Bat's - How to Study Professional Go Games

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  • čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
  • So, after repeatedly being asked how to study professional games, I've decided to try and form an answer.
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Komentáře • 213

  • @Jellywicks
    @Jellywicks Před 9 lety +11

    This video was great. I recently got back into playing and very much enjoy going over games. Having you go through them and show some different possibilities really helped in understanding. Great Job!! Hope to watch so more.

    • @dwyrin
      @dwyrin  Před 9 lety +1

      Landen Gelwicks Nice! Good luck with with the game!

  • @sfincione2000
    @sfincione2000 Před 8 lety +9

    Very nice walkthrough. It's really helpful for us learning the finer points of Go. Thanks for taking the time to do these videos. It's very much appreciated.

  • @christianjeffress5312
    @christianjeffress5312 Před 8 lety +29

    I first heard of Go from Hikaru no Go, great game.

    • @Jedimasteroflight
      @Jedimasteroflight Před 8 lety

      Me too, but where do you get a go board?

    • @christianjeffress5312
      @christianjeffress5312 Před 8 lety

      +Thomas Rivaldi Amazon

    • @miawoo2461
      @miawoo2461 Před 7 lety +1

      Christian Jeffress same I learned the basics now but when I see pros playing I can't understand each stone 😂😂

    • @pckcentral
      @pckcentral Před 7 lety

      you won.t understand of move until knows basic move how to survive and fight. play more and learn from mistake to go up ladder lanking. maybe 5k start have more fun. I am a 2d .

  • @aaronnevarez8072
    @aaronnevarez8072 Před 11 lety +2

    Would definitely love to see more videos in this format! Especially on studying pro games! I've been studying pro games from the start(like literally 30kyu) up till now(7kyu) and I find there is something helpful about it regardless of strength! Please keep up the awesome work!

  • @erichotts4685
    @erichotts4685 Před 11 lety +1

    Loved this video. I would really like to see a series on this. Hard to find commentary on professional games I can understand because generally the commentators speak on a higher assumed level of the viewers than I have. Also hard to find commentary on professional games i can understand without subtitles ;). This video satisfied both of my biggest problems! Please continue!

  • @dwyrin
    @dwyrin  Před 11 lety +5

    Hmmm probably not for 15kyu, though i have heard of having some people walk through pro games just to get a feel for proper direciton, even if they dont understand it. I would just focus on playing and reading eyes, liberties, large points, not following opponent around the board at that level, though.

  • @EIectricEmotions
    @EIectricEmotions Před 10 lety +37

    I recently just started playing this game, and all I can say is:
    I wanna be the very best, that no one ever was.

    • @Burps___
      @Burps___ Před 7 lety +1

      EIectricEmotions You should get there in about 66 years, give or take a decade. 😀

    • @videotape5007
      @videotape5007 Před 7 lety

      lol yeah everyone does

    • @vasilisdaltas4833
      @vasilisdaltas4833 Před 6 lety +1

      EIectricEmotions are you any good after 4 years

    • @paysonfox88
      @paysonfox88 Před 5 lety +3

      Fuseki, joseki are my friends , and framework is my cause. I will travel across the board, fighting near and faaaarrr! attack weak stones for benefit,-- as I move up to DAAAAANNNN!!!!
      Basics are my best friend, you teach me and I teach you "badduk mooooonnn!!!"

  • @waikeong8735
    @waikeong8735 Před 6 lety

    I first watched this lecture a 2 years back when I was still 5 kyu, and it felt hard to understand. Now watching it as a 2D, I could follow along Batt's variations and reading, and it was really insightful! Great lecture!

  • @joshuawhitlock8938
    @joshuawhitlock8938 Před 10 lety +5

    You are a tad more skilled then you let on and flippin' adorable! XD High five for a great video and hope to see you on KGS

  • @GaryGP40
    @GaryGP40 Před 10 lety

    I really enjoyed this and was playing along with you (lol my Go board looks exactly like yours!) - but one thing is you took the time to try an explain the basic concepts, which is great, at the beginning and got rushed towards the end. Other than that (and yes, I am KGS member but nowhere near your skill) - great video and quite helpful. More analysis is always appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.

  •  Před 10 lety +6

    Your lectures are really valuable dude!!!!

    • @dwyrin
      @dwyrin  Před 10 lety +3

      Glad you like them! ive recently purchased a better camera to get back into creating these

    •  Před 10 lety

      Perfect! I am looking forward to it.

  • @fragmentsofgame
    @fragmentsofgame Před 11 lety

    finally on a real board!. Decent setup. Hearing the board is great. Don't worry for putting exactly the stones in place.
    I'm missing some tips to the close fighting moves. probably the last ones.
    Good review . Waiting for the series.

  • @gaijinmika
    @gaijinmika Před 11 lety +1

    Great commentary, very useful and clear ! For a noob in go like me, this is gold !
    Thanks a lot, and keep on rocking at Go ! :D

  • @19tb89
    @19tb89 Před 11 lety

    i like this format a lot. for me, it's easier and more fun to follow a review on a real board.

  • @johabee
    @johabee Před 11 lety +1

    Ha! He's alive, and has hands! Love to hear those stones clickin' :-) nice to see/hear amidst all that digital go

  • @CrazyChaoticCarnival
    @CrazyChaoticCarnival Před 11 lety

    Love the potential for a series here. Studying pro games is something I was just about getting ready to start doing seriously.

  • @serenityindeed
    @serenityindeed Před 10 lety

    Really liked the video, I've been struggling to become more than a newbie player and these kind of videos are very helpful!

    • @dwyrin
      @dwyrin  Před 10 lety

      Hope they help, serenity!

  • @arp1407
    @arp1407 Před 11 lety

    Awesome video (hopefully series)!!! The board is definitely easier to follow. Thanks

  • @PeteOneMillion
    @PeteOneMillion Před 11 lety

    Wonderful video, thanks for posting! I always enjoy your commentary, but seeing it on a real board with clear audio is quite the treat.

  • @cuc9605
    @cuc9605 Před 9 lety

    Thank you for sharing. Your presentation was enjoyable to watch and it helped to know that you also did not review the game before. You made it appear very easy and enjoyable. I made some notes where you stress the importance of sente and what you can do. It was interesting to see how it seemed rather sudden (at the end of the game) that White was behind.
    The most confusing part was the end of the game. I wondered if the Black group on the upper edge was still alive if White could make enough liberties for himself and why Black did not take the Ko and smash White. I was also confused about the number of points each player had. But after staring at the board for a couple of minutes, I convinced myself that Black won by a large margin and that White was just grasping at straws.

  • @PhilippeCarphin
    @PhilippeCarphin Před 11 lety

    Yes and the idea of a series on "How to Study Games" is really appealing to me.

  • @MegaMarty99
    @MegaMarty99 Před 9 lety

    why has it taken me this long to find your channel!? amazingly helpful video (one of many by you actually) I look forward to more awesome content and going through your older videos. +1 sub!

    • @dwyrin
      @dwyrin  Před 9 lety

      MegaMarty99 Glad you found me! Enjoy the channel~

  • @dorothykremer6141
    @dorothykremer6141 Před 9 lety +1

    I have watched many professional GO study games, and so far yours is the easiest to understand. thank you

  • @DevinFraze
    @DevinFraze Před 11 lety

    Really awesome video. One of my favorites that you've done. I'm only 7k now, so not quite strong enough to get a lot out of reviewing games myself, but watching you review them is gold. Thanks!

  • @mohdfaizal7717
    @mohdfaizal7717 Před 9 lety

    all this time trying to undesrtand all the talk about a pro game... i actually found one.. thx man.... u clearly explain ths game to me.. keep up ur good work... i'm still learning tho... peace...

  • @thanatos167
    @thanatos167 Před 11 lety

    Typical Bat >.> playing 2 black moves in a row at the end.
    Also, it feels like you don't sacrifice enough. The feeling of the crap-ton of aji in the big sac, the feeling of having so much power, is just beautiful. That aji gave Lee Changho so much sente that it becomes extremely easy to read out anything and make the game simple (at a dan level). Sometimes, you think the darnedest things, but you cater to your audience, most of whom are kyute and would run it out.
    It's beautiful.

  • @stefanholbek2449
    @stefanholbek2449 Před 8 lety +11

    I'm a chessplayer and have absoluuuuuutely no clue what's GOing on here ...
    But I got interested! ;O)
    You guyz may have heard all the bad jokes ... but they are new to me ... so:
    I'll have a GO at it !!!
    (hihihihahahoho ... okay, Stefan ... you can stop laughing now ...)

    • @pckcentral
      @pckcentral Před 7 lety

      you put more stone to surround opponet stone . in end more space win the game. need lots of thinking and stragedy.

    • @pckcentral
      @pckcentral Před 7 lety

      go to tygem get the membership free to play from 18k lowest lank.

    • @rohanneelala6015
      @rohanneelala6015 Před 7 lety

      18k is the lowest rank.. i know people who have been playing for 3 years and only just got to 19k lol

  • @Utopian149
    @Utopian149 Před 11 lety

    Please do much more, even vintage games would be perfect because you can compare and contrasts modern vs vintage tendencies and motivations. Very nice game review tho.

  • @johnparinellojr.2035
    @johnparinellojr.2035 Před 9 lety

    Thanks I've been looking every where for material like this thank you for making this video, it helps a lot !

  • @jakevikoren
    @jakevikoren Před 9 lety

    I really appreciate all of your guidance! It is invaluable in my progression while playing this beautiful game :D

  • @vladi1Z
    @vladi1Z Před 7 lety +2

    The game was so simple up until somewhere near 45:00 when the whole board started being a huge battlefield of headaches x_x

  • @avdwoude
    @avdwoude Před 11 lety

    Very nice explanation, it was easy enough to follow although in the end it went slightly too fast for me, but that is what the pause button is for.
    I am still too much of beginner to understand everything, but I definitely learned something. Keep these videos coming. :-D

  • @SasukeyoUchiha
    @SasukeyoUchiha Před 11 lety

    I liked this very very much I feel like this helped a whole lot! Please continue this as a Series even if its not as easy to set up, thx for the effort bat!

  • @RobinTan
    @RobinTan Před 11 lety

    nice explanation there! hope you will make more of it. I really like the way you explain in the beginning part of this video where you explain about the point of some moves.. like this is small as this gives us around 9 points and stuffs, this move is not going to work coz of this and that.. it really helps a lot in understanding the game. great job!

  • @MrGoMaster
    @MrGoMaster Před 11 lety

    Nice change of video präsentation^^ and it was good to follow. i started to watch this video and couldnt stop. i like how you present your way of thinking during a game and on which points!!! i think a second video like this would be interesting!

  • @PhenomUprising
    @PhenomUprising Před 11 lety

    Wow! That video was useful. It's actually the best review I ever saw online in terms of easy and helpful explanations! And fun too! I really hope you make it a series! ^_^

  • @criggeruk
    @criggeruk Před 11 lety

    Yeah, like the real board. I'd really like to see a game you lose, and then the week after and analysis of it and why you think you lost. this would help me analyse my own fails and look for ways to improve, cheers.

  • @dwyrin
    @dwyrin  Před 11 lety

    Cause i forgot to show that white took the ko and black pushes through thus forcing white to resign the game.

  • @Malote17
    @Malote17 Před 11 lety

    What a wonderful way to start the year, seeing a "live" video from dwyrin :D

  • @TylerProvick
    @TylerProvick Před 11 lety

    I really enjoyed this format and hope to see many more like it.

  • @ktbaduk
    @ktbaduk Před 11 lety

    I enjoyed this am only 14kyu but I can see the potential in a pro game series even if your only a ddk you can still look for good shape and see how pros handle ko fights and life and death.

  • @PhilippeCarphin
    @PhilippeCarphin Před 11 lety

    Wow!! I really love the board setup! I have to say I really enjoy it more this way. Really nice!

  • @samlichtenstein
    @samlichtenstein Před 11 lety

    I (12k?) definitely enjoyed this video and I encourage you to do a series in this format. (Although I like all the go videos you do, so whatever. The citybuilding game videos don't do it for me so much. :-)

  • @westronic
    @westronic Před 9 lety

    Thank you! I shared this with my Go Club in Arizona

  • @simonjager9259
    @simonjager9259 Před 5 lety

    This Video happened before AlphaGo, thats the jumping point. The Differenz between baduk and Risiko is, that in Risiko there is always the possibility to get your ground destroyed. There are no safety eyes as in iGo!

  • @barubarusetto
    @barubarusetto Před 11 lety

    Hey man, that Ko fight was pretty much over once white had no chance of either taking the black group, securing the west side and invading black's north territory, and cutting off the large black group at 10-9 like you mentioned. Because white's 3 stones are dead in the south, there's no way for white to kill it even if he won the KO.
    In my opinion it was kind of surprising that white didn't resign after he couldn't fight for the large group because he seemed behind in points most of the time

  • @dwyrin
    @dwyrin  Před 11 lety

    on my channel you can view my playlists containing these. my lists of playlists should be close to the bottom.

  • @Dyarob
    @Dyarob Před 11 lety

    Pretty nice commentary, thank you very much for that :)
    Pro games are sometimes so tricky to study...

  • @tokinonagare27
    @tokinonagare27 Před 11 lety

    Nice video! Hope to see more of these on the real board. :)
    By the way, even without the exchange in the top right (from camera perspective), the ladder starting from the left side fight was good for black.

  • @incomparableGrimaud
    @incomparableGrimaud Před 11 lety

    While watching your video, I was understanding everything in the game. I said to myself:" Boy, am I smart!" But at the moment your explanations stopped, it was back to my former not so bright self. Bonjour la désillusion. Anyway, thank you.

  • @eikons
    @eikons Před 11 lety

    If you mean the game that Shikamaru plays, that's Shogi, which is very very different. I don't know if Go came up in the series at a later point. I've seen up to ep 200 or so.

  • @stephenkullas3369
    @stephenkullas3369 Před 10 lety

    Great choice for the game! Keep them coming.

  • @Kexeessen
    @Kexeessen Před 10 lety

    Thank you very much for this video! I recently bought "Invincible" and wondered how to study the games. As I started, I just searched the kifu for the next number and placed it on the board, pausing every few moves to look at the board and trying to understand. But I kind of didn't ask myself what would be the next move. Maybe because I think too lowly (?) of my skills and that I wouldn't guess right anyway... So I just kept putting the stones in order, waiting for the next comment in the book to come. But, oh well, didn't help me, because I wasn't paying attention to the GAME, but only to the NUMBERS in the book... Not effective. I guess I have to try it your way :D

  • @frodwith
    @frodwith Před 11 lety

    It seemed to me that you looked at this game primarily from black's perspective. Do you usually review games from one player's perspective?
    Also, absolutely loved this. If you wanted to stream with your webcam for your semi-weekly lessons, I would not complain at all ;)

  • @dwyrin
    @dwyrin  Před 11 lety

    Could be a beginner thing. If the game is very territorial then you may wind up fighting over everything which can clutter the board up quite a bit. However,if you're always playing just next to each others stones...and not seeing the larger part of the board, definitely beginner thing.

  • @EskilVarenius
    @EskilVarenius Před 11 lety

    Excellent game review dwyrin! I really like it alot, and I would really enjoy more reviews from you on a real board. One question: Where do you find your pro games to go review? If you want you could perhaps also review some classic games e.g. Shusaku etc. Would be great to hear your thoughts on such games.

  • @bustaballs
    @bustaballs Před 11 lety

    He's blind but manages to play go through his super power of echo location.

  • @e4jasperi
    @e4jasperi Před 11 lety

    Thank you for this! Please don't stop making these videos. It's awesome to have english speaking go teachers.
    One question tho, Why the profound hate for Kos?

  • @Maddlynz
    @Maddlynz Před 10 lety

    Very helpful! Please make more like this

  • @Boobyzas
    @Boobyzas Před 11 lety

    Just keep going, what you do is amazing.

  • @leytnerj
    @leytnerj Před 7 lety

    Josh excellent video, I have a question and maybe an Idea for a set of videos, how to study openings and josekys, I want to learn how to play more with and against orthodox, kobayashi, sanrensei, and the rest, and discover why some things are considered good, risky or bad, like the 2 points long knight extension from the 4/4 point that we always play only one point small knight. I hope you understand my doubt after all this paragraph.

  • @geodude501
    @geodude501 Před 11 lety

    Great video, would love to see a series on a goban. One comment: It'd be helpful if you could flip the video so that we see the board from your perspective. Thanks!

  • @MrShikasta
    @MrShikasta Před 11 lety

    best lecture for a while..thx

  • @fragmentsofgame
    @fragmentsofgame Před 11 lety

    you can try gokifu.com, updated every day (and classics too)

  • @adimeshort
    @adimeshort Před 11 lety +1

    "don't ask how I set this up..."
    lol, immediately thought duct tape

  • @toddtrimble2555
    @toddtrimble2555 Před 7 lety

    Well done! Some very thoughtful commentary there, although I personally would have to slow down a little over the ko battle. :-) What's your current ranking?

  • @dwyrin
    @dwyrin  Před 11 lety

    Look further into the game. White does try to play the elephant eye

  • @QuanYin71
    @QuanYin71 Před 11 lety

    Bat , thanks for showing this vid.
    You make Go seem so simple :)

  • @Gilikman
    @Gilikman Před 11 lety

    Hey bat, in the fuseki, why did you suggest the one space encloser in the top right corner instead of the knight one? isn't enclosing high bad, because b can take the middle top first and because of his corner on the top left make it a fair framework?

  • @christopherholfeld8137
    @christopherholfeld8137 Před 11 lety

    i noticed that 2 but it didn't really matter with white resigning what extra stone white had

  • @coreygraham860
    @coreygraham860 Před 8 lety

    Are there any programs that print game moves in list form rather than diagram form? I'd like to start reviewing games on a real board, but I think the diagrams would spoil the moves.

  • @Malote17
    @Malote17 Před 11 lety

    Might want to check Hikaru no Go. That's how I got to know the game, and it's a wonderful Anime/Manga.

  • @Stdvwr
    @Stdvwr Před 11 lety

    at 49:15 I don't see black's move as a connection. White can just cut through that elephant's eye and black's further cut would do nothing as white had 2 ways to connect. I mean, in that position b could still do nasty things to w, but nothing more than he could do immediately after white's hane. So why doesn't white cut that thing or why did he hane in the first place?

  • @eikons
    @eikons Před 11 lety

    I just tried rotating it 180 degrees and it looks really odd because of the perspective. I'd rather look at it the way it is. Not much of a hassle to figure out what you mean by "right side" or "left side".

  • @Hugh_Jasssss
    @Hugh_Jasssss Před 8 lety

    Excellent video.

  • @ivang.santiagoc1921
    @ivang.santiagoc1921 Před 8 lety

    La comunidad latina agradecería mucho que éstos vídeos tan pedagógicos sean editados en ESPAñOL.

  • @nathanielmatychuk3400
    @nathanielmatychuk3400 Před 8 lety +1

    So intriguing!

  • @Thofte
    @Thofte Před 11 lety

    it was awesome. Please more!!!

  • @dorgenarkify
    @dorgenarkify Před 11 lety

    During the End game and around 53 minutes into the video instead of B (18,7) wouldn't a stronger move be B (13,7) putting W (13-6) in an atari and potentially threatening White by possibly making use of B (15,6)?

  • @Randomikkk
    @Randomikkk Před 11 lety

    I find it weird that black actually responded to D14 by playing E15 at 8:13 . The atari is not severe on either side. Wouldn't a pincer somewhere around D10 be much more vital? I think white would be very bad. I don't get it. Also, if white invaded 3-3 at the 10:26 position I think black would play E4 instead of B3 then if white E3 just B4 and follow joseki. Black can end in sente without any real big weakness and attack white with a double pincer. Not criticizing just asking. Its interesting ^^

  • @BFPBFPBFPBFP
    @BFPBFPBFPBFP Před 11 lety

    In your research have you encountered any games which had one player completely destroyed who, through some freak series of serendipitous moves, managed to win? Could you feature a couple of those? Also, have you done the Hiroshima Bomb game? It would be nice to see that one narrated as well.

  • @joshuanuckolls9871
    @joshuanuckolls9871 Před 10 lety

    fasinating this is the best breakdown of a match I've ever seen

  • @mag1cuser
    @mag1cuser Před 11 lety

    excellent lecture once again :)

  • @lschi001
    @lschi001 Před 11 lety

    Thank you for this video! I liked it very much!

  • @josephlevy6254
    @josephlevy6254 Před 11 lety

    I have only been playing for a few months, so this might be a dumb question, but couldn't white have taken the large black group at 10-9? I tried to do a play through and it seemed like he could have captured. I'm not sure if that would have been enough to win, but it would have made the game much closer if he could.

  • @TheRectangularVerb
    @TheRectangularVerb Před 11 lety

    I loved the video. Why did black get two moves in the end? The last two moves were black, it seems to me...

  • @hs3327
    @hs3327 Před 10 lety

    at 26:57 black doesn't need that exchange for the ladder to work

  • @SMGG74
    @SMGG74 Před 11 lety

    That's funny, I thought white had the advantage all through the beginning and a bit of the middle, but then black just came out of nowhere and won! Funny how Go works

  • @chenbaosen
    @chenbaosen Před 11 lety

    I like the board view batt! =)

  • @gomezz8767
    @gomezz8767 Před 10 lety

    Thank you for this great video!

  • @blavalleesimon1
    @blavalleesimon1 Před 11 lety

    I don't know where to comment but the two last moves of the game are played by black. In fact I have no Idea wath can be big enough to avoid White from winning the ko and therefore the game....can you help me?

  • @dwyrin
    @dwyrin  Před 11 lety

    Glad to hear~

  • @senohpoxas88
    @senohpoxas88 Před 11 lety

    Is there anyway you can make a playlist of all of your videos in this series? Or a go section in your channel? You have a lot of things to comb through to find these.

  • @Baobei666
    @Baobei666 Před 11 lety

    don't you like to be able to save variation on a client rather than real board?

  • @PavelBlackbird
    @PavelBlackbird Před 11 lety

    Thank you. Now i have an idea how to go over prefessional game:) (Like when to think - when on has sente ...)

  • @paulbickley658
    @paulbickley658 Před 7 lety +1

    interesting instruction, it is hard to learn since I know as a beginner that once the pieces are place they are not supposed to be pick up. that is confusing...

    • @dwyrin
      @dwyrin  Před 7 lety

      Once you've picked up the basics you should be able to follow along a bit better. And this real board series that I am doing this month is filled with tips for beginners to follow along the game with!

    • @paulbickley658
      @paulbickley658 Před 7 lety

      dwyrin. I have won 6 games to 3, does that count...

    • @paulbickley658
      @paulbickley658 Před 7 lety

      dwyrin thanks dude, speaking of dudes, theduda2 never replied to my msgs. mayby he thinks I am bit serious about learning. So do you ever use go of the world? Or that online go site I think you suggested. I go by Pauley on both.

  • @Vega2k4
    @Vega2k4 Před 11 lety

    thank you so much for this. u really are my hero!

  • @HarpinIlya
    @HarpinIlya Před 10 lety

    Great lesson. What kind of stones are you using? They just sound great!

    • @dwyrin
      @dwyrin  Před 10 lety

      Just glass on an agathis board

    • @HarpinIlya
      @HarpinIlya Před 10 lety

      dwyrin
      Thanks. Could you give me a link to the place I can buy a board like this?

  • @oscarsilva4529
    @oscarsilva4529 Před 10 lety

    Clear. Thanks bro.

  • @colinminnema5199
    @colinminnema5199 Před 10 lety +5

    I'd resign too if Black got two moves in a row at 54:50...

    • @olehkrotovych6137
      @olehkrotovych6137 Před 9 lety +1

      actually it would mean, that black loses instantly ;)

    • @boumbh
      @boumbh Před 9 lety +2

      Oleh Krotovych Maybe white passed once before resigning...

    • @dickreckard5026
      @dickreckard5026 Před 7 lety

      That's what I was thinking. I only understand Go on the most very basic of levels, I've been doing Tsumego puzzles for about 3 days and am still trying to wrap my head around the logic behind Go strategy.

    • @rohanneelala6015
      @rohanneelala6015 Před 7 lety

      tsumego is less important for beginners the only tsumego beginners need to know about is two eyes, it is better to learn about haengenma and joseki first as it gives a deeper understanding of scoring points