He gave the legendary champion Man O War his only ever loss. Kingston Rule, a dud of a horse, won the Melbourne cup in the quickest time that still stands to this day. Any horse can produce a winning performance dude eve Frankels pacemaker BT showed ability when he won a race. That's a big difference dude, Frankel simply ran on a much heavier track, Wise Dan was training for a turf race when it got changed to a synthetic track. Frankel never had to change from turf to synthetic, he never even
Wise Dan broke the track record set by Ventura in 2009, and did it under a hand ride by Velazquez the whole way. Who knows how much time Wise Dan could've shaved off of Ventura's record if Velazquez had really got after him and allowed him to open up the field by real daylight? This horse is a beast!!
people think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Spot on there Jim. Want another? how about Walter Swinburn? I’ll be accused of wearing rose-tinted glasses but I have Shergar at No 2. Like Frankel, he possessed great speed even though some dismiss him as a mile-and-a-half horse. My No 1 is US legend Secretariat. He broke three track records to win the 1973 US Triple Crown which, incredibly, all still stand today.
its game on due. wise dan is the boss. nobody told frankel to come out of his element to prove himself .frankel got the title as best horse in the world racing solely in England . why cant wise dan receive thwe same respect? he is amazing . ihave only seen four milers that would have given him a run for his money .lure ,Dubai mellinium, frankel and giant causeway.
Walto... I listen to the opinions of the people who know, Proper horsemen. Not a bitter Aussie eho clearly hates the fact that Frankel is so well revered. I cant be bothered for a long winded debate on this as its all been said before. Frankel retired unbeaten, His joint with Zenyatta in winning the most consecutive Gr1s ever, Was a champion at 2, 3 and 4. Holds the highest rating with 3 of the major ratings agencies (Timeform, BHA and the IFHA) Is clearly an all great, Possibly the greatest...
Hi, it's ZAvier ,what a horse, a pure champion, so regular, he is a seven y colt and maybe less good than one or two year ago not so impressive, but very, very efficiant and a so beautiful alezan horse , he make me think to Zilzal, Arazi and Giant's Causeway, he have the same step than Zilzal and Giant's Causeway very close to the grass, less tired like that. My dream is to see him , the best miler of the world in the world best race i mean the Queen Anne stakes in Ascot,he's not in the runners, but if his trainer want he could supplemente him and make him run and try that CHALElenge in the best race for the milers. Because i think the American and Canadians horses are very good but they don't take enough their luck in Europe and they should. I hope to see him in Europe for his last year all of competition, if it's not the case i ll go to see him in USA in the breeder's.
After all you were the one who said champions win no matter what right? Why does it have to be on turf? Can't Frankel win a race on synthetic or dirt? or is because he doesn't like travelling? lol or MAYBE because BT wouldn't be in the race? haha
Frankel never proved he was a highly versatile horse, Wise Dan has proving he is. Frankel won the majority of his races at 1600, when he stepped up to 2000 he faced a average field then in his last one he barely beat CDA on his terms with his pacemaker, so again how is going to beat WD on WD's terms with no proof ? Oh dude, if this was run on the actually turf track it was suppose to be run on , Dan would've romped Silver Max. Frankels SJP run didn't prove he was beatable?
His time of two minutes 24 seconds for the last leg - the mile-and-a-half Belmont Stakes - is also still the world record." See dude, people have different opinions, some people here think Frankel is the best in Australia and other countries, some think Black Caviar is in England. Opinions don't mean shit when it comes to racing or any sports. And how do you know that exactly Owlboy? do you have a crystal ball? And because he has shit form it means he couldn't win? how about Upset ?
Should Wise Dan have ran in the QE 2 2 weeks before the breeders cup mile, the result with Excelebration would have been turned around. Excel ran just 2 weeks before the mile and had to travel, he'd have beaten Wise Dan on home soil. Btw the last time Frankel met Excel, he beat him 11 lengths. Excelebration never got as close to Frankel as he did to Wise Dan, in 5 attempts. Frankel wins by 6 under a hold.
raced on synthetic or dirt so how would you know he'd overcome a track type switch? Yes, Wise Dan has won on Synthetic but the horse wasn't prepared for the synthetic track. People there wanted him scratched because he was uncomfortable on the track, I mean look at Carlton House over here. Wasn't feeling it and what he come, last ? In England, I agree that Frankel is the far superior horse but in America, on their tracks, I HIGHLY doubt Frankel would beat Wise Dan but then im stating my opinon.
Toronado beat Trade Storm by 9 lengths in the Sussex, Yes Wise Dan flogged him 8 here on the bridle in record time but it was a ridicuously weak field where conditions suited. Great horse but the comparison with Frankel is OTT, You could bring Frankel out of retirement now and he'd still hand Wise Dan his arse....
"Frankel starting to paddle" ring a bell? What would happen if would starting struggling like that on a synthetic track or dirt track in America? Uh-oh ! 14-1
Why is he no Frankel? hes on a 9 race winning streak. And he just ran a 1:31 3/5 mile, Frankel's best was 1:37 2/5. You shouldn't be considered a champion if you can't even run a mile in a 12 clip
and won the KG with a horse called Aggressor if im correct? And Walter was a Three-time Derby and Arc-winning jockey whose name is associated with the record-breaking 10-length 1981 Derby winner Shergar. His aloud to think his horse is better then Frankel. or is there a law against that? wheres this law that says you can't go against Frankel? HAHAHAHAHAHA, no no mate, Frankels had enough races on his terms. how about a mile in America on dirt or synthetic.
Let's get one thing straight. As good a performance as this was Wise Dan is at least a stone inferior of anything Frankel achieved. The form book doesn't lie. Wise Dan is a great champion but no Frankel. Simple really...
Haha yes because he loses a race when the horse was agitated and wasn't feeling comfortable going on synthetic when he was suppose to race on turf means he couldn't beat Frankel? LOL did Frankel ever race on synthetic when he was suppose to race on turf? better yet, did he ever race on anything beside cow paddocks? haha. ah well, props to Silver Max, pity WD would still hammer Frankel in America oh wait Frankel wouldn't show up he "hates" travelling, couldn't even got to the Arc LOL.
threatened by her obviously. and as soon as WD lost a race you came on trash talking him. sounds like you're the bitter one pal. Yeah they're great records but other horses have great records, not just Frankel. timeform as everyone knows isn't even worthy of being taking seriously. 1: Ribot can't even be rated higher then Sea Bird. 2: Black Caviar can't even be rated higher then Dayjur and 3: Farhh hadn't even won a G1 race when his rating was at what 128? lol give me a break dude.
@sedfrtfyh3737dfdcdut Nah you can't deny Frankel is a champion, he deserves to be called a champion but he is very much overhyped. Same shit you'll get dude is a pom stating their opinions. you can tell Sea the Stars ran a quicker time then Frankel in the juddmonte. Toronado ran a quicker time in the Sussex Stakes and Wise Dan ran a quicker time then Frankel overall, they'll just stat their opinions not the facts. I can see Frankel beating WD in England, But WD in America.
not a real comparison for history. Frankel is a classier horse and a top miler, he is better than Wise Dan. I also do not believe the rankings at all. I feel he is top 6 to 8 European turf champions because of undefeated 14 and 10 G1. His individual races tell me he would be beat by the rest of the top group? Really can not hypothetically match race him on dirt against the legends of American racing. I challenge anyone to describe the Belmont 1973 with Frankel in the race? concede he loses?
Excelebration ran a quicker mile time in the states last season than anything Frankel produced in his career and he couldn't even get Frankel out of 1st gear. Trying to state Wise Dan is a better racehorse because he ran quicker times in the states/Canada is moronic. He's at least a stone inferior to Frankel as the formbook showe. Nice try though...
His probably the 1600 meter horse I've seen but that's all in terms of the best at something. LOL ah I see another pom who is trying to say Secretariat was on the gear. Have any proof? come on, where's the proof? Excelebration was on Lasix in America and that's suitable? Who said anything about Zoffany? I said You go on about how good Frankel is yet he struggled big time in the race, you're just lucky it wasn't a 2000 meter race. wrong again wimp. Jimmy Rode BG and three Derby winners
Haha and you know everything right? same old shit Owl. Oh wow, you've stated an opinion by somebody, want a medal? But seeing how you're going on about an opinion, how about the opinions from Jimmy Lindley? I'm sure you know who he is quote "Frankel is as good as I’ve ever seen but I wouldn’t say he’s the best ever. My top horse is Ribot, winner of the Arc in 1955 and the Arc and King George a year later. Frankel is a great champion and, because he is winning by big distances,
The fact your comparing tracks on either side of the Atlantic shows me your a delinquent. Tracks are far stiffer in Europe, And track times aren't even comparable...
Walto you've shown your limited knowledge enough with the constant drivel you post. Nearly every jockey/trainer in Europe as declared Frankel as the best they have ever seen. In the words of the great Andre Fabre " I just watch him and think hes the best theres been " Wise Dan wouldnt have got Frankel off the bridle nevermind beat him. He lost to a horse here who'd only raced on AW twice before losing both times, The great horses overcome anything like Frankel woukd have just like he did on...
Wise Dan was simply awesome. He won this race with such ease. One of the greatest turf milers ever in North America.
He gave the legendary champion Man O War his only ever loss. Kingston Rule, a dud of a horse, won the Melbourne cup in the quickest time that still stands to this day.
Any horse can produce a winning performance dude eve Frankels pacemaker BT showed ability when he won a race.
That's a big difference dude, Frankel simply ran on a much heavier track, Wise Dan was training for a turf race when it got changed to a synthetic track. Frankel never had to change from turf to synthetic, he never even
Wise Dan broke the track record set by Ventura in 2009, and did it under a hand ride by Velazquez the whole way. Who knows how much time Wise Dan could've shaved off of Ventura's record if Velazquez had really got after him and allowed him to open up the field by real daylight? This horse is a beast!!
Go Dan!
people think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Spot on there Jim.
Want another? how about Walter Swinburn? I’ll be accused of wearing rose-tinted glasses but I have Shergar at No 2. Like Frankel, he possessed great speed even though some dismiss him as a mile-and-a-half horse. My No 1 is US legend Secretariat. He broke three track records to win the 1973 US Triple Crown which, incredibly, all still stand today.
its game on due. wise dan is the boss. nobody told frankel to come out of his element to prove himself .frankel got the title as best horse in the world racing solely in England . why cant wise dan receive thwe same respect? he is amazing . ihave only seen four milers that would have given him a run for his money .lure ,Dubai mellinium, frankel and giant causeway.
600K workout with a track record. Awesome!
The geatest turf miler ever.
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They went 22.2 in that second quarter
Walto... I listen to the opinions of the people who know, Proper horsemen. Not a bitter Aussie eho clearly hates the fact that Frankel is so well revered. I cant be bothered for a long winded debate on this as its all been said before. Frankel retired unbeaten, His joint with Zenyatta in winning the most consecutive Gr1s ever, Was a champion at 2, 3 and 4. Holds the highest rating with 3 of the major ratings agencies (Timeform, BHA and the IFHA) Is clearly an all great, Possibly the greatest...
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our champion does it again I cant wait for the breeders cup & euros to send their best against the 'DON'
Hi, it's ZAvier ,what a horse, a pure champion, so regular, he is a seven
y colt and maybe less good than one or two year ago
not so impressive, but very, very efficiant and a so beautiful alezan horse , he
make me think to Zilzal, Arazi and Giant's Causeway, he have the same step than Zilzal and Giant's Causeway very close to the grass, less tired like that.
My dream is to see him , the best miler of the world in the world best race
i mean the Queen Anne stakes in Ascot,he's not in the runners, but if his trainer
want he could supplemente him and make him run and try that CHALElenge in the best race for the milers. Because i think the American and Canadians horses are very good but they don't take enough their luck in Europe and they should.
I hope to see him in Europe for his last year all of competition, if it's not the
case i ll go to see him in USA in the breeder's.
After all you were the one who said champions win no matter what right? Why does it have to be on turf? Can't Frankel win a race on synthetic or dirt? or is because he doesn't like travelling? lol or MAYBE because BT wouldn't be in the race? haha
Frankel never proved he was a highly versatile horse, Wise Dan has proving he is.
Frankel won the majority of his races at 1600, when he stepped up to 2000 he faced a average field then in his last one he barely beat CDA on his terms with his pacemaker, so again how is going to beat WD on WD's terms with no proof ?
Oh dude, if this was run on the actually turf track it was suppose to be run on , Dan would've romped Silver Max.
Frankels SJP run didn't prove he was beatable?
His time of two minutes 24 seconds for the last leg - the mile-and-a-half Belmont Stakes - is also still the world record."
See dude, people have different opinions, some people here think Frankel is the best in Australia and other countries, some think Black Caviar is in England. Opinions don't mean shit when it comes to racing or any sports.
And how do you know that exactly Owlboy? do you have a crystal ball?
And because he has shit form it means he couldn't win? how about Upset ?
Should Wise Dan have ran in the QE 2 2 weeks before the breeders cup mile, the result with Excelebration would have been turned around. Excel ran just 2 weeks before the mile and had to travel, he'd have beaten Wise Dan on home soil. Btw the last time Frankel met Excel, he beat him 11 lengths. Excelebration never got as close to Frankel as he did to Wise Dan, in 5 attempts. Frankel wins by 6 under a hold.
raced on synthetic or dirt so how would you know he'd overcome a track type switch?
Yes, Wise Dan has won on Synthetic but the horse wasn't prepared for the synthetic track.
People there wanted him scratched because he was uncomfortable on the track, I mean look at Carlton House over here. Wasn't feeling it and what he come, last ?
In England, I agree that Frankel is the far superior horse but in America, on their tracks, I HIGHLY doubt Frankel would beat Wise Dan but then im stating my opinon.
Toronado beat Trade Storm by 9 lengths in the Sussex, Yes Wise Dan flogged him 8 here on the bridle in record time but it was a ridicuously weak field where conditions suited. Great horse but the comparison with Frankel is OTT, You could bring Frankel out of retirement now and he'd still hand Wise Dan his arse....
"Frankel starting to paddle" ring a bell?
What would happen if would starting struggling like that on a synthetic track or dirt track in America?
Uh-oh ! 14-1
Why is he no Frankel? hes on a 9 race winning streak. And he just ran a 1:31 3/5 mile, Frankel's best was 1:37 2/5. You shouldn't be considered a champion if you can't even run a mile in a 12 clip
and won the KG with a horse called Aggressor if im correct?
And Walter was a Three-time Derby and Arc-winning jockey whose name is associated with the record-breaking 10-length 1981 Derby winner Shergar.
His aloud to think his horse is better then Frankel. or is there a law against that? wheres this law that says you can't go against Frankel?
HAHAHAHAHAHA, no no mate, Frankels had enough races on his terms. how about a mile in America on dirt or synthetic.
Let's get one thing straight. As good a performance as this was Wise Dan is at least a stone inferior of anything Frankel achieved. The form book doesn't lie. Wise Dan is a great champion but no Frankel. Simple really...
Haha yes because he loses a race when the horse was agitated and wasn't feeling comfortable going on synthetic when he was suppose to race on turf means he couldn't beat Frankel?
LOL did Frankel ever race on synthetic when he was suppose to race on turf? better yet, did he ever race on anything beside cow paddocks? haha.
ah well, props to Silver Max, pity WD would still hammer Frankel in America oh wait Frankel wouldn't show up
he "hates" travelling, couldn't even got to the Arc LOL.
Deluded. As for Wise Dan on a sound surface Good to Firm over 8 furlongs Frankel wins by 5 lengths. Do the math
threatened by her obviously. and as soon as WD lost a race you came on trash talking him. sounds like you're the bitter one pal.
Yeah they're great records but other horses have great records, not just Frankel.
timeform as everyone knows isn't even worthy of being taking seriously. 1: Ribot can't even be rated higher then Sea Bird. 2: Black Caviar can't even be rated higher then Dayjur and 3: Farhh hadn't even won a G1 race when his rating was at what 128? lol give me a break dude.
Wise Dan beat Frankel??? LOL He cant even beat Silver Max in his own backyard nevermind an absolute machine like Frankel
He actually crushed Silver max on turf. Frankel never ran on synthetics. Didn't zoffany lose in the mile by 40 lengths?
@sedfrtfyh3737dfdcdut Nah you can't deny Frankel is a champion, he deserves to be called a champion but he is very much overhyped.
Same shit you'll get dude is a pom stating their opinions. you can tell Sea the Stars ran a quicker time then Frankel in the juddmonte. Toronado ran a quicker time in the Sussex Stakes and Wise Dan ran a quicker time then Frankel overall, they'll just stat their opinions not the facts.
I can see Frankel beating WD in England, But WD in America.
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not a real comparison for history. Frankel is a classier horse and a top miler, he is better than Wise Dan. I also do not believe the rankings at all. I feel he is top 6 to 8 European turf champions because of undefeated 14 and 10 G1. His individual races tell me he would be beat by the rest of the top group? Really can not hypothetically match race him on dirt against the legends of American racing. I challenge anyone to describe the Belmont 1973 with Frankel in the race? concede he loses?
+Howard Beck your a tool and don't know shit
+Howard Beck look at at the interior fraction. On a deep Woodbine turf course? Your a fucking moron
Excelebration ran a quicker mile time in the states last season than anything Frankel produced in his career and he couldn't even get Frankel out of 1st gear. Trying to state Wise Dan is a better racehorse because he ran quicker times in the states/Canada is moronic. He's at least a stone inferior to Frankel as the formbook showe. Nice try though...
His probably the 1600 meter horse I've seen but that's all in terms of the best at something.
LOL ah I see another pom who is trying to say Secretariat was on the gear. Have any proof? come on, where's the proof? Excelebration was on Lasix in America and that's suitable? Who said anything about Zoffany? I said You go on about how good Frankel is yet he struggled big time in the race, you're just lucky it wasn't a 2000 meter race.
wrong again wimp. Jimmy Rode BG and three Derby winners
Wise Dan should have won here but he didnt. Hes beatable, Frankel wasn't. Simple...
Haha and you know everything right? same old shit Owl.
Oh wow, you've stated an opinion by somebody, want a medal?
But seeing how you're going on about an opinion, how about the opinions from Jimmy Lindley? I'm sure you know who he is quote "Frankel is as good as I’ve ever seen but I wouldn’t say he’s the best ever. My top horse is Ribot, winner of the Arc in 1955 and the Arc and King George a year later. Frankel is a great champion and, because he is winning by big distances,
The fact your comparing tracks on either side of the Atlantic shows me your a delinquent. Tracks are far stiffer in Europe, And track times aren't even comparable...
The tracks create the margins in Europe as well. Winning by a length over firm ground is like winning by 5 on a euro track
Walto you've shown your limited knowledge enough with the constant drivel you post. Nearly every jockey/trainer in Europe as declared Frankel as the best they have ever seen. In the words of the great Andre Fabre " I just watch him and think hes the best theres been " Wise Dan wouldnt have got Frankel off the bridle nevermind beat him. He lost to a horse here who'd only raced on AW twice before losing both times, The great horses overcome anything like Frankel woukd have just like he did on...