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@aaliyag itsn't it amazing how European folks always excel at these dances that are supposed to be south american, I never see any brazilian or south american couples in the tournaments, but lots of italians, russians, austrian, german, you name it but not south american.... very interesting
Performance wise 1st couple. Real dancing skill 2nd couple hands down. Its not abot shaking. Its abot timing, musicality, control and smoothness and effortlessness
Yes my bad it was a Typo. Also russia were definitely technically perfect and crisp so i dont want to discredit them in any way but the first italian couple just had that something extra and hence to me the best of this showcase.
***** Hi relnaldo, before you make the bad decision of responding to this dellusional guy ' dancetjoen ' i want to warn you soe things you should know about him. 1. He is one typical troll'spammer of internet, that uses his anonim status to give free course to his insecurities and to make gratuitous agresion to anyone that disagrees with him. Don`t be fool: he will try to call you spammer if you simply disagrees with him. Btween his pearls of prejudice, xhenofobia, he calls brazilians 'savages' and our culture 'ugly'. Its really something regreatable to engage in conversations with him, and it is really a shame for 'balroom community' as a whole that he is here representing them. 2. He has this very curious and poor interpretation - without any experience, references or good arguments - of samba as something more authentic in europe! Its really laughable. When he tries to say that samba de gafieira is not real samba he falls in a very strange contradiction saying that ballroom international has the authentic brazilian figures, but at the same time brazilian - according to him - is a culture of savages with no taste. He also does not know how to explain why, if he finds brazilian culture so ugl, he doesnt fight to change the name of the dance. Instead, he is here every day fighting to defend the right to mantain the brazilian name in his european dance - which makes him one example ofvery rare stupidity, mixed with prejudice and bigotry. I think he has serious psychological problems, and doesnt even know what he wants to say. Its a very strange incapability of seeing his own contradictions. 3. If you challenges him showing Ballroom comunity doesnt even know samba music he will most likely say that "they don`t buy spammer or ugly music", or that we have to deserve first. He actually thinks this is a real argument and i cannot avoid but feel pitty for him. One time he tried to say they buy venezuelan music instead, because brazilians are spammers, hehe. When i said to him that there is no venezuelan samba, he again engage in one of his mind confusions and contradictions. I guess you cannot teach someone to think - judgment is something you cannot acquire. 4. He does not have any reference, reading, and most of what he speaks cams fro what he knows from ballroom cultre, what makes me think how badly ignorant this european community of professors and dancers are. This is intolerable in a globalized world, since it is easy to look for any bbc documentary or any book to learn about samba and brazil, before saying so much non-sense. To measure if it really worth to talk with him, remember that one time, when i challenge him to show any quote or author, he said to me: "im like copernico or galileu, that discover the truth while you savages dont know anything". Well since that time i was convinced i was talking to a "mad-house napolean"type. 5. Finally, he likes to say that the real figures of brazil are present in their dance, because some of Maxixe old movements are present there (although they execute it in a way that looks more like a steriotype of a carebbean old movie). But he has no good explanation (cultural, antropological, musical, etc) to explain why did they change the name to samba gratuitously. He also does not have a explanation as to why they do not use samba music, why are they so detach from any form of samba culture, and why, in sum, if they think hey are so superior, they do not simply change the name for a european one. The only arguments that he has are the agresions exposed in 1, the contradictions exposed in 2, the dellusions exposed in 3, and the madhouse napoelan behaviour exposed in 4. So, if you still want to respond to him, good luck!
It's the same with Tango videos, there's always someone from Argentina saying it's not a real Tango. Every dance changes as it moves from one place to another; seems to be part of the nature of dance. One of you who argues that this is not Samba, please post a link to what is true "Samba" in the minds of most Brazilians, and we can watch and compare and understand. Thank you.
nightswimmer99 Hi, i know what you mean and i almost understand your concerns. The reason i do not have more sympathy is the fact i resist to acknowledge you - the int. ballroom community - as the real victims here. And i also think that the attempt to own the victimizing spirit, calling us the attackers, is a outrageous. The burden is being inverted here. It is you and ballroom community who should prove this is samba, tango, etc. This is the first move of good faith. When you have a so distant art from its original, with no relation to the musicality, the type of beat and no knowledge at all about the personality, the cultural roots, the religious narratives that are in the base of the movements and body behavior of (real) samba, the mood of the lyrics, in sum, nothing that reminds samba or tango, it is YOU, and not us that have to answer questions. The behavior that some ballroom dancers have here - like: please tell us why can`t we stereotype your culture with our arbitrary license? - it is so absurd that does not even need to be addressed.
Latino M. That was a non-answer. The burden of proof is on the one who claims it as their own and their culture. I have seen beautiful Argentine tangos done by Argentine pros after being directed to them and it satisfied the argument for me and helped me understand their feelings about less authentic performances. I am only asking those who make that argument about Samba to do the same. You can't complain about what something is NOT without presenting a true sample of what something IS so a right comparison can be made. Your answer seems like that of a troll and I hope I am not wasting my time.
nightswimmer99 +nightswimmer99 I do not think you are presenting a very fair or exact definition of the burden of proof. The burden of proof is not mine because i came here saying that "this is not samba". The "not", or the "is" in the syntax structure are irrelevant to identify where is the burden. The burden of proof is defined by empirical conditions, not syntax one. Yours is a very singular and false interpretation of this principle of judgment in general. The burden of proof is allways on the one that presents the more extraordinary, curious or strange claim (you can understand this as "distant from scientific consensus", or as "distant from accepted empirical evidence"). So, i would say that the burden of the proof is EXPRESSIVELY on the ballroom comunity, since there is a big consensus showing that all literature, history, cultural and antropological scholars, based on rigorous empirical metodology, present samba as a brazilian culture, linked to the national identity of brazil itself. If the only reason for labeling something Yoga, Maori dance or samba, is pure semantics, your opinion is dogmatic and arbitrary. And the burden of the proof is , of course, on you. In sum, coming back to my first statement, i`m not a troll, i was just worry that when you shift the question over us, instead of proving that this is a development of samba, you just use this as a "card" to save you from the very responsibilitie to prove it. So, in other words, If this is a "version" or development of samba this is something to be proven (with antropological, sociological, etc, reasons), and not something that you can simply say it dogmatically to save you from the burden of proof and the responsibility of arguing. But, presuposing that you have good faith, as i will, of course you can ask me what are the criterias and the legit elements of samba to make a true comparison. You can ask me why do i think that to say that the international samba is samba is a so strange of a statement. You can ask me why the scientific consensus would denied it. You can say that you cannot present any argument agains it if i do not present the criterias that are important to me and to this consesual community. You can saythat i am being as dogmatic as Ballroom comunity if i do not give you a chance of responding and arguing. And i would agree with you. So, thats what im doing here. I will expose here what i believe to be some minimum criteria of identity based on antropological reasons, sociological, political and cultural reasons. I will use some quotations and internet materials that i use before, or copied from other internet texts, to save time. Then i hope we can compare it with your criterias and have a true discussion (maybe you can also break the paradigm and proof that this is samba, good luck!). Finally (in the end) i will present a video of true expresions of ballroom samba from brazil, the way we dance here for more than 50 years and that express all the feelings linked to samba culture and songs (you will see similarities between the regional expresions of argentine tango, son cubano, and other authentic social dances in it). Here we go, Greetings. 1. The brazilian Ministry of Culture declared Samba (rhythm developed in Rio de Janeiro, AKA “Samba carioca”) as Brazil’s immaterial cultural patrimony. It was registered at the Instituto do Patrimônio Histórico e Artístico Nacional (Iphan): 2. UNESCO declared “Samba de Roda” (the samba developed in the brazilian state of Bahia) the world’s immaterial cultural partimony: IPHAN 3. (cultures and art) Obviously, dances evolve and change. But Art is a expression of cultures. And cultures are the result of a legacy of experience. So, its to that experience that we should recur when we want to understand them. If someone calls himself a "professor" and are not interesting in learning, he is just a charlatan. To make a version or a new interpretation of a deep rooted culture like samba demands study, hard work, humbleness, and a lot of desire to learn with the roots of these cultures. The dance above is evidently something made out of European rules and techniches, with no link to any samba musicality or body expression. Its obvious that it is not even a 5 th degree cousin. There is no relation to samba but the name. I think that, to use the excuse of "development of cultures" to justify any type of gross and arbitrary steriotyped interpretation of cultures is a very cheap manouver. 4. This international ballroom guys are never dancing to a real samba song. How would you expect that they can feel the samba spirit if they don`t even know the right music? A major goal of any dance study is to give technical naturalness to the movements of a dancer, unifying the dancer and the music. The rules of international Latin dances do the opposite: they give artificiality to the dancer's body structure, making it a mere stereotype, i.e, something that he doesn't really knows, but tries to imitate following alien criteria and big offensive steriotypes. 5 (musicality) Samba music is characterized by a very singular approach to the off beats. The nature of the syncope in samba's beat is something you cannot find in any other music in the world. That's what makes the "specific samba swing. By this I mean not speed, energy or tightness, but the fact that half of the notes in a bar always fall slightly off the beat, in a very consistant pattern". Moreover, there is a link with the african religious and the way they use to dance to worship their gods. First of all, they - Int. B. Dancers - are not dancing to Samba music, so it is impossible to read the offbeat approach of samba in their dance. Second, in the rare circumstances that they dance to real samba music, their bodies do not reflect a corporal interpretation of the off beats. They do not shake their body like the off beats demand, with "ginga". 6. The third reason is the difference in personality and samba spirit. Brazilian samba retains regional elements directly connected with the cultural experience of Brazil, which has matured independently from the African and European premises contained in its roots. There are more than one hundred years of samba culture in Brazil, and it is still strong today, with new readings of samba appearing every decade. It is linked with the history of the poor from the slums, where a lot of great composers have come from.On the other hand, the International Ballroom Samba, despite its undisputed technical appeal, does not contain any elements homogeneous with the personality of Brazilian samba. It is a style of dance adapted for large presentations that does not have any visible connection with the mythologies, stories, personality nor the substance of Samba music. 7. Finally, the video (type the whole thing in youtube): 'Dos Bailadores 25-10-2013 demo Anderson & Brenda Samba de Gafieira HD quality' .
As a spectator, it's better to watch someone who's trying their best as opposed to someone who doesn't feel comfortable with what they're doing. But as a dancer, I can totally resonate lol
My favorite outfit was the first Italian female’s dress, but I think the Russian and the 2nd Italian couple’s routines and performances were the best and most Samba-like.
holy mother god! listen up everyone: this is LATIN BALLROOM. this samba is not the brazilian samba. thats all. its a completely different style of dancing. understand and appreciate it please.
I see: so this is not brazilian samba, but it is called samba anyway - despite the fact samba is a brazilian culture and the fact there is no oter samba culture around the world. Ok.. So, would you mind answer some questions? If you are right, and the difference between the two is just about the names, then, why do most European ballroom schools that one can find in internet still tries to relate it to Brazil? Why they dont instead try to clarify to their students that they have something diametrically different, that it is not even fit to dance to samba music? I also would like to know why, if you and the whole community wants independence - or to own anything to samba culture - from brazilian culture, why dont you fight to change the name? That would be a good begining. That`s what cultures actually do when they want independence and to claim its maturity. They claim their own terminology. But i see you, and the whole ballroom community, make the opposite! You fight to maintain the name. This is really fishy. I also think you guys are prompt and ready to act like names do not matter, and like names have no reason to exist, but if someone misrepresent your own culture, calling your mother-language by other name, or calling yor ethnic traces by the name of other, you would not like it. You can convince me otherwise, but i doubt it.
Latino M. the roots are from brazil. just the very basics (like some steps and mostly: the rythym.) but officially, it does not take after the traditional brazil samba at all. its more like a ballroom dance. every single styles in ballroom have their very own "figure alphabet". these are recorded in a book, and surely required at competitions, to follow these rules. if you would do traditional brazilian samba at a ballroom comeptetion, you would not get too much scores. so once again. totally different styles. the name the same. but requirements are totally different
Máté Kovács Hi mate, you said that the basics steps and rhythmic are the same. So, i decided to post videos with testimonies, documents and images for you to see that´s not right. The videos are from scholars from canada, usa, london and brazil. Here we go. 1)First, the steps of ballroom competition came from Maxixe , extinct brazilian dance, danced to a type of music distinct from samba. As you can see in video bellow, there is the history of maxixe, and a video with maxixe dance (first video go to 11 : 30 to see the figures and steps of maxixe, mostly the same as used in your ballroom): watch?v=B6iQyDCOFk8 (maxixe, a dança perdida) watch?v=42J2e54HtDE (as figuras coereograficas do maxixe) 2) you said that the rhythm is the same. Well I'm sorry, but i still didn't find one single ballroom video with a real samba music. So, i would like to know what are you talking about, please. Samba music is very peculiar and it has a offbeat structure very different from any other caribou and south-american music. Most of the nature of the samba beat comes from interpretations of old afro-brazilian regions, present also in capoeira. Videos below, with a documenter from bbc, backed up my claims: watch?v=9WOgH4gs0R8 ( BBC Brasil Brasil 'episodio 01) 3) There is a ballroom style of samba, created in correspondence to samba swing , samba rhythm and the personality and spirit of brazilian dancers and singers. it has the very soul and essence of samba. It shares structural elements with tango, son cubano, maxixe, lambada, forro, and a lot of other social dances from brazil and south'america. its structural identity is centered in steplike tranca, facao, paulistinha, and others that makes it fit to dance to the offbeat style of samba music. You can see the history of it in the first video (with subtitles) and two champions in the second: watch?v=h2zlMxaUI2A (Samba de gafiera - Documentaire - ''Un pied dans la samba'' (for the subtitles press ''CC'') watch?v=WHiWT9mFxNc ( Dos Bailadores 25-10-2013 demo Anderson & Brenda Samba de Gafieira HD quality) 4) so, you have the history, the videos, the documents and references showed. So, i will let you judge by yourself about who is lying and who is the spammer and troll with unsolicited and superfluous information. Samba culture is documented and registered in text and literature all around the world. You said that ballroom version is different from the traditional and original one. So, my question remains: why the ballroom community insist in call it samba. not even the origins are from samba, as you can see in the maxixe video. I am afraid that your generation is being damaged by this misrepresentation more than anyone: i respect your talent and effort, and i regret the fact your professors and your community do not let available the information and knowledge about the art you are practicing. You know that without enlightenment there is no artistic maturity. To let you guys thinking you are dancing to samba, instead of naming it with your own european name, concept and history, is equivalent as to limit you guys to a fraud. The same is valid for the old practitioners that come to learn something about samba and brazil, seduced, and end up learning a steriotype of old maxixe, with almost nothing related to brazil. greetings.
dancetjoen unfortunately im not THAT Máté Kovács. :) im a bit younger than him. but Andrea Keleti and her husband: Zoltán Kovács taught me everything that i know.
Amazing dancing. (What are the suits standing at the edges of the dance floor? Security? Judges? I thought they were cut-outs of people until several dancers in.)
The first italian couple YUSSS.. Their dance - it was always exciting.. I loved one of the moves where they were walking fwd and the girl would keep turning back n forth.. The girl was even more animated than the guy... I found with some of these couples the girl didn't tend to make as much big moves as the man n kinda stood n looked pretty n took part in turns.. but the first couple it felt like both were putting in equal effort.. The second italian couple and the Austrian.. I didn't like the woman's costume much at all.. You really need something to lengthen the legs and show full movement.. Again.. the first italian couple.. they were both colourful and showed the right amount of skin.. Denmark I appreciate the unique dress but it covered her shape and anything baggy can take away from their dancing, at least in this style
I agree. The last Girl wore a shapeless Bag. Did you notice how they shortened the Dancing Time for the first Couple compared to the Others? Listen to the Music and compare. Is that allowed?
Yes the woman was terrible for the third couple but the man was on fire. The second couple, Russia, was the best technically speaking they were amazing and the man's spins were phenomenal
From Wikipedia "The international Ballroom version of samba is a lively, rhythmical dance with elements from Brazilian samba. It has recently been exposed to the American public in television programmes such as Strictly come dancing and Dancing with the stars. It differs considerably from the original samba styles of Brazil, in particular it differs from Ballroom Samba in Brazil itself. It is often not always danced to music with a samba rhythm and often danced to music with less complex 2/4 and 4/4 time. In particular in the popular television programmes Strictly come dancing and Dancing with the stars it almost never danced to samba music or a samba rhythm. Moreover its performance does not necessarily include the characteristic steps from Samba no Pé. In many other ways it though been influenced by the Brazilian version of samba, in particular maxixe, and subsequently developed independently from samba in Brazil." As a ballroom dance, the samba is a partner dance. Ballroom samba, even more than other ballroom dances, is very disconnected from the origins and evolution of the music and dance that gives it its name."
Who won? ... .. I think the 2nd couple expressed the heart of Samba the best. Complete coupleship. They were inseperable, sexy and right on time for everything.
The 2nd Couple reminds me of the Lyre Bird's Dance! Also of Ed Sheeran's "Thinking Out Loud". This dance should be sexy and about coupleship. The others were too independent IMO.
I doubt it because they train muscles differently. Latin dancing is done with feet in a v position for most dances and if you do belly dancing and ballet it can confuse the muscle memory and its always all about the footwork with ballroom. The energy transfers up the body and its mostly using an active core. They arent using individual muscles in the legs isolatedly usually and its more like how electricity is transferred through wires. So in this case its from the feet to the core to the rest of the body where u need it to move while the remaining muscles remain still. Isolation techniques train the rest of the body to remain still while energy is transferred only to the parts it needs to flow to.
Was able to track down the musical artists and the music behind the samba number you see and hear in the video. It was... Song Title: "Down To Memphis" Artist: Club des Belugas
dancetjoen from where the hell do you get this nonsense that you spew like shit from your putrified mouth? You invent facts to defend your pathetic dance. I do not care if you dance it, but CHANGE THE NAME. Or at least, dance it to SAMBA MUSIC!
The last couple were phenomenal. Took my breath away! You can feel her freedom and energy. Just beautiful!
Yeah, they had a great connection! I liked the first couple too.
The final pair is my favorite pair!! The energy and choreography is amazing!!
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I couldn't agree more 👏
@aaliyag itsn't it amazing how European folks always excel at these dances that are supposed to be south american, I never see any brazilian or south american couples in the tournaments, but lots of italians, russians, austrian, german, you name it but not south american.... very interesting
I like the first couple best!
me too！
Me too. Their Dancing Time is shorter than everyone else's. Listen to the Music.
First couple were by far the best.
True
I'm brazilian and i find it great, but i see no samba mooves in their apresentation
@@JoaoPaulo-nz2ro Its because its competetive Latin samba. its an variation of the brazilian samba you kow.
Definitely. But, their Dancing Time is shorter than the Others. Listen to the Music and compare. How is that fair?!
The last pair is even better
My favorite choreography was the one the Italy pair did!
Performance wise 1st couple. Real dancing skill 2nd couple hands down. Its not abot shaking. Its abot timing, musicality, control and smoothness and effortlessness
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Yes my bad it was a Typo. Also russia were definitely technically perfect and crisp so i dont want to discredit them in any way but the first italian couple just had that something extra and hence to me the best of this showcase.
@@imogen6573 I don't mean to discredit you, but dancing is not effortless
Amazing dancing but I may have nightmares about this music....
lolll
I promise you!
In every video with the ballroom samba , there will be at least one comment from Brazil, saying that this is not real Samba!
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Hi relnaldo, before you make the bad decision of responding to this dellusional guy ' dancetjoen ' i want to warn you soe things you should know about him.
1. He is one typical troll'spammer of internet, that uses his anonim status to give free course to his insecurities and to make gratuitous agresion to anyone that disagrees with him. Don`t be fool: he will try to call you spammer if you simply disagrees with him. Btween his pearls of prejudice, xhenofobia, he calls brazilians 'savages' and our culture 'ugly'. Its really something regreatable to engage in conversations with him, and it is really a shame for 'balroom community' as a whole that he is here representing them.
2. He has this very curious and poor interpretation - without any experience, references or good arguments - of samba as something more authentic in europe! Its really laughable. When he tries to say that samba de gafieira is not real samba he falls in a very strange contradiction saying that ballroom international has the authentic brazilian figures, but at the same time brazilian - according to him - is a culture of savages with no taste. He also does not know how to explain why, if he finds brazilian culture so ugl, he doesnt fight to change the name of the dance. Instead, he is here every day fighting to defend the right to mantain the brazilian name in his european dance - which makes him one example ofvery rare stupidity, mixed with prejudice and bigotry. I think he has serious psychological problems, and doesnt even know what he wants to say. Its a very strange incapability of seeing his own contradictions.
3. If you challenges him showing Ballroom comunity doesnt even know samba music he will most likely say that "they don`t buy spammer or ugly music", or that we have to deserve first. He actually thinks this is a real argument and i cannot avoid but feel pitty for him. One time he tried to say they buy venezuelan music instead, because brazilians are spammers, hehe. When i said to him that there is no venezuelan samba, he again engage in one of his mind confusions and contradictions. I guess you cannot teach someone to think - judgment is something you cannot acquire.
4. He does not have any reference, reading, and most of what he speaks cams fro what he knows from ballroom cultre, what makes me think how badly ignorant this european community of professors and dancers are. This is intolerable in a globalized world, since it is easy to look for any bbc documentary or any book to learn about samba and brazil, before saying so much non-sense. To measure if it really worth to talk with him, remember that one time, when i challenge him to show any quote or author, he said to me: "im like copernico or galileu, that discover the truth while you savages dont know anything". Well since that time i was convinced i was talking to a "mad-house napolean"type.
5. Finally, he likes to say that the real figures of brazil are present in their dance, because some of Maxixe old movements are present there (although they execute it in a way that looks more like a steriotype of a carebbean old movie). But he has no good explanation (cultural, antropological, musical, etc) to explain why did they change the name to samba gratuitously. He also does not have a explanation as to why they do not use samba music, why are they so detach from any form of samba culture, and why, in sum, if they think hey are so superior, they do not simply change the name for a european one. The only arguments that he has are the agresions exposed in 1, the contradictions exposed in 2, the dellusions exposed in 3, and the madhouse napoelan behaviour exposed in 4. So, if you still want to respond to him, good luck!
It's the same with Tango videos, there's always someone from Argentina saying it's not a real Tango. Every dance changes as it moves from one place to another; seems to be part of the nature of dance. One of you who argues that this is not Samba, please post a link to what is true "Samba" in the minds of most Brazilians, and we can watch and compare and understand. Thank you.
nightswimmer99 Hi, i know what you mean and i almost understand your concerns. The reason i do not have more sympathy is the fact i resist to acknowledge you - the int. ballroom community - as the real victims here. And i also think that the attempt to own the victimizing spirit, calling us the attackers, is a outrageous. The burden is being inverted here. It is you and ballroom community who should prove this is samba, tango, etc. This is the first move of good faith. When you have a so distant art from its original, with no relation to the musicality, the type of beat and no knowledge at all about the personality, the cultural roots, the religious narratives that are in the base of the movements and body behavior of (real) samba, the mood of the lyrics, in sum, nothing that reminds samba or tango, it is YOU, and not us that have to answer questions. The behavior that some ballroom dancers have here - like: please tell us why can`t we stereotype your culture with our arbitrary license? - it is so absurd that does not even need to be addressed.
Latino M. That was a non-answer. The burden of proof is on the one who claims it as their own and their culture. I have seen beautiful Argentine tangos done by Argentine pros after being directed to them and it satisfied the argument for me and helped me understand their feelings about less authentic performances. I am only asking those who make that argument about Samba to do the same. You can't complain about what something is NOT without presenting a true sample of what something IS so a right comparison can be made. Your answer seems like that of a troll and I hope I am not wasting my time.
nightswimmer99 +nightswimmer99 I do not think you are presenting a very fair or exact definition of the burden of proof. The burden of proof is not mine because i came here saying that "this is not samba". The "not", or the "is" in the syntax structure are irrelevant to identify where is the burden. The burden of proof is defined by empirical conditions, not syntax one. Yours is a very singular and false interpretation of this principle of judgment in general. The burden of proof is allways on the one that presents the more extraordinary, curious or strange claim (you can understand this as "distant from scientific consensus", or as "distant from accepted empirical evidence"). So, i would say that the burden of the proof is EXPRESSIVELY on the ballroom comunity, since there is a big consensus showing that all literature, history, cultural and antropological scholars, based on rigorous empirical metodology, present samba as a brazilian culture, linked to the national identity of brazil itself. If the only reason for labeling something Yoga, Maori dance or samba, is pure semantics, your opinion is dogmatic and arbitrary. And the burden of the proof is , of course, on you. In sum, coming back to my first statement, i`m not a troll, i was just worry that when you shift the question over us, instead of proving that this is a development of samba, you just use this as a "card" to save you from the very responsibilitie to prove it.
So, in other words, If this is a "version" or development of samba this is something to be proven (with antropological, sociological, etc, reasons), and not something that you can simply say it dogmatically to save you from the burden of proof and the responsibility of arguing.
But, presuposing that you have good faith, as i will, of course you can ask me what are the criterias and the legit elements of samba to make a true comparison. You can ask me why do i think that to say that the international samba is samba is a so strange of a statement. You can ask me why the scientific consensus would denied it. You can say that you cannot present any argument agains it if i do not present the criterias that are important to me and to this consesual community. You can saythat i am being as dogmatic as Ballroom comunity if i do not give you a chance of responding and arguing. And i would agree with you. So, thats what im doing here. I will expose here what i believe to be some minimum criteria of identity based on antropological reasons, sociological, political and cultural reasons. I will use some quotations and internet materials that i use before, or copied from other internet texts, to save time. Then i hope we can compare it with your criterias and have a true discussion (maybe you can also break the paradigm and proof that this is samba, good luck!). Finally (in the end) i will present a video of true expresions of ballroom samba from brazil, the way we dance here for more than 50 years and that express all the feelings linked to samba culture and songs (you will see similarities between the regional expresions of argentine tango, son cubano, and other authentic social dances in it). Here we go, Greetings.
1. The brazilian Ministry of Culture declared Samba (rhythm developed in Rio de Janeiro, AKA “Samba carioca”) as Brazil’s immaterial cultural patrimony. It was registered at the Instituto do Patrimônio Histórico e Artístico Nacional (Iphan):
2. UNESCO declared “Samba de Roda” (the samba developed in the brazilian state of Bahia) the world’s immaterial cultural partimony: IPHAN
3. (cultures and art) Obviously, dances evolve and change. But Art is a expression of cultures. And cultures are the result of a legacy of experience. So, its to that experience that we should recur when we want to understand them. If someone calls himself a "professor" and are not interesting in learning, he is just a charlatan. To make a version or a new interpretation of a deep rooted culture like samba demands study, hard work, humbleness, and a lot of desire to learn with the roots of these cultures. The dance above is evidently something made out of European rules and techniches, with no link to any samba musicality or body expression. Its obvious that it is not even a 5 th degree cousin. There is no relation to samba but the name. I think that, to use the excuse of "development of cultures" to justify any type of gross and arbitrary steriotyped interpretation of cultures is a very cheap manouver.
4. This international ballroom guys are never dancing to a real samba song. How would you expect that they can feel the samba spirit if they don`t even know the right music? A major goal of any dance study is to give technical naturalness to the movements of a dancer, unifying the dancer and the music. The rules of international Latin dances do the opposite: they give artificiality to the dancer's body structure, making it a mere stereotype, i.e, something that he doesn't really knows, but tries to imitate following alien criteria and big offensive steriotypes.
5 (musicality) Samba music is characterized by a very singular approach to the off beats. The nature of the syncope in samba's beat is something you cannot find in any other music in the world. That's what makes the "specific samba swing. By this I mean not speed, energy or tightness, but the fact that half of the notes in a bar always fall slightly off the beat, in a very consistant pattern". Moreover, there is a link with the african religious and the way they use to dance to worship their gods. First of all, they - Int. B. Dancers - are not dancing to Samba music, so it is impossible to read the offbeat approach of samba in their dance. Second, in the rare circumstances that they dance to real samba music, their bodies do not reflect a corporal interpretation of the off beats. They do not shake their body like the off beats demand, with "ginga".
6. The third reason is the difference in personality and samba spirit. Brazilian samba retains regional elements directly connected with the cultural experience of Brazil, which has matured independently from the African and European premises contained in its roots. There are more than one hundred years of samba culture in Brazil, and it is still strong today, with new readings of samba appearing every decade. It is linked with the history of the poor from the slums, where a lot of great composers have come from.On the other hand, the International Ballroom Samba, despite its undisputed technical appeal, does not contain any elements homogeneous with the personality of Brazilian samba. It is a style of dance adapted for large presentations that does not have any visible connection with the mythologies, stories, personality nor the substance of Samba music.
7. Finally, the video (type the whole thing in youtube): 'Dos Bailadores 25-10-2013 demo Anderson & Brenda Samba de Gafieira HD quality' .
Couple #20 from Italy was EXCELLENT!!!
ohh i really wish to dance like this ..but im afraid.!
keep dreaming! stop dreaming and start dancing!
Get your money out......
nooo don’t be afraid. i’m a dancer and the feeling is the best thing. so don’t be afraid to try
As a spectator, it's better to watch someone who's trying their best as opposed to someone who doesn't feel comfortable with what they're doing. But as a dancer, I can totally resonate lol
@@lillyshield6187 same
first and last couple moved to the music - awesome!
Ok so i found the song :) it's Club de Belugas feat . Brenda Boykin - Straight to Memphis
Doesn't suit the samba at all
@@kerensabirch5214 Depends on the taste music. Peace
I loved the last couple 's craft👌👌🙏🙏❤️❤️
My favorite outfit was the first Italian female’s dress, but I think the Russian and the 2nd Italian couple’s routines and performances were the best and most Samba-like.
Loved Mariya and Vladimir (the Russian couple) - they moved perfectly with the music; nice interpretation as usual.
I enjoy all of these dancers all the time!
Samba to taniec żywiołowy i piękny:))) Tylko oglądać i się cieszyć lub zatańczyć...
Dzięki Tyler za jedynkę. Lubię ładny taniec. :)))
My favorite couples are the first and last - Italian and Danish
Loved the samba rolls!
holy mother god!
listen up everyone: this is LATIN BALLROOM. this samba is not the brazilian samba. thats all. its a completely different style of dancing. understand and appreciate it please.
I see: so this is not brazilian samba, but it is called samba anyway - despite the fact samba is a brazilian culture and the fact there is no oter samba culture around the world. Ok.. So, would you mind answer some questions? If you are right, and the difference between the two is just about the names, then, why do most European ballroom schools that one can find in internet still tries to relate it to Brazil? Why they dont instead try to clarify to their students that they have something diametrically different, that it is not even fit to dance to samba music? I also would like to know why, if you and the whole community wants independence - or to own anything to samba culture - from brazilian culture, why dont you fight to change the name? That would be a good begining. That`s what cultures actually do when they want independence and to claim its maturity. They claim their own terminology. But i see you, and the whole ballroom community, make the opposite! You fight to maintain the name. This is really fishy. I also think you guys are prompt and ready to act like names do not matter, and like names have no reason to exist, but if someone misrepresent your own culture, calling your mother-language by other name, or calling yor ethnic traces by the name of other, you would not like it. You can convince me otherwise, but i doubt it.
Latino M. the roots are from brazil. just the very basics (like some steps and mostly: the rythym.)
but officially, it does not take after the traditional brazil samba at all. its more like a ballroom dance. every single styles in ballroom have their very own "figure alphabet". these are recorded in a book, and surely required at competitions, to follow these rules. if you would do traditional brazilian samba at a ballroom comeptetion, you would not get too much scores.
so once again. totally different styles. the name the same. but requirements are totally different
Máté Kovács Hi mate, you said that the basics steps and rhythmic are the same. So, i decided to post videos with testimonies, documents and images for you to see that´s not right. The videos are from scholars from canada, usa, london and brazil. Here we go.
1)First, the steps of ballroom competition came from Maxixe , extinct brazilian dance, danced to a type of music distinct from samba. As you can see in video bellow, there is the history of maxixe, and a video with maxixe dance (first video go to 11 : 30 to see the figures and steps of maxixe, mostly the same as used in your ballroom):
watch?v=B6iQyDCOFk8 (maxixe, a dança perdida)
watch?v=42J2e54HtDE (as figuras coereograficas do maxixe)
2) you said that the rhythm is the same. Well I'm sorry, but i still didn't find one single ballroom video with a real samba music. So, i would like to know what are you talking about, please. Samba music is very peculiar and it has a offbeat structure very different from any other caribou and south-american music. Most of the nature of the samba beat comes from interpretations of old afro-brazilian regions, present also in capoeira. Videos below, with a documenter from bbc, backed up my claims:
watch?v=9WOgH4gs0R8 ( BBC Brasil Brasil 'episodio 01)
3) There is a ballroom style of samba, created in correspondence to samba swing , samba rhythm and the personality and spirit of brazilian dancers and singers. it has the very soul and essence of samba. It shares structural elements with tango, son cubano, maxixe, lambada, forro, and a lot of other social dances from brazil and south'america. its structural identity is centered in steplike tranca, facao, paulistinha, and others that makes it fit to dance to the offbeat style of samba music. You can see the history of it in the first video (with subtitles) and two champions in the second:
watch?v=h2zlMxaUI2A (Samba de gafiera - Documentaire - ''Un pied dans la samba'' (for the subtitles press ''CC'')
watch?v=WHiWT9mFxNc ( Dos Bailadores 25-10-2013 demo Anderson & Brenda Samba de Gafieira HD quality)
4) so, you have the history, the videos, the documents and references showed. So, i will let you judge by yourself about who is lying and who is the spammer and troll with unsolicited and superfluous information. Samba culture is documented and registered in text and literature all around the world. You said that ballroom version is different from the traditional and original one. So, my question remains: why the ballroom community insist in call it samba. not even the origins are from samba, as you can see in the maxixe video. I am afraid that your generation is being damaged by this misrepresentation more than anyone: i respect your talent and effort, and i regret the fact your professors and your community do not let available the information and knowledge about the art you are practicing. You know that without enlightenment there is no artistic maturity. To let you guys thinking you are dancing to samba, instead of naming it with your own european name, concept and history, is equivalent as to limit you guys to a fraud. The same is valid for the old practitioners that come to learn something about samba and brazil, seduced, and end up learning a steriotype of old maxixe, with almost nothing related to brazil. greetings.
dancetjoen thank you very much, im a competitive ballroom dancer, so know these steps :)
dancetjoen unfortunately im not THAT Máté Kovács. :) im a bit younger than him. but Andrea Keleti and her husband: Zoltán Kovács taught me everything that i know.
First couple were the best .
energic and happiness,love latin, love all dancers,love dancing.
just found out courtesy of Teddy, song name is Club Des Belugas - Straight to Memphis
First couple is the best
Martino and Michelle are heads and tails above the rest!
They are totally perfect from rythm down to countings of fundamental steps
Don’t assume they’re a couple but I agree!
この曲めっちゃカッコイイですね！20番めっちゃ楽しそう♪ 誰の何という曲なのでしょう？
We all want moves like that. 🔥🔥🔥
Facts
Hermosos vestidos de las chicas...😱
First was the most enjoyable
Amazing dancing. (What are the suits standing at the edges of the dance floor? Security? Judges? I thought they were cut-outs of people until several dancers in.)
I am rooting for the first and the last couples!
Que bacán! 😎🙌😋🎶
so who won?? what is that great song???
I found out about Club Des Belugas watching this. Great music!
The German couple was my favorite. I learned great dance moves.
20 je top
whats the music for the first couple?
The first italian couple YUSSS.. Their dance - it was always exciting.. I loved one of the moves where they were walking fwd and the girl would keep turning back n forth.. The girl was even more animated than the guy... I found with some of these couples the girl didn't tend to make as much big moves as the man n kinda stood n looked pretty n took part in turns.. but the first couple it felt like both were putting in equal effort.. The second italian couple and the Austrian.. I didn't like the woman's costume much at all.. You really need something to lengthen the legs and show full movement.. Again.. the first italian couple.. they were both colourful and showed the right amount of skin.. Denmark I appreciate the unique dress but it covered her shape and anything baggy can take away from their dancing, at least in this style
I agree. The last Girl wore a shapeless Bag. Did you notice how they shortened the Dancing Time for the first Couple compared to the Others? Listen to the Music and compare. Is that allowed?
I like this catchy song, who sings it and what is the name of the song?
Does anybody know the name of the song?
WOW the number 17 has killer moves
Best of the best > the first couple !!
The German team did it for me 🖤
... there is an error in the names of the last couple ...., it is not Daniele Sargenti, it is Martino Z. and Michelle A. ....
Technically speaking the second couple Russia was perfection
Napiszcie mi proszę tytuł piosenki do której tancza
The third couple, the man is awesome
Yes the woman was terrible for the third couple but the man was on fire. The second couple, Russia, was the best technically speaking they were amazing and the man's spins were phenomenal
everyone knows the name of song?
does anyone know the name of this theme song ? please tell m
somebody know the title of this song?
The second couple is just perfect❤🔥🔥🔥🔥🥹
first, that is not samba, and second, that is not samba music, why did they use rock to dance "samba"?
actually this is ballroom samba, its other kind of samba made for ballroom competions.
what is the song?
who won?
The Russians were awesome, loved their solo.
The songgg ?
From Wikipedia
"The international Ballroom version of samba is a lively, rhythmical dance with elements from Brazilian samba. It has recently been exposed to the American public in television programmes such as Strictly come dancing and Dancing with the stars. It differs considerably from the original samba styles of Brazil, in particular it differs from Ballroom Samba in Brazil itself. It is often not always danced to music with a samba rhythm and often danced to music with less complex 2/4 and 4/4 time. In particular in the popular television programmes Strictly come dancing and Dancing with the stars it almost never danced to samba music or a samba rhythm. Moreover its performance does not necessarily include the characteristic steps from Samba no Pé. In many other ways it though been influenced by the Brazilian version of samba, in particular maxixe, and subsequently developed independently from samba in Brazil."
As a ballroom dance, the samba is a partner dance. Ballroom samba, even more than other ballroom dances, is very disconnected from the origins and evolution of the music and dance that gives it its name."
What is the name of this song and who is the singer, please??
club des belugas - straight to memphis
I like this song. What is the name?
Thank you for sharing my love
final result?
Can anyone provide the name of this song??
Where is the samba music?!!
what is the title of this song
Eu falo ou vocês falam?
Who won? ... .. I think the 2nd couple expressed the heart of Samba the best. Complete coupleship. They were inseperable, sexy and right on time for everything.
The 2nd Couple reminds me of the Lyre Bird's Dance! Also of Ed Sheeran's "Thinking Out Loud". This dance should be sexy and about coupleship. The others were too independent IMO.
Couple #1
the song is : Club Des Belugas - Straight to Memphis
Thank you Teddy, I have been searching everywhere. It is so catchy
MUY EXELENTE PERFECTO
what song?
What song is this?
Marya Tzaptasvili.. she is Georgian! bravo girl
come si chiama la canzone?
I like dancing.,, Latin..
Bravo~
I have a curiosity. How sports dancers dance on real life.
cha cha samba...........it all looks the same to me. I would love to see them dance like no one was looking and they didn't see the crowd.
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Couple #1 won...
What's the title of the song?
whats the title of the song? please??
zufrieden23 straight to Memphis
come si chiama la canzone
First couple best far too, 0:44 - 0:48 killing the beat
Couple @20 won this Samba
PL Gurom #2021
The females dancers have such amazing muscle control and fluidity, I wonder if they also train in ballet and belly dancing.
I doubt it because they train muscles differently. Latin dancing is done with feet in a v position for most dances and if you do belly dancing and ballet it can confuse the muscle memory and its always all about the footwork with ballroom. The energy transfers up the body and its mostly using an active core. They arent using individual muscles in the legs isolatedly usually and its more like how electricity is transferred through wires. So in this case its from the feet to the core to the rest of the body where u need it to move while the remaining muscles remain still. Isolation techniques train the rest of the body to remain still while energy is transferred only to the parts it needs to flow to.
41 is the best!
1st couple. The woman was like water. But the dress of #2👍
🌗
Thank you for sharing this video!
does anyone know the song's name and who is the singer? I like it!
What's the song??
Straight to memphis - Club des belugas
Was able to track down the musical artists and the music behind the samba number you see and hear in the video. It was...
Song Title: "Down To Memphis"
Artist: Club des Belugas
Got the title a bit wrong. It is "Straight to Memphis". The artists singing that are still correctly confirmed as Club des Belugas.
Those women bodies: Perfection...
what kinda of dance are they dancing?
You can tell from the title of the video! Samba
haha dumbass
dancetjoen from where the hell do you get this nonsense that you spew like shit from your putrified mouth? You invent facts to defend your pathetic dance.
I do not care if you dance it, but CHANGE THE NAME.
Or at least, dance it to SAMBA MUSIC!
Rogério Penna: Ballroom Samba or Standard Samba, either name
Dänemark!
What is the name of the song they are all performing to?
Song Name: Straight to Memphis
2013 월드 라틴 삼바
song name any1 ?
Club des Belugas - Straight to Memphis
Look around a few posts and you'll find out. Sheesh...
straight to memphis
20 top ITALY
OMG THE BEST DANCES EVER i love it