Vivek Chibber: Imperialism, Orientalism and Social Emancipation

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  • This is the first annual Imperialism and Culture lecture hosted by the Centre for Colonial and Postcolonial Studies at the University of Kent
    This new annual lecture series aims to revisit the question of culture and imperialism in postcolonial studies. By bringing capitalism and class back in, it reframes dominant conceptions of imperial power in the humanities, and advances alternative interrogations of empire and culture.
    Vivek Chibber is Professor of Sociology at New York University and delivered his lecture, Imperialism, Orientalism and Social Emancipation at the University of Kent on the 21st March 2019.

Komentáře • 70

  • @feynmanschwingere_mc2270
    @feynmanschwingere_mc2270 Před 3 lety +25

    Brilliant, Brilliant, Brillaint. He's a brilliant thinker and writer. Awesome lecture, should have way more views.

  • @deantunkara1567
    @deantunkara1567 Před 3 lety +9

    I actually clapped at the end of this highly informative and entertaining lecture. Also, mention of or reference to the work of Franz Fanon would not have gone amiss.

  • @Nieosoba
    @Nieosoba Před 4 lety +18

    great lecture, very clear depiction.
    he is so right about Said. His book is marvelous but also so so deeply entrench in colonialism the same with Spivak, magnificent author but also so deeply entrenched in those oriental conceptions.

    • @gripezinhas4619
      @gripezinhas4619 Před 3 lety +1

      "in those oriental conceptions"? What is meant by that? That sounds very (to use Said's term) 'orientalist' and maybe eurocentric..?
      I mean, i ask myself how much colonialism your quote reproduces?

    • @elbarca223
      @elbarca223 Před 3 lety +7

      I am tired of these Indian scholars who critique (justifiably) imperialism, orientalism, and colonialism, but do not say a word about the Caste system in the country they are from. These privileged academics and scholars criticize colonialism but do not do and speak of anything against the curse of the caste system. Most of these scholars are from the upper caste. The question is why. Why they do not write to reject the demonizing narrative of the caste system?

    • @scottmcloughlin4371
      @scottmcloughlin4371 Před 2 lety +1

      @@gripezinhas4619 Watch the presentation. Focus. Use a pen and take notes. You missed the point of this lecture.

    • @ramj0y
      @ramj0y Před 2 lety +1

      @@elbarca223 this is so important a criticism because this repriorotizes culture and it's material effects as the object which conditions social relations. We really need to give up on utopian ideas that there is a best way forward. Absolutely, materialism matters especially in the basic needs of the poor, but the the reproduction of culture also matters. However, his critique of subaltern studies is important but can be significantly sharper looking through caste.

    • @CrazyAl1991
      @CrazyAl1991 Před 2 lety +3

      @@elbarca223 Dude, if you paid any attention to the talk you would know this guy is obviously against the caste system. He is arguing that those traditional ways of life like the caste system, that were beneficial for both the local ruling classes in the colonies and their foreign colonizers, were fostered by the latter when they decided to move from a transformative program of colonization that pretended to develop the colonies into industrial hubs, as in the west have been done, to a new program whose ideological framework rests on the belief that east and west are fundamentally different, because the first transformative approach was provoking too much political stirring that was a menace to their maintenance of power and control over their colonies. I haven't watched the entire talk yet but I know this.

  • @kreyvegas1
    @kreyvegas1 Před 3 lety +10

    A really impressive talk; it has put many points under the correct light for me. Thank you !!

  • @scottmcloughlin4371
    @scottmcloughlin4371 Před 2 lety +8

    Fantastic presentation. Worth watching two or three times.

  • @Yo911Mamma
    @Yo911Mamma Před 6 měsíci

    this talk and vivek are just something else man. wow

  • @xrellerx
    @xrellerx Před 2 lety +1

    Going out with a BANG!

  • @kintarooe8622
    @kintarooe8622 Před rokem

    thank you, mr. chibber.

  • @MR-xl5ni
    @MR-xl5ni Před 2 lety +1

    Very impressively articulated realities

  • @zviben-dorbenite3751
    @zviben-dorbenite3751 Před 5 lety +7

    Great talk

  • @drjaydeepchakrabarty
    @drjaydeepchakrabarty Před 3 lety +6

    Actually Said's critique of Anglo-French colonialism and American Imperialism has often been misunderstood as cases for inverse cultural ascendancy on the part of the "Orirntals." That was not his purpose. Even in his good old Orientalism these were said, but formulated with greater clarity in successive works. Especially in his last major critical work Humanism and Democratic Criticism. Said's critique of western culture and imperialism is not an argument for replacing those phenomena by oriental culture and imperialism, but for an inclusive humanism.

    • @drongo6367
      @drongo6367 Před 11 měsíci

      Chibber is a little bit sloppy with Said (though his general critiques of postcolonial studies as a politically neutered outgrowth of the academy still stands). In Culture and Imperialism (1993), Said clarifies that culture does not, in fact, cause empire, but rather, that material struggles are reflected in cultural representations. He actually briefly discusses the role of capitalism in empire in parts of that book. So while Chibber is right that Said’s reliance on foucaldian frameworks of power (which figure prominently in Orientalism and others) misunderstand empire, to say that Said rejected materialism is just wrong. It’s a tension in his work for sure, but if you read anything from Said on foreign policy or Palestine, he used materialist analyses (oil, American global hegemony, etc). He was actually friends with Chomsky in part because their work intersected so much on Israel-Palestine and foreign policy.

  • @oro7114
    @oro7114 Před 2 lety +2

    What scares me about the economic segment is that I can fully imagine the private sector simply dominating these new industries, controlling the house,health and transport of newly trained workers and having huge workforces indebted to them.

    • @comradetrip5958
      @comradetrip5958 Před 2 lety

      Yes, when the Green New Deal proposed by AOC is dependent on the overthrow of the Bolivian government and the deregulation of the mining industry in a largely indigenous country so a company like Tesla can dominate their lithium supply, it doesn't sound very Green or anti-Capitalist.

  • @seatangle
    @seatangle Před 2 lety +3

    "You can't have racial oppression without class oppression." Seems obvious, but really cuts through a lot.

  • @bell_u.sanchezh
    @bell_u.sanchezh Před 4 lety +17

    Amazing talk, very informative and thought provocative

    • @elbarca223
      @elbarca223 Před 3 lety +1

      I am tired of these Indian scholars who critique (justifiably) imperialism, orientalism, and colonialism, but do not say a word about the Caste system in the country they are from. These privileged academics and scholars criticize colonialism but do not do and speak of anything against the curse of the caste system. Most of these scholars are from the upper caste. The question is why. Why they do not write to reject the demonizing narrative of the caste system?

    • @CrazyAl1991
      @CrazyAl1991 Před 2 lety +4

      @@elbarca223 Dude, if you paid any attention to the talk you would know this guy is obviously against the caste system. He is arguing that those traditional ways of life like the caste system, that were beneficial for both the local ruling classes in the colonies and their foreign colonizers, were fostered by the latter when they decided to move from a transformative program of colonization that pretended to develop the colonies into industrial hubs, as in the west have been done, to a new program whose ideological framework rests on the belief that east and west are fundamentally different, because the first transformative approach was provoking too much political stirring that was a menace to their maintenance of power and control over their colonies. I haven't watched the entire talk yet but I know this.

  • @CraigDeLarge
    @CraigDeLarge Před 2 lety

    Does one feel oppressed if it is not defined for them? 🤔
    Insightful for sure. Enlightening even.

  • @mareksicinski3726
    @mareksicinski3726 Před rokem

    49:34 ‘the’- dubious
    An important moment in thsi area dk history for understanding later history. It was presaged

  • @mareksicinski3726
    @mareksicinski3726 Před rokem

    14:44 or of thsi variant of orientalist
    There is gradation, orie talos m can just mean study of one area by another, it can be critical, contra sadi

  • @oceanbearmountain
    @oceanbearmountain Před 2 lety +3

    that first question i was like.. what? what is she trying to say/ask? and then chibber was like "i don't understand" so yeah, wtf

  • @jancoil4886
    @jancoil4886 Před rokem +1

    Said takes a lot of flak for Orientalism (some of it justified) but he was and is so much more than just one book. You get the sense that the essence of Said is some form of democratic humanism.
    Given what is going on in the world today any form of humanism would be welcome.

    • @Syychro
      @Syychro Před rokem

      What is the politics of this type of democratic humanism? Who organizes it and what is it organized for?

  • @esta8651
    @esta8651 Před rokem

    Interesting

  • @afeefahmed9626
    @afeefahmed9626 Před 2 lety +1

    where can we find the text of this lecture?

  • @mareksicinski3726
    @mareksicinski3726 Před rokem

    31:06 there were different structures within them
    There were tons of different ideologies and movements, the issue was not consciously trying not to be alone, but trying to didn’t hints that fit their image, while at the same time some levels made sens
    I would say this is very partial
    A lot do the movements esp agains they Vietnam war was extremely diverse ideologically an internet terms of specific positions
    ‘Marxism’ can be many things it shouldn’t be vlaiursed
    The structure of academia has a lot for lack

  • @akshithau4614
    @akshithau4614 Před 3 lety +5

    It would be amazing if you guys provided either subtitles or a link to the manuscript of this speech for more accessibility

    • @nirbhaynandan72
      @nirbhaynandan72 Před 3 lety

      turn on CC you idiot!! the more you are given the more ask for....u got easy access to these lecture but noe u want fucking transcript.

    • @kreyvegas1
      @kreyvegas1 Před 3 lety +2

      @@nirbhaynandan72 The first three words in your comment were enough. The rest is senseless, violent crap. It sounds like you're capable of committing some fucked up crime.

  • @bishnucharandash6583
    @bishnucharandash6583 Před 2 lety

    Insighful

  • @Simon-hp4py
    @Simon-hp4py Před 4 lety

    25:30

  • @ezrouramohamed3631
    @ezrouramohamed3631 Před 4 lety +7

    Nice lecture, but definitely misreading E.Said. For Said there are no essentials neither in the West nor in the East. He is more Foucauldian and Derridian than simply Neitzschean...See his Culture and Imperialism for more references to Capitalism, etc... Said's references to Marx and Gramsci and Althusser are everywhere...

    • @drjaydeepchakrabarty
      @drjaydeepchakrabarty Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, you are absolutely right about Said. Even in his good old Orientalism these were said, but formulated with greater clarity in successive works. Especially in his last major critical work Humanism and Democratic Criticism. Said's critique of western culture and imperialism is not an argument for replacing that by oriental culture and imperialism, but for an inclusive humanism.

    • @Cyberphunkisms
      @Cyberphunkisms Před 2 lety

      so many misreadings; Vivek Chibber never even uses the word Foucauldian "neoliberalism"

    • @Kriskazam
      @Kriskazam Před 2 lety

      But Vivek Chibber is a critique of Gramsci as well. Gramsci was a radlib who helped Stalin’s takeover of the Comintern lol.

  • @archiboldwindsor7447
    @archiboldwindsor7447 Před 2 lety

    Vivvek not white labels but INDEGENOUS ism, hindutva, got all served starting peasantry to upwards. Adthianath #yogi

  • @NoPrivateProperty
    @NoPrivateProperty Před 3 lety +4

    socialists must manifest their destiny and bring the chickens home to roost

    • @AntonioPeralesdelHierro
      @AntonioPeralesdelHierro Před 3 měsíci

      ...and keep the stupid macho out of it, or forget the whole thing. You want a "New Frontier" there it is. 🍷😄

  • @colemanlukas89
    @colemanlukas89 Před 5 lety +1

    first

  • @mareksicinski3726
    @mareksicinski3726 Před rokem

    51:59 I don’t lk the terminology

  • @mareksicinski3726
    @mareksicinski3726 Před rokem

    53:13 ‘returning’ to ‘Marxism’
    53:130 that is a ridiculously dubious revisionist stance. The issue was conflict on the Hanoi Moscow axis and differential policies, cost cutting and wishing not to be too obdurate.
    You can tell a
    Mirror sorry of this isn a pro US way

  • @galabz
    @galabz Před rokem

    Stumbled on another Vivek lecture which surprised me by its cultural explanation of the defeat of the socialist momentum of the anti-colonial struggle… it’s apparently the Black and Brown academics seeking career prospects responsible for the weakness of Marxist politics!!!
    Whatever happened to the materialist analysis!!!

  • @elbarca223
    @elbarca223 Před 3 lety +5

    I am tired of these Indian scholars who critique (justifiably) imperialism, orientalism, and colonialism, but do not say a word about the Caste system in the country they are from. These privileged academics and scholars criticize colonialism but do not do and speak of anything against the curse of the caste system. Most of these scholars are from the upper caste. The question is why. Why they do not write to reject the demonizing narrative of the caste system?

    • @kreyvegas1
      @kreyvegas1 Před 3 lety +6

      Don't get so tired; it wasn't the Indians who went to England to oppress the Brits.
      Every point at its rightful time.

    • @gurbaazsingh9353
      @gurbaazsingh9353 Před 2 lety +3

      Actually his critique of orientalism could indeed be used to discuss the caste system too. When he talks about lawyers getting together asking for autonomy staying inside the colonial framework he is literally talking about the INC.

    • @inbuckswetrust7357
      @inbuckswetrust7357 Před 2 lety +1

      The caste system in India is just the most beneficial for the metropolis, which is why its remnants still exist. Do you think there are no castes in Western societies? Then you are super-naive, in this respect the Indians are more honest. Bureaucracy, bankers, oligarchs like Elon or Bezos, is this not a caste? Or are there no beggars in Europe and the USA? And all these collars of different colors are not castes? :)

    • @CrazyAl1991
      @CrazyAl1991 Před 2 lety +1

      Dude, if you paid any attention to the talk you would know this guy is obviously against the caste system. He is arguing that those traditional ways of life like the caste system, that were beneficial for both the local ruling classes in the colonies and their foreign colonizers, were fostered by the latter when they decided to move from a transformative program of colonization that pretended to develop the colonies into industrial hubs, as in the west have been done, to a new program whose ideological framework rests on the belief that east and west are fundamentally different, because the first transformative approach was provoking too much political stirring that was a menace to their maintenance of power and control over their colonies. I haven't watched the entire talk yet but I know this.

    • @MR-xl5ni
      @MR-xl5ni Před 2 lety +1

      India is well aware and as a country trying to shed the caste system. However the Westerners do not want this because they won't be able to attack the caste system if that is corrected in India. For the Westerners the caste system is a gold mine of wealth to use it to their advantage. Also please be aware that the other side (that is Hindus in India) are also tired of being attacked by the so-called intellectuals in American universities. They have a hidden agenda which is the reason for their attacks on Hindu caste system.