Super Robot Wars OG Dark Prison - Neo Granzon (ENG)
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Neo Granzon creates black holes via the taking of large amounts of baryonic matter and compressing it until its Schwarzschild radius exceeds its actual radius. It acquires the necessary mass by absorbing baryons from the ether using the halo on its back. The Degeneration Cannon/Shukutaihou functions by discharging all of the stored baryonic matter in the halo, and via degenerative pressure causes it to become a supernova that collapses into a black hole.
The Schwarzschild radius is the radius of a sphere, where the combination of its mass and density means that its escape velocity is the speed of light. Because not even light can escape it, it is no longer visible. This is a black hole, in essence, a deformation of spacetime. The Schwarzschild radius of an object is proportional to its mass; despite it's enormous size to us, the Earth's is a mere 9 millimeters. And the vast Milky Way galaxy, over 100,000 light years in diameter, has a Schwarzschild radius of less than 0.2ly.
The black holes used during Black Hole Cluster have Schwarzchild radii on the quantum scale and are sheathed in a special gravitational field, allowing them to be launched at the enemy. The Granzon/Neo Granzon do not need to "fly" in the conventional sense, as the orbs on its limbs allow it to manipulate the vector of gravity in relation to itself. In essence, the Granzon can simply "fall" in whichever direction it chooses and attain acceleration by altering its own mass and the strength of the gravity acting upon it. The orblike apertures on the shoulders generate the Distortion Field, a force field that warps the vectors of any kinetic force acting upon it, harmlessly dispersing the energy.
スパロボに於いて垂直浮遊するユニットは真の強者と言われますが、、、いつ見ても美しい＆恐ろしい縮退砲
天のゼオライマー持ってきてくれー
I love how when he fires the universe destroyer it looks like he's god firing it from the heavens while the other guy looks like hes in hell with the red battered ground before being obliterated. Also how the music matches the attack perfectly.
And knowing him, HE DID THAT PURPOSEFULLY.
この圧倒的絶望感がイイ
最近のスパロボのサイバスターとネオグランゾンが仲間の時の安心感やばいw
It does not matter how many times I watch this. It always gives me the shivers.
I will never get tired of watching this over and over. Neo Granzon + New theme makes me chill everytime. Shu and Neo Granzon!
lol Same, though I think I have grown attached to the old theme and am not digging the new theme as much =(
Same here
I think the addition of the guitar to his theme shows that he's completely unchained at this point - beholden to no one except himself, and free to act as he wishes. It's good to know that he's ultimately a decent person at heart, if a little aloof and cynical.
"Many have tried, and failed, to hold me back."
The translation in game is, and I quote "you can't really stop me"
This guy.. Makes rain... in the middle of the space... Yeah, he is THAT strong
i read some article said that neo granzon created a sub space to thorw its final attack
@@stephensu4371 He created a psuedo dimension just to destroy it via reverse big bang.
@@severteran9897 and thats why when you obtain shu you not need nothing more
@@severteran9897 That's effort just to flex on people. I love it.
Neo Granzon: When just hitting someone with one black hole isn't even your final attack.
Also, he's really nailing the full-on Zeorymer look this time around with all the yellow lights.
Possibly the only mech who could match up with great Zeorymer
Dariel Lim Bah! Zeorymer can only use the power of the elements at its disposal, while Neo Granzon has the universe as its weapon of choice. Not even Masaki Kihara can comprehend the power that is Shu Shirakawa (although I am also fond of the Zeorymer). O.o
Ok my bad. I thought you're talking about Zeorymer... I take back what I said. Great Zeorymer DOES have a fighting chance. O.o
Jullian Sebrero
Yeah it's pretty much:
Granzon = Zeorymer
Neo Granzon = Great Zeorymer
Although Granzon isn't nearly Zeorymer levels of broken gameplay-wise when you actually get to use it, sadly.
Jullian Sebrero yeah pretty sure i mention great zeorymer cause the normal one doesnt even stand a chance. Then again i remembered valcazard which is damm broken too.
I can see another reason why this would never get released in the US. There isn't a single person in the English speaking world that would come remotely close to expressing Shu's badassery.
Fuck English VAs, just give me English subs and I'm good.
@Nikolas, luckily that is what we ended up with
Travis Willingham using his Rellius voice could work
@@Qwert00700 Fuck English VAs even in Western media, I say. Even things that were originally made to be in English sound better in Japanese.
@@Qwert00700 just play moondwellers, he's on your team in that one.
this video is a simple description of how to throw physics out the window and become OP, owob
Behold the power of Shuu "OHMYFUCKINGGODRUNLIKEHELL" Shirakawa. Because if sucking your enemy into a black hole isn't even your strongest attack, then there really is no kill like overkill.
>run
>from dividing universe by zero
You do that bub, I'm gonna get some popcorn and watch everything go out in a blaze of glory.
何がヤバイってこの縮退砲の威力演出が過剰演出じゃない(最低でも冥王星の手前までは壊滅的な打撃を受ける)ことなんだよなぁ……
This is why people don't give Dio giant robots.
+Nigel McDivine *checks internet*
My god.......
Boss949 Did you just realized who Dio is, or did you just realize who Dio is?
+Nigel McDivine Dio + Granzon = 100% NOPE (O_O;)
*ABANDON UNIVERSE
Don von Frustratio Luckily he's also a flamboyant bishounen prince with gunnery skill that loves everything beautiful including boys, so you can be pretty enough and he'll spare you.
Well, to be fair, there's The World Over Heaven now...
When Neo Granzon's Degeneration Cannon clashes with Great Zeorymer's Infernal Hades, the world, the universe and the multi-universe will explode, implode, then explode again, forever.
ネオグランゾンは味方だとこの上なく安心できる
敵だと発狂しかねない
しかも本当の本気を出すと分身することもある…
@@user-dr3tz4ts4o
ひどすぎる…ダークブレインも真っ青だ…
So folks... wanna know what's really terrifying? If I'm correct on the timeline point of this game, this version of the Neo Granzon was created after Shu said he was working on something more powerful then the Shin Neo Granzon in the OG game for PS3... you know... Shin Neo, the one fueled by the power of the evil god Volkruss and whose very existence caused the Apocalypse to start...
... yeah... evil.
No. Neo Granzon is ordinarily a Granzon which is empowered by tapping into the powers of the god of destruction Volkruss via the Mahākāla System. But Shuu was able to successfully analyze the system, and is now able to activate the transformation to Neo Granzon without being connected to Volkruss.
What's the difference between Black Hole Cluster and Degeneracy Cannon?
Angel IV Esguerra Degeneracy Cannon is an un-controled , huge , explode out gravity-bomb .
Haschel
That reminds me... In the last episodes from the Spider Man cartoon from the 90s. Spider Carnage developed a gravity bomb, which didn't just destroy the universe but the multiverse as well.
It took the Beyounder all of his power to revert time back and assemble a army of spider mans to take care of Spider Carnage before he finishes the bomb.
+Angel IV Esguerra Black Hole Cluster involves firing a series of micro black holes with infinitesimally small Schwarzchild radii, while Degeneracy Cannon is more or less a supernova cannon.
I can't believe it took me this long to realize Shu Shirkawa and Dio Brando share the same voice actor.
Also Kururu and Bobobo
Count these too: Gym Ghingham (Turn A Gundam), Takahashi Ryousuke (Initial D before Reborn I), Betterman Lamia, Mu La Fraga/Neo Roanoke (Gundam SEED), Zechs Merquise/Milliardo Peacecraft (Gundam W), Aokiji (One Piece), Sugou Nobuyuki/Fairy King Oberon (Sword Art Online)
Clare Hidalgo Are you for real!!??
*****
He must be counting from Sergeant Frog before the 2014 series...
Hei Man Lee Takehito Koyasu still voices him in the 2014 series...
ブラックホール自在に操れてなおかつ好き放題にワームホールぶち開けてウロウロし放題
挙句の果てに武器一つ一つの火力も桁違いという身の毛もよだつスペックだけどコイツ単体でも倒せない奴が当たり前のように次から次へと現れるのがスパロボ
曲もネオグランゾンもシュウも全部がカッコいい‼️
最初から決まっていた事です…
シュウ一派全員
(もう戦うのはこの人だけでよくね？
俺らは帰って寝ようぜ)
I have come to a conclusion regarding repeated uses of Shukutaihou, under the presumption that it IS a universe-buster...
With every use, Shuu destroys the present universe (shortly before entropy reaches maximum there) that he pulls himself and any target(s) to via wormhole (can target any point in space, time, and theoretically reality), but a new one is born in its place (a Big Bang in miniature).
Thus (mostly) avoiding the sheer horror of Neo-Granzon annihilating a universe with every use; instead, each time he 'summons' himself and the targets to said newly-created universe as that one is about to die out, carrying out a twisted form of destruction leading to creation.
Would the Einsts be impressed, proud, horrified, or all of the above? Beowulf often ranted about how (souzou) 'creation'/'rebirth' and (hakai) 'destruction'/'death' were one and the same.
The fucking man erase a Galaxy and the other guy think… that he can not lose like this….
It's not good enough for him. He must lose... by the whole universe being destroyed to be content with it.
Incredible Dark Prison just got more EPIC
Shuu Shirakawa (V.A. Takehito Koyasu) is a fucking badass.
Neo Granzon doesn't fight its enemies. It executes them. For a fight to happen, the enemy has to stand a chance in hell of retaliation, and how the hell do you even start to fight THAT?!
As a reminder, you beat the Neo Granzon at the end of OGG. It's not like it's unbeatable.
Chen Gong I'm afraid I didn't get a chance to play OGG yet. Nor Dark Prison for that matter. What does it take to bring down Neo Granzon? What level of force has to be brought against it? I'd assume it's basically a tremendously huge cannon in the shell of a relatively tough robot, but who is brought against it at the end of OGG?
Judging just by what I'm seeing here and on SRW Wiki, Neo Granzon is a Type V weapon on the Kardashev scale, meaning that it can harness the raw power of not just its own universe but other universes. If Neo Granzon didn't create the pocket universe, it seems the Degenerative Cannon would obliterate its own universe. That level of power puts it in the top range of mecha power scales, if not fictional power scales period.
This thing is BEASTLY.
The Silvered Phoenix It's easier to beat than Dark Brain was, and according to Dark Prison, Masaki got the kill so to speak.
Chen Gong Cosmo Nova is an acceptable offense too. Fair enough.
The Silvered Phoenix
Keep in mind that Shu on some level wanted to lose to the steel dragons in the final OGG battle because at that point he was basically Volkross' puppet (to him a fate worse than death), and OG:DP starts with Masaki striking the final blow as Shu smiles
これが普通に味方ってんだからヤバいｗ
...and also:
I've never seen Shu shout, rage, or something.
That makes him as the most calm and evil character in SRW
Formerly evil. he betrayed the god he was forced to serve by dying. All according to Shu's plan.
Evil? No. He essentially gave in to Volkruss' temptation in a moment of despair, and then spent years trying to get killed so he could get out of the deal.
And as of Dark Prison, he's no longer tied to Volkruss, and has apparently figured out how to use Neo Granzon without relying on the dark god's power. Heck, he even USED Neo Granzon to destroy him.
見つかったのが運のツキ❌
敵に回した時点で運のツキ⭕
3 Black holes compressed into one still hurts trying to wrap my mind around how that would work. So cool still. If anyone else something like this would be so unstable, yet Granzon has it mastered. xD 5:19
Pretty cool that various things he talks about like degenerate mass, schwarzschild radius and singularity are actual physics terminology
kcherin93 Yes. They try to make these things as accurate or sound as accurate as they can.
***** It like he trying to explain why you lose against his firepower.
lolcatjunior Because apparently the blatantly obvious evidence in the form of a black hole hurtling towards you is not enough.
***** They took a step forward by using science to explain something impossible in science:
Shu mentions a naked singularity. That means that he just made a black hole without an event horizon
As far as we know, that shit can't be made. So Shu just made something that scientifically for us is impossible to conceive
Why is shu so polite when he is about to wipe out his enemies with overwhelming power?
cause he's da boss.
Because he can be.
+VanguardCommander The Vessel Of Possibilities Because he's the only one who can talk about his theories while obliterating his enemies.
+VanguardCommander The Vessel Of Possibilities because he is a badass
He is the Ultimate Boss there is. Sure Daleks, Ganon or even Sephiroth are dangerous, but Shu and the Neo Granzon are on a Whole Different level compared to them
Chika: "Granzon the cheater..." =))
tang tin she know's
Granzon is the definition of playable last bost without any nerf/worf effect
If Dio piloted the Neo Granzon he'd be the master of time AND space!
Lesson:
If Shu smiles...
RUUUNN!!
Raphael Acilo lol, if you can
Raphael Acilo should said if heard that OST. RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nazreenpg
Try putting his OST on a unit...
Example: Kai Kitamura
Well, will we see Kai smiling that epic when he has that OST?
lel
YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THE GRAVITATIONAL COLLAPSE!
Kai Kitamura: great idea, i should use that OST ! * turn on Neo Granzon's OST *
everyone: OH SHJT ! THAT IS NEO GRANZON ! RUN FOR YOUR FK LIFE !!!!
Kai Kitamura: muahahaha, this is fantastic ! thankyou internet :v * turn around and see NEO Granzon * OMm8G! why are u here !!!
Shuu: because i heard my OST :v now die :v
They say that if Neo Granzon fights Astranagant or Dis, the universe ends, right? Then what happens when Neo Granzon fuses with Dis Astranagant?
Results:
- Infinite black hole manipulation.
- Infinite light manipulation.
- Micro black hole funnel guns.
- Beyond infinite power.
- Goodbye everything.
Chika: Now you will learn the power of Grazon the Cheater!
I wonder how did Shuu ended up with chika as his Familiar
He made Chika in order to use an Elemental Lord should he be able to hijack one for himself. However, he found Chika to be so incredibly annoying, so he ditched that whole plan solely because he didn't want TWO Chikas bothering him.
@@JanusHoWwhy would he need a familiar, knowing that Granzon is already Elemental Lord level mech? Neo Granzon is technically Granzon answer of Elemental Lord Possession without any time limit.
縮退砲を単体にぶつける方が難しいべ(敵味方問わず巻き込みそう)
だから異空間送りにしてるんやで
.The BEST Masou Kishin ever made. Shirakawa Shu's BGM is the best ever made. And his dialogue is so EPIC!
this final attack make masaki turn into asakim..
I think Shu is the Spiral Nemesis o_O
EvilDoresh Yeah i really wouldn't want to face Neo Granzon if it was hopped up on Spiral Power.
New Theme...New Granzon...Things are looking up for Shu!
2023 Neo Granzon still top g
Pretty much reminds me to @ Granzon. Such a good time back then.
"Here is the billion-year legacy from the Dark Forest of our universe. Your very existence will be erased as you are suppressed from 3D to 2D. Black Hole Gravitation Cannon, Launch!"
Okay, even by SRW standards, what Shu just did there is FUCKING TERRIFYING
Okay, this is the strongest thing to ever be. Good lord. The final attack, just what. Did he just squish 3 black holes together into one thing. Hurts my brain trying to figure out what something like that would create.
***** Makes ya wonder who'd win if Neo Granzon faced Great Zeorymer.....
Everyone loses if that happens.
***** What happen if Neo Granzon and Great Zeorymer team up?
nazreenpg I feel sorry for the people who stand against them, and everyone else caught in their destruction.
***** Well good thing that Shu now is in good side
ブラックホールクラスターや縮退砲を敵に放ったら味方まで巻き込む気がする…(；一_一)
でもネオグランゾン&シュウ・シラカワは好きなキャラです(^^)
縮退砲に関しては別次元に飛ばしてから撃ってるから問題ない(ぇ
むしろシュウって1人で戦う前提だから良いだろうね^_^
@@rr-zero2015 さんへ
(;ﾟдﾟ)ｪ…そうだったの？それは知りませんでした
@@user-jt5js8kj8y さんへ
どもです(^^)確かにそうですね(^^)あの性格からして一人でコソコソ動いてますよね(^^)
3:48 : Shu, naked singularities does not have event horinsonts!
スーパーロボット大戦に参戦して欲しい。シュウ様とネオ*グランゾン。
久々に据え置きの版権に出て暴れてほしいな。
...Well, it's a good thing the Fury are going to show up soon.
*"Damn you… Shu Shirakawa!"*
- Daitetsu Minase
when shu used Black Hole Cluster on Hagane
If you were walking on the street like daily routine, suddenly out of nowhere Dark Prison theme play, just run.
Shu.. The only one who blew up a galaxy just to pawn someone
You don't play much SRW, do you?
countrybluegrass Not too sure which mecha does the same way as him, a galaxy?
Laven Yew well, there is tengen toppa...
Laven Yew where they throw galxies around like frisbees
Prof. Shu Shirakawa's back & is as OP as ever!!...& it's a good thing for once considering he's pulled a Heel Face Turn & is the protag this time...
Justin L He's good guy now :D
不気味に微笑むシュウ、そしてネオ・グランゾン・・・絶望感がえげつなさすぎる！
てゆーかチカ曰くチートだが、実際はそんななまやさしいもんなんかじゃあない。
amaizing what a fkn strong devil granzo always awesome
The way he laughed at ENEMY
That's an serious villain laugh the CV is real good
マサキとシュウ様のツウトップで。スーパーロボット大戦に参戦して欲しい。
割りとしょっちゅういるじゃん
Well, there goes a galaxy.
今のスパロボもこれくらい気合い入れて戦闘シーン作ってくれないかな？
and peopke thought that gurren lagan was OP and over-the-top
Makes me wonder, what would happen if Simon got mentored by Shuu instead of Kamina
@@21stcenturyschizoidmana29 if you think this neo granzon is powerfull than don't even try to think about what gl coud do if simon wanted to
Guren Lagann will stand a good chance against Neo Granzon though. While both mechs possession strength that can destroy the world easily. Guren Lagann (mainly Lagann) has unlimited evolve potential. Neo Granzon wise despite its ridiculous engine, it is still an earth built real robot. Meaning it is just an oversized Huckebein. In short the Degeneration can cause big damage to GL but in turn Neo Granzon itself probably can’t get touched by GL at all. This is well demonstrated in game though. Friendly Neo Granzon in OG is possibly one of the best strikers in team but it is never meant to tank a lot of damages due to its mediocre armor and mobility.
I thought that mech Shu is destroying at the end looked familiar, that guy shows up in Moondwellers. Use Shu against him lol.
Unless you want to get wiped out like that galaxy... make sure you're wearing a hard hat.
...Mother of God.
Now I wonder what happens in a fight between him and The Edel Bernal.
Shu Picks flowers.
The Thanos of banpresto.
Kakiyoin aspect + voice dio
A shame the previous upload was removed, Shu's quotes vs. Volkruss are amazing.
I'm trying to leave a comment, but.. *There just are no words.*
(+fav's instead)
I am not the kind of guy who likes to say a giant robot is stronger than others (I am on gurren lagann team)
But this... this thing is a monster
You know you're absolutely fucked if the guy can make it rain in space AND fuses 3 black holes into 1 super condensed black hole
They're not just black holes - they're black holes with exposed singularities. The Degeneration Cannon is essentially dividing the result of zero divided by zero...by zero.
shu making excessive force look good
こんだけ派手な演出してても『不屈』でダメージ10だと思うと笑える
Although I was an English people, I'm happy to have played super robot wars even japanese word of it
5:55~ Shukutaihou means "Degenerate cannon" in English.
ooooh shit son! it's the NEO GRANZON
I find it strange how almost everyone gets the Gravitron Cannon's name wrong. Even OGMD's translation also does that (though mistranslations are a norm in OGMD).
The 4 Lords of Elemental were jealous of Shu and pressed the dislike button.
They are only the ones I see! ^^
If you ever see the Neo Granzon, just sit down and wait for the impossible black hole to kill you.
Did.....shu..BLOW UP A UNIVERSE TO KILL ONE GUY?!
On a side note the version of dark prison FUCKING ROCKS!
It's okay, Shu made an extra universe just to blow it up.
Funny thing is that said guy wasn't even at full health at the time. Considering he even says "I can't lose like this", what does it take to actually kill him from full health?
shu looking at him funny
Only Shuu can make it rain in outer space.
But also Sanger and Rätsel by performing Tatsumaki Zankantou in OGs and OGG.
See this is why you don't want to piss off shuu.....
本当にマサキのライバル？ 相手にならないじゃないっすか
Shu is lord of dark chaos
With the help of 2/3 budget of the Divine Crusaders, this happens. Money is serious.
6:07 I heard "Oh My God"
Granzon is the reason the initial huckebein project went to smoke. Not because its implausible, but because huckebeins are made with human materials and not durable enough for a black hole engine. Granzon is made in la gias and if i do recall, seems to be like cybuster, a god machine so it can defy normal conventions such as durability and energy consumption. Also speaking if energy consumption, if i do recall, granzon has a prana converter so shu can turn himself into a battery for granzon
Technically... Shu Shirakawa is originally born and is from La Gias... Granzon is also originally the Unfinished God Machine of The End that Shu managed to complete... Also... The Black Hole Engine used for the Original Huckebein was Rigged To Fail by The Guests...
unbeatable ! should name it God Granzon !
No, that's for its Upgrade it'll eventually get!
SazukeEX1 haha if neo granzon gets an upgrade he could probably destroy not just one galaxy but the whole universe + even more :D
*****
Shuku Taihou vs Enuma Elish,which will win?.
boishock Shu Shirakawa vs Asakim Dowin? Both from SRW, hope SRW team make them meet, to see who is more evil
boishock Shu Shirakawa vs Asakim Dowin? Both from SRW, hope SRW team make them meet, to see who is more evil
ネオグラかっけ～(pqﾟ∀ﾟ*○)
あれ、ダークプリズンて第二次OGのグラ使い回しだよな、こんな綺麗だったっけ？w
That bird is so lucky that Shu still keeps him, WHY does a guy like Shu who blew up a universe and made everyone wet their pants, still keep an annoying bird like that?! I seriously don't understand this guy, even his lectures made albert einstein looks stupid.
He made Chika in order to use an Elemental Lord should he be able to hijack one for himself. However, he found Chika to be so incredibly annoying, so he ditched that whole plan solely because he didn't want TWO Chikas bothering him.
(I just copy and paste)
Came back here after frist safi recon. Other kept saying the music drop moment. I started hearing Dark Prison instrad.
So...
Who else is waiting for Z3 and OG3?
There are too many strings left untied in those timelines so you know those games will come sooner or later =)
Cfli731 Frankly im still waiting for them to be translated. Hell i at this point would settle for a word document with the script.
Faster and easier to just learn Japanese at this point I think lol
Question: Can the Neo Granzon used against the Adamatron?
This is a different game from 2nd OG, so no. The last boss of Dark Prison is a Guest ship based on the Diaus from the OG2 anime.
Chen Gong
That is too bad though. I would have loved it to see Shu breaking Euzeth's toy apart like it was made of paper. :D
Chen Gong
Are there any bosses from 2nd OG, which you can still fight with the Neo Granzon?
ThanatosZero Dark Prison is a self-contained game. You get the Neo Granzon twice during normal gameplay (once against Volkruss and once against the Guest), and you can use the classic code from SRW EX to use the Neo Granzon in a new game+.
Chen Gong What do you mean by using the classic code? i didnt played srw EX so i dunno, but u are able to get neo granzon all the time? in a new game+? thats would be great
精霊憑依サイバスターはこれより強いってのがヤバい
そうなの！？
何を言ってるんだ❗ちみは⁉️
ネオグランゾンが精霊憑依サイバスターよりも弱いはずがない💢
@@user-yw4xe7fl7n
魔装機神やってないんか…
@@giganscudo5919 プレイしなくても分かる。
魔装機神最強は､ネオグランゾンである。
サイバスター もといマサキのライバル的な存在だがどう見てもこちらの方が上()
That dude is overpowerful.
At the risk of sounding like an idiot, what is the final attack? All i can understand is he lobs a glittery ball of death at the other guy and then blows up the universe or have i got that wrong?
Carl Zerris Final attack name Shukutaiho
Carl Zerris Degeneration Cannon...?
Carl Zerris I don't see how you could sound like an idiot, no sarcasm intended
That pretty much sums up the entire attack XD
Glittery Ball of Death
+Carl Zerris Through a mixture of complex astrophysics and rule of cool, he shot a supernova at the enemy who was somehow horrified at the ignominy of such a defeat.
+Chen Gong So he created a sparkly ball of death, which expanded to format a freaking galaxy, which immediately gets destroyed. Holy fuck, Shu.
How the fuck can you "I can't lose like this"?
You will not lose if you can come up with something that is better than creating a universe within a universe but at the same time destroying both of them, which I can't.