents is the Gas Discharge
Tube (GDT).
GDTs achieve their impressive current handling ability by having an abrupt trigger voltage
at which they switch into a conducting state that functions almost as a short circuit. This is
sometimes referred to as a “crowbar” characteristic. Note that when a two-terminal surge
protection component is conducting, the instantaneous power dissipation in the component is:
Power Dissipation = (voltage across component) x (current passing through component)
So, unlike an MOV, the GDT tolerates large surge currents because, when triggered, the voltage
across it drops to a low value (approximately 10 V, often referred to as “arc voltage”). This keeps
the instantaneous power dissipation low. The result is that for the same surge current capability,
a GDT can be physically smaller than the corresponding MOV. For example, if an MOV clamps
the voltage to 900 V at 1000 A, it is dissipating 900 kW while a GDT, which only has 10 V drop,
dissipates only 10 kW.
I try to do my research....Rusty
Excellent explanation. Thanks for the clarification.
@@RustyNelson Rusty, thanks for the feedback. So, I didn't mean to imply that the guys at PSP were not telling the truth. I'm sure they are a good company and know what they are talking about in regards to their product. My concern was the amount and type of components PSP use in their device compared to the large number of MOVs, etc, in the Eaton and Siemens device. I'm going to do some research and see what the test reports say. If we were able to meet I was going to give you the information on the Meter Treater surge protector. As you may recall from our conversation, the Villages Lightning Study Group were invited to their facility several months ago and we had a day's tour and technical review of that product. With that surge protector, as you mentioned, the MOVs in their device are different in that they are designed to handle very large surges that typically come from the power lines vs whats typically in a Type-2 protector. So maybe PSP has some :"special" combination of MOVs that do the job for them. My guess is, as you are maybe implying, each company has their own "secret sauce" to meet the specs. I can tell you, regardless of what the specs and reviews say, I had the Eaton Ultra installed in my Town Home in Westchester N.Y. for several years and while my next door neighbor had several power surges over those years that damaged electrical devices in his home, I had no events. He eventually installed a protector and was fine after that. So, experiece with these devices from people who have them is what we want to see. When I moved to the Villages 2 1/2 years ago, I decided to use a protector that I had experience with and worked for me so I installed the Eaton Ultra. I also as an experiment installed point of use surge protection on my HVAC equipment and my Hot Tub. These are extra layers of protection in addition to everything we talked about. I'm sure at the end of the day, you probably can't go wrong with any of the major brands. What's most important is that people get the facts from video's like the one you made and from our Study Group presentations so they can make an informed decision as to install surge protection or not and how many layers and if they do want to go ahead, what are the reputable installers here in the Villages. Thanks John
I’m confused about your comment about risks in taking a shower during a lightening storms.
I could understand the risk in old homes with copper metal water pipes and cast iron drain pipes.
But homes today in the villages have PEX plastic water supply lines, and all plastic waste & drain lines (which don’t conduct electricity).
Please help me understand the risk you suggest.
Thanks for your all your video.
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Thanks for the info and reminders! Yes, I already asked my electric company to install a surge protector when they turn the power on to my new home. Well, the power is already on, but when they transfer it from the villages account to my account.
You are so welcome! My understanding is that newer homes (2023) in Florida should have some type of protection already...most likely type two but not sure what they are putting in. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Ok, thanks for the info…I’ll check it out!
Hi Rusty, Thanks for the informative video. I would like to hear what your thoughts are on a lightning suppression system (with lightening rods) - if they are worth the costs.
hello rusty . enjoy your videos and thanks for your hard work . when looking at home surge protection check on voltage produced by a lighting strike. where is the surge coming from?on the opposite side of the home than where the surge protector is located? lighting strikes or surges can travel down any metallic item in the home like metal studs, cat 6, electrical wiring, thermostat wiring, copper tubing, etc.
Great info, ,well covered. As a bit of a tech nerd myself, I'm wondering if you have looked at using a UPS instead of a surge protector for those more sensitive electronic items (computers/router/modem/tv)? I use them currently instead of a surge outlet strip. Any thoughts?
Thanks Rusty. That was very informative. I was not aware that the type 3 surge protectors go bad! I have had the same ones on my computer and TV for years! Guess I need to get some new ones! What about a car charger(Level 2)? Will the type 1 and 2 surge protectors protect that from surges or damage?
I would think you would want something between it and the panel or on the panel but I'm just guessing as all situations are different. Type 1 is from the lines coming into the house. Type two is from your panel. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Hi Rusty. Is it OK to use the whole house surge protection if appliances say don't plug in to a surge protector? Keep up the good work! Randy
Just a guess but now that the NEC requires whole house be installed on a build...I would think so. My unit just says not plugged into the surge protector. but that is my unit. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
Barking dog is the worse did you talk to your neighbor about it ?
Hey, Iwell the video is very good I will tell you the Duke Energy device sucks you can pull it off and replace it with one you buy and save that monthly fee. My sister got her house hit and it took out her refrig. Duke Energy won't pay a dime for the refrig. I have talk to people who also had issue with hits and Duke Energy did not pay. So my friend got a protable light alarm and when his game starts getting bad the alarm goes off he'll say game called due to lighting.
If you read the Duke Energy device protection contract, it specifically states they won't cover any device with an electronic chip or something to that effect, in it. That's because as we mentioned, that device is only designed to reduce the large surges that can come from your power lines so that your point of use protectors can handle the rest of the surge. Remember, layered system. The internal design and the MOVs in that protector are not the same as your Eaton, PSP, or Siemens Type-2 protectors which is why you really need both along with the point of use protectors.
Thanks John. Yes I reread the Duke notes on this before I did the video and you are 100% correct. It does not cover too much when you get down to it but it does add a layer of protection. thanks. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
I’ve heard and even seen a sign posted somewhere that some of the villages actually own one of the automatic external defibrillators. I don’t know how many villages own their own but I think it’s a pretty cool idea.
There are actually more than 100 AED in the villages, and more than 1,000 villagers are trained in using AED & doing CPR.
Trained users have an app to be notified when & where to respond until paramedics arrive. Some neighborhoods have some fund raising to purchase and install an AED in their village.
The district gov website has more info.
Thanks for that info. Very important!
Florida is the lightning Capital of North America.
Like I said in the video...depends on what you are talking about. Density...yes...most strikes...TX. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
thanks rusty, where do you play pickleball.
I play a bunch down in the Ezel area. Near my home. Guess I need to branch out. Subscribe Button for new videos: bit.ly/3aToJ3H
@@RustyNelson ok any particular days you play
@@RustyNelson I went there today to play, it was great play