ACW: Battle of Glorieta Pass - "The Gettysburg of the West"
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In February of 1862, the Confederate Army of New Mexico under Brigadier General Henry Hopkins Sibley launched an offensive into the New Mexico Territory with the aim of invading and capturing the Union states of California and Colorado. General Sibley seeks to secure the wealth from Colorado's gold mines, as well as the port facilities of Los Angeles, California, to help further the Confederates' cause and continue the war. On March 26th, Union forces under Colonel John P. Slough and Major John M. Chivington intercept Sibley’s forces around Glorieta Pass to commence the battle that is sometimes romantically dubbed, “the Gettysburg of the West.”
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The Battle of Glorieta Pass: A Gettysburg in the West, March 26-28, 1862 Book by John Taylor of Caroline and Thomas S. Edrington
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The Battle of Glorieta Book by Don E Alberts
Script written by J. Woody
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For folks who wonder why Glorieta is called the Gettysburg of the West, focusing on the number of casualties misses the point entirely. Like Lee's campaign that ended at Gettysburg, Sibley's campaign was intended to invade Union-held territory. Because it failed, the Confederacy was unable to press its case for independence. In Lee's case, he hoped to sufficiently threaten Washington so that Lincoln would sue for peace and then leave the Confederacy alone. In Sibley's case, the Confederacy wanted/needed Pacific ports in California to be a viable player in global economics. Gettysburg stopped Lee's plan. Glorieta stopped Sibley's plan. So it's not the number of casualties but the impact on the war that makes Glorieta the Gettysburg of the West.
Thanks for sharing.I learned a lot on this.All I knew about the West in the Civil War was in The Good,theBad,and the Ugly.
This series is excellent: just the facts, no tendentious BS.
I agree. What's poor about movies depicting the civil war is all the bs rousing music. I want the cold facts, not a hollywood version of events.
Chivington's grave is a few yards from my Grandfathers and Grandmothers. I was just there about a week ago in my old neighborhood. I grew up near there. When I was a kid we used to sneak into the cemetery at night, go visit Grandpa and take a whiz on Chivington. Ya he was the hero of Glorieta, but goes down in history as the villain of Sandcreek.
Lincoln sent Kit Carson to raise an army of New Mexicans who were mostly of Spanish decent. It was the New Mexican volunteers who were at the center of the Battle at Valverde and retreated in organized fashion as the battle went to the Rebels. The New Mexican volunteers played major parts in holding back and defeating the Texans. At Pigeon Ranch there used to be reenactments. BTW, Mesilla is pronounced Me-see-ya. I stopped by Ft Union last February - they have a cool gift shop.
National park service has a roster of them posted online
John Chivington earned high praise for his successes at Apache Canyon and Glorieta Pass. But, a captured Confederate Chaplain accused him of threatening to kill his prisoners. Chivington's military career was condemned, by a court-martial in 1865, after his men massacred more than 150 Cheyenne men, women and children, at Sand Creek in November, 1864, especially because the entire settlement was not at war, and peaceful.
This is yet another reason why I never would've fought for the Blue Coats (Union). You see, I'm pert Native American, and I totally resent the very fact, that Native Americans, left and right, were done wrong by the very ones that they made treaties with, time after time after time after time!
@@ronaldshank7589 The south would have treated them the same way. That doesn't make it any better of course. But they would not have anything to gain by fighting for either side. The same was true in the revolution.
@@ronaldshank7589 many tribes were allies and fought alongside the CSA. Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek etc. They both had a hatred for the US and practiced slavery.
@@zirconencrustedtweezers The pin Cherokees allied with the Feds. Only the the slave owning side of the Cherokee nation allied with the Confederacy.
@@Thisandthat8908 The Royal Proclamation of 1763 took measures to stop Colonial expansion West of the Appalachian Mountains. But, Westward Expansion into Indian Territories continued, despite the empire's endeavor to restrain it.
Edward Canby eventually was promoted to Major General. After the American Civil War, Canby continued to pursue his military career. In 1873, Major General Edward Canby was shot and killed, during failed treaty negotiations with the Modoc Tribes near Tule Lake, California.
As a new mexican nat. Guard cit/soldier / War historian I cannot express how greatful I am for these detailed battle videos. Thank you and keep up the good work brotha.
Dude, this was great! The moving battle maps showing the left and right flanks at each end of the pass was the crowning detail. actually, all the maps here were great.
I seem to remember a movie about all of this... let’s see... oh, yeah! That’s it! The greatest movie ever made! The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly! Watch for Sibley and his bodyguard, the Santa Fe Gamblers. And, most intriguing, could the Union officer arresting Tuco and Blondie be Captain James Paddy Graydon? Wow! And that desert scene, Journada del Muerte?
US Army Maj Chivington based on that destruction of the CSA supplies got a command that he led on attacks and massacre of several friendly, peaceful and allied (to the USA) Indian Tribes. For which we barely received a knuckle wrap.
he, not we
@@1bridge11 all US citizens are guilty for the genocide of millions and millions of the Native people
This is a solid narrative account . Excellent work.
This is a nut. Great channel, keep it up my dude.
Great video. I learned a lot from this. Looking forward to more.
My grandfather fought with the 5th NM volunteers. He was among the Spanish whom knew the land and helped end the campaign by destroying confederate supplies. He fought protecting mcraes battery at valverde where his unit lost 75% of its men. He answered the call and fought the Texan aggression.
My great great grandfather probably fought along side your grandfather. Shit we're probably related! Encinias and Chavez family
@@elcoyote9410 there is a book written by jerry D Thompson that has historial records and the names of the soldiers and what units they served
im pretty sure he may have.
Hey now, that was "Confederate aggression"... ;-)
How do you only have 600 subscribers? Your channel goes really in-depth!
Wonderful show - always wondered what it was all about out there - now I know.
“And knowing is half the battle.” 😉
Superb episode, Saris!
Delighted to see that you were able to salvage the "Tappan Affair" and make that segment most historically-accurate.
Good luck on Shiloh Part 1, though I don't doubt that you shall be able to handle it.
Thanks Jesse! It wasnt a big problem as some expected. I cant wait to get started on Shiloh, honestly one of my favorite battles in the Civil War!
Great Work!!
Thanks lollo!
Mesilla is pronounced Meh-see-ya. The double l ("ll") in Spanish is pronounced as "y". Otherwise, a pretty good presentation of that battle.
Well he's a gringo. What do you expect? Like you say, otherwise a pretty
good presentation.
@@wesleyhay3881 Yo soy un gringo, tambien, pero puedo decir "Mesilla" correctamente.
@@chuckgrigsby9664 Okay. Sorry. My apologies.
@@chuckgrigsby9664 Soy Tejano asi que puedo hablar Espanol tambien. Muchos gringos Tejanos aprenden como hablar Espanol como idioma segunda porque es la primera idioma de tantas personas aqui.
That's this narrator's main problem: he frequently mispronounces words that a professional narrator would get right. Well written and researched scripts, though.
Very informative, many thanks, Roland UK
Outstanding presentation, sir. Bravo!
What a great video! Thanks for what you do.
Thanks Michael! Glad to hear that!
Thank you for this in depth video.
New to the channel. Great stuff. I listen to this content while painting miniatures.
This entire series of Civil War videos by Warhawk is just phenomenal. Extraordinarily well researched and presented, plus put forth in an entertaining way. All of the videos so far are just exceptional, and why I subscribed. I hope he’s able to do the Overland campaign- The Wilderness; Spotsylvania; North Anna & Cold Harbor.
Found this video while visiting Santa Fe -- what a terrific and helpful contribution to our education!
Great video. I have had the opportunity to visit the Glorietta Pass battlefield. Overgrown with trees, the area looks nothing like the battlefield did in 1862. However, the park has done a good job with markers and information. Be prepared for a bit of a hike though.
Loveeee this channel and content
Great video of little known campaign!!!!!!
Didn't mention the rebel retreat through the desert without supplies, which left the force a shattered wreck.
Hinted at. But this site is all about the battles, hence calling this a tactical victory for the confederacy when with the loss of its entire supply train it was hardly even that.
@@andrewholdaway813 Even without the loss of the supply train the difference in casualties is close to negligible.
Canby knew the desert well enough that he wouldn't pursue Sibley into it.
@@purplefood1 OK you have no clue what the definition of a tactical victory is
TY for putting this together. BUT, the "Gettysburg of the West" was Franklin TN n November 1864 (in 1850-60s states west of Appalachian Mountains were considered the western theatre of civil war military operations).
Actually, Franklin is considered the "Pickett's Charge of the West" because the battle resembled something like Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg.
This looks great.
Thanks Bavarian!
i love your work, and your videos.
Thanks so much!
It’s nice to know New Mexico had battles here. While I could find only so much on the regiments here (Mainly the 2nd New Mexico Volunteer Regiment), I always wondered how different they were compared to more legendary units like the 20th Maine, or the 54th Massachusetts.
love your vids. Keep this going, always fun and interesting to find about new things in the Civil war, spec these smaller battle you make
Thanks Alexander, I enjoy making them!
I shared your work in 2 Acw groups. One here in sweden, other in Eu. So I hope you get more views, you earned them
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Interesting video. My great great grandfather fought at the Battle of Glorieta for the Union. My family was given a land grant near Puerto De Luna New Mexico as part of his Union benefits. Great victory, unfortunately Chivington and the 1st Colorado volunteers would go on to sully their name by massacreing Cheyenne and Arapahoe women and children at Sand Creek
you should give your occupied land back to the rightful owners, the natives, and pay compensation for the crimes of your disgusting great grandfather-butcher
I live in Texas now but same here, had family from the Taos area that volunteered at Apache and Glorietta. I can remember when my dad returned from Vietnam and discharged at Ft. Bliss, we moved to Taos for a while and I remember playing in the attic of my grandfather's house one day and coming across a sabre, pistol w/ holster and belt a small military type saddle and old boots with spurs. I didn't think much of it then, but when I learned about the American civil war I remember this battle was never in the history books. When I would tell the teachers about it they thought I was making it up.
The fight wasn't the Gettysburg of the West;it was the Union troops from Colorado on the verge of defeat and somehow they stumble on the baggage train and they put it all to the torch. I understand one man made it back to Texas where they had started. Chivington was a big hero and even had a hall named after him at C.U., but he was a killer of women and children and his name was sandblasted into infamy.
Unfortunately Chivington will gain infamy in 1864 with the massacre of peaceful Cheyenne at Sand Creek.
And Kit Carson will gain a notorious reputation when he begins a scorch earth method against the Navajo. Being of the tribe myself, I can say he is not not well liked, in fact he is hated by the tribe. Reports said the Navajo did follow the rules the Union set, but ended up being rounded up thanks to a few young dimwits.
@@Ranger215able cry me a colorado
Kit Carson played an important role of raising a mostly Hispanic regiments of volunteers. The battle of Glorieta pass shows what happens when any army has issues with their supply chain in a desert country. The arid country meant a shoestring supply line and living off the land for the Confederates. These types of campaigns seldom work very well because the Union commanders only needed to hold on either through a seige of forts or through a stalemated military campaign. The Confederates would run out of supplies forcing them to go back to Texas. The history books are grim for the Confederates with the battle of Glorieta Pass, the "Gettysburg of the West." The long retreat to Texas was a death march for most of the Confederates. Union commanders kept the fighting to a minimum knowing full well after the Confederate supply train was destroyed they would have to retreat across a desert with little food or supplies. It was almost a virtual death sentence for the Confederates with far higher losses from starvation/exposure with a high death count for both animals and men with much loss of equipment. It was a small Confederate force that survived the long march back to El Paso, Texas. Union patrols found lots of bone dried skeletons of mules, horses and human remains picked clean by scavengers baking in the desert sun a year after the Confederate's disastrous retreat.
The Colorado volunteers also played an important role in this battle with Colorado getting somewhat settled with a permanent population in the 1859 Gold Rush. The man named Chivington was also to battle Indians in Colorado later on. This massacre of mostly peaceful Indian tribes was disgusting but Chivington got good press for it. It seems unlikely that such a far off theater would see action during the Civil War but this early 1862 campaign leading up to the battle of Glorietta Pass and the Indian campaigns show this was an active theater of war during the Civil War despite its relative remoteness.
Awesome video. You should do one on the Red River campaign in Louisiana.
we will we when get there in our timeline
Can't wait
Same here!
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻. Can you produce more videos Southwest United State Civil War actions.
Enjoyed your presentation. Just wanted to ask if you will do a presentation of Albert Sidney Johnston's "escape" from Los Angeles and the formation of the Los Angeles Mounted Rifles? An interesting story even if Johnston died at Shiloh. Thanks for teaching people about the Civil War.
chill mate, he has enough work to do if he's gonna go all the way to Appomattox battle by battle without covering stuff before Bull Run too xD
@@talamioros That's fine with me. He's doing a fantastic work as it is. Enjoy every thing and appreciate what he does!
great you have done trans Mississippi. Not as many big figured armies and famous campaigns but the West and Trans Mississippi campaigns and securing the border states were huge for the North. The Anaconda strategy divided and squeezed and the South was out numbered out gunned and in a bad way in every industry and Navy game was a joke of a difference. Amazing they in the East anyways were in the game and in good shape to at the minimum keep Richmond safe. When Grant with near 2-1 odds everywhere advanced in every sector it was to much. There was one ANV and commander of there commanding officer. He and Jackson before his death were tying down huge numbers of Union forces. They seemed to see it as they needed a game changing victory in the North where they may be in the spot to make the Northern pop. war weary which they were at times in 1862-1863. I think top Southern minds knew that they needed to win a quick war or get a peace where they may be recognized by one or more of the European powers. North just had to many resources in the time game.
Thank You! I don't really think a lot about the war in the west. How do you make animated maps?
FYI Mesilla is pronounce as Meh-seeya. It's where I live.
Sometimes I wonder if it is a computer program, and not a person with the way he mispronounces common words like Los Angeles, and Ulysses (as in Grant)
@@blackmoor40k It is a computer.
@@blackmoor40k Yeah that sounds likely...no pun intended. I just wanted to point it out as I do live in Mesilla and it is a quaint old Spanish village. Compete with a plaza surrounded by old southwest shops and a Basilica Church. It is where the Gadsden Purchase transfer of flags ceremony took place. Nice place to visit.
That’s what he said
well done
I haven't read any books devoted to this campaign, but Shelby Foote's Civil War: A Narrative (vol. 1) has the best short written narrative of this battle that I've ever read. This video is an excellent supplement. I happily recommend both.
Blood and Treasure by Frazier is a much better read if you're interested
These are all great, thank you. But I pity you if you try to bite off the big guys like Shiloh, Antietam, and Gettysburg. Especially Gettysburg. Those Gettysburg guys need to lighten up.
We’re headed to Shiloh now :)
I think he did an EXCELLENT JOB on the Battle of Shiloh video!!!
Very cool video, what software do you use to create these? Thanks!
Can you do Battle of Gettysburg next please? And please include the 1st Minnesota's Charge as they often get overlooked. (82% Casualty Rate)
We are doing the battles of the Civil War in chronological order, we will get there when its up.
1st Texas had a higher casualty rate of 82.3% during Antietam, they deserve more of a mention
Guess it depends on historians but growing up I was taught The Battle of Westport, sometimes referred to as the Gettysburg of the West. They also have plack in Kansas city says that
lesson 1, protect your supply lines
#2 Use local scouts
My English Comp class in college had the "Milagro Beanfield War" to read and do a report. I chose this battle because of the area was similar to the book, sort a history. My teacher found it interesting because I did not enjoy the book and wanted to write about something I had an interest. The movie is even worse.
You comment on the 2nd Colorado Infantry companies at Valverde is wrong. They stop the charge of the Lancers and retreated to Fort Craig.
where is this in the video?
so classic that the war in New Mexico campaign was decided by the high 🏜 desert’s austere natural elements and paucity of natural resources, as all dramas in New Mexico ultimately are.
Are you going to do the battle of shiloh?
in the process of it
Although I am a Texan and it pained me to do so I pushed the light button that being said when you’re an enemy territory gentlemen you had better protect your supplies I should you not!
Im pretty sure this battle was the one in The Good, The Bad and the Ugly.
It's mentioned but we only see the aftermath when Sibleys troops are retreating.
My grandfather who lived to 100. Whould tell of talking to civil war veterans who lived around town when he was a young man. They would sit around at the bar or store and rehash tales and argue about how this general or that was better or worse.
Numbers are interesting.. Slough has 1300 men, an amount that would barely be noticed in on Eastern battlefield..at Gettysburg fx.
Subtitled... "How to Win Every Battle and Still Lose".
I guess Rommel was out sick when they covered this in class.
cry me a Casserine
How do you make such good maps?
i use photoshop and make my own makes based off either historical maps or like CivilWarTrust's maps
@@WarhawkYT cool, I’m very impressed
The only thing this entire campaign accomplished was giving Sergio Leone a fantastic setting for one of his westerns. (The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, obviously.)
Domo arigato, Warhawk-sensei.
Mesilla is pronounced meseeya - it's a spanish word. . . . A New Mexico resident who lived on Meseeya street in Albuquerque. Otherwise an outstanding piece of work. I've been to the battleground and you can still find the lead ball bullets on the ground.
yea but hes speaking english, not spanish... if we dont expect him to pronounce güero correctly, than how is Mesilla any different?
@@donandresdeulloa4638 at least one sane person here
Damn fine representation
The Confederates should have contacted the
Native American tribes, especially Apache and made a
deal with them if they would throw their support in and helped
win the war.
You are wrong in your assessment . There were different phases of the battle . Tho the Texans forced coloradoans back in the pass , the phase concerning the Texan supply train was a complete Colorado victory . Even tho most consider the battle a tactical draw , the strategic factor of ending the confederate campaign must be considered a union victory .
I don't mean to be a nay sayer, but at that time there's no way they could have gone up the river like that. The thick bosque and marsh traps of the untamed river would have forced them to travel on the Jornada del Muerto, which ends at San Antonio and Socorro.
Actually, that fight in Pennsylvania was the Glorieta Pass of the East. ;-)
As the battle raged two strangers a tall blonde and a Mexican blew up a bridge near sand hill cemetery ,
Yea,....they had never seen so many men wasted so badly
I like how the "Department of New Mexico" comes with a larger force then the "Army of New Mexico" ^^
What Sibley and the Confederates failed to appreciate is that the Mexican population (not Spanish!) of New Mexico loathed slavery! The New Mexico Volunteers (Mexicans!) proved loyal to Lincoln and Bento Juarez...nice video.
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Johnny Reb should have gave some rifles to the Apache and Navajo.
A war party alone tips any battle in night raids and small unit harassment.
Sorry, but Johnny Reb only gave to WHITE Folks!!!
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A terrible mistake that costed them dearly.
@@SKINWALKER sometimes, stupidity is a wonderful thing
@@ianthomas7863 not true sir guess you never heard of the Cherokee braves or Choctaw who fought with the Confederacy in Oklahoma last confederate general surrender was native American. Native American tribes also have Representatives in the confederate government
I always looked at this as just another of those irrational, vainglorious military adventures that happened from time to time in the 19th century. I had also forgotten that Chivington was involved in this battle because it is greatly overshadowed by the crime he committed by leading the Sand Creek Massacre. Although he should have been, he was never prosecuted for it, but it at least put an end to his political aspirations.
lot's of US soldiers aren't prosecuted for their war crimes
@@zurgesmiecal BS. GFY
@@allen480 war criminal detected
Huge lands to cross. Supplies stretched.
Wow, the confederates were unimaginably ambitious to think they could take California
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Pretty sure they lost around 500 men in the campaign, and around 1200 death or desertion as they chose to retreat across the desert im which case Canby was content to see the desert reduce them.
Then disbanded upon returning to texas
Texas won a minor battle conflict but lost the campaign . Colorado kicked azz !!
Our Colorado bois
Texas would whip you in today’s time.
The Texans were the most feared troops in the civil war.
@@collin8175 time to try again
at12:43 you state that a Colorado company was destroyed, by Texas lancers then seconds later you say the erroneous report that they were destroyed spurred Co. intro action... ????
Is this the same Chivington of the infamous Native American massacre at Sand Creek ?
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Great video lad.
Welcome, Cheese!
Chivington was commander at Sand Creek massacre
"Mesilla" is pronounced Me-siya: the Spanish double L takes a YA or L-YA depending on the accent of the speaker.
This battle is in fact nothing at all like Gettysburg.
Prisoners of this campaign..(CSA) were sent north to Kansas where they were encamped at FT.Riley KS. Several were paroled but there are approx. 8 burried in the FT.Riley Cemetery. Through a long process of elimination and paroll records. I was able to narrow down the names of these men. The Commanding General would not allow them to be disinterred and transported back to Texas. "They are traitors and will remain so here." These soldiers are currently burried under markers with no name. Just CSA. One grave has the paved road going right in front of the stone.
When did Clint Eastwood blow up that big bridge, like they showed in "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly"?
Jk
Lol
nice reference
Considering that the movie took place around many of the locations here (Santa Fe, Apache Canyon, etc.), one wonders if the show writers did their homework...
@@michaelmccabe3079 The director, Sergio Leone, from what I've read did extensive historical research prior to making the film. The bridge battle was fictional but they show Sibley retreating through the town after Glorieta Pass. Even mention him by name. Canby too I believe. Fictional story in a factual setting
My ancestor Major John Shropshire of the 5th Texas Mounted Rifles was shot and killed during the battle. Believed to be shot in the head by the union soldier George Pierce.
We lost this because a fool didn't guard the most important factor they had, supplies. How damn dumb was that? Plus, what makes the worse, we beat the Union in all the battles, unbelievable.
How typical - as in other occasions, it turns out the Confederates cannot even afford to win.
7:58 So the Confederates were actually trying to get shoes at this Gettysburg
I love this considering the far west gets little attention by society
I thought Franklin was “The Gettysburg of the West”
why would a filthy commie care about Gettysburg?
A minor sideshow with about 2500 troops involved, more died in a little over 24 hours in Shiloh. Most of the troops from Texas it appears ended up at places like Shiloh, I really don't know who was left, maybe home guard doing stuff like this.
Gettysburg of the West, or "Battle of the Bulge, Civil War edition".
Sibleys strategy sounds alot like Hitler's, push through enemy territory, sustaining the assault on captured supplies, with the end goal of pushing and taking a port.....
too bad evil fools prevented it
Securing southern California would've solved the blockade problem of the south, and open trade to the chinese and japanese.
It might have opened a new port for the Confederacy to trade but I dont know how long it wouldve last until the Union came and blockaded those ports as well.
@@WarhawkYT that large navy was perhaps the most aggravating nuisance the csa couldn't physically deal with. Its been a staple of the American military ever since. Us ship production has been dominant for a long time. And then again, it would inevitably have to go past the Mississippi. At the very least the western armies would benefit from it for a time.
I always wondered what Native Americans did during the war. Not the ones who joined the USA or CSA but the ones not affiliated with anyone.
doing what savages do, harassing other people