The Genderswap Trans Nightmare of She's the Man
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Intro - 0:00
She's the Man - 3:39
Trying to Explain the Entire Romance Nightmare - 25:18
She's the Man Again - 27:38
So What Was This Film - 40:32
Amanda Bynes and Cis Dysphoria - 43:29
Outro - 45:21 - Zábava
"Crazy messy board with connections between notes" is a trope we're all familiar with but the board being comically small is actually a genius subversion of the trope.
Agreed I think it’s hilarious. Don’t invest in the bigger whiteboard
same I actually laughed out loud because I didn't realize that's a whiteboard
This proves to me that she did it on purpose... the little scamp. 😏
I appreciate that Amanda Bynes said she got dysphoria playing this movie!
It's almost like having to pretend to be the other gender makes you feel bad.
Just goes to show how real dysphoria is!
yeah crazy isn't it
There was also an experiment done on a boy where they told him he was a girl his entire life. He actually got super depressed. He ended up ending his life even after the truth was revealed. Shows how damaging the whole thing was.
If a cis boy is forced to be trans, then a trans boy/girl forced to to cis will have the same effects
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whats the name of the experiment / study?
not tryna be rude, but it sounds very interesting.
@@under_90 Not sure if this is what they meant but there was a case of a baby boy who's circumcision was messed up so they had the parents raise him as a girl and studied him. David Reimer
Probably Bynes also felt like that due to trauma from the CSA that she sadly endured at the hands of her former employer, a predator who specifically targets young girls. During filming 'She's The Man', she probably felt a shocking, frightening degree of confusion about visually presenting differently as the femme female that she is and was when she was sexually abused, a mixture of relief and terror and self-judgement.
as a trans guy, she's the man annoyed me a lot when i was growing up and first saw it. i saw someone born female who somehow passed as male to those around her and it made me so envious. i wished sooo bad that i could do that. the fact that she didn't just stay a boy at the end made me so mad as a kid, i thought it was just an obvious thing that everyone wishes they could live as the opposite gender. oops.
i also kind of had this problem with mulan, but to a way lesser extent than she's the man. when watching mulan i usually just tuned out whenever it got to the part where she was revealed as female.
so yeah seeing women disguising themselves as men in media has stuck with me.
i never saw shes the man until pretty recently actually, but yeah the constant narrative from this type of stuff of 'oh you have to go back to being a girl at some point ur not allowed to stay a guy Everyone Goes Back To Being A Girl At The End... is it any wonder that growing up i thought i Wasnt Allowed to be a guy and i had to be a girl??
also like the whole "i thought everyone felt like this" is such a mood too i would always think about what i would do if i was turned into a guy for a day (that fairly odd parents episode also got to me i think) and like i just thought everyone thought about "trying out switching genders" and wished it could happen at least once... took me until high school until i learned being trans is a thing that exists and maybe im not cis...
Mulan crossdressed to save her father from war, not to fit in with the crowd. Bit different
@@falconeshield yes, i know that, that's why i said "to a lesser extent".
Felt. I was also jealous of Haruhi from Ouran High School Host Club for similar reasons. That pain of seeing media where a girl is able to flawlessly pass as a guy when I couldn't do more than be seen as a tomboy was so confusing. But alongside the envy and frustration it was a bit of an escape fantasy for me as well. Sure maybe I couldn't achieve what Mulan or Viola or Haruhi achieved IRL but while watching them I could immerse myself in that possibility for just a short while. Complicated feelings towards these pieces of media lol. And despite this and constantly saying I wished I was a boy everyone was surprised and didn't believe me when I came out as trans...
Same here man. I think a big part of why I didn't like movies like She's the Man or Mulan as a kid was because they would get so close to how I felt, and then do a complete 180. I was sheltered, so didn't even find out about trans men until my early 20s. But I still remember being a kid and watching those movies. You see these fictional characters get anything and everything you ever wanted (being seen as a guy completely), only for them to throw it all away and go forward as girls/women. At that point, it seemed worse than other characters just being girls/guys. Like if you're hungry and you see someone decline food, you just figure they aren't hungry and don't dwell on it. If you're hungry and see someone eat a meal, then you might be jealous but at least recognize that you would do the same and can appreciate that at least they are enjoying their food. But if you are hungry and see someone order food, only to turn around and throw the entire meal into the trash...it just feels like a slap in the face since you would have gladly had that meal. Probably not the best analogy, but that's how I always felt with movies like this growing up, and is probably why I didn't get into them as much as I know some other trans guys did.
There's something about knowing that this movie, a movie that was a gender awakening for a lot of people, caused Amanda Bynes herself gender dysphoria that I feel isn't really talked about. Cis people can experience gender dysphoria and her talking about this movie and how it made her feel resonated so deeply for me. I think it's something people don't talk about enough.
Was hoping someone would leave a comment mentioning this 🙌🏻
I believe this was the result of that one twin experiment where they assigned female to a twin boy with a botched circumcision and he ended up committing suicide later. It was done with the intention of proving that gender is a product of nurture rather than nature but it accidentally ended up proving the opposite. He and his twin were subjected to a number of other perverted experiments though.
It's also interesting how dysphoria and dysmorphia often agitate each other and make the other worse. Bynes has talked about how this movie made her eating disorder worse because she was already struggling with body dysmorphia and this role compounded with that was just... bad news.
that's really interesting
Wait this was a *high school* movie?? I thought this was set in college. I think I'm going to keep believeing it's college for my own sanity
Same
It HAS to be originally written as college but Bynes looked too young for college age with that look or they wanted it to fit Bynes' younger audience demographic a LITTLE bit more
@@boojersey13 I'm guessing it's the latter. It's really unfortunate too because having it be set in college would reduce both plot holes as well as the ick factor of minors being sexualized.
Lily said it's high school but a women's team. Women are not in high school.
@@Coffeeisnecessarynowpepper and Toby in the movie says "Man I hate high school" after his rant about Duke getting to be into Eunice
The way Vinny Jones says “We don’t discriminate…BASED. ON. GENDER!” makes it sound like they DO discriminate based on other factors
I can excuse racism but I will not stand for sexism
I was unfair towards Vinny Jones. I never believed him to be a good actor, but he very clearly wasn't just playing himself when he said that line.
@@ashikjaman1940You can excuse racism?!
@@s2sHoXXs2I love both of you so very much. This comment section is streets ahead.
@@rainydaygaming5507I got excited when I saw that reference and I now need a chang of pants
About the crotch shot scene
One thing that always pissed me off is how many people don't realise just how much it hurts to get kicked in the groin even if you don't have balls
It can be enough pain to induce fainting, as was the case for one girl I heard about who hit hers on a dancing pole
It hurts like hell, especially if you're on the larger side
The idea that you're just a Ken doll and you can take hits like a champ is so stupid, lol
I agree that a kick or a pole would really hurt, but in the movie’s defense I don’t think getting hit by a soccer ball is that bad, your thighs would take a lot of the impact
Pain tolerance is also a funny thing.
There's also plenty of people who can walk off crotch-shots with barely more than a dull ache.
I got into a lot of fights as an AMAB kid, and when a bully would kick me in the crotch I just got angrier and fought harder.
I mean I don't have dangly bits but I'm a pretty good champ when I'm hit with a crotch-shot. But maybe I've just been lucky with the aim.
@@haleyalaym6231agreed. Also the difference in material hardness. Getting hit on the pelvic bone with a metal pole is different from getting hit by a leather ball
@@ElizaArika a leather ball, but it is coming with some velocity and force
as a gay trans man this movie wasn't really my trans awakening, but it did genuinely scare me as a 12 year old when I watched the homoerotic scenes and felt genuine emotions during them... it was the gayest thing I had ever been exposed to... and I desperately wanted them to get together as two guys... I could not care less about the hetero part of the relationship... and I didn't know what that meant... it was so stressful
I remember something about seeing sister-dressed-as-guy and the actual guy side by side making me inexplicably sad as a kid
as a cis (lesbian) woman with no interest in being super femenine i've struggled with people asuming im a boy. when i was younger i had trans friends so it wasnt weird to question my own gender, but i came to the conclusion that i love being a girl but its so painful when i get called as a he/him so i just think about how much trans people must go trough. my own family had insisted in me being a boy just bc i dont fit in a femenine stereotype and that makes me feel so bad bc they wouldnt say the same thing to my femenine straight sister and i experience horrible dysphoria. sending all my support to all the trans folks out there and thank you for this video:).
All the girls I knew in high school who really liked She's The Man are no longer girls (myself included)
I'm still a* cis girl BUT a huge bisexual. Does that that count for like half a point? LOL
@@grmgt as a bisexual myself (im transmasc) I really relate to Olivia tho, crushing on Viola!Seb, because she thinks Seb is a guy but is also attracted to his feminine side and the way he understands women. I have headcannoned Olivia as bisexual for years but she's too much of a minor character to be actually analyzed as such, so it's just a little fun headcanon for me.
@@spntageous5249 Omg 100% YES! Huge bi vibes from Olivia. We have the same heacannon hahaha ❤️
It's always funny to me when something I liked as a little girl, none of the other little girls who liked it are girls anymore.
had the opposite thing happen to me, all the boys i knew that liked it are all girls now
Are kissing booths even real because they seem like a recipe for an outbreak to me
They used to be, and probably still are in some backwater areas that haven't gotten with the times.
I once did a carnival game tight rope challenge where the reward if you made it to the end was a kiss from either the guy or woman at the other end.
I turned down the kiss because I was only doing it to prove to the person I was at the event with that I could, but it was the offered prize.
This was early to mid 1990s.
@@MrGreensweightHist that was such a king move
why would anyone want to kiss a random person x_x @@MrGreensweightHist
As a trans woman, seeing that clip of the nightmare where she's in a dress playing soccer is like the exact inverse vibes of nightmares I've had, it caused a very visceral reaction for me
I feel like this is so common for transmascs, to have a protagonist who is "only crossdressing to achieve a goal" to the point that they're never considered transgender at all despite obvious and sometimes (as seen here) intentional trans coding. Just like how real trans men's stories are treated 🤔
EDIT: wanted to clarify this was a dig at the text and not Lily! in case it wasnt already clear
This applies to most every queer person historically (i.e. "they were very good friends") but this especially goes for trans men/trans masculine people, yeah. Even when there's tons of irrefutable evidence like in the case of Brandon Teena, people will continue to misgender trans people and lie that they only transitioned to meet some end. For real, don't look up any 1990s - 2000s article about Boys Don't Cry or Brandon Teena IRL. 😬
When I was a kid my brother and I would create stories with Lego and my primary characters I played always were "girls that had to be boys for plot reasons but secretly liked being boys" and I'm sure that said nothing about what I would grow up to be (I am now a trans man)
Yeah, I feel that. Or you just. Always play male characters. XD
@@PhantomFandoms This was cool to learn as a Lego fan and an ally so thank you for sharing that, I'm not trans so this is a different story but I have some very early memories of imitating comics panel-by-panel and specifically the women in them (this included Lego Padme, they used to have comics in Lego instructions and she was in one) and I might've thought something about wanting to be like them, I was 4 at the most so it's hard to remember before my parents tried to condition that out of me. Again, I'm not trans so I'm pretty sure this just links to me being slightly feminine (something I've tried to internally deny for so long), but I suddenly remembered this after reading your comment so I felt it could be relevant.
@@animekitty6460 or always out of fear still picked the boobed characters just in case anyone saw 😂
"because there is no respect for short kings in the year 2006" Lily every single line you write is so absolutely hilarious-- thank goodness for your videos!
lol this, the mcdonald's line had me in tears
cant believe youtube is trying to make this masterpiece flop
Let’s give it likes of likes and comments so it won’t flop!
It's brand new, on what basis are you saying CZcams is trying to make it flop? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding something. It might be a joke but I'm not getting it if it is
@bobsonny if you read her community page you'll see that it got taken down last night and then the comments were turned off. this isn't the first attempt at uploading this video.
Commenting to boost B-)
@@angelrosalia888 yea i tried watching it yesterday, but it was gone ,'/
from a non-female vagina-haver: THANK YOU for pointing out that crotch shots will hurt regardless! that always bugs me whenever it comes up in fiction
Ok but I don't get that, usually it'd be from the front not from underneath? Obviously I can't compare and maybe that hurts way less but from the front to me it doesn't hurt more than on a thigh
I'd love to get an updated interview with Amanda Bynes on this. I still think that's utterly fascinating that she had, what can easily be describe as dysphoria, from filming this. Not something we usually hear about from actors doing these kind of gender swap roles, but also, most are usually MtF. I still wonder what the experience was like for her. Also wonder if any actors really started to question their sense of gender while doing these films, and even debate or discover if they're actually trans as well.
Amanda has also talked at length about suffering from severe body dysmorphia as well - it makes me wonder if that was an aspect of what caused her dysphoria too since we don’t see many actors who go through this when playing gender swapped parts
I think a large part in why we don't see more cis actors describe getting gender dysphoria from doing genderswapped roles is because cis men are really, really bad at playing trans women and usually play those characters as men wearing dresses.
Are you saying Amanda Bynes is trans non-binary?
Agreed, an updated interview would be amazing! And super timely too, it could go a long way to helping cis people who struggle to understand dysphoria empathize a bit more with the trans experience.
@@Sentientmatter8huh? Literally no one is saying that, she got dysphoria from playing a guy, because you know, she is a woman
this is incredible. i cant wait for lily simpson to analyze every trans headcanon i've ever had. fingers crossed for danny fenton next time
Can't wait!
omf I just mentioned this to my roommate last night cause I was talking about fanfics and fandoms and fandom drama and how butch Hartman is little bitch
Yes!!! I need this!!
As a gender non-conforming cis straight woman who watched this last year at age 31, I connected a lot with this movie!
wait wtf does gender non conforming mean if u are conforming to being a woman which is also your born gender
@@lucamagnani5243 gender is a social construct, so if you stray from this construct of gender it means that you are not conforming to gender, hence gender non conforming. you can still identify as your gender matching your sex, ie cisgender at the same time as not conforming to the expectations that people have of your gender. or you can be gender non conforming and feel differently about how gender is relevant to your identity, ie nonbinary or trans. trans people can also be gender conforming or non conforming (a trans woman who sticks to presenting like what society expects women to look like vs a trans woman who prefers to look butch and masculine, like a butch lesbian) it's kind of anything goes in how humans feel about gender
@@lucamagnani5243It means you still identify as the gender you were born as but don't conform to the stereotypes and assumptions that come with the gender you were you with. So for example a gender non conforming man might express themselves more "femininely" than a conforming man and a gender non conforming woman might express themselves more "masculinely" than a conforming woman.
@@lucamagnani5243 Do you know F1nn5ter? That really famous youtuber who crossdresses? He's a cis straight guy, but dresses up and looks like a girl meaning he's also gender nonconforming.
@@HotDogTimeMachine385I can't decide whether Finnster is pretty as a guy or as a girl
Your point about cis people getting dysphoria is why I want a cis person to empathize I always ask them to imagine themselves as the opposite agab but same mental gender rather than vice versa
I use this all the time and recommend telling a masc guy to imagine they were constantly forced to be fem really gets them thinking about things
Not everyone can relate to mental gender.
@@LethalLemonLime wym, you mean “cis by default.” I’ve heard that those people often do have trouble empathizing with trans people despite best efforts, even though they’re only a few steps away
Or if they like to be called to be effminate and youknow tat shit. If that felsgood, now hav everyone treat youlike that .
And it might be a tiiiiny tiiinyyy bit , probably.
I don know, bringing in emasculating in might be actually relatable. Ad then way way worse,you care about feeling th gender you identify, lt others too. something like that .
yeah not even close but a bridge?!
And peope confortable in theirs probaly dont get that, but then thats rarely the people being the problem. Its the insecure ones.
Just that might be a good argument to start a conversation, with that , but all the tim and way worse.
IDK I think there might be more cis people than you imagine that are at least somewhat on the agender spectrum.
Personally I'm agender, and also cis for all intents and purposes, and I'm sorry to tell you that I really can't relate to dysphoria in a very meaningful way.
As a trans man, this film actually set me back a bit. It made me feel like I was lying and I'd get found out eventually, especially since people do confuse me for my brother. I hope it was able to help others, but it didn't help me. Also with the Duke storyline - it made me feel like a guy (I'm bi) couldn't like me as a guy, that I'd need to be a girl for a guy to be into me
10:32 In addition to doing the gender swap, viola is impersonating the real person of Sebastian. I think the walk/strut is more to get a feel for his demeanor rather than a gender thing
Having seen posts by trumeds on how to pass as cis, this is unfortunately not true.
There's a lot of implied exposure of genitals by characters who are underage in the country the film is made/set.
It's just a realistic depiction of school coaches
Viola showed her boobs to prove she was a girl at one part. I wonder if she actually exposed them?
Ahhh, I remember watching this movie on secret on a tablet because I thought it was scandalous in middle school. I was also so sad when Viola had to change back at the end of the movie. Guess who didn't stay cis.
Me too. I knew the ending wasn't going to be "he transitions" or "she turns out to be genderfluid" because that just Didn't Happen in media from that era, but I still enjoyed the "character posing as a boy but also forced to appear at events as a girl" while it lasted.
"gay??? 👀 i'll put it on the board" made me genuinely laugh aloud
7:49 I flew alone to the United States regularly before I was 18 to visit my grandparents, and when I was a teenager there was no scrutiny like there is for younger unaccompanied minors. Air Canada considers passengers 16 and over to be adults for the purpose of travelling, and children over 12 travelling alone are not required to be registered as unaccompanied minors. People aged 12-17 do still have the option of being registered as unaccompanied minors and thus receiving the associated extra level of supervision.
So it is plausible the character could have booked a ticket to England without his parents knowing as long as he could find the money somewhere.
As a trans guy I got hit on quite often in HS one Uni and I think that says a lot about women liking guys who aren’t toxic and actually treat them like people I got hit on because I wasn’t trying to win them over and wasn’t an ass
this but about being an egg transfem who was just being a good person, my friend had a similar experience but ye, same vibe different direction
I was just about to post something similar! I have been out as a trans man for about 13 years now, and I frequently have to deal with women developing crushes on me even though I am gay and not conventionally attractive. Being kind, gentle, and non-objectifying really goes a long way. I like to also think its because I exfoliate and moisturize lol
I met Amanda Bynes when I was in 3rd grade and Nickelodeon took over my school. She was exactly as intense and ridiculous as you'd think, even though she was our age and just barely started as a cast member on All That. She was completely insane. We all loved her.
Isn't she the same who ended up on conservationship like Spear's?
Pretty sure she’s mentally ill.
So cool that you got to meet her in the All That days!!
Reposting my comment from the first upload: As a millenial trans man with an English literature degree, this movie was super important to my egg-hood. Every time I'm nostalgic for it my brain kind of forgets the ending lol. Also the Shakespeare hate is valid. I like a lot of his works but school doesn't usually make him accessible and drives a lot of people away. This was a great video.
The old English needs to be removed. Unless you're performing in theatre, understanding what the characters are saying without having bad teachers 'interpreting' what the characters say will help kids understand what Shakespeare is about.
@@falconeshield It's not even old English. Other writers of the time, such as Marlowe or Heywood, are not as bad. Sure you is thou and other words have different meanings but Shakespeare is a poet and uses a lot of flowery language and poetic structure in his plays, to make them more evocative.
@@falconeshield I agree to a point. Idk about "removed" but I like the No Fear Shakespeare and other such versions that have the original text on one side and the modern English translation on the other.
@@falconeshieldi don't think this is the way. in the uk we get taught shakespeare from about 12 and there are ways of getting around the language (like acting out scenes from the play or using texts that have translations side by side / a glossary on each page. we used to get tasks like 'rewrite this scene with gen z slang etc'). because ultimately shakespeare is extremely fun and cheeky and so often that gets missed out at school. the wordplay is a fundamental part of shakespeare's work and ripping it out to replace with modern english would just suck even more fun out
@@falconeshield I think having a 'translated' or 'modern' version alongside the original could help a lot of kids connect with the stories or characters, but just removing the original version would defeat the point - the language/poetry of Shakespeare is the main reason it's so amazing and enjoyable, and why it's still seen as 'important' 100s of years later. The plots and settings are fun, the characters are interesting and sometimes have depth, but the use of language is at least 90% of what makes those works amazing and worth studying.
Having said that, I don't think kids need to be studying a ton of Shakespeare, I think it's overdone. I loved Shakespeare at school, but most of the kids in class clearly hated it and were dragging themselves through it. I think it's good to watch some high quality, entertaining performances of the more accessible plays, to give kids the opportunity to hear the language in context, and open their minds to how they can understand something that's so far outside what they're used to, and that's so dense with metaphor and texture and lyricism - but they shouldn't have to spend hours analysing it unless they choose to specialise in that direction as they get older.
I cannot stress enough the chokehold this movie, Mulan, the movie Motocrossed, the Lioness Quartet books by Tamora Pierce, and the manga Ouran High School Host Club had on me.
I LOVED stories where a woman has to be a guy. I wanted to put on a guy outfit and go be a guy. Except I hated when she would get discovered and have to be a girl again.
I'm kinda dumb so I didn't realize I could just want to be a guy. Even though I would vocally admit that of I could change genders I would. And that man, if I could be a bisexual dude, life would fucking rule.
Like I said, I'm dumb. I didn't know people could just go do it
lol, you're not dumb. It really doesn't feel intuitive that transitioning is an option, even when looking back it seems so obvious.
Omg same!! There were a bunch of stories I got super fixated on as a kid/teen that boiled down to girls pretending to be boys/something else and I always got so so upset whenever a plot point was them not staying like that for whatever reason
I was this oblivious. I *knew* trans people existed. I was friends with a trans boy even. I loved trans guy stories and "girl forced to crossdress" stories. But I didn't understand gender fluidity or fluctuating dysphoria levels or the idea that not all trans people are binary trans, so I just thought "Well, I'm not like the trans guy I know because I still tolerate or even like being a girl sometimes, so this must be because of my autism or just classic lesbian behaviour of being jealous of straight men every time we fall for straight girls."
Wish the fact that Amanda used a blaccent for Sebastian was addressed more cause, man is it weird 😭
Ugh the info about the amanda bynes experiencing dysphoria for this roll resignates a lot with me. So i managed to convince myself i was cis for a very very long time because i have a much stronger dysphoria for being the opposite gender from my agab as compared to my agab. I know that if i was born as a man i would have so much dysphoria because it spikes when people misgendered me.... because apparently i live in a place that genders people via hair length.... and only hair length. Like i would spiral when people misgendered me. So my discomfort with my agab was less than that of the opposite gender... so therefore my brain concluded cis for a long time. And then i learned about agender and omg what do you mean neither is an option????? I spent decades believing that i couldnt be trans because even though i was having serious doubts about being correctly assigned at birth, i knew i was not a trans man more than i knew i was not a cis woman. Anyhow very easy to believe trans people about how they know what gender they are. I just thought i was a really empethetic cis person. Lols. Nope just an egg with a real tough shell.
I had sort of the same experience of knowing that determining that i'm not a trans man was easier than finding out that i'm not a cis woman either. For years i though i couldn't be trans bc i didn't know there are options outside the binary. I still don't tend to use the trans label for myself bc it feels like i'm faking lol. for clarification: i'm genderqueer
@carolin3692 genderqueer is a great label!! Love it!
I tend to only use a trans label when arguing about trans rights with casual transphobes. And around allies who seem to decide for me that I don't fit under the term trans. And I'm like nah trans is an umbrella term that I'm comfy with, nobody decided on my birth that: eh this one will fluctate wildly between gender apathetic, obnoxiously gender neutral, and a small amount girl. And so in the cases where people outside of me are questioning if I fit under the umbrella term... I'll say trans nonbinary around them. Apparently, stubborn is a personality trait of mine, and preconceived notions about my identity are a hill I'll die on. But otherwise nonbinary is my go to, cause my actual gender I think of like a potion brewed in a cauldren... that I have no control over what goes in. But we have definitely added some flux and sprinkle of girl. Someone threw a black hole in and that really shook things up.
@@katies3733 thank you!! It really is!! :DD Genderqueer feels more free than non-binary and is self-explanatory at the same time. When I was first figuring out I'm not cis I wasn't sure non-binary applied to me (ig imposter syndrome is strong with me lol). I do use non-binary interchangeably by now, mostly bc it's the better known term and non-binary is also an umbrella term. I do prefer genderqueer tho.
(With genderqueer there's unfortunately also the issue with the flag bc it looks so close to the suffragette flag which has been appropriated by terfs and I DO NOT, even by accident, wanna be read as supporting terfs. Even if green and purple are two of my fav colors. But also I'm ace too and the ace and the enby flags are besties so)
Also, you go!!! You sound like you have the best gender vibes fr. And only you can define your gender so fuck anyone who says you aren't trans
For a bit there, Hollywood seemed oddly fixated on making high school movies out of Shakespeare plays. I can think of Ten Things I Hate About You (Taming of the Shrew), O (Othello), Get Over It, and this one, though I'm sure some others happened. I wonder, if they'd continued, where they might have gone. Especially with plays like Titus Andronicus, which would be quite hard to make into a low stakes school environment, with all its bloody violence (though, since we have Heathers already, that wouldn't be too much of a threat, even if Heathers is more of a Hamlet/Macbeth sort of thing).
Now I need to think about how to make every Shakespeare play into a high school setting.
Clueless is based on Jane Austen's Emma, not a Shakespeare play, but the vibe as an adaptation is definitely similar
Now I want a Titus adaptation set in high school (insert joke about cafeteria food here)
Totally agree about the principal, they could have used the character so much better
I was absolutely enamored by this movie as a kid and was so jealous that I didn't have a slightly older brother who I could replace for hijynx reasons. You'll never guess what I discovered 4-5 years later XD
For some fun, American-regional context, people 15 or older can fly unaccompanied. As Sebastian is around 16 or so (I think) if he can buy a plane ticket, get to the airport on time, and show a valid ID to security, he can fly. No parental consent or knowledge needed. Also, I think they state somewhat early that Sebastian is in a pretty popular up-and-coming band and that this gig in London is a really big deal, so I would assume that the band probably makes enough from their prior gigs for Sebastian to buy a plane ticket, if he hasn't been burning through that extra income already.
Also, I quite enjoy this movie. It's a pretty fun, low-stakes comedy.
Also, some of the highschool football team at my highschool genuinely started doing the tampon-nosebleed thing after this movie, and that's rad. lol
Fun fact! There are nasal tampons for extreme nosebleeds! They are awful to live with even if it's only for a few days!
It’s so funny and weird how many early 2000’s movies Just completely forget that bi and gay people exist
Slightly off topic, in a class I was taking focusing on stage presence and monologues we had a unit on Shakespeare. One of the people in class was assigned a monologue Viola does in Twelfth Night. Our instructor had been giving plot synopses enough that we all had context going into it, and halfway though the Twelfth Night synopsis this person just went "OH MY GOD THIS IS "SHE'S THE MAN"" and that was how I as someone that knows Shakespeare better than regular pop culture learned what She's The Man is about.
I left this one on the last upload, but this movie made me feel things I didn't understand until recently. About a month ago I came out as nonbinary to most of my friends and we are all a bunch of LGBT folks so it went well. I love your breakdowns of trans characters in media. Also, this movie made me love All American Rejects.
Congratulations and that’s wonderful you have support
Glad you got this one back uploaded; I didn’t get to it until CZcams had already killed the original upload. On the menstrual products as first aid point, can confirm/back you up. I worked at a summer camp for a few years, and we always had pads in the first aid kits we were given and were told to use that first if a camper ever got a bad cut for the exact reason you identified.
This is also something taught in the Marines. Don't put it IN a wound, but pads and tampons can be taped ON them to help stem bleeding and aid coagulation.
@@veronicafoxx8590 Tampons were originally invented for wounds for soldiers (I believe in either WW1 or 2)
@@axolirvin971 I did not know that!
Not so early this time xD
As a mostly cis woman who's been a tomboy their whole life, this movie resonated with me. I can certainly see why transmascs would connect with it.
Although my female friends recommending this movie to me a few years back highly makes me exactly curious why now 🤨
concerning the gendering of walking patterns there are actually a couple interesting psychological studies, that examine the ability of people to discern gender only by the way a point-walking skeleton is moving. They did research it in form of a spectrum from a very feminine walk to a very masculine walk and found that the more the movement tended to lay in the middle, the less easy it was for people to differentiate, but there were still movements that made a walk look "feminine" or "maskuline".
Also: there is pretty interesting research concerning how near a person lets an avatar get in VR, depending on their own sex and the perceived sex of that avatar (through their walking pattern).
I hope this was understandable, english isn't my first language 😅.
I remember copying my male cousins walk after coming out lmao
I've never seen this movie before but as a transmasc person I can totally see why it resonated with so many other transmascs. For some reason that clip of Seb in the chemistry lab more than anything else really clicked with me
Of course not perfect rep or even really rep at all but there's something about it
I'm gonna veto "[Sebastian] is then forced to prove by pulling his pants down." because if the editing is to be believed then nobody asked him to do that, specifically. He was told "prove it" and could've easily done... not that.
I mean I definitely agree no one asked him specifically to pull his pants down but like. What else does "prove it" in regards to gender even mean?
as afab with horrible nosebleeds I have been There and I can say with full confidence tampons work but at what cost because they Expand, oh god they expand...
Wait, do Kissing Booths actually exist?!
I thought that was just one of those movie things that nobody actually does in real life because why the fuck would you do that?
Something about pressuring teenage girls (she only did it because her mother and the organisation made her to raise money) to kiss boys and men is really weird
not really now but in the like 80s and 90s they we're basically teenager lemonade stands
@@turquoisecrow4513 That's... so disgusting.
Don't think that saying the principal and 'the other axis powers' slipped by, you had me burst out laughing with that one.
When i was a child i was obsessed with "tje boy is actually a gurl pretending to be a boy" stuff
Guess what happend
Try as hard as hard as you want, CZcams. I'm gonna keep watching and commenting on Lily's video.
It never occurred to me before, but "Malvolio" is a great name for a spider.
For some reason, seeing "Malvolio (spider)" appear on the noteboard about 21 minutes in was so frigging hilarious
the first time i saw She's The Man i was only about 8 and i fell asleep before it ended as little kids sometimes do. my fuzzy memory of it made me believe for the longest time that it Was a trans movie, until i looked it up as an adolescent and realised what it was actually about. i will always treasure my imaginary version of this movie, where viola comes out as trans halfway through and gets to date duke anyway.
That reminds me of my first viewing of the TV show Mirror Mirror, where I got the idea that Jo (who was written as a tomboy) was a boy (or AMAB) who ended up wearing a dress. My idea of the show had some quite interesting themes I'm pretty sure the writers didn't intend.
I love She's the Man, its an insane mess of a movie with so many mixed messages. Very excited to hear what you have to say about it!
Hi Lily, im just new to yout channel but I just wanted to say that I personally you are a great inspiration to the LGBT community and to me as well. Im not trans but im struggling to comes to terms with my bisexuality, and watching these videos callout out the blatant transphobia and icons of certain TV shows that others were plaguing my life (looking at you big bang theory) it makes me feel less crazy to listen.
Im sorry for the ramble but i love your videos and ty for the lovely content ❤❤😊
every hard working content creator deserves appreciation and compliments for their efforts and you are no exception. hope more people enjoy this and check out more of your videos. hope your day is great or improves if it needs to and that good things come your way!
I actually loved this movie, but i also had a nonromantic crush on Amanda Bynes. My cousin and I saw this in theaters and we guffawed a lot. It's corny and cliched as hell, but oddly comforting.
Yay! I’m so excited. Btw this reminded me of Now and Then, there’s a character in that film who really resonated with me as being transmasc. Like not even coded. Transmasc characters got conversion therapy via narrative a lot in the 90s. I can’t think of a less controversial way to put it, but I’m sure there must be one.
This took me back. Roberta from Now and Then hit hard when I was 12, because I also got boobs early and hated it. And I remember I hated the part where she stopped taping because a guy came along. Nice to see someone else remembers that character
As a teen this movie hit hard with me, because I was a naturally feminine child but when I got to school, I started having to awkwardly play "man." I never got really good at it and everyone liked that i was feminine anyway. I feel like I'd have to do my own video to go into what 'She's the Man' meant to me, but i dont think i could top the comedic genius of an overly tiny whiteboard connecting everything. I was surprised though, going back to it last year that it was still pleasant nostalgia watch 😊
“Screw you guys, I hate highschool.” Honestly so true.
I appreciate your critique. The arena-field flashing scene was weird as hell when it came out, and it is still weird now. I'm also definitely vicariously rewatching this movie through this video because I tried watching it recently and got 10 minutes in before giving up; I could not deal with it.
The video is so good. I'm glad you were able to get it back up. This movie, along with Motorcrossed and two manga (Hana-Kimi and another I can't remember the name of) all belong to the "girls crossdressing in order to play men's sports" genre that I was obsessed with as a young, transmasc egg.
Mayhaps you were thinking of Ouran High School Host Club for the other manga?
@@aliceramenhead Oran Highschool Host Club was definitely a manga/anime I was obsessed with, but it wasn't the one I was thinking of. The main character crossdressed and joined a men's soccer team so she could play with her idol/crush.
@@ghostoftheashplant1471 I Googled "crossdressing soccer manga" just now and the first thing that came up was Uwasa no Midori-kun!!, a shoujo manga with a Wikipedia summary that took me on a buck wild journey in the 2 minutes it took to read it lmaooo
@@aliceramenhead lmao I think that's it! I read it a long time ago and apparently blocked a lot of the details from my memory. I did remember that she found out the guy she idolized was a jerk but daaaang that was wild. Needless to say, I don't really recommend reading this manga.
As someone who's transmasc, as a kid I really liked genderswap movies, especially ones where girls got to be boys (I wonder why hmmm). It seems as a common occurence to either like them because you feel seen and something resonates in you but you don't know what because you're a kid and you don't have such good understanding of gender and the things that make you uncomfortable yet, or hate them because of the gender envy of how well the characters pass.
I can't wait to see Lily eventually cover a similar movie from the '80s titled _"Just one of the Guys"._
as a trans man who's chosen name is Sebastian, I consider this an absolute win
I absolutely adored this movie growing up (and any Amanda Bynes film, really. She always put a song from The Veronicas in there). It didn't really crack my egg, but certainly planted one of many seeds. Coming back to this movie after realizing I am non-binary added a blanket of warmth around the nostalgia. I'm hoping as time goes on I can see myself represented as human (and not as a robot/alien/anthropomorphic being).
Now I'm wondering how many transmasc or afab enbies also grew up liking She's the Man, Mulan, and Ouran High School Host Club.
I love Mulan so much, it’s one of my favourite movies. My friend who is also non-binary loves OHSHC lmao. I’ve connected a lot to gender non-confirming or androgynous female characters, I even made an agender character when I was 15 who looked exactly like me and my shell didn’t crack until I was an adult 😂
Gotta be dozens of us. Can also throw Ranma 1/2 for just about every trans Or genderfluid person. “Wait, why can’t I just switch bodies super easily?? I wanna!”
@@AmoechickYes. As messy as Ranma1/2 is I loved the idea of being able to switch sex whenever I want :3
Watched this with my friend and he said he'd watch this movie based on how just purely ridiculous it is. Everytime AAR played I cheered cause its both really funny that they choose that band of all the choices and I generally just like their music. It's really funny the principal is David Cross, the man who stole the chipmunks. I guess he had to resort to musical animal abuse after the school principal thing didn't work out.
I didn't know that about Amanda Bynes! It's both horrible and horribly affirming to see what seems to be a bit of evidence that anyone can experience gender dysphoria when forced into a gender identity/role they aren't.
40:05 “Gay…? I’ll put it on the board.” 😂
As a wig wearer, I always love wig based comedy. Even if it’s not great quality comedy 😂
Edit: just my opinion, not saying you’re a bad person if you like this movie. Just not my jam (outside of wigs related to comedy)
Hey I'm glad you were able to turn comments on 👍
That was a fun one to go over! Another drag for plot movies I suggest is Nobody's Perfect, which is one of the rare movies where the protagonist continues to live and dress as the other sex after the movie is over, if only sometimes. It's an interesting ride
Oh I loved this movie. I'm transmasc & as much as it is a cis girl pretending to be a guy, I related heavily to most of what happened in the movie.
When I was still an egg I was super tomboy-ish & would get so mad at boys telling me I couldn't do things & I hated dresses.
I couldn't put my finger on why I liked this movie as a teenager but now it makes a lotta sense 😂
11:55 genuinely don’t put tampons up your nose if you have a nose bleed coz they will expand with the liquid and get stuck
18:37 as a cis woman vagina haver I will say that it’s actually a pretty accurate portrayal of that type of injury. With a soccer ball going at that speed towards your crotch, it wouldn’t be that painful. Probably would have felt about the same as if it hit a few inches higher to their stomach. Obviously the exaggeration of the bit works as comic relief, but I’ve had things slammed into my crotch area (walking into a table edge, getting something tossed towards me) and it doesn’t hurt all that much
100%. As a trans man vagina haver though, I got kicked right up the cooch while sparring and damn!! Ouch!!
Trans man here and I can attest to that. All the nerve endings are, well, inside, so getting hit in the crotch feels like getting hit on any other part of your body, really. Still painful of course, but I imagine it's not nearly as bad as having a soccer ball slammed into something as sensitive and vulnerable as a penis just hanging out between your legs, lmao.
i think it depends on individual pain tolerance. ive hit my crotch on a table corner before and it hurt like hell
@@mossmeow That could definitely be a factor as well :0 I do tend to have a higher pain tolerance in general so that would make sense.
As a trans man vagina haver, I once walked funny for half an hour after getting accidentally hit in my crotch full-force. So it seems pretty individual. Makes me wonder whether there's some ball-haver out there that can just tank hits to their crotch like nothing.
I love seeing you cover a movie that seems to make you happy and that is just such a comfort watch!
I'd love to hear your take on The Fosters, There's a trains character named Aaron Baker, and he appears first in season 4. I don't know if it holds up but I was really surprised by it in highschool.
🚂!!Trains rights!!🚂
Autocorrect gets me on that all the time 😂 🏳️⚧️
I LOVED that storyline, even though it’s not that interesting or remarkable. To see a trans guy played by a trans guy, dating a cis straight woman, felt very rare and invigorating. Again, there’s nothing much to say, he’s kind of a dud of a character but I would say it’s good representation
ok so this video was real and didn't just show up in my dream due to me binging your videos for 2 days, good to know lol
I’m old enough to remember this movie from the 80’s when it was called Just One of the Guys. That movie would completely horrify you.
Fuck the algorithm, this video was great the first time, I'll watch it again
algo boosting comment! this video really brought back some deep memories for me, not even realizing how much women-disguising-as-men media i watched as a kid that i connected to for some reason 🤔
BOOOOOOOOOOOST
Lily saying "dropped dong" might be the highlight of my week
there’s little i like more than an in-depth analysis of a piece of media i never considered at all noteworthy before. great video!
I absolutely adored this movie as a kid. I watched it so many times. So many of the lines are embedded onto my brain permanently. Needless to say, going back to it once I realized I'm transmasc was...an Experience.
I was a young (unknowing) trans girl when I saw this the first time and even I felt a strange connection to the film haha
4:26 this guy sounds like every terf
Thank you very much for making this video. I watched the American 80's movie "Just One Of The Guys" when I was still a transmasc egg and the ending affected me very negatively to the point of some long-term emotional trauma, so having a friendly face to go through stories like this in this format feels like a lot safer way to consume stories that are relevant to my identity and how cis people view it. I have a lot of experience consuming Japanese gender-bending manga and it seems to be consistently better than American stories - I'm guessing because feminine men aren't considered as negatively there as the US does.
I might just be too non-binary for this shit, but I feel like something that a lot of genderbending stories fuck up is that the best possible message they could convey without necessarily being queer is that, fundamentally, there is no equality between men and women (which is what feminism IS) until gendered walls are permanently broken down. When stories end with the male love interest saying "stay a girl forever from now on", not allowing the protagonist to make that decision independently, it feels like it's throwing out the entire message out the fucking window. How to keep it wholesome and to the message is "I would love you or be attracted to you no matter who you are or show yourself as", but some cishet folks just cannot fucking handle that possible arguable bisexuality (regardless of the genitalia) being interpreted as canon. I understand in this film it was moreso a comment on the social confusion in the school, but it still feels like the film's message shitting itself and slipping on it's own shit at last second. Just One Of The Guys did the same thing.
I hope you understand what my point is as I am currently dying in a heatwave (exaggeration). I just feel like people, especially people in the US, are waaaaay too attached to forcing everyone into assigned boxes and never, ever letting them leave it. Gender is bullshit. Make out with who you want, you don't need to stop being attracted to someone just because you thought you were wholly straight or gay.
Irrelevant note, I fucking loved Vinnie Jones in Galavant. That show deserves more attention than it got.
I watched this when it was first uploaded.
I watched it again when it was reuploaded.
Again, when the comments were down.
And now that they're back.
I will do so for any of your videos that CZcams attacks like this so they know that I WANT to see your content and that it deserves support.
I'm so sorry you're going through this kind of crap with CZcams.
This video is great and this movie was my first step towards realizing I wasn't a cis girl as a kid so thank you for this.
(Also, not trans, but definitely a queer allegory, my 'girls are pretty' awakening movie was 'Cadet Kelly')
I think it's hilarious that Channing Tatum plays a tough guy named Duke in two entirely different movies released within three years of each other. This is my new prequel headcanon for G.I.Joe.
I have seen this movie so many times that the moment you showed the intro of the movie and said "early 2000s music" I was humming the exact song in the intro on rhythm with the clips.
My brothers and I quote this film to each other regularly.
As someone that is assigned female at birth and still kinda sorta feels female (genderfluid, aka I don't really care what people refer to me as) and got kicked in the privates by another kid in middle school, thank you for saying that girls can get hurt there too at 18:45. For me, I got in so much pain that I had to be sent to the nurse's office for a bit (and might've been sent home early as well? I don't remember because it was at least a decade ago at this point) and hearing anyone say stuff like "girls can't understand the pain of getting kicked in the groin" is so annoying because I do understand and it hurts alot.
Anyway, great video as always!
There is a tv show written by Jason Seagall which he also stars in, called Dispatches From Elsewhere. A trans woman, Eve Lindsey, plays a major part in it and is even a love interest to Jason Segall’s character. I personally found it to be great and realistic representation of the trans experience and would love to hear you talk about it because I enjoy your analysis so much. Just trying to put it on your radar because it’s a relatively unknown show. It’s only ten episodes and although a bit heady, I think it’s worth talking about.
i watched this video while drawing so wasnt really looking at the visuals and needless to say i was really shocked 40 minutes in when i actually looked at the screen and realized all the times you said football were about soccer... i was totally understanding the girls football team getting axed but now that i realize its soccer it just makes way less sense... at least at my high school soccer was essentially the sport For girls that they played instead of letting them join the regular football team
When our tv wasnt working as a kid i had to watch this movie over and over an over ive probably seen it like 15 times
The transfer student trans student edit was fucking incredible and someone should edit the whole movie like that, it would make it a lot more interesting
ouran high school host club (of course) has a very similar premise, and that was the show/manga that first really started putting cracks in the egg, so to speak. another one, which isnt talked about much but is EVEN MORE similar in plot to She’s the Man is the manga Hana-Kimi. The MC disguises as a boy at an all-boys school to meet her favorite high jumper and also reveals that she is incredibly fast (and so joins the track team also). its problematic throughout (as this movie and OHSHC are) but it still brings me a great amount of comfort
10:37 i relate to this so much... i've listened to so many girl characters (not intended to be trans-coded in any way) voice acted by cis boys and vice versa that my ability to hear a voice and connect it to a gender has been completely decimated
please understand this is GENUINE - I appreciate your effort to break down the complex relationship dynamics from this movie. I watched it as a young person and uhh... yea I was sooooooo confused by so many things in this movie. I have been "gender non-conforming" my whole life and now openly identify as non-binary as of last year as a 40+ year old adult. Thank you for this channel - keep up the incredible work. You make engaging with popular media something I actually want to do (at least while I'm watching your content :)
the whole "you trying to explain the whole romance nightmare" segment had me squinting and rubbing my eyes.
i watched this movie at a sleepover but i was too busy crushing on my friends to realize other things about myself 💔
I haven't seen this movie, but 12th Night was def. one of my gender awakening moments when we performed it in high school. Your breakdown of the movie makes me think they did an good job adapting it from the Shakespeare play to a more relatable story for early 2000s US. or at least a mixture of 12th night and the 1980s film "just one of the guys."