Dive Watches and Suits - James Bond - feat TGV from The Urban Gentry
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- Dive Watches and Suits - James Bond - feat TGV from The Urban Gentry
In this episode of Federico Talks Watches TGV and I discuss the topic of wearing dive watches with suits. Is it appropriate to wear a Rolex Submariner or an AP Royal Oak Diver with a suit. We also discuss wearing nato straps and rubber straps with a suit.
Also what dress watch would James Bond wear? JLC, FP Journe, Rolex, maybe an Omega?
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"You don't want to wear a dress watch when your trying to kill somebody."
Classic.
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I think an Aqua Terra works really good with a suit
Actually Sean Connery, in a scene as James Bond he’s just enjoying a night, in his tuxedo, he wore his personal gold Gruen dress watch.
the amount of passion these two have for watches is awesome.
I think you guys should give this video another shot. James Bond and watches is a fascinating topic.
I think it all depends on the dive watch. Some dive watches look more dressy. Like the Seamaster 300 for example.
You kind of eluded to where I stand on this issue at the end of the video. I simply do not wear a suit often enough to warrant the purchase of a proper dress watch at the moment given my love for sports watches. I currently wear my Seamaster 300 Master Co-Axial on those occasions, and I think it works well. The important thing IMO is each individual feeling comfortable with what they are wearing and wearing it with confidence. Like James Bond, the key to pulling it off is boldness.
You are 100% correct!
You're BOTH wrong. James Bond would wear an Orient Bambino. 😂😂
Hi Federico, nowadays only a few men go diving with their luxury dive watches. These watches became "dress divers". So, you can get away with wearing a Subby with a suit. But a Seamaster Ploprof would stretch it a bit too far for me! ;)
Best regards,
Claus
... or a Planet Ocean. Have you seen how high they sit nowadays?
+stephen rhodes too high. I love the first integrations of the Planet Oceans.
I think you mean "Desk" divers, , although dress diver conjures up some very x rated thoughts,
I wore my black suit today with my 34mm steel Rolex Date on Oyster bracelet. Looked fantastic and slid well under sleeve.
I totally understand all the points that you guys brought up. I think that in a traditional sense that dress watches are only allowed with a suite. However I personally have worn a diver in a suite. I think that the "classic" style and rule will always be only dress watches period. However I do think that a man who is fashionably knowledgeable and has great taste and class can pull of combinations of cloths and watches that one might not normally think of. Watches can be a great way to accent, accessorize and add color to an outfit. (They can really work well in a business casual or semi-business casual environment.) You still have to dress according the environment you'll be in though, i.e. if you are expected to wear a tie, three piece and only carry a leather briefcase, it is probably safe to say a Blue Squale 1521 is out.
Keep it up, loving the videos! I have finally bought my first 3 automatic watches in the past two days because of you and TGV. Cheers!
Someone should do a nostalgia review of the Gruen Precision 510, the first watch worn by James Bond on screen!.. in fact theres your answer.. the Gruen precision was in fact a dress watch! So this in fact is the dress watch Bond would wear!
Honestly, it depends on the person, what they're wearing and the size of the watch on their wrist. NATO strap not ZULU with a linen or cotton suit isn't bad. As long as you're not wearing something super chunky with a rubber strap. The thinner the watch the better for formal wear. Also, a JLC Reverso was essentially a tool watch to play Polo in, from what I heard somewhere down the grapevine. Great Topic.
Thanks Federico, I always enjoy your videos. Here's to hoping that your 10k subs come even sooner than you expect! Cheers!
i wear my sub all time with suits (paired with black shoes only). for more important meetings and events i whip out the reverso on the black strap. with brown shoes i wear my datejust on a brown alligator strap. occasionally ill use the datejust on a black strap to mix things up. my silver dialed datejust is incredibly versatile and my favorite piece.
Very well thought out...
Yes you can wear a dive watch with a suit. When you do, don't forget to pair it with a pair of hiking boots. Cheers.
Up until about 10 years ago, the Rolex Sub was known as the "dealer's watch" in the City. Every currency trader worth his salt proudly wore his Sub with his Jermyn Street shirts and suits, and his Crockett and Jones brogues. I still proudly wear any number of dive watches with a suit.
Some work better than others... I wear my sub with a suit, just not on a nato...
then again, at least in the states here, wall street guys are far from renown for their taste...
black sub date for every combination, superocean and nautilus are definetly for suit and tie!
This basically went nowhere but I like hearing these two talk watches. I thought we were going to hear about specific divers that work with suits or specific dressers that work with casual wear. I think the style is changing, now any type of nice watch for the most part can get away in a suit and you can wear an all black T shirt with jeans or khaki’s and a dress watch. It all depends on how you present yourself
That question has already been answered. In the novels Bond wears a Rolex "Oyster Perpetual", which is the first Rolex Explorer. He wore a diver watch when on a mission like in Live and Let Die, but these were Q issued equipment. The watch that Bond would wear off duty would be the Explorer. Keep in mind in those days it was a utilitarian non luxury watch, so nowadays this would probably translate into a Seiko.
To be fair; these watches were utilitarian, but still high-end utilitarian. In some ways you could compare the price of Rolex then to Tudor or any entry-level Swiss luxury sports watch now.
I think it's acceptable nowadays for people who have an office job because it would be a "tool watch" for a suit you can bang around your desk, walk around the office and for the mandatory happy hour drinks but i would not use just any "diver watch". It's not the same wearing a Seiko Monster or a Seiko skx009 compared to a vintage Rolex Submariner or Omega Planet Ocean 42 as they are all divers, I would go for a more refined timepiece like Rolex or Omega mentioned above. Now you guys mentioned Black Tie parties where "office suits" are going to remain at home and a special attire is gonna be required, for these events i would propose another diver, if funds are unlimited, i would wear a Patek Nautilus Stainless Steel... Dreaming does not cost a thing.
James Bond could wear a Vostok Komandirskie. A present from general Gogol :-)
I think a dive watch ( a more dressy one) is ok to wear with a suit on steel bracelet or leather one ! A dive watch is more versatile than a typical dress watch ! A dress watch is hard to wear on a sporty clothes, but an dive watch is more appropriate to wear in a dress cloathes ! ( My thoght's) Gratings from Romania !
couldnt stop laughing first 4 min...u guys seem to have great time making these videos
Good vid. He wore a Aqua terra 38.5 blue dial in skyfall as his dress watch. The spectre seamaster 300 is quite dressy on the bracelet with its polished center links
Always enjoyable to watch and listen when both Federico and TGV get together. Entertaining and much to be learned.
Thank you so much sir!
I've worn an SMP Midsize with a tuxedo before, and I didn't feel out of place at all. I got lots of compliments.
I wear a suit like twice a year. My suit is a dark gray tone and I usually go for blue or pink necktie, so I always wear the Seamaster Bond on bracelet. I think it looks great.
On a bracelet with that outfit I think it most probably works rather well...
Hate to break it to you guys but Daniel Craig's bond wears the omega seamaster Aqua terra for dress. Fun video. Keep it up Frederico
It's definitely possible to pull off a divers/sports watch with a fashionable suit, or vice versa, a classy dress watch on a fun band or strap with sporty/casual wear if it's tastefully done ... And it can work especially well if the wearer has a strong personality and can "make it a style all their own." That being said, it's important to recognize that there are some occasions where it's important to be event-appropriate and stick to traditions. Whatever the case, I think it's great that we keep horology and people's interest in watch-wearing alive!
Absolutely David... I tend to be more conservative, but thats just me...
I love getting these bits of gems and "old school" opinions from TGV but especially Fed. You both have different approaches due to your backgrounds but when you come together on the standards and practices of how certain watches should be worn, it is like enjoying a great movie or symphony for the first time. I always enjoy the content and believe it or not, yours and TGV's tips, opinions and little fun facts assist gents like me in my respective professional field.
Cheers!
Cheers Mr Morris, it means a lot to me man!
I love these back and forth videos!
A good thing to keep in mind is how fluid fashion is. (thank god, because I would look terrible in a tri-corner hat and a powdered wig.) Black-tie used to be considered semi-formal, now it's pretty much the standard for formal wear (I haven't seen anyone wear white-tie unironically for a really, really long time.)
Anyway, the people who first decided on the "no metal bracelets with suits"-rule are most likely all dead at this point, so it kinda' falls to the living to make the rules now. I'm sure in 100 years, people will be debating whether or not it's acceptable to wear your fission-powered, multicolored Z-shock with formal attire (which by then will probably be board-shorts and a polo shirt.)
Can't say I agree guys there's no school like the old school! They invented class and watch etiquette. They Laid it out on a path for us and it's our duty to follow suit after all that's why us rare few love watches because we're nostalgic and appreciate older ways and this of quality! Don't mess up the blood line 30mm or smaller to 36mm tops!
Bring back these episodes
I'm pretty sure In the bond book Moonraker he said he gets paid 40 thousand a year, but on his missions he can spend as much as needed to complete the job. Also thanks for the content Federico and keep it up!
Cheers Grant. Unfortunately I haven't read the bond books... I should pick them up...
+Federico I (Federico Talks Watches) yeah from what I read last year in English class it was pretty good!
If Bond was off to the opera for the evening, he'd wear a Cartier Tank.
I'm not much of a collector. Mostly vintage because I can afford it, but I have a gold (filled) Waltham and a steel Ball dress watch, which I match to my belt buckle and outfit.
Definitely depends on the diver. Great vid guys:)
I think it depends on the nato color when wearing it on a suit. I generally use my grey and black nato on my dive watch on suit (my casio duro).
If it's a Patek Aquanaut you can wear dinner suit or a suit or casual... It's one of the few watches that does it all.
+Sir John Hall I disagree, the aquanaut for me is strictly a sport watch. No dinner suit, no suit... Just my two cents...
Personally as long as it’s on a metal or leather bracelet, it’s a normal business style suit, and jt fits under your shirt cuff it works
I've done the Nato with a suit but to be fair I'm not doing the full formal look i.e. no tie and open collar. Actually landed a date as I was making my morning espresso in the office. So the ladies clearly don't have an issue with it!! If I was 3 piecing it up with a tie then Yes....classy dress with leather strap to compliment. No problem with anyone who wants to wear a diver with a suit.....
I agree, things are much more lax when you are going open collar...
I see craig bond wearing an IWC portofino, or Zenith port royal
Another fantastic vlog.
Anything other than a dress watch with a suit for a formal occasion is a no no. Wearing one with a day time suit is acceptable on a metal bracelet. Wearing something on a nato or distressed leather bracelet etc is only acceptable with a linen or casual cloth suit.... This could look cool. For example Spectre when DC is wearing his casual suit in the desert with his Seamaster on a nato so cool!
Fashion rules are contextual. They are also normative. In the U.S. the Rolex sub and the Bond seamster have transcended sports watch status and have become all occasion watches--in 99% of all circles and contexts they are appropriate and the norm! That said, my personal preference is suit goes with a leather banded dress watch (strap should match does and belt!!). Blazers and sport coats range from suit-like (a tailored navy blazer, for instance) to very casual (unlined tweed or cord material)--I try to match the dress-level of the outfit with the dress level of the watch. A navy blazer with flannel pants is messy enough for a dress watch but the sub or 300 is fine too. Linen and cotton summer suits and coats are fine with a nice diver on a nice nato as long as the strap doesn't clash with coat material.
Thank's again for the great video guys.
Depends on the dive watch. Frankly, my rule is do what you want as long as you own the hell of it. But if you're wearing a seiko monster under a suit, yeah, in my opinion that's pretty tasteless. Really good point about how dress watches are overlooked because of people using a dive watch for all purposes. I'm definitely guilty of that.
Another great video.Thank you Federico.Have a nice day.
Sean Connery wore a Breun Precision 510 and Daniel Craig a Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra.
Late to the party but i think that part of the confusion here stems from the fact that most people now assume a suit is always formal, it’s not, for men concerned with style and in traditionally conservative industries it’s the one option.
In my humble opinion, a suittable watch for a suit will be something in the region of a Seiko SARB033 or the Orient Star Retrograde.
these watches really enhance the suit and give a more classy look than a diver.
Nice video with an interesting topic to discuss until the end of times. tastes change so dramatically but in my humble opinion the perfect dress watch should be thin, discrete but powerful. JLC Reverso; P.F Calatrava or a vintage Rolex on a leather strap. More affordable? Nomos; Eberhard & co; Oris Monk. When in doubt, wear nothing. Cheers Federico your orange strap is a killer.
My brother in law wears a rolex sub diving of rigs in Nigeria. It's scratched up but functional.
What about the new Rolex Yachtmaster, with ever rose gold case and black rubber strap, gold clasp? I think it would go beautiful with a tuxedo.
Would wear a sub or seamaster 300m with a suit for business, work and leisure, but maybe a more dressier watch for gala and weddings and funerals
I know this isn't a dive watch, but what is everyone's thoughts on a Yachtmaster 116622 blue dial on a suit? It's probably one of the more dressier sport Rolexes I've seen. Not to mention the platinum bezel has a nice shimmering look to it.
I agree, James Bond would wear a very nice JLC or an Omega Globemaster. What do you all think?
I like the Christopher Ward Moonphase watch, it is absolutely stunning.
Dress watch for James Bond: How about the Omega DeVille line? Either vintage or modern?
not a bad choice....
Nothing like a mid size watch with leather strap. Will always tend to look classy. But just like you guys said, times change it very normal to see dive watches with suits . Awesome vids like always
Cheers Robert
I rather wear a dress watch all the time than a diver.The idea of wearing a calatrava to the beach doesn't seem bad at all it just makes me want one even more...
TGV is wearing his Seiko SCED035 ! I love that watch.
for me if you only have sports watches maybe you can with a suit. however personally it would have to be an upper tier one like an omega or Rolex. otherwise don't wear a watch with your suit. I wouldn't expect a Seiko diver with a suit like I wouldn't expect a gshock with one. black tie is dress watch or no watch period however.
Frédérique Constant Slimline Moonphase?
Looking at my collection I have more dive watches then dress watches but I love wearing my dress watches, even without a suite. That's when I'll change up the strap I like a stingray strap or a crocodile strap both look great and a bit sporty when dressed in khakis and polo shirt.
Stingray is an awesome choice... you don't see them often...
Not sure if I would say its "right" or "wrong". But I think wearing a dive watch with a suit communicates certain things. For instance, if I see a guy wearing a black ceramic sub (or worse, a sea dweller) in the office with a suit, I tend to think they are a very much in to status and a bit careless (tacky may be a better word).
I think the best sport watch that will go well with suits are rolex daytona or sub in two tone or solid gold.
My stock broker dresses amazing, bespoke suit everyday and his everyday watch 7 days a week is steel, white dial Rolex Daytona and it looks amazing!!!! Probably, traditional rules would say that he can not wear that watch with his suits, but he pulls it off perfect (french cuff shirts, suits). It always looks awesome
You guys are awesome to listen to. Loving all your videos. Great variety of topics. As for my 2 cents worth I have to agree...NEVER a dress watch with shorts! That's just outright sacrilege. I have a friend who wears a sub with a suit and it looks great. You can definitely pull it off. Natos or Zulus with suits is also a definite no-no. As for rubber straps geez that's a hard one but in general I agree it's not befitting. There are some exceptions though....I would wear my Ulysse Nardin Maxi Marine Diver with rubber strap and titanium inserts with a suit. It's a very classy look. Another watch that can probably pull off being worn with a suit is my Chopard Mille Miglia GT XL Power Control with white dial and Dunlop tread tyre strap. May be a little large though. What do you guys think? Keep up thrse awesome videos please. Ciao :-)
I agree. I think it depends if the guy is just a confident guy in general who has his act together, then whatever he wears will impress whoever sees him.
I think it's an independent and cool fashion statement, especially on a rubber strap. Moreover, if you're wearing one that sticks out a bit, it's an awesome conversation piece. That said, the watch world is divided such that the people who notice either won't care whether or not it is acceptable in terms of fashion; they only care if it is expensive. The other crowd, being watch heads, will give you props for wearing a cool watch like a sub, a planet ocean, and AP too diver, a fifty fathoms, ect...
Where is the watch check ?
I have a DOXA searambler it’s my only watch I don’t think it would hurt to wear it with a suit
I just wore my pre ceramic submariner on a bracelet with a navy Armani Suit on an interview.
In Dr No 007 wore
a Gruen .. later in the movie I believe it was a Seiko for the underwater stuff..
i will probably wear my tudor bbb, but best suit watches, not high luxury watch and not too show off: should be Seiko GS, Omega AT, Rolex OP.
my 2 cents
i was thinking of buying a rolex submariner green dial and bezel or the "hulk". I was concerned that it would be hard to pull off on certain outfits. I went to a rolex store and checked one out and asked what they though. They said it would go well dressed casual, or dressed up. what do you guys think.
Nice vid, you guys! I think it's acceptable nowadays (sadly), but it's definitely not appropriate for a formal setting.
Great work Federico! Movie watches classic : yellow gold Rolex Day Date on leather strap a la "Get Carter"
I know im late but dress watch for 007?... not quite dressy but JLC Geophysic (im in love with that thing).
Craig rocked the Planet Ocean in the Bahamas scene in Royale and the blue linen suit in the pre title sequence.
James Bond wore Gruen dress watch with a tux in one of the movies I think. Fun fact, it had an Aegler Movement, so from the same manufacturer that made Rolex movements. Belonged in Connery’s own collection.
A solid color nato might work, ie plain black.a mesh would be nice too.
It depends on the guy..so true. Style is a holistic exercise, sometimes the best move is to break a rule. Sometimes. None of my divers would look terribly good with any of my suits, on me. But that's me, my suits, and my watches. It could be different for someone else obviously.
Omega GLOBEMASTER yellow gold on a leather strap is my idea of a watch you wear ANYWHERE!!!
A real dress watch for me is a Piaget Altiplano white gold on a blackcock leather band. James Bond should not be able to pay it with his salary, however, he is usually earing 43K suits. How does that happen? It is part of what a secret agent gets to go around the places he has to go on his job. Nice video!! Interesting conversation!!
quite interesting video Federico and TGV. I would be interested to hear your opinion about Chronographs vs plain watch about this same environment. What about show out dress watches like Hublot or other tacky examples?
I was raised on Connery's JB. I read all the books in high school. After reading Dell Deaton, I'm sold on the Explorer. It makes sense for Bond: it is a rugged sports watch that can pass for a dress watch. It's perfect for all occasions. Now, when I see Connery/whoever wearing a dive watch with a tux, it looks as inappropriate as if he were wearing swim fins with a tux. I'd LOVE a Rolex Explorer w/Seiko's rugged Spring Drive. I hope Rolex copies it after the patents expire.
Excellent video Federico! Always a pleasure to see my email notify me that you have uploaded a new video! As for watches I think James Bond (Daniel Craig in particular) would wear, I could easily see him rocking the new 2016 Vacheron Constantin Overseas or the Overseas Chronograph. Given the ease of changing straps, I feel it could be used in many different situations.
Thank you for the compliment sir... The VC oversees definitely suits him...
Great topic! I think Bond should wear the Seiko Cocktail Time - it's unique and for the name, if nothing else lol!
lol very true!
This was a really fun discussion. Thanks for doing this. Please use manual exposure on your camera. The video is primarily underexposed but the exposure goes up and down. Gerry in Calgary.
Well my favorite dress watch atm (it aint not freaking rolex) is a citizen eco-drive navihawk, I got this one because it looks like a person would take a watch from the mobsters and where i am now, it is a perfect watch. Thanks guys!
A NATO strap with a suit is just fine if we are talking about a somewhat "tropical" suit. For example, guy in a light colored linen suit would be just fine wearing a military watch on a beige NATO. I think maybe the rule is "if socks are optional with your suit, feel free to wear a NATO". Frankly a Sub would probably look better (in this circumstance) on a NATO than on the bracelet.
When I wear a dive watch I have a vague but definite sense that I'm "on a mission" and I "get my Bond on" which is fun. My automatic dive watch must be "shaken but not stirred."
7A28-7000 is one of your guess cool
guest is what i meant
Bond wears the aqua terra...that's a kinda dress dive watch.
Hello Federico & TGV ! Greetings from Romania
I currently own a AP Royal Oak Yellow Gold White Dial 39mm & an AP Royal Oak Offshore Rose Gold 42mm Rubberclad.I want to add an everyday sport watch but i want it to fit into my collection.My toughts are Platinum Daytona ( but i don t really like the brown on the dial ),116619 WG Submariner ( i think the blue is too blue),Submariner 116610 i love it but the brushed bracelet makes it too raw,GMT Batman (it looks kind of like a toy),and my favourite is Platinum Day Date 40 ( i really like this one but it isn t too sporty)
Overall I am considering a white coloured Rolex ( steel,wg,platinum ) to fit the collection.Preferably with a touch of baby blue.I would like to know what would you choose and what other ideas do you have. love your channel
Thank you in advance,
Andrei Orban
If you discount the various films (and their pay for play) James Bond wears a Rolex Oyster perpetual chronometer on an expanding bracelet (chapter 15, On Her Majesty's Secret Service), in which he breaks the crystal when forced to use the watch in lieu of brass knuckles. Regards,Jacques Chasseur (AKA Jim)
Great video guys! I don't have a dress watch and naturally go toward my sub. I almost dared to wear a Speedy Alaska Project. Out of all the watches I do own, I think my Omega Dynamic on alligator is the closest to dress I have.
love the dynamic!
Avert entertaing video Federico. Bravo👏🏻👏🏻
the nautilus is a grail piece, how could you not want to own one?
my favorite dress piece right now is the silver dial jlc master moon. amazing dress watch.
All great choices...