Fractal Engineering F75 & F65 // QuickSilver // Whoop Improved
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2022
- After days, months and more struggles, finally I have gotten the chance to fly the Fractal Engineered Whoops.
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Hey Nick awesome review! I'm glad you've attributed the credit to QS as well as the frame; I do believe both go hand in hand and it's definitely helped getting the most out of this platform.
A few details I'd like to add,
- Both F65 and F75 measure exactly 65 and 75mm motorpost to motorpost (TM). Only the stance was widened to fit the cam between the front ducts!
- The cam angle is adjustable by friction; you may set it how you like it and it should stay as is. The extra notches are only there to increase friction if it loosens up over time
- Lastly the stack screws are indeed self tapping and might degrade the CF after many cycles, but a drop of CA glue will refresh it enough to go a long way, annnd...
- The bottom plate is unofficially lifetime warrantied, so if you ever manage to break it, reach out to me and I'll fix you a new one ;)
Thank you for taking your time to share your thoughts on it, thank you to all the pilots that shared theirs in the comments and a big big thank you to everyone that supported us, my wife and I, throughout this journey!
Have a fantastic holiday and happy new year!
Good information. Thank you. I am struggling to pin this comment. But I will get it pinned :)
Thank you for the fantastic design. I knew a racing quad would be way beyond my skills as I'm learning. But if I want to really push myself and have a healthy stock of clean underpants I absolutly love ripping this frame! I'm hoping to order a BNF 75 soon in the new year as our weather improves for serious outside rippage. Thanks for the tip on the camera adjustments and what the extra notches are for, I missed that. Plus these things look really cool... If only Happymodel had LEDs on the Diamnond ELRS AIO (looking at my FrSky HM Diamond board) #sadpanda.
@@amin0_acid310 Haha I miss those RGB LEDs too man! Seems like HM removed them after revising the boards for ELRS.
But yep a F75 def might save you some laundry given how tough they are; crash with confidence 😂
@@fractalengineering I'll be charging batteries for my F65 After a dog walk (Trivia part, I named it after the computer in GEM and the holograms, the 80;s one). Never really thought to try and angle the camera a ton, was just happy it was level. I see why the gang at Infinity Loops like it so much. Only part about crashing I'm worried about are these spindly antennas
Thankyou for your work @fractalengineering! I'm really enjoying the 65mm whoop running on webleeds 0702 28000kv's - indoor freestyle has never felt better!
It’s unbreakable. Like no joke these things are STRONG.
I bet I can break it lol
@@testpilotian3188 grab one and try to break it from flying:) I’d like to see you try to break the frame
Hi Nick, Thanks for the kind words on Quicksilver, i feel you got the gist of what we are about pretty much nailed there!
The firmware itself is not strictly micro centric, i fly it on everything, be it whoop or 5in, however many of the core people, including me, are micro enthusiasts, so it might have a slight bias towards them.
Great. I do avoid making contact with designers and coders before forming my own take. Keep it organic or "real". Keep on the QS train. Many great QS testimonies here
Best BnF hands down!
Why is the cliche "hands down", shouldn't it be hands up? Up is positive and down is negative. Just a odd random thought.
This seems *biased* haha
@@NickBurnsFPV hands down means no one has any other opinion on it, saying hands up meaning other people don’t agree with your statement, that’s how I see it at least
@@smiththemyth That is another take I can understand.
@@NickBurnsFPV Haha! Classic dad response. I thought the same though!
Oh man it’s so cool to see the Brds/ Bella/ Yves/ Heads slaps in the thumbnail!!!
The F75 is one of my favorite builds of all time. Competition winning one might say 😅 Mine’s got the heavy but indestructible 1002s and fpv cycle board. Only whoop I’ve never busted a part on. Absolute tank. Everyone should give ‘em a try. 😎🙌
Man that slap sheet was a work of art from Brds; absolutely love it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother!
Good to see you lookin good, Nick!
Had never heard of these. Thanks Nick for the info.
Great flying you are shredding it Great stress test
Great review as always Mr. Burns, thank you for all you do and happy New upcoming Years to you and your loved ones Sir 😊
Nice review Nick, love your honesty on this review. Very crisp flying teehee.
Hi Nick, Those look great. I like the 75, thanks for the video and information.
The fractal 75 quickly became my fav whoop. I recently posted 2 clips on it on my IG. Another great review NB! Always 🔥
Got the 75 conversion kit for my mob 7 - I run it ductless outside and it's a little 1s Freestyle ripper! I love it
Fantastic flying and review, Nick! 😃
Pretty fun little quads! I really liked them!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy new year!
Nick, your flight skills is awesome. Like flying to the forest of Endor. Best flights so far.. 👍👍👍🤙
Solid flying! 4+ mins full speed and did not even crash 👍🏼
So sick to see my stickers on your video! Been flying the f75 since before it was released and its still my favorite whoop to fly! Even using bf it feels so stable and locked in!
Nice. There have been a number of comments on your art work.
Love the 75mm, built it up almost exactly as the BNF except swapped the Foxeer Pico in for the camera. Same quicksilver preset as Heads Mobthicc and man I love it. After a few months of flying nothing has broken yet!
Thats the cleanest analog video I've ever seen!!
I have a video on my setup to get this reception. czcams.com/video/IEZKtWkeELQ/video.html
I've been flying the 75 frame without ducts and with happymodel 1002 20000kv motors it's an absolute lil beast. happy new yr 🔥🔥🤘
Damn that was an impressive flight on the 75 Nick. My stomach flipped and my motion sickness skills are up there.
Probably why I sit to fly, my wife can't watch. Even I try to surprise her with showing her a flight real quick, looks away super fast.
DVR looks great on these!
Best whoop i have ever flown
short and simple. Thank you for your contribution to the review
@@NickBurnsFPV Sorry.....I have flown the 65 for two years and have yet to break it.....Flys like its on rails
HOLY CATFISH!! I'm going to start using that one! Love it lol
Love my fractal 75. It's in liftoff micro drones as well to practice and find ideal rates.
I just got one of the 75’s you were spot on it is the best whoop I’ve ever flown on silverware. Light is right when it comes to this type of quad.
Overall a Great review and one of the reasons I bought one. The same with your 2” toothpick recommendations . Tks 2S setups.
I switched to QS few weeks ago and I already know I won't go back to BF even if someone pays me. Propwash performance and tracking are just outstanding on all of the builds I tried. I highly recommend all whoop pilots to give it a spin! It's worth it! Kudos Quicksilver Team
QuickSilver is pretty good,it has that anti suck to the wall washout feature. I remember Silverware , that was on my very first whoop 6yrs ago that was a betafpv beta lite 65. At that time it was only 40 dollars.I Hope you had a very merry christmas, And A soon to be great newyears.
Lovely review Nick, as always. Thank you on behalf of the team for your kind words on Quicksilver too, it's come a fair way since you last tried it.
If any of your subscribers or commenters need any more info on Quicksilver I am happy to check by and answer them.
Those Fractal frames are absolutely fantastic in design and performance, I fly my F75 and F65 really regularly. and hard with no damage so far. I will be converting the F75 to HDZero soon using the X12 lite fc and a set of longer screws and custom gummies from Yves.
Happy flying and I look forwards to your 2023 videos.
Certainly. Got to show some love for the pure love and dedication of everyone working to make fpv better for all.
Oh yeah. Small spaces can work. My place is a 20' x 20' one-bedroom apartment, and my daily driver's a 100g AUW, 2S, 2-inch whoop. Giddy up.
for sure.
I'm planning on picking up the HDZero version of the 75 in the next couple weeks when I get paid again. They look amazing, can't wait to fly one.
Nice review Nick! I just bought an F75 BNF with the BT2.0. Really cool how they soldered on the BT2.0 to shorten the wires and shed some weight. The connectors in your review don't have that though. I noticed the increased stability of the Quicksilver and F75 preset tune right away, sometimes it feels like angle mode but it isn't. It's different but I like it, definitely helps the quad to go where you point it, very confidence inspiring. I had one issue, emailed Fractal but never heard back, maybe Facebook would have been better. Anyway, mine wouldn't roll over in turtle mode, because the props weren't reversing. Studying up I saw Quicksilver has an auto detect for flip if it is armed upside down, cool feature, you just turn it ON in Quicksilver. Oddly, that works fine, props reverse, quad flips. Cheers!
i ordered the 75mm frame with the extra 2mm bottom plate so i can build a cruisy 1s ducted and a 2s ductless for freestyle and just had them show up in the mail today. i can’t speak on the bnf myself but the frame itself is incredibly solid feeling compared to any other whoop scale frame i’ve bought and i’m super excited to get them built up!!
I build mines 75 8 months ago and to me this is the best woop you can fly. for you to appreciate you have to fly it outside It's incredible.
Hi. I am flying a 75 based on a betafpv FC and a happymodel open vtx. Flies amazing. Tried it both as pusher and normal with the original thumb also.
I cannot stop flying the Fractal 75 since I received it. I think I’ll try Quicksilver although it’s flying really good on BF! Great review Nick!
Sure, save out your cli to return to BF if Quicksilver doesn't suit us.
I've been looking for a whoop that I can tune up to perform indoor freestyle for years. It all started when I joined IGOW a few years ago and started learning flippy floppies on an underpowered betafpv 1s whoop. I had a tough time of it but was hooked. The never-ending journey began, trying to replicate the feeling I got with a 5-inch quad but indoors with a whoop. Following Heads at Infinity Loops and CiottiFPV I found the fractal frames. I added weebleeds 28500kv 0702 motors, a full-size happy model 5 in 1 aio elrs board and some bi blades. Cranked the tune-up in betaflight and wow, this thing flies on rails. Enough power to catch my mistakes, stiff enough to take an aggressive tune. I love it. Thankyou!
I tried to flash quicksilver but could not bind with my elrs tx (running v2.0- elrs). Gave up. Pretty sure I'll need to upgrade to v3 elrs on my tx (and all my rx's) and this should work. Looking forward to feeling the new firmware..
Great review as usual Nick!
update - updated my tx to the latest elrs and I my spi elrs rx bound up no worries :D
Love Fractal!!!
Fractals for the world!!! You won’t break it, I can’t and I crash the hell out of it.
I really like this frame and its durability! I ordered the 75 frame last February and haven't break anything ever since! This is my first whoop recommendation at the moment, especially for beginners.
I only had two small issues with it:
- The battery always slides out of the mounting loops in a crash, so I have to use rubber band to keep it there, which adds another 1g or so and the frame is not the lightest one even with the diamond board. So I wish Yves makes a version 2 of this frame with the battery mounted from left to right instead of front to back.
- When I first received it, I just used a FC from my old whoop. It was BetaFPV 1S AIO. And the problem was that USB port was sticking out the bottom too much, so I couldn't insert the battery. I had to add extra washers underneath the FC to lift it up a bit and also some rubber pads on the bottom side of the frame to add extra space. Having the battery mounted sideways would've also prevented this issue.
Apart from this - the frame is amazing and I guess unbreakable. I crashed it a lot and pretty hard and I only replaced props so far. I use it with happymodel 0802 19000kv, a diamond FC with ELRS and a Foxeer Pico cam. It's flies fantastic and gives you much more confidence to fly aggressively.
I fly it on Betaflight 4.3 though.. I tried Quicksilver and it flies great on it as well, but the biggest issue for me was that I killed two brand new batteries on the first two flights. I don't know why. I set it as it was recommended by devs for 1s, but still ended up with the whoop falling at some point because the voltage suddenly dropped to 2.5v. As I can see you kind of had a similar problem.
Another thing was that I couldn't make the 16:9 camera work. The image was squeezed to 4:3, but OSD fonts were ok, so I guess it is something with support for 16:9 cameras and there's nothing in settings or in Quicksilver docks. So I rolled back to Betaflight and absolutely happy about it. I don't see that much of a difference in flight performance, but at least I have much more experience with it and know what I need to tune and how. Maybe I'll give the QS another try one day, but I'll use BF for now.
Yves has been combing through the comments. I did note in one of his responses a new beta battery mounting. I might be worth it to make contact to see about testing this as well.
Best Whoops EVER!
Love my fractal. Was thinking of getting a 2nd one, but seems mine is bulletproof!
I am hearing a lot in the comments that they are very very durable or as you put it bulletproof.
After flying my F75 I doubt I'll ever fly any other Whoop. Yes, it's just that good!
just done with any whoop none fractal huh? Do you know if they are allowed in whoop races?
@@NickBurnsFPV haha yeah I like my Fractal that much 🤣 Sorry though, I don’t know any rules about racing… I’m just a freestyle ripper/basher.
@@saggyballsfpv gotcha. yea, most of us are the same with those lucky ducks that are close to race chapters :)
Another thing about quicksilver is that it's codebase is also very clean compared to betaflight etc.. with lot less legacy baggage..., very easy to understand and modify to your needs..
Great review, great whoop.
I'm flying on a F75 on x12 and various 802's. After a hundred packs or so...
Tracks amazingly well, i think the squashed-x really shines here. Also tough as anything. I have broken ducts, all v4 mob ducts, always at the joint by the motor. It's3.99 for 4 so no big expense and i rip hard and crash hard. I use holders for 450 and put a rubber band across extra for 300's. I wish the spkies where just a little larger to hold bands better. The tpu works well, but only for its exact battery size. honestly think a rubber band is quicker when you're burning through packs. Also lost the self tapping screws for the fc after repeated abuse, just using 2 now. Camera mount has held up 100% Definitely love this quad and the clever design that's gone into it. There is a vid of mine flying on my channel, check it out.
I believe Mr. Fractal has been working on two different beta battery mounts, one to mount side to side and another that holds more batteries better. here in the comments he sent that response to another comment. I believe he also asked if they would like to test it out.
Looks fun...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
Yo Nick!
I had to laugh, when you said, you can hear the warnings and such and that it´s very annoying to you.
Here the same...😅
Basicly everybody have this. The ones more than others.
It´s called "audiovisual integration", and actually it´s a cool phenomenon.
It shows us, that sounds can getting created by our brains, only with visual waves.
The animated gif, with that jumping voltage towers, are a good example for this.
What all in all means, that there is no existing sound anywhere if a tree falls in the forest, or such....
...until the waves collide with a brain.
Have two quicksilver Mobthiccs, they're fantastic. Those frames add more confidence, knowing you're not gonna have to replace a broken frame, only maybe just a broken duct and that's a piece of cake.
Ah the infinityloops thicc builds. Noice.
Funny, I put Quixksikver on one of my Whoops last week and after 5 packs decided the switch the entire fleet over, it just flies so well and I’m fed up with having to replace frames every week (the Quicksilver whoop was the only one that didn’t brake a frame last weekend).
The only thing I think that is better is crash recovery in Emuflight works better, but I literally don’t care about that as I’m not crashing so much with Quicksilver lol.
I haven't tested crash recovery yet. I have seen it in videos, looks pretty slick, could help keep me from getting stuck under a door frame or those situations where I can't turtle out.
I already have the Fractal 75 frame! Waiting on the Avatar Lite kit to arrive to build!
Nice to see some more information about Quiksilver. Infinity Loops talks about it, but there wasn’t much more information I could find about it.
Quicksilver is a bit of an "under ground" firmware. Small but strong group
woah! never heard of these guys, or the firms ways but, wow...the 65mm looked like it tracked and flew super nice just from seeing the dvr. ill def be going with these guys with with my next few micro purchases.
Fractal is very popular within the whoop community. Typically easier to get the frame kits than a bind and fly.
@@NickBurnsFPV awesome! I usually fly 5inch freestyle quads, but I've been wanting to get into micros for a little while now. Seems easier to rip more places without causing such a ruckus 🤣
@@gogglesfpv7986 micros do open up the fly spots.
I have both 75 and 65 and in my opinion the best 1s frames you can get today!
I have the x12 board, I use it on a 2s 3" toothpick, it's been amazing. I put betaflight 4.3 on it, rpm filtering, and took 3 packs to tune it BEAUTIFULLY. Auw is around 85g on 450 2s. 79g with a 350 2s. I'm using 1204, 8000kv.
Nice, seems like a ripper build
Hi Nick! I ordered the 75 with 25000kv and x12 a few days ago. It will take some time to get here to the Netherlands.... I can't wait to get it!!!
Something to look forward to and let the anticipation build build :)
:)
My whoop of choice now running hdz and will be posting videos of it once the weather improves here in the UK. Getting lots of indoor practice in for the meantime. Great and fair review though Nick 🎈🤡
I believe fractal is working on HDZero BNF as well.
@@NickBurnsFPV that is correct. I just copied his build
excellent review sir! I love my fractal builds! I have 2 mobthicc Heads builds and a fat boy x12 on the 2mm plate with crossfire and a true rc antenna for 75mm builds 1 65mm and I'm currently waiting for a 65mm bnf. I'm hooked on the fractal frames. highly recommended
Thank you. Appreciate the additional input.
@@NickBurnsFPV love them, the additional durability is definitely a bonus! I'm destroying alot less parts on these frames. the screws hold up in the carbon fiber really well. the diamond boards seem to work well when they work but in my experience it's 50/50 if they work. of the 7 I've purchased 2 were doa 1 dropped out of the sky first flight and one died configuring it just plugged into usb no soldering yet. but the other 3 have several flights and are good enough for me to keep buying them. x12 is like a tank though I only killed 1 crash ripped off battery lead and it contacted the board elsewhere and burned out.
@@isaacmitchell7780 Thanks Isaac, got your order prepared btw with a little surprise mr. gnb boi :D And I concur with your thoughts on the DF4; I've had LOTS of duds, but once repaired and/or I got a good one, I know it'll last a while. All my BNF are stress and flight tested before shipping so that should take care of that part :)
@@fractalengineering you spoil me sir! thank you so much! I love your work!!!
"just entre the passphrase into the Gouwee" ^^ took me a good minute
yes, phrased wrong. Sorry
@@NickBurnsFPV no worry ^^ it just made me smile
It's nice seeing a treadmill used fir something other than a cloths rack lol.
Lol we use it to walk on as well 😂
I have not flown the BNF but I moved a Mob7 with tiny whoop 25000kv motors onto the fractal frame and it might be by new favorite backyard/play set ripper.
There is something about the mix of carbon and still prop protection that makes them feel different.
Thanks for the Vid. I ended up with the 65mm frame kit. I used the Happy Model elrs Diamond board, Beta Flight 4.3 and some happy model 702 26000kv motors. It reminds me of my old 350cc 2-Stroke sports bikes from the late 80's. I don't fly it as much as I'd like, even at the lowest camera angle (for a newbie like me) it's fast, but as my skils improve I take it out more ovten. I love the feel though, tried a few canopy's from thingaverse, I'm goign to go back to the one it comes with (it was fun to experiment). This Channel got me to Infinity Loops and I saw Heads fly this and ordered one. I think I'm going to order a 75mm bnf in the new year. I like both 65 and 75mm formats, and I'm also curious to fly one as the builder intended. Highly recomend these kits, I can only guess the prebuilt quad is amazing (Watch the video to see how he get's those motors connected, really takes his time and puts a lot of pride into these builds, amazing). Enjoy both Fractal quads, it was great to see you fly them. One day I hope to rip around my condo like you do, slowly getting there. Cheers!
It’s a great whoop, I got the fractal 65 frame with the happymodel elrs F4 2g4 aio on 0802 25000 kv and it flies great on betaflight but I’m gone switch to quicksilver later.
Would it be your first time using QuickSilver?
@@NickBurnsFPV yeah so I’m curious how it will preform
@@apachesmokewoundedsniper yea, give it a go. Take a cli backup of your betaflight config first so you can go back if needed.
woot woot!
Fantastic job on both flights and the review on both frames Nick👍👍😎😎👍👍 Hey many mah's was you running on both the 75 and 65??
Thank you. Its a bit hard to see on the batteries, but if we pause at 4:44 we see the mah, on the 65mm I use a 300mah on the 75mm I use a 450mah.
@@NickBurnsFPV Cool thanks Nick😁😁
Hi Nick,
Fractal frames are my recommendation to anyone wanting to whoop around. I had less AIO failures, less broken whoops... but as many motor burned and as many camera destroyed...
Some comments:
The battery holder gets quite stretched over time. I have many batteries spanning from 450 to 530mAh and some are wider than others (by 0.5mm?). That's enough to make the hold not as good over time. I'd love to use some rubber bands instead. I'd love to toilet tank my batteries too :) Mr. Fractal, maybe a slight change for the next iteration?
The camera holder is surprisingly good, even with ANT lite cameras that have the plug.
I'm using the old 3 blades props that gave you more efficiency in an old video. I actually prefer these for indoors, as you can turn more aggressively.
As for the diamondF4, I had one with horrible video noise coming from the factory, The issue was in one of the caps immediately above ground pin for the battery. It was not properly soldered in the factory and I could see the lack of solder on one end. Happymodel asked me to send it back to them for repair, but that costs a bleeding fortune from my place... Eventually I repaired it myself, but that was a heck of a job... Within maybe 15 flights it died. I contacted HM again and they agreed to send me a new FC, which was really kind. That one has been flying fantastic ever since (board dated November 22)
much good information there. Thank you so much. Certain helps anyone needing more Fractal experiences.
thank you for your detailed feedback, very nice to hear how it holds up over time.
About your lipo holder issue I might even have a solution for this already 😄
Check out the "universal 450mAh" strap file in the downloads section of the shop; it's got a corrugated front loop that I designed to fit the smaller lipos, as well as stretch to fit the larger ones. Just print it out or find a friend to do it for you (or I'd be happy to toss you a couple with your next order)
It is still in development too, so I'm happily taking feedbacks on it
@fractalengineering Thanks for the offer 😀
I was looking into strapping a small rubber band between a front screw and the back one... Since I've built mine like Heads, I'd need to add a front screw....
this is the next whoop on my list when i break my current go to’s. Only problem is my current builds haven’t been breaking! It’s insane 10weeks on racegow on the same whoop…
That might be a record :) Knock on wood immediately :)
@@NickBurnsFPV Its not like i didn’t try. I flew it in HEAVY fogger juice and freestyled like crazy over hardwood. 1000’s of crashes and it’s a bit beatup but flys great! haha
You’re right though i probably jynxd myself
A waive to everyone who checked their phone @ 9:09 in this video because of the notification chime.
The 65 was on my list of frames to buy, and it still is ,but I put the mobula6 on my wish list, and Santa brought me one, although with the 19000kv motors instead of the 25000, but Santa did well.
nice to get fpv stuff from santa. Such a nice guy :)
I’ve been running Quicksilver exclusively for a while now - it is by far the best firmware for angle, though I know a few people have switched back to Betaflight for acro due to the lack of crash recovery
I have heard about crash recovery but don't use it. I have not used it as I most bnf don't come with it on so I don't want to confuse viewers. They might think I have some super hero level reflexes. :)
@@NickBurnsFPV I haven’t used crash recovery either, as I’m an angle pilot for whoop racing, but the people I know that use it say it’s magical. Though once you start getting anywhere near RAB speed it just can’t keep up and is more of a hinderance.
Not sure if I posted my input on the 65 size but here’s my input excellent out of box the acro tune is like flying my 3” quick silver or beta that’s been a preference from the birth of both I race whoops and I bought this cuz I kept breaking my mob6’s so I heard the fractal was way more durable and thus far it is however I fly weird rates in angle mode and couldn’t get it to feel like my mob6 useing quick silver so I dumped it and put beta on it and it flies just like I’m used too I did save the quick silver firmware though cuz in acro wow
I have both F65 and F75, and they are both tanks! I have crashed and based them both and they keep on ticking. Word from Mr. Fractal is that the slap sheet has a future purpose with the number on the sticker
Awesome to hear it, and absolutely true about the slap sheet serial I'll be announcing something soon!
The open board is nice, but parts may break ...The diamond board, in my experience, needs a good batterie. If your batterie is old but works with other whoops it can cause problems with the diamond board.
TIL: "Holy catfish!"
lol, TM, copyrighted :)
Getting the 65mm frame to build with the crown 65 frame, what do you reccomend for parts? I was thinking screamer motors and a runcam camera, but idk what i should get as for a aio, i run elrs.
At this time we have to look at what is available and if we have a vtx we have on hand or can get as well. There is so much out of stock with potentially long wait for restock....vtx chip shortage.
The sound of the motors on this whoop, or 0802 motors in general, compared to the 1002 drashark motor sound; which one sounds more silent to you?
to my ears the difference is in props and the quad cell count used. Biblades tend to be more noisy than triblades.
just get about 2:30min flighttime with my fireflywhoop65mm whoop on 380 gnb. stop flying at 3,3V. how low can i go while flying so that i end on 3,5V?
have a nice new year!
That is a fair variable to recovery to 3.5volts. What I do is tinker with the battery warning voltage. What I am looking for is the voltage when I am not on the throttle all that much, flying straight and flat, that voltage is what I watch. Depending on the weight of the quad and its effcientcy and the battery weight we find the end flight while flying flat that allows us to end/disarm at 3.5 volts.
Thanks for the informative review. Serious question: How do you keep from getting motion sick? I've been flying a bit indoors lately and can only manage a couple of minutes before nausea sets in. Stay well.
Its been a good while, but I do recall having it a bit when I started. I think its something most get used to. Maybe just take a break until the nausea eases then go for the next flight.
My friend had same problem. Take your time but keep flying. Take pause like Nick said. You eventually get use to it.
@@JeromeDemers Thanks for the encouragement. I'll keep at it.
My mobula6 with 0802 19k is acting up since i did the conversion. It has almoat no power, and hovers at over 5a. Im lucky to get right at 2min flight. Seems like its under-propped. Idk
Edit: it has the original bi-blade props that came with it. Ordered some gemfan 3/4 blades. Hope it helps
Hey Nick! Love the reviews, but I have a little request: when you say that a board has built in ELRS can you also let us know what interface the receiver is using? I know that on the HaMo Diamond it's an SPI, but a lot of the newer boards(like the GOKU Versatile F405 2S 12A AIO) are using a UART to avoid the ELRS SPI issues. I know BF4.4 fixes the issue, but it's probably going to come up again at some point so it would be nice to know without having to dig around the net.
Thats a fair point. I will keep that in mind.
The latest QS 0.9.5 supports ELRS 3 with SPI. If you want ELRS 2.x you need older QS 0.9.1
Than, if I want just indoor flying, less power but same agility the 65 could be a good choice over the 75 ?
65 will have less thrust with 31mm props.
Those look nice. I wonder if I fly outdoors you could lose the ducts? I broke(got run over) a cockroach and the carbon fiber piece was saves and wondered why there’s no >75mm toothpicks
yes, we can take the ducts off and fly it. It would be best to have motors with 1.5mm motor shafts though
Dang it! I just bnought the M7 1s ELRS. Turns out Im always on full throttle in turns, since I love racing in the house like you do. Guess this is the Whoop for racing to get? Is there something better to buy for only racing a tight course?
Size of the whoop will depend on the race space. If the M7 is full throttle I am guessing its a really large space, like bigger than my house, or your skills are really top notch. With that, we can get props that have more blades and/or higher pitch. This will reduce flight time and potentially need a pid tune tweak. Otherwise we can replace motors for higher kv to get more speed, but again flight time will decrease some.
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks for the detailed answer. I‘ll try 3 Bladed Props but still bought the Fractal. I think the weight of 24g of the Mob7 is just a bit too heavy to be as close as nimble as the F75 is. Thanks for the review. I enjoyed it a lot!
i still cant figure out how to bind up the x12 unfortunately with elrs. ive tried everything multiple times and it just doesnt want to connect
There is likely 1 primary barrier. The ELRS RX and TX need to be on the same major version. So if one is set to version 2.5 and the other to version 3, they can't bind. Unfortunately with AIO and SPI elrx RX the version is part of betaflight and I don't believe there is a way to identify which version. I believe happymodel is shipping their quads and components with ELRS v2.x, so I would start with flashing your radio module to ELRS version 2.5 and try binding after that. Don't forget to update/replace the lua script that controls the elrs on the radio. They too are version specific.
@@NickBurnsFPV i figured it out by flashing the firmware from DLLarson and it bound right up. thanks for the info and help
16:02 I’ve had 2 x12s go up in flames. Literally… They were on the mob7 1s hd. If you HV lipo those with bt2.0 the vbat lights up the blackbox logger and the whole thing starts on fire.
dang with 1S??
@@fractalengineering yes!? They wired up the open loger really weird.
It happened first when i tried 2s with throttle scale. I caught it fast enough the x12 was fine after removing the logger.
The 1s ones i didn’t expect it to happen on and it kept flying while on fire until the battery caught and the whole thing went up fast
@@Shauny_D ohh interesting I'm just seeing now the Openlager seems to be rated for up to 4.35v and has an onboard voltage booster for hd cam; very odd
@@fractalengineering yah but they ran the power from battery to the logger first then to fc and hd split cam so it would take all the voltage spikes. I couldn’t believe it was wired that way. I have no idea why 🤷🏻♂️
oh maybe fit the hd cam V booster you mentioned.
it didn’t work! haha
Nick, have you tried flying the 65 on 270 mAh 1S instead of 300? I followed AngryDon recs, night and day difference! Felt like a different quad.
I haven't yet, but I have some tiny whoop 270s on order. I am hearing its a better mix for 65mm whoops.
What's another really good ducted 75mm whoop most similar to the fractal 75?
mobula7, meteor75 pro are the first two that come to mind.
Maybe this is a dumb question but is it possible to use the 75mm frame with HM 1102 1000kv swinging 2023 props and the X12, I'm trying to build a TKS rocket race but I don't have any way of getting it for a reasonable price in Australia, it would be like 50aud shipped for one :( any other recommendations on a 2 inch toothpick frame that's available on AliExpress or Banggood I've looked everywhere
Its likely possible, some of the challenges. The props are going to overlap the FC/AIO, we would need to ensure the AIO is mounted lower than the prop line and that nothing from the AIO is going to be hit by props. The next challenge is camera mounting. A traditional canopy probably isn't going to work all that well as the canopy mounting points will likely all need to be under the prop line. We could design a special canopy that is super low profile under the prop line and the camera mount in the center of the AIO. We could also design a camera mount to go under the prop line in the front.
@@NickBurnsFPV HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM AUSTRALIA! Thank you for your response, tbh might be too hard, any suggestions for frames to fly those components paired with the nano tech 300s? They are batteries I can get for a reasonable price, also what are your thoughts on the CNHL ministar 2s 350mah HV? I kinda gotta build around the battery ahahah
@@youhannawahba1268 maybe the flywoo nano baby, or the new happymodel bassline. CNHL under label the capacity and are heavier than there counter parts. Not a fan for micros.
@@NickBurnsFPV I'll have another look thank you for Ur suggestions :) I'm a fan love the channel and the consistency with how you review stuff makes for a great watch and easy comparisons
Interesting frame I don't have them neet to see more of them.
Check out infinity loops youtube channel or do the ole youtube search for fractal engineering, or fractal whoop. Should be a number of videos and different builds.
Find the Infinity loops channel on CZcams.
@@NickBurnsFPV found it next favourite channel
I built the 66
Mm. Used the f4 full sized board. Had to flip it upside down. Figured out how to turn it 180% in bf. But now I have to rearrange the motor order. Having a problem with that.
Betaflight can also reorder the motors without haven't to remap them manually. There is a wizard in the top left of the motors page.
@@NickBurnsFPV thanks. I'll look into that.
I'm wondering do the ducts really need to be on there? Maybe you can take them off and fly them for a week and let us know how it works out!
For inside flight I do suggest leaving the ducts on. The risk with taking them off for outside flight is the 1mm motor shafts. They tend to get bent or broken on crashes. We do have the option to get 1.5mm motor shaft motors in the 0802 size from happymodel, that would be my recommendation if flying without the prop protection is desired.
I built an Ultra Mini digital Ripper and didn't put on the ducts. Flies great, but crashes a ton more cuz every single little tiny tap of anything, and it's tapping those props, so instant crash! 🤷
Still, imagine how lightweight these are without the ducts! A whoop frame weighs about 4 grams, so the 65mm is somewhere around 15 - 16 grams without ducts. 😉👍
Plus, fly that 75mm with the 300mah lipo! What the hell? Why when he flies a 75mm, does the lipo have to go up in mah, and weight, approx.50%? IT DOESN'T!
Keep them as light as possible. 😎🤘
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Hmm, hadn’t heard of Quicksilver - is it significantly different than emuflight?
yea, emuflight is based on betaflight 3.5.7, or it was they might have rebranched. Quicksilver I believe is written from the ground up.
Cool, thanks 🙏🏼
anyone knows how to keep the motor spinning when arming ? my motor not spinning when on 0 throttle,
we need to enable air mode, I suggest turning it on in the betaflight configuration application on the configuration page there is a slider for air mode, this means its on all the time.
I already flash to quicksilver :(@@NickBurnsFPV
Hey Nick, any chance you could build an HDZero F75?
Its always possible. In the moment I don't have it scheduled, not that I schedule much. I need a camera mount for the hdzero cam...maybe the stock will work. Need to give it a try first.
@@NickBurnsFPV awesome thanks for your reply. Looking forward to see that
I've had better luck with the full size Happymodel ELRS flight controller. The Diamond version is hit or miss. Alot of people, including myself have experienced bad flight characteristics and excessive electrical noise with the Diamond board.
I love the F4 ELRS on the F75, I offer it as an option; the extra control and video range you get from the improved antennas and VTX has been a blast. Seems more robust too
Mr. Fractal himself also commented on the diamond board issue.
@@fractalengineering How much more weight?
@@marksherman630 about 2g according to my quick measurement
Hello Nick, Have you started flying Analog on HDZero goggles yet?
oh yes...On the HDZero goggles using my rapidfire module for the video receiver.
Interpreter: Burnsy, have you started flying Analog on ANALOG2 yet? 🤷🙄
@@NickBurnsFPV and what is your opinion about it? When can we expect your review? 😜
@@w1llyFPV ah that I will have to wait for the video. I suspect I will have it out next week. Have a big weekend of flying different quads planned.
Wow! Mr. Fractal doesn't want too much for his BNF's, does he?! 😲🤪 ...And no coupon code on those, either. Damn, the better part of $200. Guys, just build up yer own! 😎🤘
My Fractal Frames R Fantastically Fun!
Last time I ordered, you could buy the thin or thick frames and add the opposite, thick with thin carbon fiber, for a lot less money if you bought them all at once. I didn't look to see if they are still selling that way, but you get a much better deal if you add that second frame with the first one. Anyway, look into that!
Highly recommended! 😎🤘
Well done video, Burnsy! And a Happy New Year, Bro! 👍
with the time needed to build, tune, and test I think his margins are actually really low. Not to mention they're really not charging a ton more than the kits.
What are alternative 1s 450mah Batteries for the none US people?
I use cnhl 450mah and they have been really good. I'm in Australia and get them from the cnhl Australia website...
Yea, its hard to know what batteries are available across the globe. I would look seriously at Tattu batteries, some maybe aliexpress if your in country shops don't carry them.
Note: There's no reason at all to fly with much heavier 450mah 1s lipos when the 75mm only weighs less than 2 grams more than the 65mm!
KEEP WHOOPS ULTRALIGHT!!!
You'll get sufficient flight time with the much lighter 300mah.
"It's all about weight with whoops!"
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How can you not compare these to moblite7/6? These had to be compared 😔
Comparing every quad or category of quad I have reviewed would be an insurmountable task and such a long video. Even comparing the most recent would be super long. I leave the comparing for the viewers.
@@NickBurnsFPV well, fair point. But still, if you had to own only one, which one would you pick?
@@kaskalo2 Fractal for sure.
@@NickBurnsFPV I am thinking of acquiring another whoop (i will have to check the prices though...) and i missed that giveaway video, making me sad, so i give myself right to bother you with one more question 😊 Just shortly (disregard comparability) which one would you pick this fractal or meteor 85?
@@kaskalo2 for indoor fractal 100% for outdoor meteor 85, but if mixed indoor and outdoor flight fractal would be the choice as the meteor 85 isn't viable in most indoor spaces.
I've had 3 X12's, all defective. :(
Have there been any that worked normally?
@@NickBurnsFPV Not for me
The frames are pretty awesome. The camera canopy is 💩. Absolutely hate the canopy.
That's one way to not only protect your camera, but also keep it ultra lightweight.
Remember:
"It's all about weight with whoops."
Other canopies, that are on top, are way, Way too heavy!
Just look at that thin tpu camera mount and marvel at that low of weight holding your camera solid! Brilliant! It's one of the very best features of these Fractal frames!!! 😎🤘
@@KOrnhOliO1 even trimming the duct guards i can still see them in the camera view. The camera is always crooked, especially after any crash. There are a long list of lightweight canopies that provide some protection and better view and mounting. Personally, the canopy is the only reason i don’t fly mine often. I would prefer adding .5 grams and increasing the risk of damaging a $17 camera then to continue using the original gstring canopy.
@@TheBattery00 Well I don't know what top mounted canopy doesn't leave the prop guards in view at the bottom without absurd uptilt. But you can totally add one yourself if you like; the mounting holes are compatible.
One of the main points of that lowrider setup would be that it doesn't require a canopy to protect the camera, because the ducts take care of that
Lastly if your cam holder loosens up there are provisions for extra nothes on the strap, so you may pull it one extra notch to tighten it up and it should be solid again :)
It also provides a bit of give would you ever hit a pole head on; I don't remember ever getting a feedback of broken cam on those frames
Either way, I love to see custom builds based on that frame so good for you if you found one that's not 💩 to you :D
@@TheBattery00 Well, just don't use this camera mount! There are a ton of mounts you can use instead. :)
@@fractalengineering i wish i could just use any other canopy. The usb on the diamond doesn’t allow for majority of molded canopy’s to fit the mounting. I’ve tried a few molded types. Haven’t tried any printed yet. Even though i do hate the canopy, I’ve purchased multiple items from fractal an have left only 5star reviews. I love the company, i love the products. Im not going to pretend i love that canopy. I know i can’t be the only one that loves everything but that canopy.