(pt.1) EXTENDING BREAKBEATS DID NOT START HIP HOP
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- Freedmen FBA ADOS AfricanAmericans... 1971 Our young teenagers and pre teens with their street Culture is what started and created HIPHOP... Extending breakbeats and putting breakbeats together is how BREAKDANCE DEVELOPED and how BREAKDANCE took FORMATION... and in turn (.Extending breakbeats) helped take HipHop to another level
As a kid from the Bronx in the 70s, Hip Hop Culture was started before the music. We did not dressed like most people. Graffiti was our preferred art. BBoys were dancing before the Merry-Go-Round. Soundview area had the 1st BBoys. Also Bronxdale projects was dangerous, which was why many people did not go. Mario and those guys had sound systems and records and they played outside. They were known as Street DJs. Around the same time, GM Flowers in Brooklyn, DJs from Queens and Harlem also contributed. Kool DJ Herc in the West Bronx is where i 1st saw the MGR. GM Flash and others improved the Merry-Go-Round, Looping and from there coordinated Rap came into play. This was b4 the Super Disco Breaks and Ultimate Break Beats, which i purchased in 1980. We were Street kids who had our own unique style, fashion, art, music and expression. That was the culture of Hip Hop.
Hip hop was started by Foundational Black Americans. DJ Hollywood is the first rapper and he's 100% Black American.
The first Hip Hop Song was Pigmeat Markham "Here Comes The Judge" he's also 100% Black American.
The first DJ to Scratch or Break the beat was Grand Wizzard Theodore 100% Black American.
The music sampled or beats were 100% Black American and were mostly James Brown's music a 100% Black American
and the literal creator of the breakbeat. Black Americans were break dancing a decade before any Caribbeans
came to America AFTER the 1965 1mm1gration bill, American Bandstand and Soul Train is documented proof of that.
Hip Hop is the Natural progression of the Black American artforms of Disco,
Funk and R &B.Herc put out the first flyer to advertise the party. Hip hop existed waaaaayyyy before herc got off the plane. DJ's were extending beats before herc. Herc just provided a name for the technique. ONce again, history books, people prove that herc didn't create anything in hip hop. He contributed. Hip hop is a FBA culture, created by FBA end of story.
@@jdealsdirect7660 deprogram yourself from that brainwashing bud. Its embarrassing. The first rapper is Coke La Rock btw. Yes a Black American. First person to play nothing but break beats is Herc, a Jamaican Immigrant. Puerto Ricans were first to do front leg spins to break beats, they invented the windmill and backspin and most of the core moves known as break dancing. Charley Chase introduced many latin rhythms. Whites started the Grafitti culture back in the late 60s. TAKI183 is credited for being the first to put 3 digits after his name to rep his area or crew. DIsco, much like Salsa, and much like Hip Hop itself, was a concept of Universal Culture which only could have been created in a melting pot like NYC because it blended all sorts of musical influences from many cultures.
@@cooloutac lol....coke la rock is FBA. Facts are rapping was started as early as the 1930's. The Jubilee Quartet. Hip hop culture is Foundational Black American culture. Disco, techno, go-go, r/b, blues, gospel, house, funk, are all FBA creations. No such thing as a "universal culture". The only thing universal is math. Tether you are...😂
@cool hip hop was created by black Americans period!!! It started out by funk records being played and breakers break danced to those beats!!! Herc copied black Americans !!!! Reggae wasn’t played back then because they didn’t like it!!! Blacks invented break dancing. Ricans may have created new moves but did not create break dancing !!! Ricans didn’t create the culture!!!!!!
@@mansamusa2012 rap was. And it's over a variety of music. But hip hop is a universal nyc culture.
I'm glad to see the lies about Herc and Latinos being debunked. The entire Hip Hop community should be coming for Busta Rhymes and Fat Joe; not to mention all of these other rappers who are either lying or remaining silent because they don't want to lose money.
Im from the UK. I got into HIP HOP in about 83 and it was the culture that i liked about HIP HOP, the breaking, graf, fashion the whole thing. I remember saying to my mum that it wasn't just a fad its way more than that. Thats what needs to come back, bring all the elements together again! 💯
Same here UK in the house, my HipHop journey started by elder brother dropping 'Planet Rock', and seing people rocking Sergiio Tachinni and Kappa tracksuits
Make ur own culture up . Hop off Americas Dik
Yep exactly..London mid 1982 onwards the HIP HOP CULTURE was Firing on all cylinders.. the fashion was lit.. Nike windjammers , puma states, adidas gazelles, diadora gold & silver elite ,thick laces,ski googles, ski hats, kangols, fur hoodies, goose duck downs, fila bj, farahs,hunter leather jackets kappa,, sergios, ellesse, lacoste, pringles & lyle & scott, lillywhites, piccadilly,,covent garden & Charing Cross were the Infamous meeting points for breakers, poppers taggers & writers.. also all the youth centre hangouts scattered across london you had clubs like Spats on Oxford street, Electric Ballroom in Camden Town, The Africa Centre in Covent Garden, the Tabernacle in Ladbroke Grove ,the Lyceum in Leicester Square,mud club, Gossips & Wag
to be honest we all got into the Electro Funk before breakbeats because that was mostly being played on pirate radio stations like LWR, INVICTA radio, Solar & Horizon radio, then DJs like Streetz Ahead, Imperial Mixers , Max lx & Dave vj , Chris Forbes, DJ Chisel , DJ Untouchable, DJ Undercover, DJ Fingers & Ritchie Rich were cutting the breaks that's when we took an interest because we wanted to know what records they were using.
@@negroantonio28 The Nike Windrunner top was pivotal for a superb back spinning move on Lino
Same here.. Brixton 83.... London in da building
I been trying to tell people what Hip Hop REALLY is. It's a people, in a place in time enjoying their culture, Black culture. Juxtapose that with that goofy Thor movie where Asgard was destroyed and Odin told Thor that Asgard isn't a place, it's a PEOPLE. Those who LIVED that life, carry that culture within.
After that way of life is no longer being manifested into daily life, something else, for good or bad, will take it's place for that next generation and that was the RAP generation where anything goes for getting paid.
But that Hip Hop generation, we still here, alive and kickin'!!!
You're right, Hip-Hip IS a culture....but its NOT a race.
tons of non-african americans were not only around, but actively contributed to the vibrant burgeoning culture of hip-hop. "predominantly" does not equal "exclusively."
@@6thElementOfHipHop hi. to me, the fifth is producing/makin beats.... what is the 6th?
The first rapper is Coke La Rock btw. Yes a Black American. First person to play nothing but break beats is Herc, a Jamaican Immigrant. Puerto Ricans were first to do front leg spins to break beats, they invented the windmill and backspin and most of the core moves known as break dancing. Charley Chase introduced many latin rhythms. Whites started the Grafitti culture back in the late 60s. TAKI183 is credited for being the first to put 3 digits after his name to rep his area or crew. DIsco, much like Salsa, and much like Hip Hop itself, was a concept of Universal Culture which only could have been created in a melting pot like NYC because it blended all sorts of musical influences from many cultures.
What is black culture ?!
Some of the best subject matter and clarification I have ever seen. This really put the dirt on the grave of alot of HIP-HOP falsehoods that had been circulating forever.
Peace to all these UNSUNG BROTHERS!
The ORIGIN of the Culture of HIP-HOP was vastly different than the standardized story.
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It's not vastly different. Kool Herc was is the most influential DJ in Hip Hop.
It didn't start hip hop but it did advance parts of hip hop culture. Namely, breaking, Djing, and extending the break so MC could rhyme over the continuous break.
Most are not informed about hip hop culture as most who have chosen to enter this argument from a lineage based framework. The fact they are conflating hip hop with the musical aspect of it speaks to that.
Props to Michael Wayne tv thank you for guarding our culture Black American culture first
Guarding it from who?
I like how he mentioned having respect for your elders. I feel that element is missing nowadays in alot of the younger folks. Man, I miss the days when it was about rockin' the party and not about money.
You can say that again, say that again!🤔🤔🤔
Get these guys while they are still here with us!!!
We need a podcast to just high light the founding fathers pre- Sugar Hill gang era
BIG FACTS
That "friends and lovers "mentality, has erased us out of history, it produces, "divided loyalties" It has put us in a supporting role. These controversies is only an announcement. The ground has already been broken for a new museum. Are our Creators gonna be included or ignored? Award shows, for those who played minor roles, is already scheduled to be showcased, are we included to be in the audience or on stage, to co sign on it ? You can t have a few participants, and they wind up being the center of a musical genre, they didn t create ? These teenagers, we have a duty to teach, even now. Prepare them for the Olympics in the Art form they naturally possess. Any other genre, we create, we should have, different behaviors. We could never be celebrated in any other culture, in any shape form or fashion, cause we wouldn t be included. Thats the lesson to be learned.
Accurate!!!!
I’m 50 and we lived it hip hop is the culture it was about young teenagers having fun dancing and the music was not just a song it’s been in us as children was it was the good times we could remember and man I can remember it all especially the late 70’s early 80’s an we was expressing and experiencing it way down here in New Orleans trust you me we was hip hopping ok in the projects my daddy was DJaying my mother use to call us little Kangaroos 🦘🦘
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I always said respect your elders because a man without history has no identity ❗️✊🏾🎧Dj Vegas,we all had some kind of influence rather we want to admit or not ❗️❗️🎯
Pete Jones said in 69' or 70' he extended breakbeats, years before Kool Herc. Pete has stated that he was not a hiphop DJ but also stated that he wasn't a disco dj either, even though he played it from time to time. He started out in his early years playing R&B, Blues, and Funk. Disco came around in 75' or 76'.
Exactly correct people don't understand the time line of Disco and all the other music.
Okay so what about King Charles who was the Jamaican DJ playing in Queens who was before that dude. And the dude can say what he want to say but where's the evidence?
Pete Dj Jones owned the first major sound system that many of the first hip hop DJ'S played on. I think a more accurate term for Pete Dj Jones was a black popular music Dj as was the case with most black dj's who were labeled disco dj's. They played various styles, including disco funk and regular R&B. As you stated, Pete Dj Jones never claimed to be a hip hop dj, but Flash cites him as someone who provided him Dj guidance when he was really young and he helped put Flash on to a different type of audience!!
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What year did King Charles start playing in Queens? Also, didn't he mostly let other Djs play on his sound system?
I did provide evidence, the evidence came from Pete Jones himself when he was talking about what he did. The people who worked for him and attended his functions provide further evidence.
Okay so what break beats was Pete extending in'69 or '70? and what mixer was he using in the '69 or '70? What would be the reason for him to do that at that time?
Its not just mainstream people that have set the narrative for this history. Normal folks from all over NYC constantly contradict each other when detailing their story and "the" story of Hip Hop. It is clear alot of these accounts are compromised by ego and nostalgia and not an earnest attempt to establish truthful history. Everyone wants to elevate their partcipation or contribution. Another issue is just how many "pioneers" or early heads have since died, become inprisoned or have degraded into mentally ill, homeless addicts. Its all a tragedy. This chapter in history will never be told correctly. Even now its like crabs in a barrel constantly pulling eachother down.
One truth we do know. It was Black culture and not Puerto Rican or Latin.
The best reply I’ve seen so far!!!!
It’s from their recollection of course it will be different🙄🙄
Bruh wtf. Long as reply full of negative talk.
DERIVED OUTA SLAVERY.....THE MUSIC.. THE LYRICS.. THE BEATS..ALL BY FBA🏹✊🏿 👈🏿👉🏿THE FOUNDING FATHERS OF HIPHOP🏹✊🏿💯 since the 20s/ 30s CREATED BEFORE IT GOT THE NAME HIPHOP💯
@Extinguish Idiot's Ummmm... Oh Hell Yeah‼️
All Music traces back to Africa. But so does the white man. We are all one people and this is the philosophy passed down from Dizzy Gillespie who is a founding father of Latin Jazz and NYC club music. deprogram yourself from that brainwashing bud. The first rapper is Coke La Rock btw. Yes a Black American. First person to play nothing but break beats is Herc, a Jamaican Immigrant. Puerto Ricans were first to do front leg spins to break beats, they invented the windmill and backspin and most of the core moves known as break dancing. Charley Chase introduced many latin rhythms. Whites started the Grafitti culture back in the late 60s. TAKI183 is credited for being the first to put 3 digits after his name to rep his area or crew, he spawned everyone else. DIsco, much like Salsa, and much like Hip Hop itself, was a concept of Universal Culture which only could have been created in a melting pot like NYC because it blended all sorts of musical influences from many cultures.
@@cooloutacWe are not all one people you liar.
Thanks @Michael Waynetv for reminding us that there is more to the story of hip hop than what's commonly accepted. People center the music (breaks) as the beginning but therenis so much more to it, as you've been documenting 🙏🏽✊🏽✌🏽
Big ups, thanks for the history. I came from Monroe and seen it all !!
The culture was there and no extending breaks did not start the culture but the hiphop music form was started with the extending of the break.
We're ya been Brother?? You been the man behind the RECEIPTS the past few months. 😂 Let's take it back to the ESSENCE.
I come across channels that are trying to put their 2 cents into the origins of hip-hop and they're not even from NYC. Hip-hop and rap is NYC culture despite the artificial stuff going around today.
He is talking about the energy in the air in the bronx. Its very hard to explain what it was back then it was like magic. Shot out Morriss Heights
Just finished listening to last night changed it all on UBB. DJ Phase is speaking 100% facts. if you listen closely, it’s looped DJ Phase is definitely a Pioneer he was there !thanks for sharing
DJ Phase was a little boy 👦🏽 not even a teen when Disco king Mario was DJaying with Tex Dj Hollywood in 1971
@@BoricuaNyc it’s also documented DJ Phase was a genius playing drums as a kid and responsible for some of the most popular breaks in Hip Hop music distributed on vinyl.
Another excellent video brother. Honors #Freedmen
I always love hearing DJ Phase speak. It would be tremendous to meet him. The knowledge is logarithmically off the scale.
Thank you for documenting this shit,I moved to the view ln 78 after the 77 blackout.the East Bronx was musically active.the jam's was peaceful until crack came out & the 🎵🎶 faded into a corporate frequency & here we are in 2022 with billionaires & millionaire's off of something that started in the soundview area.
Much respect Minnesota. I was listening to you and MBP on Stretch & Bobbito and I got to know do you still have the second beat from the freestyle? czcams.com/video/0FtYgJY2n4I/video.html That is menacing, gutter ass beat
Big up Minnesota. Hope ur good.That boy Phase the Original Beatmaster.
I was waiting for a scholar to bless us. Everybody else has an opinion which is one sided but you always bring the facts Michael Waynetv. Thank you sir.
I had a catalog from Downstairs Records. It was coveted and kept secret by lots of djs when I was coming up during the golden era.Era. I ordered that whole collection
Look at our people can’t no one mess with us
what sound did Jamaicans introduce into American music exactly? Actually reggae has its roots in black American soul and hip hop is organically American. Jamaicans musical founders admit they just copied Americans so this narrative is actually paradoxical. The influence from Jamaican music came long after its creation and only was used by those rappers of Caribbean origin IE KRS One , shyne , busta Rhymes , etc no black American rappers used Caribbean musical elements until the 90s which is 20 years later
You’re a Puppet who was told what to say bc you can’t research for yourself even when it’s easy!!! What We pioneers? I heard one artist said sing like, while Another band member looking for attention shyt but not the pioneer and the first king of Reggae Jimmy Cliff while the other king of ska Prince Buster who disagree with that statement and they are the main pioneers!! Your one of them who’s greedy biased taking one thing to claim a island culture!! Jamaican music is from Jamaicans folk music and mento if it wasn’t for mento Bob Marley wouldn’t want to be an artist his grandfather was in a mento band they greats in a Bob Marley documentary said mento!
Spot on
God bless y'all, thank you for this beautiful gift that y'all so unselfishly gave to the world. Continued global success. Word.
Rap really started with...
Here Comes The Judge - Pigmeat Markham (1968)
Watch the video.
He was born in Durham, NC in 1904. He died in Bronx, NY in 1981. It is no coincidence he was living in the Bronx, when it started in the Bronx.
SOMEONE BIT HIS STYLE!
It actually goes back to the 1940s with the Jubalaires
No it didn't.
thank you for the Documentation.
Great video about the early days of Hip Hop. Definitely Black culture.
It’s sad we have to argue that it’s black culture
@@mansamusa2012 Many are not arguing. Just presenting facts for those who are unaware.
It’s URBAN CULTURE
Bob Dylan has several times remarked on Brown’s influence on his music. Dylan, who saw Brown perform in Washington Square Park in the early 1960s, later recalled, "All these black guys would come up from south of the border and recite poetry in the park. Now they’d call them rappers. The best was a guy named Big Brown, who had long poems, each one was about 15 minutes long, and they were long, drawn-out bad man stories, romance, politics, just about everything you can imagine was thrown into his stuff. I always thought this was the best poetry I ever heard."[1]
In another interview, Dylan credited the entire genre of rap to Brown. "Nothing is new," Dylan said. "Even rap records. I love that stuff but it’s not new, you used to hear that stuff all the time … there was this one guy, Big Brown, he wore a jail blanket, that’s all he ever used to wear, summer and winter. John Hammond would remember him too-he was like Othello, he’d recite epics like some grand Roman orator, really backwater stuff though, Stagger Lee, Cocaine Smitty, Hattiesburg Hattie. Where were the record companies when he was around?"[7]
😯 wow i didn’t know that good comment
@@mansamusa2012 Mr. Bob said that Big Brown was the baddest rapper he had ever heard and that he wish that record companies would have recorded him all those special raps are gone.
If it wasn't for DJ Akademiks I wouldn't have discovered this channel.
Sea Pea... wow.. welcome.. I know dj akademiks recently made the "dusty" remarks... but how did that remark bring you here?
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 I started watching all the commentary surrounding the "dusty" remarks and people kept talking about the pioneers. Then it brought up fat joe and the Latinos started hip-hop and it just when down a rabbitt hole. Everything was pretty much debate until I got to this channel for a definitive answer. Something negative turned into an education. I'm definitely going to take a selfie if I ever see that Bronxdale House's sign.
JAMES BROWN STARTED HIP-HOP !!!!
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Peace, Michael Waynetv. I absolutely LOVE what you've been doing all these years. I've learned so much from your videos. I have a question about the rapping, specifically. (Perhaps, you could do a segment about it.) And I don't mean Pigmeat Markham, Dolemite, and all of that. I mean rapping to music within Hip-hop culture.
I know Spades were dancing down on the floor and very acrobatically from very early, and this is what led in to b-boying and so on, and that extending breaks developed later to accommodate this. My question pertains to rapping: Were brothers (or sisters) rapping before the stringing together of breakbeats? Or did that come after breaks were looped? How did that go? Can you do a segment on the earliest development of rapping in the Bronx?
C.I. Wise... One of the Spades spoke about how they as rhyming "the dozens" back in 1971 1972
I appreciate your response, brother. As I said, I'm trying to get clarity and y'all's projects are the only ones left who are qualified (and who dare) to take it back further than Herc and KRS, and all of them. Please document as much as you can while y'all are still here!
Thank You!!!
From everything I have heard from this channel, the B Boys ( in my opinion) we're the first people of hip hop. The DJ's would play out in the parks and start a party but one of the most interesting thing about these parties was the break dancers. The b boys are the one of the main things people came to see at the parties. The b boys would wait for the breaks to come on from the songs the DJ's played to dance. The B Boys started requesting the songs with the breaks. By the time Kool Herc's parties became popular the break dancers were already well known for these types of parties . Kool Herc just probably catered more to the break dancers than other DJ's of the time is my guess.
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No what it is is that some of you people just don't know how the origin of the music even started because really it's the sound systems that is the reason why hip hop started cuz if it wasn't for the sound system they would be no b-boys. But all you guys do is watch the Charlie Rock interview set it straight that it was nobody before DJ Cool Hercules playing hip hop music because of course he was a b-boy himself but check out this small little documentary right here
czcams.com/video/aASQlbktGkc/video.html
Wrong but well written
@@officialknightowlzeverybody's going to have an opinion and my opinion comes after listening to all the interviews from the people who were actually there.
@@Sneakycat1971 yeah and Charlie Rock gave the credit to DJ Kool Hercules for the start of Hip Hop and actually he named three different people. Bam, Hercules and I think Grandmaster Flash. And like I said in my previous post, if it wasn't for the sound systems which was created by the Jamaicans in 1955 there would be no turntables to be playing for people to dance to.
Harmony Records was the store in Parkchester…i bought a lot of my records, and my first Bass book there.
Break Beats( the get down)was the foundation of hip hop.
Then the evolution of cutting & scratching on time, keeping the beat & looping. Made it easy to MC & develope Mic 🎤 skill though poetry & Life events.
Roland Harris... no brother BREAKBEATS is only the foundation of BREAKDANCE... and LISTEN TO KOOL HERC's words!! KOOL HERC SAID the party people was ALREADY doing creative dances during the breaks BEFORE Kool herc extended them
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 yeah because they had all those rock beats and soul beats like bongo rock already that didn’t need a break loop
Herc wasn’t extending breaks. He wasn’t using headphones or cross fader (at first). He was jumping from break to break and it was off beat.
@@TheCulture..Starts1971 but we're talking about being abla yo write a whole song to a break, the break would have to be looped herc started that idea and it was tweaked by flash, why are we going back and forth on this, yes hip hop is a culture but, blacks especially FBA, threw it away just to focus on the music, how many still break or write graffiti, that's why this argument has to be strictly about the music and if that's the case then herc innovated the deejay and in turn inspired flash and melle Mel to make music out of the breaks, it's not rocket science, but we're clinging on this Americans started it, I consider herc and flash American, they definitely not Caribbean culturally, like I'm of Caribbean heritage but I'm British
@@AKiEM. yeah but listen to flash it gave him the idea for quick mix theory
Great interview Phase.
Herc did say the breakers influenced him to extend the beats. Minus the #Breakers and the Legacy changes.
I didn’t hear Hip Hop until DJ Hollywood. Describing the culture as “hip hop” wasn’t something I saw until the early 80s when the media wanted to name and characterize what was happening. The fashion, dances, slang, music I viewed as being NYC youth culture before it was labeled “hip hop” by the media. I tend to associate the label “hip hop” with what was characterized in the movie Wild Style moving forward. We didn’t call park jams hip hop jams.
I was never under the impression that hip hop started with the breaks. To my understanding there was a particular people who were doing a type of groove when that break in the song would come up.
It's the ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny paradox! meanwhile, the chicken and the egg are the same~
great video. informative content. thank you for your time and effort, it is appreciated
These Jamaican's like Busta are out of line. Black American music is known all over the world. Jamaican music has never had the reach that Foundational Black American music has. An I don't understand why he is so quick to engrain himself for as long as he has with people he doesn't believe to have any culture. Doesn't make a bit of sense.
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Young black kids from the Bronx started Hip hop on soundsystem mostly own by West Indian sound men . But most of those kids were not aware of or knew reggae soundsystem they just wanted to own their own sound . But Jamaican sound system owners were integral to these ...Sets as you yanks call them . King Tubbies changed the entire landscape of modern music a small humble electrician but a genuine genius of sound perfection . From dub music to early Disco & later Hip hop .it's kind of ironic alot of old school bronxs heads don't even know who he is * just like the gr8 Dj Flowers he never got his flowers . A real master of sound and a builder of Sound system .
Bwoy your claims are not supported by the UNESCO and Time magazine.Reggae is stronger than your white owned hip-hop.No real revolutionnaries like Bob Marley and Peter Tosh in Rap.They can t even play in stadiums???
Hip Hop is our ways and actions...
RIP hip hop
Salute.... WTV..that opening JB JOINT reminds me of THE DAY...this would get us FIRED TF UP!!
It also depends what your talking about when you say "hip-hop" hip-hop music or hip-hop culture , of course the music came from the culture but for people that dont know , it can be complicated
Learn something new everyday. Appreciate you brothers! Keep doing what your doing. Respect!
Heavy Gratitude
Time to set it straight.
Lol tupac music blastin in the Bronx love it 1040 sound view what up!
BreakBeats started HipHop Music. Before the use of the break we were dancing to disco, soul, and R&B complete songs.
What ethnic group made break beats in their music 🎶 before looping?
We been doing rapping, graffiti, and bboying since the 1940s. American Indians aka Black Americans started Hip Hop and only us.
@@meknow_indigenousAmerican Never said anything that challenges that. It is quoted in these interviews that Kool Herc extended the break for the B.Boys. This also gave guys on the mic, what would grow into MCing, space to talk his shit...more-so than just announcements and small tags over the record. Thats a big step in the culture as HipHop formed.
@@meknow_indigenousAmerican American Indians are not black
@@biggcebo he wasn’t the first to extend the breaks. He was just the first to do it to the young black teenagers. The culture and elements of hip hop already existed. He just did it to a different crowd. Which is why even he doesn’t take credit for inventing hip hop.
What DJ phase was trying to explain but Wasn't very clear on about ultimate beats and breaks was that they looped some of the breaks on those series.
Break beat Lou talks about this. That's why they were more desirable to play in many instances and the face you had alot of good joints on one record.
totally - yes a few tracks are extended for sure on that series . more desireable to play as well so you don't freak your rare sides at a gig!! - and I think in some cases were 45 only sides and not everyone can cut 45s great like Mark let alone find them at a record store :) peace
I had every volume. Was easier to cut because they would loop those breaks.
@@k.pattbx I have almost every track in original pressing that they used on the volumes. That was my goal starting in 1990 to find all the tracks on there. Had the best luck the first 5 years finding them.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 That’s super dope. I admit I got lazy years ago when I could find everything on MP3 & later digital. I still got a few crates spread out at a few apartments.
@@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777 I used to cop all those plates from Brads records uptown early 80s. They used to hide them in the back so you had to know someone there. Lol
Hell no! Homie straight talking out his ass!
HIP HOP STARTED WITH HYPEMAN RHYMING OF THE BREAKS OF TWO DIFFERENT RECORDS
Before that everybody was playing disco/uptempo R&B and Jazz
This whole culture thing he talking about is a marketing scheme
David Mancuso first DJ to blend 2 songs into each to make continuous music. Walter Gibbons first DJ to beat juggle 2 of the same record. Kool Herc first to beat juggle the breaks two different records at the same time. Crowd wasn’t understanding what the DJ was doing which then brought the hypeman to pump the DJ & the crowd. That’s why the theme of early hip hop was the DJ & the crowd.
All that other stuff being added in is just inner city culture, you got ppl doing all that while not listening to any hip hop
These MFs whitewashing
Hip hop/rap is a MUSIC created by/for the DJ
All that other stuff, is INNER CITY CULTURE. Everybody was doing that shit
Real talk bro!!!!!
Foundational Black Americans have created a rich captivating culture and everybody wants to state their claim on our culture. The only non immigrants in the country have no friends and we have a common interest to band together and gate keep our culture.
Wisdom. from S.Korea
Okay... Disco King Mario probably had the best sound system... But to my knowledge,D.J. Kool Herc invented the "Mary-Go-Round". That became the precursor to Afrika Bambatta & Grandmaster Flash. Now,breakbeats have always been a part of hip-hop... There's no way of getting around it... The breakbeats are important but it didn't create it. Breakbeats are essential to hip-hop because that's what the B-Boys and B-Girls we're breaking too. #Facts.
Of the best , but the beats weren’t hip hop rather it was just looped funk. Hip hop didn’t exist until people played the beats live then went to electronic beats . Cool herc didn’t produce any music the music he played was James brown . James brown music had very long breaks that he rapped on live and could be rapped over without a loop. Even today rap is rap even without a beat . I think trying to give the credit to cool herc and not those before is disingenuous. Also herc is credited for 2 turntables that’s how he did merry go round and he learn that from the disco djs .
That's what Rahiem said on the LORD JAMAR'S GODCAST, too. He said once Here started playing, people started playing the records Here was playing and everybody was copying HERC, COKE-LA-ROCK, and I think he said the L Brothers. I don't know why everyone try's to take credit from Here. Even when HIP-HOP first met the big screen, the early founders was given Her credit, now the Johnny come latelys are trying to change the narrative.
@@CITYOFSHOOTERS Which James Brown record had very long breaks? Do you think that Herc was rapping to the beat of the record back in the day? Who gave Herc credit for 2 turntables? I'm curious as to where you got your info from.
@@doncatalog Rahiem is correct.
Hiphop takes any and every music genre and frames it to the culture. Playing music don't make you hiphop. Djs existed for years, rappers existed for years. All these old ny djs claiming they were hiphop when they were djs.
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The rockers danced to break beats.. they were called rockers way before the break dancers
I think you miss the whole point commentator; Who are the so-called "black" Americans, the Caribbean is also so-call "black" America. Foremost "black" U.S.American, is not a homogeneous group, secondly Hip Hop was not invented, Hip Hop is a culture, that evolved, and with out Anglophone, and Latin Caribbean influence with Southern U.S.American influences in New York City there would be no Hip Hop. Hip Could not be evolve in any other parts of the U.S. but New York City; other parts of the U.S. do not have a highly cosmopolitan culture. Without Caribbean influences you would have Go Go music, Detroit Booty musics or probably would be listening to Disco which is basically pop music. Of course the younger folks in 1970s New York city would not like Jamaican Sounds because it was not pop culture, that have nothing to do with ethnicity, New York City is a so-call melting pot, the young folks who did not like Jamaican sounds at the time were also Caribbean New Yorker. How long does it take to be a so-call FBA, what about the Caribbean who were part of 13 colonies before the United States became an independent State, What about the Afro founding fathers who hails from the Caribbean are they not so-call FBA. The fact is without Caribbean input there would be no Hip Hop, only silly people would dispute this, thus I think the 'f' in FBA stands for foolish.
Always liked Queens rappers anyway
B-boy stands for break boy. They would dance to the breaks.
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That's called 'having a party'.
What about the bands who created the beats
Question ( for clarification) what were Breakers ( Breakdancers) dancing to before the extension of the break portion of the beat? Was it disco? was it R&B?
James Brown
Black Americans have never required "break beats" to do acrobatic or dancing. Observe James Brown and Michael Jackson. It can be done with ANY music with a consistent beat.
You know how explained this best the hip hop teacher herself Dena Rizzo
Jamaicans did not start hip hop!!!!!
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@@BoricuaNyc foundational black American started it everybody else came later
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You’re not talking about what’s in the title
This is what many from today don't understand is all that is in being a B-Boy.
Music Factory in the BX or in Jamaica Queens
According to Cholly Rock in one of your videos, graffiti is not an element of hip hop. And Grandmaster Flash also said graffiti is not hip hop. I agree with them
Graffiti is definitely Hip-Hop. Kay Slay ( rip )was a Dj and a Graffiti artists way back in the day. Fat Joe, KRS-ONE both were graffiti writers so yeah its definitely Hip-Hop.
@@teebed-stuy3819 Graffiti is not an element of hip hop. Grandmaster Flash was a graffiti artist before he was a dj, and even he said graffiti is not hip hop
@@teebed-stuy3819 There were people who were punk-rockers and metal-heads who were graffiti artist. Do that mean graffiti is punk-rock or metal?
@@mackdabear I'm not ignorant in knowing graff predates Hip Hop but, if it's not Hip Hop, what makes it not?
Kilroy was here and all the scribbling on the pyramids are graffiti, but dancing letters and force fields and such... to me that's Hip Hop graffiti and pretty distinctly so. Am I wrong?
To put it simply, graffiti is part of hiphop but hiphop is not part of graffiti.
Graffiti is a subculture all to its own but it also helped lay the foundation (along with gang culture) for hiphop.
Herc, Bam, and Flash we’re all writers first along with most others involved in the culture.
Phase 2 not only helped lay the foundation for graffiti by being one of the most influential and innovative writers of all time he was also a bboy, DJ, MC, and designed the original hiphop flyers.
TBB (The Bronx Boys), one of the original bboy crews, started as a graffiti crew.
I could give examples all day but its all a matter of perspective. Doing graffiti doesn’t make you hiphop and plenty of writers over the years have nothing to do with hiphop and some claim to hate it (unless it’s putting a check in their pocket) but it’s undeniable that graffiti has been an integrable part of hiphop since the beginning.
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I think the confusion with the whole breakbeats started hiphop thing. Is the explanation by those that talk about it. Extending breakbeats was done so that the MCs could rhyme for extended period of time. That part was the beginning of the music creation/ performance aspect of it. Of course it would have had to existed before then. Or it wouldn’t have even gotten to that point if it wasn’t for the style, the parties, the art/ graph, and the lifestyle. People just need to be more clear when talking about what it comes from. Word
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It can be argued that there was no “start”…. Everything is built on something that came before. But isn’t playing those break records what differentiated Hip-Hop DJs from other DJs? That’s what I heard. So Hip-Hop *DJing* did start with those Breaks. Either way, it’s a semantics argument.
Right?!?! Bc I’m sure if u interviewed some cats from the early 60’s they had sharp clothes, funky music, talked slick, etc but no one is saying that era is hip hop
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To be honest, Bronx river made it hip hop... Bam can't claim it because he's caught up in the pedophile nonsense but Bronx river brought it all together.i 1st saw Mario yelling Chuck chuck City!!¡! @ 9yrs Old.... Who knew this shit would be what it is today.🎯💣💥
The guy said they were already doing Disco breaks. They just did them on different genre Funk and Soul records.
The break loops you are particularly speaking of are the ones done specifically for the break dancers. The breakers are what really separated other parties from the many others. Minus the breakers and it would have been a other party and nothing more. The breaks extension was done so they can watch the breakers. At that time #Breaking was #Bigtime !! Hip Hop still has to admit this!
Coolness. Back in the day. Early 1972. 73. 74. Definitely. If you wasn't Cool. You wasn't down. Back then. If you seen. 25 guys. Only about 8 or 9. Out of about 25. Guys was Cool. Wearing fly clothes. Talking different (slang. Continues slang. And then the ATTITUDE. They were just different. Guys from bronxdale. Everyone wanted to be a part of what they was doing.
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It's Interesting To hear what the Bronx's Black Spades and other Bronx's Gangs were playing After The Gangs had their Sit Down and how the Members would talk and Rhyme on the Mics ? So like late 71 ? No JA Influence ( Herc ) No Brooklyn or Queens Influence. Even before The Great Disco Mario Sound System . It must've sounded very Americanised and Urban. It's like one could say Hip Hop evolved out Gang street Culture. In the late 70s The Early Funk Sounds In London imitated The Dj's and Sound systems In Brooklyn and Queens talking Slick playing funk and Disco beats. While Reggae Sounds were more Urban and Mc orientated . Interesting.
You full of BS. This is why I watch all the videos with people who was actually there because they telling the truth
The whole sound system thing started in Jamaica in the mid-50s.
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As soon as heard it it was the truth JAMES BROWN ALL DAY IS TYE FOUNDATION AND THE BAND THAT CARRIED THAT FUNK
Who Was The First In The Hood With A Drum Machine And Sampler, The Fist Hip Hop Producers??
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Just found a sick break beat on a Polish record. It's totally boom bap with perfect reverb
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@@slickfirmament5934 No - Farida - on Muza.. a 1972 LP compilation of her singles from the late 60s. Has a hard edge mixed with super lush. I have the LP - but someone posted the whole LP - it's the last track "Ill pianoforte' czcams.com/video/Dq32DIfan1k/video.html - theres tons of other great bits on it too.
Yeah but unfortunatly this record is not played by black folks so « it’s not hip-hop » !
I’m joking, it’s a black’s black’s world but it wouldn’t be nothing, nothing, without a white´s man worth !
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So can we get a concise definition of what Hip Hop was at the beginning. Years? What is the culture precisely? Where? When ? Why? Is there such a thing a pre Hip Hop era? What exactly is the culture? A teenage gang culture is the foundation of Hip Hopand The DJ was secondary to the development to its synthesis. I've been watching so many different videos on this subject with different perspectives, points of view.
All you will get is a lack of cohesion. There are too many egos and lies in the development of Hip Hop. A decent mythology can arise from this but little truth.
@@djisolated4968 The lack of cohesion, lies, and egos come from people like Fat Joe and other culture vultures who want to steal from the Blacks who created it...
The issue and what I came to realize are people from there are speaking just from THEIR perspective and what THEY experienced. And being that gangs guarded their turf, those people only knew what's happening in THEIR hood and not in totality. Therefore fragmented conflicting information. However, and this cannot be disputed: Herc started looping breaks. Coke La Rock was his MC. DJs began to imitate Herc and Coke starting with Bambaataa. The B-boys and the graffiti writers came to those parties and Bambaataa created the Zulu Nation based off that collective of MCs, DJs, B-boys and graffiti writers and came up the ideology which hip hop culture eventually is known for. Grandmaster Flash with Grand Wizard Theodore mastered and standardized the art of turntablism. Grandmaster Melle Mel and Grandmaster Caz started actual lyricism where before MCs were doing chants and call & response. They did not create RAP but were the first true rappers in hip hop. Lastly, the black out of 1977 is the reason why rap music recordings were born. Before, people were too poor to record or make songs. But the blackout caused a lot of looting and afterwards, everyone got recordings equipment and started independent labels and rap group to produce demo records. 1979 were the first rap records pushed. The rest is history.
If you want to know the truth.only listen to the BreakDancers.The djs and the mcs are telling alot of lies
@@alleykat6171 when I want to put a puzzle together & get an accurate picture of that puzzle I'm going to gather not only the testimonials of breakdancers but all of the elements too it was a combined effort before capitalism evidently took a bite off it never was the same ever since
I need the bro who claim to start the hip hop fashion to explain please how that's possible, Thx.
If these people want to claim the good within our culture take the bad.The Rico charges these brothers are charged with,the souls being taken from us before the victim had the chance to be heard.The FBI dossier of all the artists, because I find it interesting how we don't benefit from our own culture. Black people support other races of people business,but they never support ours.
Well the reality of it is because of these sound systems this is the reason why Hip Hop was started and the sound systems was created by the Jamaicans in the 1950s. Then England took upon it because a lot of Jamaicans visited England. And then Japan and Italy and stuff started building sound systems and then it finally came to the USA. So Grandma has the flowers had sound systems and King Charles because it was already made in popular in Jamaica. And that's really where hip hop started you can't forget about the sound systems and the turntables. But at the same time you talking about all these charges in a negative things that go with it that was with the Spades because New York was all about gang culture so they brought that element into hip hop too that gang life. We gave you the sound systems which was the reason why Hip Hop was created but you added the gang element to it and the attitudes. So y'all can keep that for yourself and now I'll look what you see today you see young rappers getting killed because they trying to portray the image of gang life. So y'all really didn't bring nothing good to this thing. It's a big money making industry but it's a lot of people getting killed by it so there's the negative aspect to it and then yeah I want to take the Jamaicans Heritage from them by saying they had nothing to do with the creation of Hip Hop but y'all took our sound systems.
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@@SOLDIERSOFCHRISTCWO This is all cap and Jamaicans got their soundsystems from black Americans in the first place.
Hmm
Hip-Hop is a culture. Break beat looping was just one element of that culture. It was the youth who created Hip-Hop.
1. DJ
2. MC
3. Graff Writing
4. Break Dancing
5. Fashion
6. and the 6th Element of Hip-Hop is COMIC BOOKS.
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