Yes indeed Dr JP. Christ refused to use His power to accomplish His purposes. This discussion on Christ resisting temptation in the Wilderness brings to mind the other major temptation in Christ's life: the night He spent in the Garden of Gethsemene praying earnestly to the Father that the suffering He's about to endure (torture, crucifixion with the sins of the world laid upon Him) be taken from Him IF possible. He prayed so fervently that His sweat was like blood. The answer to His prayers was God affirming the necessity of Christ's substitutionary death. And so Jesus complied with God's will. He surrendered to it. I would propose that surrender to God is the antithesis of power. We no longer rely on our limited, fallible & fallen selves to guide us in life, He becomes sovereign of our lives
That is one of the most spiritual and greatest explanations of Christ Jesus, giving to Father God's will that I have ever heard!... I wonder if JP fully understood your explanation??..God bless you 🙏✝️
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True because he was courageous and willing to suffer and was humble and if you accept that you have all the power you need to control what you can control
Blessed are you child who in hardships and temptations does still turn thy face to God. Truly your reward will be great, may God be with you, and may God guide Thy will.
What if the people you are dealing with do not respond to logos, whether because they are not smart enough to comprehend or outright refuse to engage at that level? I agree that force should be a last resort, but not that it should never be a resort. Also, like Peterson said in other occasions, it is the threat presented by the potential to use force that often deters both parts and allows them to interact with logos.
This ties into the rather vicious rumor that Dr. Peterson is a pressure relief valve for Conservative Christians - to passivate any anger against the state of the world. Short CZcams clips never do a topic true justice, and perhaps when we speak of biblical terms, 10 hour lectures won't either. The idea that Christ was inherently passive and never violent is somewhere betwen laughable and dangerous to anyone who has read the new testament once.
More importantly, it was a temptation to get power without the suffering of the cross. Everything Satan offered Jesus was granted to Him when He conquered death; but, He had to suffer. Satan’s offer was a shortcut and would have undermined the true mission of restoring humanity.
God is a loving being, so he does not resort to power or domination over his creation in order to gain its love. I, too, would be suspicious of someone whom I used power or force against in order to coerce them into following me. I would give them a choice between me and something that they might be tempted to choose instead, as a test to determine whether the love is genuine. I think that goes for relationships as well. If someone is unwilling to love you when you give them respect and the freedom of choice, then their love is conditional.
It seems Dr Peterson is forgetting what happens between the Lenten Season (denying the temptations of Satan in the desert) and the Passion (Good Friday, the Roman soldiers tempting him). In Matthew 21:12-13, Christ drives out all who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers. This act itself is not only a major use of force, but also an act that is not commemorated explicitly as a day within Holy Week. I do not yet understand why.
Power is relative. What he is talking about here is Jesus’s refusal to use corrupting power. Very important distinction to make. Jesus used power all the time. The power of his voice and words, the power to heal and bring back the dead, or to drive away the money chargers. Context is very important here. Many people get trapped here because of their shallow way of thinking.
I've been offered the Faustian Bargain twice so far, and have turned it down twice. If it happens a third time I will turn it down again. It's something people think could never happen to them. I didn't think it could happen to me in a million years. But it did. It's real. During the pandemic I became so starved for company I started trying to convert a Haunting spirit (a demon pretending to be a poltergeist) to Christ. No occult rot, just talking and writing in my notebooks like I would between myself and any person. I ended up suffering horribly for it. And eventually Their "Dad" showed up.
So, if His life is the antithesis of power then I’d venture to say His life was all about humility. It was about doing the will of, rather than imposing my own will upon.
Actually it was a temptation for riches. Christ used His power to work miracles, He even used it in the garden to knock the men with Judas flat on their backs when He said who He was with the words “I am”. He also said all power in heaven and on earth were given to Him.
“For he [the magistrate, the government’s representative] is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Force of God keeps order.
We need to create a world where noone has much power over others. But again ideally not by force, not preventing people to have power, but raising children who understand where power can lead.
I'm finding this refusal to resort to necessary force contradictory to many, many other biblical passages where force is not only justified, it's celebrated. Should David had laid down in front of Goliath? Or is that just metaphorical? Ok, so what's metaphorical, and what's not? Awesome jacket, BTW.
There is only one Christ. He had one very specific mission, to redeem man and show how to live perfectly. But when He returns he will have a different mission and He will lay waste the landscape.
@@larrywuzhere3866 Believers have been saying that for 2000 years. Mark 13:30 predicts it within the lifetime (approx 60 years) of the apostles at the time. So, either Christ was wrong Or the story is a fabrication Or the bible is incorrect. Pick one. (Edit to add) When I was a believer, I used to use the "you're taking it out of context" or " you don't understand the metaphor" excuse when presented with this. Unless you have something unique, don't even bother.
Jesus was very happy to manifest power when he wanted. He turned water into wine. He produced fish and bread from thin air. He walked on water. He was certainly not demonstrating the antithesis of power in the bible. Control of power perhaps.
There is another point: God will not intervene but let the people suffer consequences of their actions, and the Divine has tremendous love and a greater spiritual power, so Christ ascends into heaven and he is an example of the Divine spiritual life which is greater than earthly power.
Very Good Dr. Peterson. Now be so kind as to define what the word satan means and where it came from. Words can negative consequences especially when they are used without accurate context.
It's Vulgar Display Of Power which ceased after Christ. That's why we don't see Angels or Demons and talk to God on the regular anymore. Jesus was the game changer He was our Flesh and Blood Teacher.
His ultimate power came from voluntary self-sacrifice. His power came about, just not from the easy shortcut that he was offered in the desert, not antithetical to what’s said in the clip but not quite fleshed out in 30 seconds
His main principle is allow agency. To let us make decisions...so that when we are judged .. judgement will be based on our choices. We will be who we chose to be. No one forced us to be anything. Satan's plan is force. So any government "law" that compels. Or forces us is of Satan, not Christ.
I invite you all to read the Quran with an Open Mind and Sincere Heart. God is One. He is Not a man. He Begets not nor was He Begotten. He does not require Rest or Slumber. God Cannot Die.
It’s not the Antithesis of Power really. Though Power is involved. It’s the perfection of Authority. It is the Sacrifice of one’s own Self Righteous aim, even if it’s appropriately attributed, for the sake of Love, and Faith, and Hope. Christ had every Authority to be Free. And that Authority gave him access to Power. And his Righteousness gave him the Right to cast the First Stone. Yet instead, he used his Authority, which is in this place Discretion over its use. And chose to follow the plan laid out. So not only he would gain us, and we him, but a House whose Cornerstone is Perfect. The block was straight, it’s inclusion did not make it more than it was. But it made the Foundation of a House was perfect. A Power and Authority distributed by its choice to include itself.
.....or Christ constantly displayed enormous power that those who watched just didn't understand what they were watching. Power was not to climb down off the cross, skulk away into someone's spare bedroom & lick his wounds. Power was to die, take on the devil in hell, resurrect, roll away the stone from the crypt, ascend and ask of the Holy Spirit to bless the disciples & be present in the World to accompany all humans from hence forth into eternity. Power is alchemy (changing.water into wine). Power is calming a violent storm. Power is feeding a large gathering with a few loaves & some fish. Power is giving the blind their sight, commanding cripples to walk & they do. Power is exorcism of multiple demons & drowning them so they don't enter someone else. Power is resurrecting a person who has been dead for several days. If you take all of those miracles & understand what it took to change the spiritual & atomic structure of material reality, there was absolutely no need to be tortured & crucified. He did it & so publicly simply so we would not forget His Power over material reality.
It was not the roman soldiers that told Him to come off the cross. They did mock Him however. Luke 23: 35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. 36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar. Mark 15: 29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, 30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross. 31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. 32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. Matt 27: 39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads, 40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, 42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. 43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Thats why Moses was banished from the promised land for hitting the rock instead of speaking to it. He messed up the Christology and his punishment was to be banished from the promised land.
Well then what of the second coming in revelations? Where ultimately, judgement, is God's answer to humanities willful ignorance towards the love that He had hitherto been so gracious to offer in spite of human disobedience. What exactly is Love's role? Cause it doesn't seem to be either to rectify the negative, or to facilitate positive spiritual development in others. The majority of humankind's response to God's love is rejection and hatred, according to biblical theology. I'd say this has been the crux of my struggle to believe
Sure ok. If I knew I was immortal, that I could reanimate after 3 days, and magically materialize food and wine from thin air, raise the dead, I might be tempted to remain harmless and not use my magical powers too. Laying waste is my Dads job
Power relates closely to influential mind control (often considered to be a mass mind influence of some description). Is this not what New Testament advocates insist on in relation to the scriptures pertaining to JC? If the power relates to the power of God sole, then can JC be given any other credence than as a messenger from and to God, including the message provided by way of the crucifixion? So, why then (is he) described as a messiah (or savior) and not simply an angel (or messenger)?
Christ's life is the antithesis of worldly power, because he maintains heavenly power. Human means of Power or Tyrannical Power, which is of the world, remains abhorrent to Jesus. He recognize the authority through God's gift to Moses in the Sanhedrin but warns his followers to avoid their same pitfalls. Finally, as revealed in Revelation, it shows that Christ will come back with Force later. He will baptize with fire as God baptized with water during the flood. Christ's life is a precursor to that later baptism of fire of which he brings. God created the firmament after the water, and he washed away life during the flood on the firmament by means of the water. John, the Baptist baptizes with water to harken back to the flood, Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit as a way to be sealed with the fire of the Holy Spirit before Christ's second coming. At the time of the second coming, this baptism of fire will come for all and those who were not and are not prepared by righteous life and Baptism of water will fall away.
True. But he used force as a last resort to save the Israelites many times. He just didnt lead with force and power . It was a last resort after much time
Yes, but the reason he didn't use force was because he was here to be a sacrifice. It would have defeated the purpose of he forcefully got out of it. God used force and destruction many times, but it was righteous and justified.
And if Christ did not offer his voice, his body, his life??? He told the truth and lay his life on the line for it... This is a force, but it is passive. Sitting in your living rooms and doing nothing isn't the same kind of passive force. (Though a cold beer on a hot day is pretty bloody nice in my country.) Look at... Jordan = Passive Force. Non-compliance = Passive Force. Strike action = Passive Force. Petitions = Passive Force. Public demonstration = Passive Force. God 'despises' a coward! Universal Sovereign Citizen
......christ is the son of god, he is power incarnet. He has no squabbles proving that point in the old testament. In the new testament, he prove his power by disarming himself. Its a paradox that ultimately disarms an opponent who is working on a logos foundation.
Love seems to be the opposite of force and so strong when driven from humility. When we are weak, he is strong. Blessings, Sir.
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Yes indeed Dr JP. Christ refused to use His power to accomplish His purposes.
This discussion on Christ resisting temptation in the Wilderness brings to mind the other major temptation in Christ's life: the night He spent in the Garden of Gethsemene praying earnestly to the Father that the suffering He's about to endure (torture, crucifixion with the sins of the world laid upon Him) be taken from Him IF possible. He prayed so fervently that His sweat was like blood. The answer to His prayers was God affirming the necessity of Christ's substitutionary death.
And so Jesus complied with God's will. He surrendered to it.
I would propose that surrender to God is the antithesis of power. We no longer rely on our limited, fallible & fallen selves to guide us in life, He becomes sovereign of our lives
That is one of the most spiritual and greatest explanations of Christ Jesus, giving to Father God's will that I have ever heard!... I wonder if JP fully understood your explanation??..God bless you 🙏✝️
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Christ's Life is the Antithesis of Force. Christ is power.
True because he was courageous and willing to suffer and was humble and if you accept that you have all the power you need to control what you can control
A quote attributed to Thomas Jefferson: "Power is not alluring to the pure mind".
My brothers are evil and tried to force me to fail, instead I refused to use power and left. Now I am homeless but with Christ.
Blessed are you child who in hardships and temptations does still turn thy face to God. Truly your reward will be great, may God be with you, and may God guide Thy will.
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He flipped tables and kicked the money sellers out of the church / temple / synagogue.
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Yes, that's not power for personal gain. Not even power in a conventional sense.
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No, but it's definitely a use of force.
Everyone forgets that part.
Antithesis of power but the standard of strength
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Yes, as Henri Nouwen called it, that's "the downward way of Christ"
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yet so many of our contemporary followers have such a high proclivity to power and force.
where is this from? what's the full video?
Brilliant! I'm going to use this enlightening fact when debating with a scoffer of Yeshua's purpose.
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He did use force against the moneylenders at the temple.
You missed it. You are not allowed to use force, "NO MATTER WHAT!
And? Not for personal gain.
Maybe a little force was used with the money changers…
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Those who seek power are those who suffer from the disease of #narcissism.
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That's essential that central so profound the way Peterson lays this out very much humility depleted just horrific agony going threw.
What if the people you are dealing with do not respond to logos, whether because they are not smart enough to comprehend or outright refuse to engage at that level?
I agree that force should be a last resort, but not that it should never be a resort. Also, like Peterson said in other occasions, it is the threat presented by the potential to use force that often deters both parts and allows them to interact with logos.
This ties into the rather vicious rumor that Dr. Peterson is a pressure relief valve for Conservative Christians - to passivate any anger against the state of the world. Short CZcams clips never do a topic true justice, and perhaps when we speak of biblical terms, 10 hour lectures won't either. The idea that Christ was inherently passive and never violent is somewhere betwen laughable and dangerous to anyone who has read the new testament once.
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You loose the moral argument if you resort to force.
@@clintonaugust1674 That is why it is a very last resort.
Well jesus used force in other areas for example when he reversed the tables over the Jewish sellers in the temple.
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More importantly, it was a temptation to get power without the suffering of the cross. Everything Satan offered Jesus was granted to Him when He conquered death; but, He had to suffer. Satan’s offer was a shortcut and would have undermined the true mission of restoring humanity.
God is a loving being, so he does not resort to power or domination over his creation in order to gain its love. I, too, would be suspicious of someone whom I used power or force against in order to coerce them into following me. I would give them a choice between me and something that they might be tempted to choose instead, as a test to determine whether the love is genuine. I think that goes for relationships as well. If someone is unwilling to love you when you give them respect and the freedom of choice, then their love is conditional.
It seems Dr Peterson is forgetting what happens between the Lenten Season (denying the temptations of Satan in the desert) and the Passion (Good Friday, the Roman soldiers tempting him). In Matthew 21:12-13, Christ drives out all who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers. This act itself is not only a major use of force, but also an act that is not commemorated explicitly as a day within Holy Week. I do not yet understand why.
This entire line of logic in this clip is inherently and dangerously flawed. If someone has the full video, please link below.
Power is relative. What he is talking about here is Jesus’s refusal to use corrupting power. Very important distinction to make. Jesus used power all the time. The power of his voice and words, the power to heal and bring back the dead, or to drive away the money chargers. Context is very important here.
Many people get trapped here because of their shallow way of thinking.
@@HakaiKaien "The constant refusal to use force no matter what" is very different from your claim
@@mayhemguitar07 the words force and power can mean very different things in different contexts. And this is taken out of context
I've been offered the Faustian Bargain twice so far, and have turned it down twice. If it happens a third time I will turn it down again.
It's something people think could never happen to them. I didn't think it could happen to me in a million years. But it did. It's real.
During the pandemic I became so starved for company I started trying to convert a Haunting spirit (a demon pretending to be a poltergeist) to Christ. No occult rot, just talking and writing in my notebooks like I would between myself and any person. I ended up suffering horribly for it. And eventually Their "Dad" showed up.
That was beautiful. And so true.
Brilliant
So, if His life is the antithesis of power then I’d venture to say His life was all about humility. It was about doing the will of, rather than imposing my own will upon.
And the antihesis to becoming as a child before God. Repent and live in Christ the Lord of Glory
No wonder Christ cried out to God our Father in surrender.
Actually it was a temptation for riches. Christ used His power to work miracles, He even used it in the garden to knock the men with Judas flat on their backs when He said who He was with the words “I am”. He also said all power in heaven and on earth were given to Him.
I’m catholic I got mass on sundays
We have 2 choices in life; Love and Fear. Jesus walked in Love and left Fear to starve, even as it nipped at his heels.
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Reminds me of "You have no enemies." I think it makes sense now.
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“For he [the magistrate, the government’s representative] is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Force of God keeps order.
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I like his insight. But it's hard to take that jacket seriously.
We need to create a world where noone has much power over others. But again ideally not by force, not preventing people to have power, but raising children who understand where power can lead.
The temptation was to inherit the kingdom without having to go to the cross...
Free will
Jesus has sword too
Christ's Life is the antithesis of abused power.
Given willingly without coercion.
I'm finding this refusal to resort to necessary force contradictory to many, many other biblical passages where force is not only justified, it's celebrated.
Should David had laid down in front of Goliath? Or is that just metaphorical? Ok, so what's metaphorical, and what's not?
Awesome jacket, BTW.
There is only one Christ. He had one very specific mission, to redeem man and show how to live perfectly. But when He returns he will have a different mission and He will lay waste the landscape.
@@larrywuzhere3866 Believers have been saying that for 2000 years. Mark 13:30 predicts it within the lifetime (approx 60 years) of the apostles at the time.
So, either Christ was wrong
Or the story is a fabrication
Or the bible is incorrect.
Pick one.
(Edit to add) When I was a believer, I used to use the "you're taking it out of context" or " you don't understand the metaphor" excuse when presented with this. Unless you have something unique, don't even bother.
@@scribbler60 The Bible says no one knows the day or the hour that the Rapture will take place, nor when Jesus will return
@@amandadavis6220 The bible also says that snakes & donkeys talk and that the earth was created in six days.
Jesus was a magical, immortal being, that’s easy for him to say.
I've got a temple incident involving a whip and some animals that needs explaining, then.
Jesus was very happy to manifest power when he wanted. He turned water into wine. He produced fish and bread from thin air. He walked on water.
He was certainly not demonstrating the antithesis of power in the bible. Control of power perhaps.
There is another point: God will not intervene but let the people suffer consequences of their actions, and the Divine has tremendous love and a greater spiritual power, so Christ ascends into heaven and he is an example of the Divine spiritual life which is greater than earthly power.
that would solve all worlds wars and problems. But "my kingdom isnt from this world"
Wu wei and it’s high place in Tao Te Ching might mean something closely to Jesus as described (essentially force by non-force)
His holy hands made a whip for misuse of the masters house.
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Very Good Dr. Peterson. Now be so kind as to define what the word satan means and where it came from. Words can negative consequences especially when they are used without accurate context.
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This is allvwell and good jordan what about jung
It's Vulgar Display Of Power which ceased after Christ. That's why we don't see Angels or Demons and talk to God on the regular anymore. Jesus was the game changer He was our Flesh and Blood Teacher.
Jesus ended up not only using power but using it more than Satan said..
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His ultimate power came from voluntary self-sacrifice. His power came about, just not from the easy shortcut that he was offered in the desert, not antithetical to what’s said in the clip but not quite fleshed out in 30 seconds
That thumbnail is something
Did Jesus not chase the Pharisees out of the temple using a whip?
though it was the most hideous jacket and then I looked more closely - definitely cool 👍
His main principle is allow agency. To let us make decisions...so that when we are judged .. judgement will be based on our choices. We will be who we chose to be. No one forced us to be anything. Satan's plan is force. So any government "law" that compels. Or forces us is of Satan, not Christ.
It wasn't "no matter what". He performed miracles.
Logos not force 🙏🙏🙏
That was His first coming. His second coming we’re promised some force. Not directed at his sheep though
Power only appeals to the weak.
I invite you all to read the Quran with an Open Mind and Sincere Heart.
God is One. He is Not a man.
He Begets not nor was He Begotten.
He does not require Rest or Slumber.
God Cannot Die.
So, would power and force be of the enemy? But doesn’t the enemy also use cunning to deceive?
It’s not the Antithesis of Power really. Though Power is involved. It’s the perfection of Authority. It is the Sacrifice of one’s own Self Righteous aim, even if it’s appropriately attributed, for the sake of Love, and Faith, and Hope. Christ had every Authority to be Free. And that Authority gave him access to Power. And his Righteousness gave him the Right to cast the First Stone. Yet instead, he used his Authority, which is in this place Discretion over its use. And chose to follow the plan laid out. So not only he would gain us, and we him, but a House whose Cornerstone is Perfect. The block was straight, it’s inclusion did not make it more than it was. But it made the Foundation of a House was perfect. A Power and Authority distributed by its choice to include itself.
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Christ constantly displayed enormous power that those who watched just didn't understand what they were watching.
Power was not to climb down off the cross, skulk away into someone's spare bedroom & lick his wounds.
Power was to die, take on the devil in hell, resurrect, roll away the stone from the crypt, ascend and ask of the Holy Spirit to bless the disciples & be present in the World to accompany all humans from hence forth into eternity.
Power is alchemy (changing.water into wine).
Power is calming a violent storm.
Power is feeding a large gathering with a few loaves & some fish.
Power is giving the blind their sight, commanding cripples to walk & they do.
Power is exorcism of multiple demons & drowning them so they don't enter someone else.
Power is resurrecting a person who has been dead for several days.
If you take all of those miracles & understand what it took to change the spiritual & atomic structure of material reality, there was absolutely no need to be tortured & crucified.
He did it & so publicly simply so we would not forget His Power over material reality.
I thought
1st temptation ; Stone into bread
2nd temptation; This world will be yours (power)
3rd temptation; testing God (jump from this building)
It was not the roman soldiers that told Him to come off the cross. They did mock Him however.
Luke 23: 35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar.
Mark 15: 29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,
30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Matt 27: 39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,
40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Thats why Moses was banished from the promised land for hitting the rock instead of speaking to it. He messed up the Christology and his punishment was to be banished from the promised land.
What happened with speak softly and carry a big stick am i missing something here?
Well then what of the second coming in revelations? Where ultimately, judgement, is God's answer to humanities willful ignorance towards the love that He had hitherto been so gracious to offer in spite of human disobedience.
What exactly is Love's role? Cause it doesn't seem to be either to rectify the negative, or to facilitate positive spiritual development in others. The majority of humankind's response to God's love is rejection and hatred, according to biblical theology. I'd say this has been the crux of my struggle to believe
Sure ok. If I knew I was immortal, that I could reanimate after 3 days, and magically materialize food and wine from thin air, raise the dead, I might be tempted to remain harmless and not use my magical powers too.
Laying waste is my Dads job
This prat stood for Israel
I even can’t hear what he saying because of his jacket…
The very opposite of the cult of mohamed
Power relates closely to influential mind control (often considered to be a mass mind influence of some description).
Is this not what New Testament advocates insist on in relation to the scriptures pertaining to JC?
If the power relates to the power of God sole, then can JC be given any other credence than as a messenger from and to God, including the message provided by way of the crucifixion?
So, why then (is he) described as a messiah (or savior) and not simply an angel (or messenger)?
Christ's life is the antithesis of worldly power, because he maintains heavenly power. Human means of Power or Tyrannical Power, which is of the world, remains abhorrent to Jesus. He recognize the authority through God's gift to Moses in the Sanhedrin but warns his followers to avoid their same pitfalls. Finally, as revealed in Revelation, it shows that Christ will come back with Force later. He will baptize with fire as God baptized with water during the flood. Christ's life is a precursor to that later baptism of fire of which he brings. God created the firmament after the water, and he washed away life during the flood on the firmament by means of the water. John, the Baptist baptizes with water to harken back to the flood, Christians are sealed with the Holy Spirit as a way to be sealed with the fire of the Holy Spirit before Christ's second coming. At the time of the second coming, this baptism of fire will come for all and those who were not and are not prepared by righteous life and Baptism of water will fall away.
Christ is King 👑
True. But he used force as a last resort to save the Israelites many times. He just didnt lead with force and power . It was a last resort after much time
When they try to destroy logocentrism all they end up with is the use of force?
Yes, but the reason he didn't use force was because he was here to be a sacrifice. It would have defeated the purpose of he forcefully got out of it. God used force and destruction many times, but it was righteous and justified.
Jesus refuse to use power to défend himself but when others are in a thread what he is gonna do?
And if Christ did not offer his voice, his body, his life???
He told the truth and lay his life on the line for it...
This is a force, but it is passive.
Sitting in your living rooms and doing nothing isn't the same kind of passive force.
(Though a cold beer on a hot day is pretty bloody nice in my country.)
Look at...
Jordan = Passive Force.
Non-compliance = Passive Force.
Strike action = Passive Force.
Petitions = Passive Force.
Public demonstration = Passive Force.
God 'despises' a coward!
Universal Sovereign Citizen
why is he wearing holy greek icons on his dinner jacket?
......christ is the son of god, he is power incarnet. He has no squabbles proving that point in the old testament. In the new testament, he prove his power by disarming himself. Its a paradox that ultimately disarms an opponent who is working on a logos foundation.