Leafs Exit Grades and What Comes Next with James Mirtle | JD Bunkis Podcast
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- čas přidán 6. 05. 2024
- James Mirtle, Senior Managing Editor with The Athletic, joins JD Bunkis to look ahead to Friday's Maple Leafs management press conference, before getting into what’s next for Mitch Marner, Sheldon Keefe's job security and other coaching options available.
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I disowned the Leafs several years ago, but I have to admit, Willy is a playoff giant and the one guy earning his money. He is unflappable under pressure. He's the only one on the team unfortunately.
Giant? Come on lol nobody on the Leafs roster is a playoff giant.
@@TimmyThomas1532 Trust me, he's the only player on the team that can rise to the occasion. And I am not a Leaf fan - if you ask the opposition, he's the key that scares them. Very few in the NHL like him.
Until fans boycott games and stop paying extortion prices to watch games, this will never change. Boycotts work, when you hit their bottom line, they are forced to listen to the fans. I’m a die hard Leafs fan for decades, stopped going to games and buying merchandise, saving money and time on useless games that in the long run make money for everyone else except me. Especially for a product that isn’t worth it.
Watch - nothing will change. Except maybe Keefe being fired… which won’t move the needle. It doesn’t matter who coaches this team. This core four/five - you cannot win with them for multiple reasons… not the least of which is having half your cap hit being eaten up by playoff non performers.
Mitch will never leave the Leafs. He just said he was treated like a "God". Who would ever say no to being a God?
He said the fans treat us like God,
@@marcob6880 Like I said, he was treated like a God. He liked being treated like a God. Wouldn't you like to be treated like a God? All Hail the Mighty Mitch!
@@Tiglath-PileserXIX What Mitch said was is that the "players are looked upon as gods and they(the fans) really love us" listen to his interview again, he DID NOT SAY HE WAS A GOD, stop spreading internet nonsense
@@marcob6880 Absolutely agree with you. He didn't say he was a God. He said he was treated like a God. Even marcob6880 said so ... wait ... that's you. Enuf said.
@Tiglath-PileserXIX the only question I have is how it's his fault that for the most part a lot of LeaFs fans are delusional?
Marner has become the scapegoat. Fans think it's all his fault. Thankfully GM's never listen to fans.
as a leaf fan, I love watching the regular season and have no expectations for the playoffs.....how happy would we be watching a team that plays the trap....
The coach needs to go as well as management
watch the leafs bring in Dominique “Dom” Ducharme 😂
34 has underperformed equally (or you can say even worse, since he’s the team’s best player) in the postseasons, yet he’s flying under the radar. I hope once Marner leaves, the media will dare to hold Matthews accountable. He can’t just be a regular season superstar
I just loved Kampfs hustle and ability to put pressure on the opposing team to me he's a keeper
Mitch. It’s the centre of hockey. Storied franchise
mitch thinks he is the centre of hockey
@@Sir_Godzworst. Mitch thinks he’s a god.
Mitch Marner - back checking all the way back to his own net in OT:
Mark is a fail- F
{Why did Mitch from the blue line - just watch his check cross in front of the Leaf net to score in OT?}
Because he doesn't care, that's why!
@@user-gk7ri1em4x In a way - it might be a Leaf Coaching error partially
@@jimlangdon1947 Hi. How is a coach responsible for somebody's lack of interest? Keefe made a lot of mistakes, but he is off the hook here. Marner`s mentality is a problem. Arrogant and entitled kid, that needs a serious wake up call.
Imagine you are one of those leafs, that worked their ass off to get back in to the series. Now you are watching your teammate look over at the eventual series ending goal scorer, skate right past him. Is that someone you want on your team? Team mates and fans are tired of that.
@@deanjohnston137 Mitch would be more respected if he owed up to his screw up right after game 7. Instead he pushed Sammy & Morgan under the bus. If Mitch was my teammate - my wish is that he only plays in regular season games.
Why is JD dressed like it's January?
Rogers trying to pinch pennies on utilities to help pay for the dome renos
Hip hop giant
Buy Mitch and Tavares out and move on - if they won’t wave.
They each have 1 year to go. Both of them get giant bonuses on July 1st - then their salaries are cheap. Tavares would cost $303,333 this year and next, while Marner would cost $258,333 this year and next. you'd actually save a little less than a million bucks next year.
You’re stuck with their cap hits next year no matter what. But you’d be able to go and get two better contributors and test them in big roles by spending Brodie & Samsonov money to pay them - then the following year, you’d have almost $25M in cap space to continue the progress they’d move on with next year.
I’d rather pay them all the money now and be able to move forward and find better, long term solutions starting next season - rip the expensive bandaids off ASAP - if you don’t expect either one to be on the team in 2026
Smart!
"Rehearsal" is what you have done leading up to this perfect performance
It’s crazy to think they would Extend Mitch and keep the coach. This teams mental lol.
And what was the score in the Boston Florida game last night ? hhmm.
Exactly. The Leafs are a VERY good team. One lucky bounce and it would have been the Leafs pummeling Florida last night.
@@schmingusss 🤣
How you should really look at the playoff losses, since the hope and expectation is the Stanley cup, is that every round you dont win is a loss. This includes the rounds after the 1st round. If the expectation was that you would win 4 rounds and you dont win any, then you've lost 4 rounds. That brings their record to 1/33 in 8 years with the Columbus loss.
Going back with the same four guys is insane but of course it would be funny if thats what gonna happen in the end
The problem for Marner now is no way Toronto can win every year because no one does so every year the fans will blame him more.
34:27 🤣👍
What do expect, they aren’t going to say anything negative about there teammates , it’s been 8 years changes must be happen if don’t expect anything different next season
The shanny plan is exactly what he has delivered, make the playoffs every year and have a chance.
I don't see Tavares or Marner waiving their NMC and since Shanahan's got one year left on his deal I see them running it back one more time until they can get rid of Tavares' $11 Million, Marner's contract, and not renew Shanahan's deal.
When these players are treated like Gods, good luck getting them to waiving their NMC.
Yeah only keefe is leaving this team this year. All the arm chair gms here and in TO are fooling themselves expecting these guys to waive their nmc's to help the leafs
If none of the “Core 4” are open to moving, you’re stuck with them!
JD, great show as always. James is always a great guest too...As I'm sitting here amazed that the Leafs weren't eliminated in 5 games, I'm thinking they're going to do absolutely nothing at Friday's presser other than possibly get rid of Keefe (and I have my doubts about that).
The reason I say this is because the precedent has already been set by the Toronto Blue Jays last year. They piddled through last season letting the children run the asylum. Then they perform the cu**ter**ck of the decade and pull a pitcher that was throwing fire early in the last game of their season. What did they do after that nightmare? Pretty much nothing. And guess what? Everybody's back to watch the Blue Jays with nary a word being said.
Back to the Leafs...A good percentage of Leafs's's's (sorry, didn't know when to stop) season's tickets are held by corporations, so they're not going away, and the rest of us will gladly line up to overpay to see one or possibly two games a year, because that's all we can afford (are the beers over $20 apiece yet?).
If they do anything, some of the lower level people may go, but I think the "shittaplan" maybe around for another year...
Keep up the great work.
Mitch is done and all the fanboys can’t handle it. The few that remain are trying to defend him.
I actually disagree somewhat with JD's analysis.
Statistically, its more likely the Leafs will win a Stanley Cup with a rookie coach then with a Stanley Cup veteran coach.
Who was Mike Sullivan before Pittsburgh? Who was Jon Cooper before Tampa? They never coached a Stanley Cup winning team before.
I'm not knocking Berube, but don't think that just because he coached a team to a Stanley Cup that that makes him more qualified than someone with fresh ideas to win in the playoffs.
Toronto desperately needs that stud goalie would make a world of difference for thos team
Why can’t you give him a contract, but refuse to give him a NMC and do a 10 - 15 team.
Too late - he won't accept. He's always gotten his way.
Leafs have weak ownership and management.
What about mitch going to Pittsburgh? Dubas loves him and he'd look good beside Syd
I would like to see him go to Ottawa for Tkachuk...not that it's ever gonna happen.
Mitch put a list of 5 teams or you're on the 4th line and you get 4th line minutes
I believe, the coaching change will be the only thing the MLSE will do in the off season when it comes to the Leafs. As JD said more and more fans are checking out, because they are disgusted, but there is still enough those, who will fall for `let's run it back one more time` plan and the owners know that. They know, that the team will make them tons of money no matter what so they have no reason to change anything. That is the main reason why we are where we are - it's our fault, because we allowed this to happen. Something like this is impossible in the Europe. The fans, especially a soccer fans, would never allow the owners and the management to be so careless and the players so arrogant. That's why they don`t that down there, because they simply know, that there would be consequences. You don't do your job as a manager or as a player and you're gonna hear it from the fans - that's how they do it there. They would never tolerate the Leafs something like this. Never! They would first of all stop attending the games. Unfortunately, that won't happen in Toronto anytime soon, maybe never. But what I believe is going to happen soon (if they keep doing business this way) is, that the Leafs will start losing fans, because nobody wants to be associated with notorious losers.
One more thing, that I've been thinking about for quite some time. I would expect former Maple Leafs stars like Clark, Mahovlich or Sittler to express their opinion about the Toronto Maple Leafs and the way they have been doing their business last two decades.. But they are apparently afraid of the consequences. Looks like all that courage they had on the ice when they played for the Leafs has disappeared. And that's very disappointing, because they could (and should) help. But they apparently don't care anymore.
Clark and Sittler would never speak up; they did not accomplish anything themselves.
@@Tiglath-PileserXIX I get your point, but I still wouldn't say they didn't accomplish anything. They both captained the teams, that made it to the Conference final! Daryl in 1977/78 (semifinals against the Montreal Canadiens) and Wendel in 1992/93 (Conference final against the LA Kings) and in 1993/94 (Conference final against the Vancouver Canucks). That's something this team around Matthews and Marner can only dream about, because they are not even close to something like that.
It's only one more season and then J.T is done at 11 mill.....they are going to run it back with a new coach is my bet
Bunkis is a spoiled fanboy who has a hissy fit when things don't go his way. A lot of hockey markets would love to have a team as talented and successful as the TML in the regular season even if it doesn't translate to postseason success. At least Sammy takes it like a man once in a while.
You’re satisfied with losing. You’re a superficial fan. The regular season is your Stanley Cup.
@@HandShakeLineRespect TML fans and media are entitled snobs. That's why they're so universally hated. And why so many talented players want no part of the toxic culture.
@@HandShakeLineRespect Maple Leafs fans and media are entitled snobs. That's why they're so despised universally. And why so many talented athletes want no part of the toxic culture there.
Steve Dangle’s response would have been more entertaining!
The defense does not have a true #1 stud defenceman that a Cup challenging team traditionally needs. Think Makar, Hedman etc. Their special teams systems are not working. They are at least 2 years away from challenging for a Cup.
Mitch will say, “It’s not over till I say it’s over!” [Paul,”What are you gonna tell Mom?” Mitch,”We lost. IDC.”]
The same core four - no play offs next season! Detroit is coming up, New Jersey is getting better, Ottawa has a very talented team - it's gonna be much more difficult to get into the play offs next year!
Lol cmon, this is just silly.
@@Alex-vo2ew Oh yeah? Other teams are getting better. We're not. Where do you think this is all going if we don't make necessary changes?
Detroit and Ottawa will reach the Stanley Cup finals before the Leafs ever will.
@@Tiglath-PileserXIX Hi! You're certainly right! We all know that in Toronto! 🙂
@@user-gk7ri1em4x You're just making baseless assumptions by saying that the leafs wont be a better team next year while everyone around us will be better.
In reality, it's going to come down which guys can take a step forward (Knies, Robertson, Liljegrin and prospects like Cower, Minten) and what the Leaf's do with the cap they have available with Brodie, Bertuzzi, Domi, Sammy, etc off the books.
You're also ignoring the rest of the division. Tampa is likely going to be worse, Boston will be worse and Florida could even regress.
Bring in Mike Keenan.
I think Keefer will end up in Pittsburgh.
So, the only two Leafs whose lifelong dreams were to play for the Leafs are being snubbed by the Leafs fans. Yes, the Leaf Nation loyalty knows no bounds.
Do Leafs fans honestly think that they are going to get away from this core-4 so easily? You're insane 🤣 you're gonna get it for another year. Then we'll see what happens... you KNOW there are analytics guys pointing out that you were one power play goal away from Round 2 🙄
I swear... Marner playing on Bedard's wing for Chicago would be awesome... Mitch wouldn't go for it though 🤷
I'd like to see Marner take up Mormonism.
What about Claude Julian did he not build the culture in Boston
Bunkis!!! We need to talk about removing the "C" from JT and putting it on Austin.
hes also a loser
I don’t think I’d put it on him either. I don’t know who but I really don’t think he’s ready either, maybe I’m wrong. It’s nice to give it to the best goal scorer and I get it, but even at press conference it was the same crap , zero accountability. Again. But like I said who to give it to, ? I have no idea on this team at this moment. Maybe I’m wrong it’s just my opinion obviously
Put the "c" on the guy selling hot dogs. Hes the only one who shows up and does his job with any consistency
Mitch is a regular season all star. When the playoffs come around he gets very scared, many times he wouldn’t forecheck into the corner. Marner is not a playoff guy and it’s so evident now.
JT winning all these cups since leaving BY
So a team would be better with 4 average players so an injury doesn't hurt so much?
Yes. Since the average points per player for the entire team would have increased.
The fact that people want to hire Quenneville is stupid... the dude oversaw a team that abused their junior, he should be never even named as a possible candidate by any NHL team. He can rot for all I care. We have plenty of better coaches to choose from in the NHL.... on second thought he is exactly the coach for the Leafs lol
Marner wouldn't be the first Leaf run out of town because he is blamed for not winning a cup to go one to win a cup.
they are right there. the boston series was hard fought, the difference is the leafs had weak goaltending and boston's goalie was on fire. the leafs finally realise you become contenders with big tough defencemen in the playoffs. with cade webber potential joining next season as brodie and giordano will be gone, the leafs defence will be stacked with size and toughness. fraser minton along with knies, domi, dewar, reaves and possible gregor, their forwards will not be push overs. if woll can show his a starter ,the leafs will finally be a team with skill and toughness that can roll 4 lines just like the bruins who by the way will be contending for the cup finals.
Let him walk. No way you give a player who does not show up in the playoffs an increase and extension of 10.9 million dollars.
Why do all the talking heads think they are hockey executives, I understand why fans do....
Everybody trashing Marner like he's beer league level and want to trade him at his lowest value. Marner didn't play all 60mins of every game. Lots of blame to go around. If Marner waives his NMC leafs will have almost zero leverage negotiating a trade. Dubas painted the Leafs in this corner and they're stuck with Marner for his last year. More likely he walks in free agency, why would he help the Leafs aside from getting the extra year in a sign and trade?
One team that would fit the bill for Marner is Seattle.
San Jose to play with the new "one." Leafs could ask for the 15thOA. San Jose 2nd rnd and a prospect and take a flyer on Klim Kostin
No love for Claude Julien?
Comments sound so funny from players, were there close your not close when you score 2 goals per game or less and power play doesn't exist
Two guys bothered that some people might not be getting upset and being negative about a sports team.
Should save this show for next season after the laughs are eliminated again
why do we have to get receycled coaches all the time. there has to be others that have accomplished merits.......
lol I bet he stays he said it he's god here the sad part is if he even played half like Darcy Tucker people would be going nuts and leave his Mitch as$ alone>
Everyone has a platform to talk but nothing comes out but noise. You dont see the good things that happened without a consistent lineup due to the injuries and illness and they were able to go to game 7. I think you guys need to chill. I think if things need to change its in the old defensive players like Gio and Broady. Get rid of Reilly and and Lilligren. Bring in Chychrun. The formula here and no one is talking about is put the core 4 in different lines. It doesnt help that the Leafs were in the dark with these illness and injury thats what pisses people off. Its unfortunate.
Remember, Kadri? How did that turn out when you trade someone because you didnt like his mental gap in the playoffs. "Trade Him Hes Useless"..
Keep buying tickets Saps
..lol😂
They're right where?, so close to what? 3 of 16 isn't close.
LOL, the Midwest getting overlooked as usual. You talk about big, impactful trades over the past five years and somehow overlook the Blues acquiring Ryan O'Reilly from the Sabres? He won the Selke, Conn Smythe and Cup all in the same year! Also, former Leafs who would go on to win elsewhere; Alexander Steen, Carl Gunnersson, and Tyler Bozak all won with the Blues in 2019.
None of these guys in this core have ever had a leader to learn from. Look at Boston. Any new player came in had Bergeron and chara to learn how to play the right way. He’s being absolutely crucified but who’s actually stepped up. Matthews ? Reg season stats that’s it. What he done to elevate his team last a round. Nothing. No one is any better than the next guy on that team
Reporters ask cliched questions and so it should be no surprise that they get cliched responses
Toronto +/- for the team, playoffs. 7 guys+, 12 guys- , plus minus
Nothing screams confidence like an ex TV executive attending the Leafs joint press conference. Completely useless. May as well hire a plumber to make important decisions about the team. Just imagine the discussion ... "What do you think Shanny?? .... Run it back??? .... Good idea." 🥳
I’m sorry first 2 minutes made me think I’d be wasting my time watching the rest of the video 😊
Shanahan blocked the marner trade from dubs and tre .good bye
wjere was matthews game 1 ? or the 7 yeats before thix?they are all bums.
nobody can afford marners contract
If i was marner ill just say ok ok ok and not waiving finish my contract and leave without giving nothing in return to the leafs
The next team that takes him, will sign him to that McDavid money hes always wanted.
You guys buy all their merch, pay their overpriced hotdogs, beer and tickets
year after year, decade after decade.
And what do you get?....the same result.
I truly feel sorry for Leaf fans and I support the Bruins.
Reilly and Marner need to go... record without Reilly. 46-20-7.
Domi??? Seriously? You show your priorities when you sign the son of an old fan favourite from your loser days. Everybody in the rink knows he's gonna pass when he gets the puck.
I don't see leafs getting better by flushing the current stars and trying to start again. It's too early to dismember the team, because the only people eager to listen are the fans of other teams here to gloat.
Yep same old same old JD, Matthews was no help again
Marner at 50% retained to the Kings for Byfield and Brandt Clarke
Maybe the Kings could throw in Fiala as a sweetener.
@@RayManzarekRocks Byfield had how many points this year? And where was Clarke playing this year?
You had Byfield getting 55pts in 80 games while Marner had 85pts in just 69 games. That a 102pt season pace, which was double what Byfield had in 11 less games, so what's your point?
@@bradbradbury8561 The point is, you're dreamin', brah. The Kings wouldn't trade Byfield for Marner straight up let alone add their top prospect to the mix.
@@RayManzarekRocks Ya one player getting twice a many points as another but you wouldn't trade for him, lol, I'd like to see your list of other guys you'd say the same thing about, but I'd say with your lack of hockey knowledge you can't even give me one.
Marner averages around 100pts a season and Byfield at 55pst yet you think Byfield is better.
How do you explain this illogical conclusion?
Marner was a +26, Byfield was only a +9, again Marner was almost three times better in this category, yet you think Byfield is better?
@@bradbradbury8561 Byfield is 22, five years younger than Marner. He's also 6-5, 220 pounds and plays like 6-5, 200 pounds. Marner is 6-0, 180 pounds and plays like 5-10, 160. You win with guys such as Byfield in the postseason. You don't win with guys like Marner in the playoffs as we've seen over and over again. No way would the Kings trade a young power forward with upside for a pipsqueak who has maxed out. Oh, did I mention that the Kings are capped out?
The Leafs are backed by the corporate crowd and that all they care about, the true fans that can't afford season tickets are just the great unwashed to MLSE! Toronto needs a NEW NHL team. This one unfortunately has sold it soul to the dark side.
Lose in the first round. That's a D right.
Offer Marner $5 Million for 5 more years and then he'll go his own way.
Marner will play hard ball all year and then sign with boston next off season. Hell bent on causing leaf fans maximum pain
I feel bad for Bruin fans.
Trade him for a stud goalie ...demko soros hellebuyck sorokin stc
I dont know how effective Brindamour would be coaching outside of that crappy style of hockey Carolina plays. I think he's a touch overrated.
Is jd bunkis even a leaf fan or just a whiney journalist
All acting 🎭🎭🎭
These clowns think they are close?
I would rather have the coach stay, and the president go!
mitch is a fraud
Why nobody is talking about Tavares?😂 he is a poor captain and cant make his team wins. Always been…
Of the so called Core Four, JT is likely the worst signing. They could have a stud D or a goalie instead of him.
I paused at the 11:13 mark. Bumkis, you're right. Marner should stick it to everybody. And that is to follow the routine that his agent has with his players: play out the contract and leave Toronto with nothing when he leaves. Tell them to bag it when they ask him to forfeit his no-trade clause. You media types are hilarious. Build up the Leafs year after year, blame the fans for losses, then come out here thinking your opinions as fantasy GMs matter. They don't.
And people wonder why players want to stay far away from this city.
I think they could trade to Utah for Valimaki, Crouse and a first round pick.
Josh Norris, Chychrun and a first from Ottawa?
Marner to Calgary for Markstrom , a second and Mangiapane?
Dylan strome, Trevor Van Riemsdyk and Kuemper?
Im seeing lots of Bruins fans apologizing to Leafs fans for being Leafs fans. Even they feel bad they beat Toronto all the damn time
I'm never a Leafs fan or a Bruins fan and I love the schadenfraude.
Matthews is proven to soft for playoffs. They should look at moving on from him.
Mitch isnt waving just sayin. Willie should of gone this year for a goalie and a D
Marner for Dubois and a 3rd round draft pick.
LEMME GUESS, THIS YEAR WILL BE A REBUIDING YEAR RIGHT? LOLOLOLOLOLOL