Ep140 Yanmar Engine and Drive Position Alignment
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Dry fitting an engine can be a bit of a task but finding the correct position for the shaft can be another matter altogether. Fun and games this week and squeezing into tight spaces.
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You must work around some awesome folks. I absolutely love that from time to time, you have a mechanic, or John the joiner/ string line guy, or some other random from your industrial park that is willing to step over for a few minutes and lend a hand. Good stuff.
Still grinding through (I've watched the most recent two videos now, but also went back and started at the very beginning, and have made it this far). The audio quality, editing, etc. is all getting better (but honestly not why we're all watching). Love the can-do attitude, sense of humor, and some of the non-build stuff too. Looking forward to when your videos about life on the hulls are...on the water!
I went out and signed up on Patreon to through you a few bucks each month....well worth it! I encourage anyone else to do the same.
Mate you are an absolute legend.Thank you so much for your support,you can't imagine how much that means to Janet and I as we sink so much time into the videos.Thanks again and lots more to come.
Hey, congratulations to you and to your wife for the 25 years of sweat, dedication, growth and sale of your business to person a committed to go ahead with it. I wish all the best and the good to you both in this new chapter of your life. I know I'm a little bit late, but I wasn't been able to follow the channel since episode 116 and now I'm taking the pace hahaha. Cheers and good winds!
Great.Your sea kayak biz is in good hands. Now get this boat done a sail off into the sunset. You deserve it Ross
Holy dooly, as you might say in your parts. That's very exciting and I wish you and Janet (and Dane) all the success in the world. I'm sure it was a bigger wrench than you let on, after 25 years but all power to you Rossco!
A little bit emotional but good to see Dane going hard to start.He has moved here to take over,so massive change for him also.Ross
Cheers , we always set the engine and lined up the angle for the shaft and drilled a hole in the stern for the shaft tube and installed the shaft to line it all up and then drilled the engine beds down as not to have to redrill new mount holes . Just a thought but you bring back a lot of great memories building large Fiberglas boats here in the States
I have only drilled 2 holes per engine as I will do a secondary alignment with a bore site laser once they go in for good.Thanks for commenting good to see I am bringing back some memories.Cheers Buddy.Ross
Well done to you both, always good to sell on with hope of a continuing success and history.
Thanks so much.We are pleased to see someone buy it that us full of adventure passion.Cheers Ross
Grab yourself a pencil style laser pointer. Have a machine shop turn a mount to bolt on to the output shaft that holds the pointer. That will greatly help you with the alignment.
Roscoe this is great news for both you and Janet congratulations upon the sale of the sea kayaking business.
Just think that means not only have you more time for doing the boat build on your hands it also means Janet WILLBE looking to purchase the higher end items for the boat!!!. Well done guy's nice to know someone else is going to continue with the business you built up over 25 years 👏 👍. 💯% 👍🇬🇧
I reckon you are right Janet in charge of the expensive stuff.I am just the labourer.Ross
@@LifeOnTheHulls Roscoe mate that's just what we call... A happy married life !!!.
I know this because my wife told me so !!!
Congratulations on the milestone. Thanks for another great video. 🇨🇦
Thanks Bill.Great result and so happy to see it continue with the passion we have had for a truly world class adventure product.All the best Ross
Moving right along ! Great jig for finding center too. This whole crazy year, despite the "Plandemic", has been full of milestones - so CONGRATULATIONS ! and thank you, Ross
Thanks so much.Very wierd and unusual year.I guess we all just need to make good decisions.Hard to judge which way to go.Cheers and have a nice weekend.Ross
Congratulations! Glad you’ve found a good home for what must have been a real labour of love. I’m sure that deck mould will suck in any and all time that gets freed up though!
Indeed Dave.I have already seen my time disappear in my other business and the cat goes on as usual.Ross.
You should mount a laser pointer to the flange projecting aft, and then rotate it to give reference aft to the bulkhead. Maybe too late at this point. The arc would give a perfect center
Actually did reference with a laser as well,from both ends yielded the sam result.Cheers.Laser was a pain the arse to mount in that tight space.Thought about having a laser mounted to threaded rod screwed into flange also.Cheers mate.Ross
This is an easy exercise if you approach it the correct way. Work from your fixed point first. What diameter prop? This determines where the shaft must be located vertically. Is there a thrust angle plus or minus from the centerline of the hull? In this case no. Transmission flange angle? 7 Degrees.
Drill a pilot hole with a 1/8 to 1/4" long bit at the 7 degree angle from the outside into the engine bay. Aadjust laterally to intersect the centerline on the inside and increase size to fit the bushing tube. If you wedge a laser pointer inside the tube and rotate the tube it will do a perfect circle around the shaft axis.
The prop determines the engine placement. not the other way around.
Onwards and upwards for both of you and Dane with the kayak business. Great job on the the engines and as jonnie said "no wucking forries"
Hi Ross to get a perfect shaft alignment install the prop shaft coupling direct to the gearbox (leave out the flex disc) install the stern tube and skeg bushes if it has then tack them in place with epoxy mix. after glassing just slide in the coupling
Russell Palmer I used to fit engines into boats. I always built an exact wooden frame of the engine with two holes, one exactly centred on where the drive shaft should exit the engine and another exactly at the other end of the engine. This frame was made to the supplied engineers drawings. Placing the frame onto the mounts I could then line up the two holes and mark and drill the hull exit holes. It also helped with lining up 'p' brackets. Took ages to make the frames accurately (every engine seemed to be different) but it only took minutes to do the final work.
Absolutely LOVE my FIX of "Life on the hulls". When you launch I'll bring my 29 foot "land yacht" to the occasion. All the way from Townsville.
Ross I have been watching Expedition Evans recently, a couple who have purchased a damaged /salvaged 2008 Beneteau 49. Boy have they got some work on their hull to fix, the grid has parted from the hull. Reckon they would love your fibreglass skills!!!! But its great to watch you guys on CZcams building and fixing boats.
I had exactly the same thoughts re the fiberglass expertise.
I hope the Evans's have a good engineer as the fiberglassing is the least of their problems. I believe that much movement of the liner may have caused delamination in the hull at the upper edges of the liners ribs over and above the rear area of the keel/hull.
You got it Johnny keep an eye on that Ross ,😂🕴🏻good video 👍🇬🇧😎
Man keep it up awesome boat your building and the detail man ur insane
Cheers Ryan.Good man.
Ross, Don't worry about lack of cat build content. You need to take breaks or you'll get burned out. Take the time you need. We'll be here when you continue. Now let me get back to the video.
Thanks buddy.So much going this year.Struggling to remember what happened last week.Have s great weekend.Ross
Congratulations guys, I am delighted for you. 🤘
Cheers Andrew.Appreciate your comment.Ross
Another great jig to find the exact through point for the shafts. And congrats on passing on part of the legacy you both have worked all these years to build. Good stuff! 👍👍
Must be a strange feeling, selling something you built up from scratch. But its another step, i hope you enjoy the extra time you now have, on the build and on living 😁✋
Congratulations on the sale. Look forward to more of your videos.
Congrats on the sale and 25years.
Thanks buddy
Another great video as usual Rossco. Congratulations to the both of you on your sale of the business. Onwards and upwards from now ey.
Good to see someone else using the old Telecom rope on their endeavours. That stuff pops up everywhere ey.
Cheers
Pete
Thanks Pete.telstra rope is the most versatile rope of all Cheers Mate.Ross
Selling off into the sunset!!
That is the ultimate plan.Still have my other business to concentrate on but gradually minimising our load.Cheers Ross.
Congrats on the business sale Ross. I know how that feels we sold ours in 2016...
Hi Ross just a little tip when you put coach bolts in hardwood put a little soap or candle wax on the thread! It makes it easy to put in and remove. Great work mate can’t wait for more videos.👌
You should try rotating the flange, with the jig attached, or laser as suggested by Wasamatau. If you rotate it and the jig is not perfectly perpendicular in both planes, then the body will describe a cone, and tip a circle on the exit bulkhead. Small circle the jig is near perfect, a big circle the jig is not so good. But in either case a good check of the jig, and proved or improved accuracy of the exit point.
How satisfying is that headache, now gone. You can roll on with the engine bays and bed. Great news on the business sale. I bet you’ll still be involved for awhile mentoring the you fella.
Congratulations
Cheers David, very happy after such a long run of great business. Rossco
Congratulations on selling the business.
You are so lucky, you get to do everything twice and thus become proficient at it. I built a mono hull so one prop alignment only
Looks like you do a killer job of editing to me love the presentation and you are easy to understand you got a unique mind. Peace brother. Be safe out there. 👏 👏 👍
Cheers Ross another great video and best of luck to the new dude that's bought your business 🥃👍
Cheers Ross, congrats on the sale of the touring business. Once these motors are in, the rest is gonna be a breeze.
You're doing it man!!! so excited for you.
Thanks Rosi just got my t-shirt life on the hulls
That is awesome Cliff.Thank you buddy.Please send me a photo of you sporting it around the traps Love ya mate,stay safe.
Now you have space to build another boat !!! :P
Congrats on the sale, sounds like it's gone to a good home. Rather you than me on the prop shaft alignment seems to have gone pretty well though.
Went well.The laser confirmed position but was tricky but will have a secondary alignment on final fitments.Ross
Congratulations to you both!
Hey Ross cheers thanks
Awesome stuff!
I'm stoked for all involved.
Congrats!
Thanks guys.Love watching your prrgress Those panels were certainly a challenge.I would have copper wired them and stitched them to keep together.love your work.Cheers Ross and Janet.
@@LifeOnTheHulls Thanks Ross. I've been following your work for quite a while now. Lots of inspiration and good tips for me. Hope you won't miss the kayaking too much. I love both of mine, but I rarely get a chance to go paddling 🛶.
Congrats again, and keep it up with the build.
/ Axel and Rox
So, not a new baby then?? Lol. Good luck to Dane and all the best with the extra time you will have.....
Noooo.Definitely not.Hah.Cheers Dale
Nice work on the engines, and congrats on the sale of the buisness.
All the best.
Thanks Martin.Stay safe over there buddy.Getting cold I imagine.Hotting up here.Rossco
@@LifeOnTheHulls i will do my best, and you too buddy.
Sure we are down arround 6-10 degrees c in day time.
With all the heavy lifting you do when alone, you might want to consider a MePACS or SureSafe, in case you get stuck under something too big to shift off. It could save your life...
Congrats on selling the Kayak business, now you can really get started on the building catamarans business 😂
Ooh I have thought of that,unlikely for now.I still have our other paddlesports import and manufacture businesd to deal with.Good idea though.Ross
Great news about the business.
I'm begining to understand now why I would never let my sister date a multihull guy. They do everything twice!
Hi Rosco, would it not have been easier to string a level line over the motor, use a plumb to locate the flange and the bulkhead and then take Tan7× that distance to find the additional distance from the level line?
This would have been an ideal boat for electric motors, diesel genset, solar panels with lipho4 batteries.
When you keep sayin’ “motor” and “Barra”, you get us ‘Mericans aroused! 😂
I'm going through the same process with aligning a hurth v drive with my prop shaft. But I have several problems, the stern of my boat is up in the air to fit in my shed because of the skeg and cuddy cabin limits how the boat sits on its cradle to make it fit inside, so I am working downhill in close confines, I have rheumatoid arthritis in both knees with severe sciatica as well, and I don't bend like I used to, as well as that, I can't see what I am doing either. It's a bit like shoveling peas uphill with a spoon. I was fine 10 yrs ago when I started this project, I just can't figure out what's gone on! Give me a lump of wood and glue any day, none of this feeler gauge shit that's needed now!
A little beeswax on your bolts and screws help the binding and you will break less screws.
Great idea Kev.
hey Ross, in regards to the extra space you have now. Any chance I could use it to build a little teardrop camper from plywood and I could give you a hand whenever you need it when I am onsite there.
Best of luck to Dean taking over sea kayak Jervis Bay does this mean you've retired????
No Kev I don't think I will ever be able to retire.I am continuing on with my small importing and manufacture of kayaks.It will free up 3 or so solid days a week to devote to the boat build and ti try ti develop a recovery for the other business which has been hammered by this years fires and covid.Cheers Ross
@@LifeOnTheHulls oh and weeks of hols 😀😀😀
@@soylentgreen326 this is the important bit.
On woods & up woods guys, think of the time you will have for the build now..
? onward and upwards.
Congratulations all round and all the best to new owner.. Good to see such an important step done with the engines...What engines do they use in the power cat Ross? ⛵
Ross you should have told me you needed someone small to Crawl, and I would have sent you my little nephew...lol
Hah.That is so funny.I used to feed my son sam head first into kayaks when he was tiny with an adjustable wrench ti tighten up bolts I couldn't reach.Ross
@@LifeOnTheHulls 😂🤣... well they have to earn their keep... 🤣🤣
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Great work Fella, so how long did you agonize and double check the motor position before you drilled?
Even at the correct angle, is there a limit to how high or low you can be with that prop shaft? I can see too high causing problems with clearance under the hull.
Rossco, will you still be building kayaks? Good on you for making a beautiful business the dream of another younger person! Your motor alignment reminds me of a 120 foot catamaran barge I built for harvesting algae from a lake in Oregon USA. I had to align to drive pods with Chevrolet 502 gas engines connected to jet drives to the stern of each 120 foot steel hull. Same thing in making sure each jet drive was aligned with the other so they would drive at the same angle. I tried to get them to go diesel motors because the generator and all other pumps were diesel on the barge but they opted for cheaper gasoline engines. Good luck and it is exciting to see some of the drives coming in. I have to admit I will be more excited to see the mast and rigging going in. You have a wonderful case of OCD for details like myself. Keep the Vlogs coming. Blessings to you and your family!
Good episode Ross
How long did those fancy animations take this time?
Way too long Stephen. Cheers Buddy.
Before it's too late, you should figure out and devise a means to lift the engines at sea/not on the hard. In simpler terms, a structure that exists half built inside the engine bays, which when completed (like a circuit) allows you to move the engine for more involved work. You've the opportunity to do it, others wish they had something like this and not have to borrow cranes or improvise ones. Just my 2 cents on it, and following the old adage, better to have it, and not need it.
No wonder it takes a long time to do the vid's with all the animations. That said worth it to the viewers, we can see why it has to be spot on to get the shat inline and hence at the right angle providing the engine is in the right spot. My question is how do you stop the back end of the engine from drifting off centreline?
Motor has elastomer blocks in between mount and motor that absorb a lot of the vibration and 8 bolts per motor should see it stay balanced.Careful monitoring of lag screws will ensure it stays secure and in line.Rossco
@@LifeOnTheHulls Ross, I would go do a bit more research into how you can absorb the engine vibrations. In a car they use rubber feet sandwiched between a metal top and bottom plate. I am assuming that’s the elastomer blocks. Still worth seeing how the new cats do it.
@@latitudeash that is correct,however all production boats these days are sail drives prone to maintenance issues,diaphragm seal issues,external seal marine growth,and electrolysis with aluminium housings.Very costly to repair/ service,shaft drive simply a prop ,cutless bearing and pss seal internally serviceable and less likely to be damaged by floating debri ropes etc.vibration will not be an issue.Bearers are tied in the hull,act as stringers and easily adjustable.I know of shaft driven yanmar bosts in our area with 60years on them with no movement on bearers.Sail drives max 25years before replacement legs.
@@LifeOnTheHulls ahhh that sounds good. Bit more work but sounds like the way to go 👍🏼
good work ! since the access when everything will be installed , should be hard, when I prepare a new boat to protect the engine especially the underside I spray this corrosion inhibitor it's like a wax it can be used on electrical contact too because no one wants to remove an engine due to a corroded bolts or oil pan ! crc-canada.ca/marine/corrosion-inhibitor/heavy-duty-corrosion-inhibitor-284-grams.html.
agree mild steel coach bolts shit, try and get some stainless steel ones
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Had to stop watching Mike P working on scrappy for Life on the hulls.
I am glad about that.Caitlin Jenner not as good as Life On The Hulls buddy.You know that .Rossco.
@@LifeOnTheHulls Are you going to invite her down. If she goes overboard she’ll float.😂
Loved that episode just superb.
Congratulations on the semi retirement, not get back to work.
Sadly not semi retired Craig , but another chapter and part of the all time plan. Cheers Rossco
Its early in the vid but Janet's pregnant?
Oooh no Shane.We are not going there again.Hah.