Advanced Billiard Tutorial #9: AIMING SYSTEMS!! -- Venom Trickshots
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Thanks. One of the clearest explanations of CTE that I've seen.
That was cool venom. I can't wait to the next episode am glad about it
Valery is a great shot! You guys explain the systems well. Parallel lines is what I came up with, but I was a cad drafter at the time. Lol
I prefer the last system. I tried some others but at least they confuse me a little bit while playing. It distracts me and I lose my focus. I prefer to visualize and feel the shots. Perhaps I use the ghost ball system naturally by checking the lines and angles. But thank you and Valerie for another great video.
Yes, I'm pretty sure some pros use NO system while aiming, at least on simple shots (not banks or complex caroms , combos, or kicks, or multirails probably) and basically just know exactly where to hit for each pocketing angle without consciously thinking about it at all. I wrote that before the end of the video when he talked about HAMB, which is exactly what I'm talking about.
Obviously, it actually always requires thought at some level, but I think it's kind of like when you are driving somewhere and your mind is wandering a bit, and all of a sudden you realize you are not where you thought you were, and can remember nothing about some part of the drive there, if that makes any sense, and yes when you are on autopilot like that you would have reacted fine if something abnormal had arisen. Or maybe better, like a diver who has practiced a complicated dive many many times where he's thinking nothing about the actual body movements that are required and just implementing the dive he's done tens or hundreds of times. If none of this makes any sense, just ignore. In other words, I hope this helps, rather than just confusing the bejesus out of you. :-/
Thank both of you very much for this excellent tutorial. I’m a hobbyist pool player and enjoy learning about as many techniques of the game as possible. I really liked everything you taught us and especially the way you explained the ghost ball aiming method. Am practicing it and it is going well. Appreciate how you present yourselves on camera-nicely dressed, well spoken, terrific explanations and demonstrations, and the classy pool hall venue behind you. It’s inspiring to see how much thought you put into making your videos.
Thanks appreciate that comment very much!!
Well done. You're a great team.
Thanks for this video. Really appreciate it
Just learning to play and really liked the explanations in your video. However, with the CTE portion, I think seeing the setup and shot from your point of view would be a clearer example to understand the system better. Thanks for your expert help.
Thank you... practise makes progress! 👍🎱👍
Great tutorial, thank you! Also, Valerie is lovely!
Awesome job
Thanks for the advice venom💕hoping for more tutorials😊
Merci pour cette merveilleuse technique c'est très efficace et très logique
Nice video venom 🎱❤️
Well done Florian. I'm looking forward to trying some CTE at various angles now. I assume it is somewhat the same as backhand English, in that you need a specific bridge length to get this to work. If you said that, I missed it, wouldn't be the first time, but if you didn't could you (or someone else that really knows) verify that please?
Also, unless you ARE implementing back hand English, doesn't that CTE system only work for center ball hits? If so, that is a pretty severe limitation.
I have tried backhand English, and once you get your bridge length nailed for your specific stick (there are specific methods for doing this), it works. I think pros that you see always aiming center ball on the cue ball, usually right at the bottom on the cloth, and then just adjust their stroke for warm up strokes and shooting are using this system. It is amazing but it really does take away the squirt/swerve part of the equation (actually blows my mind that it works). Maybe you could do a video on that if you intend to continue a series along these lines?
Good explanation.......
The CTE aiming system as demonstrated here would have been more well understood if Florian used a video camera behind the balls in every demonstration. The CTE is a complicated method to follow especially for beginners, and without the camera behind each shot it will make the method more difficult to follow.
Thank you for reminding me how much I hate CTE.
Whoever came up with CTE should be banned from playing pool ever again!
@@Blessed.2.Teach.4God you are bad using it
@@Blessed.2.Teach.4God wtf I use CTE pro one taught to me by Stan Shuffett and I could whoop your ass so bad it ain’t funny🤣 my aim system has 3 aim lines and site lines that connect with the geometry of the table for every single shot! I don’t think yours does that but okay👍🏼👍🏼
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It was a light-hearted comment, never ceases to amaze me how easily people's ego comes roaring out over the most trivial things in life lol... Take care Efren.
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the main thing with the ghost ball is on all cuts have to be overcut by 1 to 3% ish depending on the angle and the speed of the shot. and table and ball conditions. This is also why most people use outside english on cut shots. They are trying to roll the cueball across the object ball. Eliminating that friction and need to overcut visually . Problem with english is it creates swerve to the cue ball which is like a masse and is amplified by the angle of the cue. I like ghost ball . parallel for this cuts. and fractional aiming somewhat. I also seem to cut more accurate if you get your dominate eye in line with the contact points. not always the center of both balls. This is key for those outside cut shot and gives your brain a clearer picture of the overlap. If it is correct and they you adjust a little thicker or thinner. Long cuts almost always need some fine tuning because your playing shape with english. So imagination and feel is key. and hitting a million balls. You need to be able to pocket all shots with all English's.
Thanks for tutorial video .. please do bank shot tutorial master venom 🙏
muito bom essa aula
Thanks
You are the best😘
I love your skill
And I even jealous of it
The Hal Houle cte is the best one
I like this video
Hopefully to have a cue stick from venom here in philippines more bless
Nice tutorial.. God bless
Thanks for posting about the parallel shift system. I haven't been able to locate any info about it since i heard about it until now. I see some similarities with the aiming system I have developed. I stand behind the object ball to find the contact point on the potting line and keep that point in my sight, get behind the cue ball and draw a line of symmetry between the cue and the object ball with the contact point, basically finding the mirror of the object ball with the cue ball and parallel shift to the center of the cue ball to shoot. All the balls are the same size, so the point on the cue ball that will hit the object ball is a mirror of the object ball. I call it the mirror ball system.
I was the whole video waiting for the best system you said at the beginning and was hit a million balls
I mostly use the ghost ball method, but recently I have started also using CTE and edge of feral methods. I just learned about the parallel method from this video. The CTE method I use is slightly different from the one you explained. What I understand from your explanation, you set up your aim line from the right or left edge of the cue ball to the aim point on the object ball (i.e. A, B, C or D). You then shift that aim line to 1 cue tip to the right or left of centre of the cue ball and do your pivot. The way I do it, I set up the aim line directly from 1 cue tip to the right or left of centre of the cue ball to aim point on the object ball, then do the pivot. Doing it this way you don't have to worry about the reverse pivot or sweep. You will always pivot away from the direction you want the object ball to go.
What I just realized is that when I am doing a really sharp cut (i.e. almost 90 degrees), I am essentially using the parallel method.
I do the same way as you, lil chris channel teach me that cte method
I like watching you to play
Nice this good video
At 12:32 of this video for a right to left cut, you align the left edge of CB to A. At 12:36 for a left to right cut you align the left edge of the CB to A. So, you always use the left edge of the CB? Also, where is the cue tip pointing just before you do the pivot? A or a point parallel to A?
Nice
Question- In CTE you are aligning the left edge of the cue ball with either A or B or C ( or even D) on the object ball and the diagram shows that line. But when you place the cue ( say to the right of the cue ball before changing to center using pivot) is the cue line parallel to the first line ( the line from edge to A or B or C)? Can you please do one video showing the original line and also a line when you actually place a cue for the shot..
Absolutely what I noticed, need another video
My thoughts too. Looks effective but pretty confusing.
I think CTE stands for Complete Trash Example
one thing I never seem to find with the CTE, is how do I then apply spin to the cue ball with CTE
Valérie je t'aime 😍😍😍
The most useful video ever . I always wanted to know how to aim and cut the ball correctly
He is only Partly right about the Pivots. Pivots can be left OR right pivot's from Either side of the ball that your cutting. Not just on the cutting side of the cue ball. Depending on the thickness of the cut needed. If you are just pivoting to the Left for left cuts, and to the right for Right Cuts, you are missing half the shots on the table. Inside pivots, Exe Left for Left, and Right for Right, only work on steeper angle cuts. If the cut is farther down on the table, and the angle is not a sharp cut, you will have to pivot in the opposite direction, the (outside away from the cutting edge) to compensate for the thicker cut. Otherwise you over cut the ball, and will miss the shot by a mile. ALSO, He spun the cue on it's access, rather than gear the cue ball to center cue ball from an offset, which brings the cue to true center ball. Just spinning the cue on it's access / bridge point, serves no purpose, and doesn't work for CTE. There is No (D) in CTE. This man is a great trick shot artist, but his understanding of how CTE works is minimal at best. :(
Just a once a week league bar box player. I know 3 angles fullball halfball and thin that i can always see the angle i need is on them or between them. Of course i miss a bunch but mostly via poor alignment rushed delivery bad follow through and at times hitting where I aimed but I aimed wrong. CTE sounds like you need a two week camp to learn correctly . hamb i think is were it is at for a pro thinking about aiming would not be good
interesting and Shane Van Boening uses tet another system called the edge of the ferrule.
I use this for small angles but I still must compensate for cut induced throw and other things. It’s pretty reliable.
It's hard on angles deeper than 30° because you lose sight of the line and have to image the line through the object ball.
I use HAMB, but I found that poolology is very useful too
Poology is fractional aiming with a different twist but really interesting.
For me the ghost ball method just feels like the most natural one. I don't want to think of angles, parallel lines and so on. Many good players don't really use a real aiming system. They just know where to aim because of practice and their experience. That's what I want to achieve to make the game less complicated (of course on a different level than pros). I recently started playing with sidespin which was a bit overwhelming at first. Would I combine that with one of the other aiming systems I would need forever to go down to a shot.
I had some problems with the ghost ball method at first because I simply tried to get the cueball to the ghost ball. However aiming at something imaginary felt strange. I have to imagine a line through the ghost ball and find a spot on that line (for example where the line touches the object ball). Now I have something I can actually see to aim at.
Thats a great method. I use the cue tip as my aim line, even when using sidespin. It works at medium speed. Where you have to adjust is when you hit softer or harder with sidespin. You have to allow for deflection (hard hit), or extra spin induced throw. (Soft hit) using the cue tip for aiming (including with sidespin) at medium speed is the baseline i like to use.
CTE:I understand everything, but - where is the actual point on the object ball that you are aiming for when you go down with 1 tip left/right?
for CTE how many diamond between ball and bridge hand
I was just wondering why it's called center to edge while we start from the edge to the center of the cue ball?
There's also another aiming system called split the difference. Less complicated but very powerful. Nice video.
I use mostly the HAMB system, but also use ghost ball a lot and split the difference. Both of those were natural enough to me that I figured them out on my own. I use split the difference a lot when the balls are close together.
I could never see the ghost ball properly. I just got better at aiming using HAMB. On the ghost ball, I never knew that you could visualize the contact point better by simply identifying the aim point (the middle of the ghost ball from a 2D top down perspective). That's easier to spot and remember.
the aiming system can use on snnoker also ?
Check out Stan Shuffett for the CTE... He is who taught Tyler Styer...
I prefer a combination of OCP (opposing contact points) and H.A.M.P.S (hit a million practice shots). Just hitting a million balls in games doesn't make you better much faster. Setting up your problem shots and practicing them until you get them down will improve your game in a fraction of the time. And I don't think any aiming system should be more complicated than OCP. It works at every angle, at any distance, and simplifies the addition of using spin to your shots.
Is that actually what its called or did you make that up?
It is hard to imagine the ghost ball in actual shot.
I don't care about billiard anymore i just want to marry this women 😍😍😍😍😍😍
CTE has many rituals 😁 we dont need this just to shoot the ball
CTE is really challenging. Ghost ball + experience (after practicing a lot) is still the most usefull way for amateur player. However, thanks Venom for another systems. Really appreciate
How CTE shot with side?
Honestly, I feel like the ghost ball method is the simplest and most effective means. Everything else overcomplicates the shots
there is one more method.. where in instead of "imagining the ghost ball", point your stick on the OB, you get a reference point on the felt behind the OB where your CB will pass thru and aim the CB at that reference point behind the OB.. .works perfectly!
That's what I do. But it's still based on the ghost ball. There are actually ghost ball trainers that work the way you describe except that it uses a "hat" on the object ball that has an arrow pointing at the pocket and something dangling where the center of the ghost ball would be. That's your target. Anything on that vertical line from that reference point on the cloth through the center of the object ball should work.
I understand part of the CTE. But I just don't understand the sweeping left or right and pivot one cue tip. I think i'm mixing the CTE with ghost ball. Oh well.
I think the one tip thing has to do with allowing for cue ball collision induced thow. Its a step just to be be mechanical about it, and subconsciously your instinct does what it needs to make the shot. Its hocus pocus until i find the real reason explained using physics.
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Comen is number 2 (two) mister venom...😊
The CTE system was not explaned well, at least for me. Can you make anther video exclusive for CTE? Thanks in advance.
It's complete nonsense. There are tons of videos about it and none make any sense. Just practice potting balls.
I did well with cte but the a was only on the left and did great then covid stop me
Hamb is best. Just play and get a feel. Especially on a American pool table. Snooker is much less fun to start on.
The key area that nobody talks about is cue ball control. Learn that and you leave easy shots for yourself.
Essentially work out what half ball hit does, then what quarter ball hit does then what three quarters ball hit does, then judge where the shot comes between those known outcomes and aim to suit.
Also learning to play in a way that makes the pocket as big as possible helps.
Hi Florian, normally I love your explanations, but I cannot like the video today because of the CTE. To me, CTE is always a scam. I want to believe that there is an "automatic" system and I was also researching and even proving the correctness of CTE geometrically myself. However, the more I look into it, the less I am convinced. Several quick points here: 1. Whenever there is a "sweep", or "pivot" on the cue ball, would different bridge lengths lead to different results? 2. You mentioned that you need to do a "reverse sweep" when the distance is more than 4 diamonds apart. But is it exactly 4 diamonds apart? What is the threshold that it SUDDENLY jumped from a left sweep to a right sweep?... I have not mentioned the fact that even everything about CTE was correct, according to CTE, you will still have to estimate the perception, and estimate the ABC points on the object ball, which, IMO, is not a simpler task than estimating the ghost ball or estimating the fractions.
You are incorrect. Cte is not automatic until you learn it correctly. What you are wanting to believe is that there is a magic system and nothing exists that will magically get you to the shot line.
Florian's explaination was incorrect like most of the videos about cte by those who haven't mastered it but whom want to speak about it.
@@jbideastoo Then consider my response as a direct message just to Florian's explanation. But to be honest I have not seen anyone explaining CTE clear enough, even Mr.Shuffet himself.
@@jbideastoo I don't believe there is a magic aiming system. That's why I used quotation marks around the word "automatic". You are right on the point that any theoretically correct system would still require years of practice for precise execution. However, for CTE, I can't even prove the basic correctness from it. And if a world class player like Florian can't get it right from his own research, how would you expect any average players to make sense from such an obscure system.
@@shuchengchao no one will explaine the CTE because the inventor wants you to buy the DVD 😆
I just use the Old Markone Eyeball. The real trick is hitting the cue ball correctly.
I would like to see you to shoot a shot without a ball cue ball only draw yhe cue ball back without hitting a rail draw the ball back
I can’t use the ghost ball method because I don’t believe in ghosts. Plus I don’t have that much of an imagination.
didnt get it ... i'll stick to the ghost ball for the time being 😅
I can't understand the 2nd option. can someone explain it please!
Never seen it before so I can only explain what I saw in the video.
You imagin a line from the object ball to the pocket. And remember where that line touches the beginning of the object ball (the point on the object ball that's the furthest away from the pocket).
Then you imagine a parallel line through the cue ball and remember the point where the line touches the end of the cue ball (the point closer to the pocket).
Now you aim so that both of those points line up.
I think that parell aiming system is not great explain it
At cte, what does "one tip" mean, or how much right or left do you hit away from the middle of cue ball
You place your cue tip one tip away from center and you aim through that offset tip to one of the lines AB or C. You then pivot the cue to center ball and shoot.
This is the type of person u need to take advise
CTE is more like pivoting your body. To make it easier, pivot in such a way you can see the POCKET or RAIL, automatically you will see ball relations as well, everything will be easy. But this is an amateur shot. You will get to enjoy the game though, and will win you some games also, but not good enough if you are going to play with pros.
Another thing, if you are going to use CTE (basically this is pivoting while you are drop down). Use a conical shaft, or be sure you are using a conical shaft. A constant diameter shaft will not work on this type of shot (CTE).
16:00 Thank you SO MUCH for translating english to english, Florian. Without your help nobody would have understood what Valérie was saying! (#sarcasm)
"What she's trying to say" is exactly what she said.
Mansplaining at its finest. Smh
Ce qui est dingue c’est que quand je jouais, j’utilisais également des systèmes de visée mais aucuns de ceux-ci. Ghost ball ça n’a jamais marché pour moi. Center to edge je suis très septique sur le fait de changer sa visée une fois en position, je pense qu’un bon joueur de snooker trouverait ça totalement aberrent, et la visée est bcp plus dure au snooker. Celui avec les parallèles, c’est pas mal mais ce qui me gène c’est que tu ne vise pas un point, tu essaye de faire toucher un point de blanche sur la bille objet, or pour ça la position basse n’est pas la meilleure, on remarque d’ailleurs que tu utilises la position haute quand tu fais tous ses systèmes parce que tu ne vises pas un point. Ce qui est fou c’est que sur internet c’est tout ce qu’on trouve. Moi j’utilisais deux systèmes, un que j’appellerais le double du point de contact, impossible à expliquer sans montrer, et le deuxième c’est les quantités de bille en fonction des angles. Ses deux systèmes te donnes un point de contact précis avec de l’habitude, ce qui est bcp plus rassurant sous pression à mon sens. Un des systèmes me permettais de valider l’autre en plus. Ca nous rajeunis pas mais le double du point de contact c’est jean Marty qui me l’avait expliqué à l’époque. Le système a quasi disparu.
How to you determine A, B, C or D for the CTE method?
The cue ball is cut into quarters, each of those lines has a name, A B C or D. A is the first quarter, B is the center, C is the third quarter, D is the edge. What he means when talking about practicing to find what letter to use, he is referring to finding what letter works best for what angle of cut shot, which is more of a personal thing.
You learn to divide the ball visually. The center and edges are clear and then you mentally slice the object ball half in half to get the a and c lines. D is not the edge. There is no D. The edge is the edge.
Go to www.justcueit.com for the actual and complete center to edge system. Everything else is not cte but is instead just methods based on CTE that so work for a range of shots but nowhere near the range that correct cte gives to the user.
Venom your illustration on the acute right cute is wrong, lining the left edge of the cue ball to A. Should be R edge on the cue to A for that right. cut
the third diagram of the CTE aiming is not true
Valerie is a cutie.
Why you don't add aiming with "side spin" make the tutorial 10 aiming with side spin.
Idk bout y’all, I’m just here for Valerie 😂
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Sorry...I was distracted...what did they say?
Indonesian please..
How the hell can you aim while wearing glasses? That seems very hard for me. I always prefer putting contact lenses while playing billiard.
Hard to concentrate on pool for some reason.
Once again, another video on CTE that makes absolutely no sense to me; at 12:30 he says he's aiming the left edge of the cue ball to the center of the object ball (point B?). Why? "Because the pocket is on the left." Very next shot, he's aiming the left edge of the ball at point A... but this time the pocket is on the right. So, why wouldn't he have aimed the right edge of the ball at A? Then there's always the question about bridge length. What's the ideal bridge length to use for pivoting? Does it change for short range shots versus long range shots? CTE is like a solution looking for a problem to solve. I really like Venom's ability to explain things (Like the Corner-5 system for aiming 3-rail kicks--best explanation I've seen yet!). And he did a much better explanation of CTE than all of the videos I've seen. But even with his excellent explanation, I'm still left with more questions than answers. The simplest aiming system I use is simply pointing my cue through the object ball at the center of the opening of the pocket (or the point on the rail I'm wanting to aim through). Slide the cue up towards the ball until the reflection of the light above the table shows the tip of the cue at the center of of the height of the object ball. This is where you need to contact the ball to make it through the point you aimed at. All you have to do now is aim the cue ball to hit the object ball at that point. If you need to use side spin, use BH English, FH English, Parallel English or a combination of BH and FH English. If you don't know when or how much of each to use, I'd have to refer you to Dr. Dave's videos on SAWS. With my method, the only thing you need to practice is hitting the object ball where you intend to hit the object ball. I'd also highly recommend watching Dr. Dave's video where he goes over a myriad of aiming systems. My favorite is the one where you find the center point between the center of the object ball and the center of the cue ball; aim that point at the contact point... then you just shoot the cue ball parallel to that line. It's basically a simplified way to visualize the other system Venom covered where you try to make the two points connect. It's probably the easiest to internalize and make it 2nd nature without thinking about it. It fits the best for my aiming system of using the reflection of my cue tip on the object ball. The only way to miss (assuming you have good fundamentals) is being inaccurate on finding the contact point or not trusting the point because sometimes it looks wrong, as if you will slightly under cut the ball. Trust in the light.
Exactly. Where do you need to hit the object ball with your cue to go in the pocket, that’s where you aim for the cue ball to hit. They make it so complicated. People don’t miss because there’s a magical formula for cue ball travel, they miss because their stroke is not level or straight and not hitting the cue ball where they think they are aiming.
What if the light is inconsistent? I've been to pool halls where their overhead lights differ vastly. Bulb might be bigger or the lights are higher up in the ceiling
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He’s lying he’s using CTE Pro One!! I see it with my own eyes👀
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What if more balls are on the table
Hamb is not a system. CTE is the real deal, not a fashion.
The first two ways are the same and the other two ways are complicating simple things .
whos the girl?
No matter what system or how many systems, if you line the object ball up with the pocket, the contact points are all the same [ DEAD CENTERL ] IF IT NEEDS TO GO LEFT, YOU GONNA HIT THE CENTER OF THE OBJECT BALL, NO WAY AROUND IT !!! LINE BALL UP WITH POCKET, IT NEEDS TO BE HIT RIIIGGHT HERE !! GUESS WHAT??? YEP CENTER OF OBJECT BALL!! LOL
Cut induced throw, spin induced throw and speed combined throw the ball off this center line.
The Parralel system needs a better explanation,
I use a simplified version that works well. Stand with the OB lined up with the pocket and get your contact point. Keep your eyes on that point as you walk around behind the cueball. Using a left cut, your contact point will be a certain distance from the right edge of the OB. The CB contact point will be exactly the same distance from the left edge of the CB. Line up those two points and shoot.
The parallel lines are used to get that CB contact point, but to me it's easier to use the distance from the edge of the ball.
For fatter cuts, I use distance from the center of each ball instead of from the edge, but its the same concept
I noticed you said the perception is from the of the to the point (A, B, or C) on the . But I just watched Stan Shuffett's video and he said the perception is from the of the cue ball to the point on the . I find that your way pockets more balls than Stan's method.
Stan is definitely an expert of the CTE so his version is probably the correct one but as I mentioned in the video this is sort of my take on it as far as experimenting with it etc. Honestly whatever works works right? :) Glad you enjoyed my method :)