As requested, here's the Jack Kirby episode from January 1993. For the story behind this episodes, check out this article by Mark Askwith: www.geocities.c...
"We act realistically, but we dream beyond that reality" - Jack Kirby This guy is a legend. He's work inspired lots of people. I can't believe he passed away a year after this :(
Kirby was a true titan and inspiration to illustrators like myself. A great selfless human. So generous to those he worked with. There wouldn't be a Marvel or D.C without him! Truly prolific! Thank you my brother!
What do you mean there wouldn't be a DC without him? The Fourth World Saga is beloved now, but it was a sales turd when it came out. Challengers of the Unknown was not a massive sales success either; if it had been he would have stayed with DC and we would have known the Silver Age as the DC age instead of the Marvel age. But it didn't and he was at Marvel 3 years later ripping off/repurposing the Challengers into the Fantastic Four with Stan Lee, which kicked off the Marvel Age of comics.
@brabon1 In all fairness, Stan did come up with the idea of using Thor as a superhero, but it was his younger brother Larry Lieber who wrote the first Thor comic (Journey Into Mystery #83) and Jack was the original Thor artist. Also, Jack once suggested to Stan that Asgard should be destroyed and replaced with a world that later became New Genesis and Stan turned him down. Of course Jack held on to the idea when he came to DC comics and decided to create a Fourth World.
Not to mention the great original version of THE CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN! (In fact, why ISN'T it mentioned in that opening list of accomplishments). Thanks for the commentary.
As I stated, Jack Kirby would have been the first artist on the comic if Stan didn't feel that the character looked "too heroic" for his liking. Jack DID draw the COVER of Amazing Fantasy #15 as well as drew the XMen comic where Spidey appeared as a guest star so it was possible that Ditko didn't come up with the original art! Stan was playing Peacemaker while still stating that the original idea was HIS and even THAT IDEA was inspirated from the pulp magazine hero The Spider - Master of Men!
I love this show it was one of the first Candain shows that I did an episode guide in the 80's for when I started Brit TV Entertainment. Capt. Rick Rules[LOL]
I think most of the constrovesy came when Steve Ditko took umbridge with what he felt was Stan takeing sole credit for the creation of Spiderman, there was a big public cat fight and Stan claimed that he came up with the idea of a superhero who had spider powers so it was him who should take credit, but Steve, who created his look, wrote and drew his original storys felt he deserved to be reconised. To Stans credit when the Spiderman movies were released the credits did read co created by Ditko
Stan Lee forever takes a bad rap from bitter Kirby obsessives and yet Stan did more than anyone to promote Jack Kirby. It was Stan who dubbed him King Kirby in all those credit boxes across decades of Marvel Comics, and Stan who welcomed Kirby back to Marvel even after Kirby had left for DC and savaged Stan with a really nasty caricature of his greatest collaborator and former friend. Kirby is the greatest mainstream comics artist in the history of the medium, but his works without Stan never had the same flare for characterization and humanity, nor certainly the same level of humor.
Yep. Stan Lee certainly wasn’t perfect, but one can’t deny that he and Jack collaborated and with out their collaboration popular culture would be very different. Jack didn’t do everything as some like to say. I think he needed someone like Stan to be able to channel his ideas and such. Like ya said, his works after Stan weren’t the same. Like look at Jacks 4th world stuff and eternals. They had the potential but lacked someone like Stan in the background. Oh well
@@hbcreates8355 People rave about the Fourth World stuff as a way of sticking it to Stan. "Hey, look what Jack did on his own!" But unsurprisingly what's good about the DC stuff is the art and overarching concepts, but it's missing a sense of humor and humanity. Kirby's dialogue and characterization without Stan or Joe Simon ranged from ponderous to embarrassingly dated and goofy. He wasn't capable of anything as crisp and funny as Spider-Man.
Read what I wrote again! I said "probably" and if you looked at those original Captain America comics, it usually said "Simon & Kirby" in a lower margin on the front page! It was Stan Lee who came up with the idea of posting credits on the inner front page of the comics during the Marvel Age! DC did it afterwards! And you're right that Jack was working before and after the Marvel Age and DC welcomed him after he left Marvel. They also didn't give him a reason to stay so he went back to Marvel!
I guess the idea that Stan might have been JOKING never occurred to you! If you've read "Origins of Marvel Comics" and the sequels that came after it, as well as the Kevin Smith interview on DVD, you'd know that he's never stopped praising ALL of the artists that worked with him and he conceded to give co-creator credit to Steve Ditko for Spider-Man despite the fact that Ditko was chosen to illustrate the character after Stan saw Jack Kirby's "too heroic" artwork!
Read "Origins of Marvel Comics" for Stan's version of what happened. Jack was first offered the job of illustrating the book but Stan thought that HIS take on it was "too heroic." I have no doubt that Steve Ditko remembered it differently but, the last time I checked, it was Stan's job as MARVEL'S STORY EDITOR to determined who illustrated what book, not the individual artists! If you choose to believe otherwise and re-write history, that's YOUR DECISION!
The guys from that era are true class acts. I don't think you'd ever so much as hear one of them say "damn" in an interview. These are guys you actually look up to and *respect*. Modern era guys need to take a look at these fellas and learn how to be modest and well mannered. Doesn't matter how good your work is, you need to be a nice guy to get genuine respect...
And I'm sure that Stan is embarrassed about most of it considering he initially worked behind the scenes when he got into the business. It wasn't until The Marvel Age when writers, artists, inkers & letterers received written credit for their work. If it weren't for Fantastic Four #1, we comics fans probably wouldn't have HEARD of Jack Kirby let alone be able to honor him! You should read Will Eisner's "The Dreamer" to see HIS account of "Jack King."
I didn't say that Kirby & Ditko would be nowhere without Stan! I said that Kirby & Ditko were freelance artist BY CHOICE and Stan was a COMPANY MAN who worked as an editor & art director when he wasn't writing virtually every title that Marvel put out! I don't deny that both Kirby & Ditko are legends in their own rights! I'm just pissed that Stan had to be villainized as a result of this! MARVEL shafted them and treated them like disposable trash, NOT STAN!!!!
@brabon1 My thoughts exactly! Darkseid=Darth Vader, Orion=Luke Skywalker, High Father=Obiwan Kenobi or Yoda. Of course, the father vs. son story goes back to ancient Greek mythology (Chronos vs. Zeus) and later in the ballad of "Sorab and Rustum." I would definitely enjoy seeing it, especially after seeing the great job the crew behind "The Justice League" cartoon series did with it!
Ditko's temper tandrum is well-documented and ignores the fact that Marvel Comics' Martin Goodman hired Stan Lee as Editor in Chief and it was HIS responsibility to choose who illustrated which book! Also, Stan HIMSELF said that Spider-Man was inspired by the pulp hero The Spider - Master of Men! So even Stan is humble enough to say that the idea didn't originate with HIM! Can Steve Ditko say THAT? What do YOU think?
I was very impressed with this installment of POG, but I must point out that when Commander Rick mentioned that Stan Lee indulged in "self-promotion," I cringed. If anything, Stan promoted Marvel Comics and the artists that he felt priviledged working with, including Jack "King" Kirby! While the mainstream remains ignorant of Jack's legacy of genius, comic book fans have never forgotten him!
Your welcome! And that's why we all live in the good old U.S.of A so that people like you can make a hole comments like the one you made. So yes, continue to say what you want at the right time, in the right place, and hopefully you won't regret what you choose to say to the wrong person who may decide to relieve you of your teeth, my friend
Within a year of its release, most major stores in the PA-NJ-NY area had at least one copy on-hand but NOW, because Kirby created it, it has become a needle in a haystack. Media/Fantasy/SF conventions, comic book conventions and well-stocked comic book stores probably have that issue available if you look hard enough. You might want to look into online search and ordering outlets. Good luck and good hunting.
Plus Steve Ditko is a writer, not only did he contribute alot alot of the early Spiderman and Doctor Strange, but after leaving DC he wrote, conceived a lot intereting new characters for Chalseton comics like the Question, Mr A and Hawk and Dove. Again I can't belive you don't think that the VISUALS matter a VISUAL median, with out artists like Ditko and Kirdy marvel would be nowear, Stan owes them a great deal remember that.
As the first PUBLISHED artist of Spider-man & Dr. Strange, he might have been the CO-PLOTTER of the stories but he didn't write the scripts nor the dialogue! Yes, he DID write & illustrate The Question, Hawk & Dove, Blue Beetle, and Captain Atom for Charlton Comics, a company that went out of business and whose characters were acquired by DC Comics and written and drawn by OTHERS! And I don't think that VISUALS are LESS important than the WRITING. I think they're EQUALLY important!
I don't remember anyone calling him "Jack the Hack!" "Jack The King' and "Jolly Jack" (because Stan said that he sometimes couldn't tell if Jack was smiling behind the cigar smoke he created when he drew his pages), but if anything, other artists copied his style when they took over his books like The Bucema Brothers. As for his "canonization," you obviously didn't read about his attempts to reclaim his artwork and his interviews at numerous magazines over the years!
No Steve did come up with the original art concept of Spiderman, its well documented. And I'm sure Stan is a nice guy and said his quip in a jokeing manner, it still wouldn't suprise me that he would like to take all the credit for Spiderman, I mean its quite obvious that Stan "The Man" Lee has quite a big ego, google "in search of steve ditko" a BBC doc about him, theres a very awkward interveiw with Stan were he seams very defencive over the issue, seeming to both claim that without Ditko...
As for what Stan was doing, he was an assistant editor, then chief editor, for Timely/Atlas/Marvel comics since he was 16 YEARS OLD! What did YOU do when YOU were 16?
@@RarebitFiendsWhen I was 16, I had a summer job as a librarian's assistant. That was in 1976! While my question wasn't originally addressed to you, I don't accept your excuse for not working as valid, but it's not my job to pass judgement on your life choice.
@@RarebitFiends No. It's my job to take people at their word and occasionally be misled by lame pranksters who get their thrills by pretending to be stupid but they're merely trying to cure their short-term bouts with boredom. Why do you ask?
I would've liked to have seen Kirby develop a series of pure science fiction adventures along the lines of The Challengers' Showcase No.11, entirely drawn by him. Some of the Challengers (the Kirby issues---especially the epic Showcase issues) were kind of like big scale adventure/sf films.. Meaning stories not involving super heroes but just straight-ahead SF (with horror and fantasy elements, naturally) with relatively everyday people in the "cast". I could almost imagine how great those would be from the "Marvel" monster-era. (I was in a comic shop in LA in the 80's when Jack was there by himself and I kick myself for not approaching him with words of praise for his work especially his long-form, big-scale sf work, BUT, I figured he might appreciate his time alone to just be "a person" out of the limelight. Yet, that never-initiated/potential chat still haunts my "if only" list.) Anyway, thanks for the comments and interview!!
...Spiderman wouldn't have worked but seems to be reclutent to give him credit forhis creation, Steve did a peice for a fanzine attacking Stan for not giving him credit in interveiws etra, Stan wrote a letter saying that if he wants credit he can have, Steve still wasn't happy as he felt that it was condersending and wanted Stan to properly acknowlage him for what he did. Go watch the doc its will explain things futher.
I know what you mean. Looking at it from the other side (being a child of the '60s and a teen in the '70s), it was very frustrating reading about and hearing from the flighty fans who salivated over the "flavor of the month" (the "prestige-format period" and the "Image boom" drove ME out of comics collecting for awhile). At least YOU could appreciate the classics for what they were, even the "what sub-par book is Kirby drawing & writing this month?" period that sadly ended with "Destroyer Duck."
I don't think that Stan was acting childish at all! It's Ditko who was playing the role of "Bitter Old Man who felt shafted and ignored by The Public," not Stan. Stan was and is a COMPANY MAN and a WRITER who "came up with the ideas" and Steve Ditko was a freelance ARTIST, not WRITER, who signed a contract without reading the fine print! And as for it being "only a comic," tell that to freelance artists like Ditko and Kirby who feel cheated out of profits that they're not LEGALLY entitled to!
Carm your self down, its only a comic lol. But yeah if you ask me they both were very childish but I do think even Stan knew that Steve played a lot in the succses to the way Ditko drew spiderman and designed him, as Alan Moore said as soon as Ditko stoped writting Spiderman he stoped reading them because they lost the unique feel to them.
I was just saying that I'VE never heard this inaccurate epithet. While the "younger crowd" encountered his "One Man Army Corp (O.M.A.C.)," "2001:A Space Odyssey - The Series" and "Devil Dinosaur" comics and probably found them lacking, I also remember his "Kamandi" and "Captain America" issues during this time period as well as his "Captain America's Bicentenial Battles" Special and I definitely wouldn't have dismissed them as "hackwork!" Fickle indeed as well as clueless and ignorant! Thanks.
I didn't say that the writing was more important than the "visuals." For the record, I believe that they're EQUALLY important. Unfortunately, the AVERAGE comic book fan places more importance on the VISUALS than the STORY for the same reason that the AVERAGE moviegoer places more importance on the ACTORS and the SPECIAL EFFECTS than the PLOT and the DIALOG of the film! Just because ILLITERATES spend more money in the theatre & the comic book stores, I'm not interested in joining their ranks!
Jack created it all. I heard an interview where he says Stan created nothing and I believe him. There is nothing out there with only Stan's name on it that is any good. Stan cannot write and he has no imagination-zero. Marvel wanted Jack out of the way because they didn't need him anymore. They had the rights to all his characters so Stan became the office clown. Excelsior? What the hell is that? What a lame catch phrase. Kirby's work is still great. I only hope that the rumour about Stan having a tonne of Kirby's artwork in storage somewhere is not true. Kirby's originals belong to him and they should be given to his family.
@@DoppelgangerShockwave Research about the "Marvel Method" and shut up ! Jack Kirby not only draw those comics but also wrote them. Stan Lee just edited the dialogs based on Jack Kirby's dialog suggestions left in the artwork.
@@comicbookguy6361 Tell me shut up again and I'll find out where you live and shut you up. The gall...Fuck you, dude! You mythologize Kirby too much. Kirby created a lot of great things, but to say he did it all on his own is pure garbage. It is physically impossible to create everything Marvel did by one person. They had a whole staff of artists on their roster, and Stan didn't just edit dialogue, that's how you actually spell the word by the way, you moron, he came up with dialogue and vague story-lines because he had to edit and put together all the books they were putting out for publication. By the way, I've seen Kirby's suggestions on the work he presented. It was almost never used because Kirby's dialogue was terrible. For someone who is so pompous and arrogant, you sure don't know much.
Right. EC's Eerie was in 1947. Black Magic, and EC's Tales From The Crypt, both came out in October of 1950. Jack was amazing, but he didn't invent everything. In fact he didn't invent much of any genre. He only made them better.
Jack was one of the all-time greats, no doubt about it, but to give him this God status is laughable at best. Jack didn't create the horror genre in comics. EC did that in 1947 with the one-off 'Eerie.' 'Black Magic' and 'Tales From The Crypt' both came out the same month in 1950. Kirby didn't create the superhero genre. Superheroes existed years before 'Captain America.' Jack created many great characters and stories across many genres, but he didn't invent any specific genre, he only improved upon them.
If your going to make comparisons to films people who like cieamography to tell the story rather than clunky diaolge as exposition, a more artistic aproach that respects the intellegence rather than to explain everything to the reader as if they were dumb. Anyway the point you seemed to be to be making is that Kirby and Ditko would be no wear without Stan, well Kirby was already succesful and aclaimed,Ditko was also doing well for himself before Marvel, what was Stan doing before Marvel?
thats complete bullshit, Kirby was working in comics for 20+ years before Fantastic four #1. He co-created Captain America for gods sake... If Kirby hadn't worked for Marvel he would have worked for another comics company.
Do you not think that in Comics which is a visual medium that the art is as important, in some instences more important the the writting, Spiderman aint a novel, you have to be breif, a lot of time the early stories weren't that good, most people remember the art from 60s comics like marvel. Stan was fun and all but if you read interveiws from people in the industy that read that period of comics and its clear that it was the art, not the writing that made them want to have a carer in comics.
To know now that you don't live here is very disappointing to read because you are definitely missing a whole lot more of our culture than focusing on making sarcastic statements. I am not crazy about shit hop, Lady Gaga, or McDonalds either but America has much more to offer and has given more to other countries economically, industrially, and socially than any other country in the world. Should i make a list for you, my friend? And by the way, your "welcome" for your "thanks" to America...
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"We act realistically, but we dream beyond that reality"
- Jack Kirby
This guy is a legend. He's work inspired lots of people. I can't believe he passed away a year after this :(
i know I am kind of off topic but does anyone know of a good site to watch new series online?
@Mark Cory flixportal :D
@James Major thanks, signed up and it seems to work =) I really appreciate it !
@Mark Cory You are welcome xD
This man was the true genius of popular illustrative storytelling of the 20th Century.
R.I.P. Jack.
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Kirby was a true titan and inspiration to illustrators like myself. A great selfless human. So generous to those he worked with. There wouldn't be a Marvel or D.C without him! Truly prolific! Thank you my brother!
What do you mean there wouldn't be a DC without him? The Fourth World Saga is beloved now, but it was a sales turd when it came out. Challengers of the Unknown was not a massive sales success either; if it had been he would have stayed with DC and we would have known the Silver Age as the DC age instead of the Marvel age. But it didn't and he was at Marvel 3 years later ripping off/repurposing the Challengers into the Fantastic Four with Stan Lee, which kicked off the Marvel Age of comics.
@@RarebitFiends Check your history and facks. Beyond Wikipedia.
@@colinleat8309 Haha, I know them very well. Your lack or answer is telling.
@@RarebitFiends ? What do you mean? Please clarify.
@@colinleat8309 You tell lies and cannot back them up with even a single fact or detail.
A true legend, Jack Kirby was one of my earliest inspirations as an artist. Thank you for posting this.
so glad to have found this interview of jack kirby, such immense talent and so humble. Kirby forever
@brabon1 In all fairness, Stan did come up with the idea of using Thor as a superhero, but it was his younger brother Larry Lieber who wrote the first Thor comic (Journey Into Mystery #83) and Jack was the original Thor artist. Also, Jack once suggested to Stan that Asgard should be destroyed and replaced with a world that later became New Genesis and Stan turned him down. Of course Jack held on to the idea when he came to DC comics and decided to create a Fourth World.
Not to mention the great original version of THE CHALLENGERS OF THE UNKNOWN! (In fact, why ISN'T it mentioned in that opening list of accomplishments). Thanks for the commentary.
Note to interviewers: don't start with 'why' questions - ask 'when', 'how' and 'where' questions.
Jack King Kirby, is an Old school Gentleman. It's great to see this video. He's Gone but HIS Work will NEVER DIE. Long live the KING of the Comic Art.
As I stated, Jack Kirby would have been the first artist on the comic if Stan didn't feel that the character looked "too heroic" for his liking. Jack DID draw the COVER of Amazing Fantasy #15 as well as drew the XMen comic where Spidey appeared as a guest star so it was possible that Ditko didn't come up with the original art! Stan was playing Peacemaker while still stating that the original idea was HIS and even THAT IDEA was inspirated from the pulp magazine hero The Spider - Master of Men!
I love this show it was one of the first Candain shows that I did an episode guide in the 80's for when I started Brit TV Entertainment. Capt. Rick Rules[LOL]
I think most of the constrovesy came when Steve Ditko took umbridge with what he felt was Stan takeing sole credit for the creation of Spiderman, there was a big public cat fight and Stan claimed that he came up with the idea of a superhero who had spider powers so it was him who should take credit, but Steve, who created his look, wrote and drew his original storys felt he deserved to be reconised. To Stans credit when the Spiderman movies were released the credits did read co created by Ditko
Hail the KING!
Stan Lee forever takes a bad rap from bitter Kirby obsessives and yet Stan did more than anyone to promote Jack Kirby. It was Stan who dubbed him King Kirby in all those credit boxes across decades of Marvel Comics, and Stan who welcomed Kirby back to Marvel even after Kirby had left for DC and savaged Stan with a really nasty caricature of his greatest collaborator and former friend. Kirby is the greatest mainstream comics artist in the history of the medium, but his works without Stan never had the same flare for characterization and humanity, nor certainly the same level of humor.
Yep. Stan Lee certainly wasn’t perfect, but one can’t deny that he and Jack collaborated and with out their collaboration popular culture would be very different. Jack didn’t do everything as some like to say. I think he needed someone like Stan to be able to channel his ideas and such. Like ya said, his works after Stan weren’t the same. Like look at Jacks 4th world stuff and eternals. They had the potential but lacked someone like Stan in the background. Oh well
@@hbcreates8355 People rave about the Fourth World stuff as a way of sticking it to Stan. "Hey, look what Jack did on his own!" But unsurprisingly what's good about the DC stuff is the art and overarching concepts, but it's missing a sense of humor and humanity. Kirby's dialogue and characterization without Stan or Joe Simon ranged from ponderous to embarrassingly dated and goofy. He wasn't capable of anything as crisp and funny as Spider-Man.
I just realized that 8 months ago I commented on that graphic novel! Will Eisner gives POG a rundown in Part 2 of "The Jack Kirby Story."
Read what I wrote again! I said "probably" and if you looked at those original Captain America comics, it usually said "Simon & Kirby" in a lower margin on the front page! It was Stan Lee who came up with the idea of posting credits on the inner front page of the comics during the Marvel Age! DC did it afterwards! And you're right that Jack was working before and after the Marvel Age and DC welcomed him after he left Marvel. They also didn't give him a reason to stay so he went back to Marvel!
I guess the idea that Stan might have been JOKING never occurred to you! If you've read "Origins of Marvel Comics" and the sequels that came after it, as well as the Kevin Smith interview on DVD, you'd know that he's never stopped praising ALL of the artists that worked with him and he conceded to give co-creator credit to Steve Ditko for Spider-Man despite the fact that Ditko was chosen to illustrate the character after Stan saw Jack Kirby's "too heroic" artwork!
Read "Origins of Marvel Comics" for Stan's version of what happened. Jack was first offered the job of illustrating the book but Stan thought that HIS take on it was "too heroic." I have no doubt that Steve Ditko remembered it differently but, the last time I checked, it was Stan's job as MARVEL'S STORY EDITOR to determined who illustrated what book, not the individual artists! If you choose to believe otherwise and re-write history, that's YOUR DECISION!
@brabon1
True. We need a New Gods movie!
you wish is granted
The guys from that era are true class acts. I don't think you'd ever so much as hear one of them say "damn" in an interview. These are guys you actually look up to and *respect*. Modern era guys need to take a look at these fellas and learn how to be modest and well mannered. Doesn't matter how good your work is, you need to be a nice guy to get genuine respect...
And I'm sure that Stan is embarrassed about most of it considering he initially worked behind the scenes when he got into the business. It wasn't until The Marvel Age when writers, artists, inkers & letterers received written credit for their work. If it weren't for Fantastic Four #1, we comics fans probably wouldn't have HEARD of Jack Kirby let alone be able to honor him! You should read Will Eisner's "The Dreamer" to see HIS account of "Jack King."
'Jack Kirby is not a household name.'
Wow...THAT was awhile ago XD
I didn't say that Kirby & Ditko would be nowhere without Stan! I said that Kirby & Ditko were freelance artist BY CHOICE and Stan was a COMPANY MAN who worked as an editor & art director when he wasn't writing virtually every title that Marvel put out! I don't deny that both Kirby & Ditko are legends in their own rights! I'm just pissed that Stan had to be villainized as a result of this! MARVEL shafted them and treated them like disposable trash, NOT STAN!!!!
So hyphenated-american stan-lee swindled hyphenated-americans jack-kirby and steve-ditko out of a few shekels.. So what??
@brabon1 My thoughts exactly! Darkseid=Darth Vader, Orion=Luke Skywalker, High Father=Obiwan Kenobi or Yoda. Of course, the father vs. son story goes back to ancient Greek mythology (Chronos vs. Zeus) and later in the ballad of "Sorab and Rustum." I would definitely enjoy seeing it, especially after seeing the great job the crew behind "The Justice League" cartoon series did with it!
Ditko's temper tandrum is well-documented and ignores the fact that Marvel Comics' Martin Goodman hired Stan Lee as Editor in Chief and it was HIS responsibility to choose who illustrated which book! Also, Stan HIMSELF said that Spider-Man was inspired by the pulp hero The Spider - Master of Men! So even Stan is humble enough to say that the idea didn't originate with HIM! Can Steve Ditko say THAT? What do YOU think?
I don't know, I don't think Stan is took selfless, he did say in an interveiw once that he'd take any credit that wasn't nailed down.
I was very impressed with this installment of POG, but I must point out that when Commander Rick mentioned that Stan Lee indulged in "self-promotion," I cringed. If anything, Stan promoted Marvel Comics and the artists that he felt priviledged working with, including Jack "King" Kirby! While the mainstream remains ignorant of Jack's legacy of genius, comic book fans have never forgotten him!
Your welcome! And that's why we all live in the good old U.S.of A so that people like you can make a hole comments like the one you made. So yes, continue to say what you want at the right time, in the right place, and hopefully you won't regret what you choose to say to the wrong person who may decide to relieve you of your teeth, my friend
It/s OK-certified to punch an Antibolshie
no book seemed to come out sub-par w/him on it, though. =0)
i really wanna read his destroyer duck, it's hard to find.
Thanks sir Kirby.
Within a year of its release, most major stores in the PA-NJ-NY area had at least one copy on-hand but NOW, because Kirby created it, it has become a needle in a haystack. Media/Fantasy/SF conventions, comic book conventions and well-stocked comic book stores probably have that issue available if you look hard enough. You might want to look into online search and ordering outlets. Good luck and good hunting.
Plus Steve Ditko is a writer, not only did he contribute alot alot of the early Spiderman and Doctor Strange, but after leaving DC he wrote, conceived a lot intereting new characters for Chalseton comics like the Question, Mr A and Hawk and Dove.
Again I can't belive you don't think that the VISUALS matter a VISUAL median, with out artists like Ditko and Kirdy marvel would be nowear, Stan owes them a great deal remember that.
As the first PUBLISHED artist of Spider-man & Dr. Strange, he might have been the CO-PLOTTER of the stories but he didn't write the scripts nor the dialogue! Yes, he DID write & illustrate The Question, Hawk & Dove, Blue Beetle, and Captain Atom for Charlton Comics, a company that went out of business and whose characters were acquired by DC Comics and written and drawn by OTHERS! And I don't think that VISUALS are LESS important than the WRITING. I think they're EQUALLY important!
I don't remember anyone calling him "Jack the Hack!" "Jack The King' and "Jolly Jack" (because Stan said that he sometimes couldn't tell if Jack was smiling behind the cigar smoke he created when he drew his pages), but if anything, other artists copied his style when they took over his books like The Bucema Brothers. As for his "canonization," you obviously didn't read about his attempts to reclaim his artwork and his interviews at numerous magazines over the years!
Within the first minute:
Me: daaaaaaaaammmmmmmnnnnnnnnn.
2:42 -- "... and I'm doing my damndest to shit all over it."
.....yes ...... Bob Kane..... created....Batman. I feel you're missing something but I can't put my FINGER on it.
@VinnyMonster1 Thank you! At least somebody read all of the words that I typed instead of misread part of it like...never mind.
No Steve did come up with the original art concept of Spiderman, its well documented. And I'm sure Stan is a nice guy and said his quip in a jokeing manner, it still wouldn't suprise me that he would like to take all the credit for Spiderman, I mean its quite obvious that Stan "The Man" Lee has quite a big ego, google "in search of steve ditko" a BBC doc about him, theres a very awkward interveiw with Stan were he seams very defencive over the issue, seeming to both claim that without Ditko...
As for what Stan was doing, he was an assistant editor, then chief editor, for Timely/Atlas/Marvel comics since he was 16 YEARS OLD! What did YOU do when YOU were 16?
In my defense there were child labor laws in place by the 1990s that did not exist in the 1930s.
@@RarebitFiendsWhen I was 16, I had a summer job as a librarian's assistant. That was in 1976! While my question wasn't originally addressed to you, I don't accept your excuse for not working as valid, but it's not my job to pass judgement on your life choice.
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs Is it your job to miss the joke?
@@RarebitFiends No. It's my job to take people at their word and occasionally be misled by lame pranksters who get their thrills by pretending to be stupid but they're merely trying to cure their short-term bouts with boredom. Why do you ask?
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs Oh wow, so that response was just sheer stupidity on your part, and not something you are paid to do? Yikes. 😅
Anyone know who illustrated to opening for Prisoners of Gravity? Terrific comic drawings.
Ty Templeton
I would've liked to have seen Kirby develop a series of pure science fiction adventures along the lines of The Challengers' Showcase No.11, entirely drawn by him. Some of the Challengers (the Kirby issues---especially the epic Showcase issues) were kind of like big scale adventure/sf films.. Meaning stories not involving super heroes but just straight-ahead SF (with horror and fantasy elements, naturally) with relatively everyday people in the "cast". I could almost imagine how great those would be from the "Marvel" monster-era. (I was in a comic shop in LA in the 80's when Jack was there by himself and I kick myself for not approaching him with words of praise for his work especially his long-form, big-scale sf work, BUT, I figured he might appreciate his time alone to just be "a person" out of the limelight. Yet, that never-initiated/potential chat still haunts my "if only" list.) Anyway, thanks for the comments and interview!!
...Spiderman wouldn't have worked but seems to be reclutent to give him credit forhis creation, Steve did a peice for a fanzine attacking Stan for not giving him credit in interveiws etra, Stan wrote a letter saying that if he wants credit he can have, Steve still wasn't happy as he felt that it was condersending and wanted Stan to properly acknowlage him for what he did. Go watch the doc its will explain things futher.
I know what you mean. Looking at it from the other side (being a child of the '60s and a teen in the '70s), it was very frustrating reading about and hearing from the flighty fans who salivated over the "flavor of the month" (the "prestige-format period" and the "Image boom" drove ME out of comics collecting for awhile). At least YOU could appreciate the classics for what they were, even the "what sub-par book is Kirby drawing & writing this month?" period that sadly ended with "Destroyer Duck."
I don't think that Stan was acting childish at all! It's Ditko who was playing the role of "Bitter Old Man who felt shafted and ignored by The Public," not Stan. Stan was and is a COMPANY MAN and a WRITER who "came up with the ideas" and Steve Ditko was a freelance ARTIST, not WRITER, who signed a contract without reading the fine print! And as for it being "only a comic," tell that to freelance artists like Ditko and Kirby who feel cheated out of profits that they're not LEGALLY entitled to!
if any actor does a movie acting for jack kirby it has to be al pacino
@brabon1
They already released Eragon XD
They don't care about rip-offs as long as they seem like they'll sell.
Call me Chato sent me.
Amazing to hear Rick’s behind the scene story of this (Kirby’s last!) interview.
Rad. Up the King. Fade the Flashman.
Carm your self down, its only a comic lol. But yeah if you ask me they both were very childish but I do think even Stan knew that Steve played a lot in the succses to the way Ditko drew spiderman and designed him, as Alan Moore said as soon as Ditko stoped writting Spiderman he stoped reading them because they lost the unique feel to them.
@brabon1
Micheal Clarke Duncan? :)
I was just saying that I'VE never heard this inaccurate epithet. While the "younger crowd" encountered his "One Man Army Corp (O.M.A.C.)," "2001:A Space Odyssey - The Series" and "Devil Dinosaur" comics and probably found them lacking, I also remember his "Kamandi" and "Captain America" issues during this time period as well as his "Captain America's Bicentenial Battles" Special and I definitely wouldn't have dismissed them as "hackwork!" Fickle indeed as well as clueless and ignorant! Thanks.
I also remember his "Captain Snafu" issues
I didn't say that the writing was more important than the "visuals." For the record, I believe that they're EQUALLY important. Unfortunately, the AVERAGE comic book fan places more importance on the VISUALS than the STORY for the same reason that the AVERAGE moviegoer places more importance on the ACTORS and the SPECIAL EFFECTS than the PLOT and the DIALOG of the film! Just because ILLITERATES spend more money in the theatre & the comic book stores, I'm not interested in joining their ranks!
You're watching TVO -- yo
Jack created it all. I heard an interview where he says Stan created nothing and I believe him. There is nothing out there with only Stan's name on it that is any good. Stan cannot write and he has no imagination-zero. Marvel wanted Jack out of the way because they didn't need him anymore. They had the rights to all his characters so Stan became the office clown. Excelsior? What the hell is that? What a lame catch phrase. Kirby's work is still great. I only hope that the rumour about Stan having a tonne of Kirby's artwork in storage somewhere is not true. Kirby's originals belong to him and they should be given to his family.
No Jack didn't "create it all." He was great, but you give him far too much credit.
@@DoppelgangerShockwave Research about the "Marvel Method" and shut up !
Jack Kirby not only draw those comics but also wrote them.
Stan Lee just edited the dialogs based on Jack Kirby's dialog suggestions left in the artwork.
@@comicbookguy6361 Tell me shut up again and I'll find out where you live and shut you up. The gall...Fuck you, dude! You mythologize Kirby too much. Kirby created a lot of great things, but to say he did it all on his own is pure garbage. It is physically impossible to create everything Marvel did by one person. They had a whole staff of artists on their roster, and Stan didn't just edit dialogue, that's how you actually spell the word by the way, you moron, he came up with dialogue and vague story-lines because he had to edit and put together all the books they were putting out for publication. By the way, I've seen Kirby's suggestions on the work he presented. It was almost never used because Kirby's dialogue was terrible. For someone who is so pompous and arrogant, you sure don't know much.
@@DoppelgangerShockwave Yeah he did it, Stan Lee created shit
if i was 1/2 the man jack kirby was id be 2'6".... hur hur.
Another video in commemoration of Jack Kirby's birthday.
And three people are Stan lee.
What are ya talking about, Stan loved Jack.
@@afonsolucas2219 yeah right
Jack did not create the first Horror comic man this Host made that up!
Right. EC's Eerie was in 1947. Black Magic, and EC's Tales From The Crypt, both came out in October of 1950. Jack was amazing, but he didn't invent everything. In fact he didn't invent much of any genre. He only made them better.
Jack was one of the all-time greats, no doubt about it, but to give him this God status is laughable at best. Jack didn't create the horror genre in comics. EC did that in 1947 with the one-off 'Eerie.' 'Black Magic' and 'Tales From The Crypt' both came out the same month in 1950. Kirby didn't create the superhero genre. Superheroes existed years before 'Captain America.' Jack created many great characters and stories across many genres, but he didn't invent any specific genre, he only improved upon them.
If your going to make comparisons to films people who like cieamography to tell the story rather than clunky diaolge as exposition, a more artistic aproach that respects the intellegence rather than to explain everything to the reader as if they were dumb.
Anyway the point you seemed to be to be making is that Kirby and Ditko would be no wear without Stan, well Kirby was already succesful and aclaimed,Ditko was also doing well for himself before Marvel, what was Stan doing before Marvel?
thats complete bullshit, Kirby was working in comics for 20+ years before Fantastic four #1. He co-created Captain America for gods sake...
If Kirby hadn't worked for Marvel he would have worked for another comics company.
Do you not think that in Comics which is a visual medium that the art is as important, in some instences more important the the writting, Spiderman aint a novel, you have to be breif, a lot of time the early stories weren't that good, most people remember the art from 60s comics like marvel. Stan was fun and all but if you read interveiws from people in the industy that read that period of comics and its clear that it was the art, not the writing that made them want to have a carer in comics.
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